From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #22 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, April 20 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 022 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #36 [Jeffrey Guss ] Re: powerful Joni lyrics ["Mark Angelo" ] Looking for suggestions [Michel BYRNE ] Re: Looking for suggestions ["Lori Fye" ] New Judy cd ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: New Judy cd ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: New Judy cd - correction ["Jerry Notaro" ] Todd & Joni [Bob Muller ] RE: New Judy cd - correction ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: powerful Joni lyrics ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: New Judy cd - correction [Bob Muller ] Re: powerful Joni lyrics [Victor Johnson ] Re: powerful Joni lyrics ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: New Judy cd - correction [Deb Messling ] Joni on Yahoo [David Sapp ] both sides now [Laura Stanley ] Re: Looking for suggestions [Rian Afriadi ] The Windfall (Everythin 4 Nuthin) again [Rian Afriadi ] sjc, a global warming petition that goes straight to the White House! [Pa] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:06:15 -0400 From: Jeffrey Guss Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #36 I will be out of the office from Friday, April 19 through Monday, April 28. I will be able to return messages on Tuesday April 29. Any clinical emergencies will should be addressed to Dr. Chuck Davis, who can be reached at 212-685-0634. Thanks, Jeff Guss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:37:02 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: powerful Joni lyrics Jeannie, Those lyrics "Shine on fertile farmlands buried under subdivisions" are powerful indeed. In fact the whole song is a litany of powerful lyrics, sobering in their truth. That particular line makes me think of the West Valley of Phoenix, formerly almost exclusively agricultural, mainly cotton crops, replaced by endless of suburbs of McMansions for the working classes who aspired to have a taste of what the Joneses had in the East Valley, in more exclusive areas such as Scottsdale. Now, not unsurprisingly, the area recording the greatest number of foreclosures are those same subdivisions build over farmlands which were considered the least desirable and the last to be developed and sold to the unwitting "cell phone zombies". That is what I envision when I hear the lyrics on a local level, but it is a sad national phenomena. I wonder how much of the original forested area in the Eastern United states is still left. It can't be much. Europe has practically none left, and my memories of flying over Holland and England are "geometric farms" with a few trees sometimes demarcating the boundaries. I wonder if those are remnants of aboriginal forests or lucky "weeds" that escaped the blade. Another line among the many that stand out for me is "Shine on what we throw away, and what we keep". In this "land of mass frustration" we are indoctrinated by ad empires to be good little consumers and the fact is that we throw away 99 percent of what we buy within 6 months. Every bit of plastic every produced (except the 3 percent incinerated) is still among us, or within us as broken down polymers. There are gyres of plastic in all of the oceans, in the Pacific it is estimated at twice the size of the continental United States. Anyways, what all the potent lyrics (and every one of them is) in the song "Shine" seem to me to have in common is the sense of consequence. And that is how I make sense of the ending lyrics: "Shine on the pioneers Those seekers of mental health Craving simplicity They traveled inward Past themselves..." where IMHO she speaks of today's true pioneers as seeking refuge by doing things to simplify their lives, such as turning off the mesmerizing drone of the TeeVee and it's distractions from the reality and worry of consequence of a continual bombardment of fateful symptoms of a world we have poisoned, which shows no sign of abating, and which each of us on an individual level has in reality little to no control over. It's like the book and the term coined from it, Future Shock, popularized in the 1970's in which the futurist Alvin Toffler warned of the inability of the individual's to take in and absorb the accelerating rate of change in society due to (formerly) cheap oil and the exponential technological and industrial "breakthroughs" that would accompany it. Many of the ills that plague us and stress us and send us scrambling for pills or therapy are simply products of a world that has evolved (in many ways for the worse) faster than the human brain can manage. Do we really need to be strolling down "miles of aisles" of supermarkets with 500 different types of cereal, or ketchup, or (fill in the blank). Less is more. Consumption, although awarded by this society, does not bring happiness. Nurturing yourself, a plant, your cat, or something of your choosing can. Mark in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:09:14 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Looking for suggestions Although not a great fan of early Joni, if you're looking for upbeat I'd include some wonderful 'fun' songs from that period: Night in the City, Chelsea Morning, Carey. You could check out the Canadian compilation (Songs of a prairie Girl) for some effective combos: the setting together of Urge for Going and Tea-Leaf Prophecy ('She says she's leaving now but she dont go') is inspired. I'd also include Hanna - uplifting, even amusing, but brilliantly crafted lyrics that stay with you and gain impact with every listening. Have fun! _________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the next generation of Windows Live http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:42:25 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions > What I'm looking for is a few suggestions for song combinations (doubles > or triples) of songs that folks think are good combos. > want some fun Joni too. Not all are doubles, but here are my suggestions for "fun" Joni: Big Yellow Taxi Woodstock You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio The Circle Game from "Miles of Aisles" including pre-song banter Twisted God Must Be a Boogie Man The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines You're So Square Baby I Don't Care Underneath the Streetlight Good Friends Smokin' (Empty, Try Another) Shiny Toys Lucky Girl Let us know how it goes! Lori Santa Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: New Judy cd Just got the very good news from Greg Dexter of the Judy Collins list that Judy is preparing an all Judy cd for her next cd. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:52:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: New Judy cd Jerry Notaro wrote: > Just got the very good news from Greg Dexter of the Judy Collins list that > Judy is preparing an all Judy cd for her next cd. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: New Judy cd - correction Too excited so typed the wrong name. Make that an all *Joni* cd. Jerry Notaro wrote: > Just got the very good news from Greg Dexter of the Judy Collins list that > Judy is preparing an all Judy cd for her next cd. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Todd & Joni So I just back from a nice run, still buzzing from seeing Todd Rundgren last night, and I remembered this great radio show that Simon shared with us way back when. It was from his show "The Difference" and this episode features some Turbulent Indigo clips and an interview with Joni. http://download.yousendit.com/8EEED8983AC8BD5D Bob NP: Rickie Lee Jones, "Howard" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:56:53 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: New Judy cd - correction This is welcome news, indeed. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 1:54 PM To: Jerry Notaro Cc: jon i Subject: Re: New Judy cd - correction Too excited so typed the wrong name. Make that an all *Joni* cd. Jerry Notaro wrote: > Just got the very good news from Greg Dexter of the Judy Collins list that > Judy is preparing an all Judy cd for her next cd. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:11:29 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: powerful Joni lyrics Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:04:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: powerful Joni lyrics The lyrics that hit me one evening last week like a ton of truth and bricks were: "Fertile farmlands buried under sub-divisions" ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************** For those interested, an Ottawa Citizen Special Article appears today penned James Howard Kunstler, *Farewell to Suburbia, *that addresses these subdivisions with their McMansions which have become the norm in this land where TBTB never seem to learn to "shine on good earth, good air, good water" instead of trying to make a quick buck which further poisons our own home, makes for an interesting read. http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=7c4c8ea9-ad1f-48a7-b4dd-515a63372c88 Thanks once again to The Oil Drum ( http://www.theoildrum.com/ ) for the link. Mark in Florida. ****************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: New Judy cd - correction Aha! One word makes ALL the difference! Nice scoop. Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Ngiculela - Es Una Historia - I Am Singing" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:18:19 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: powerful Joni lyrics On Apr 19, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Mark Angelo wrote: > > > The lyrics that hit me one evening last week like a ton of truth > and bricks > were: > > "Fertile farmlands buried under sub-divisions" "They say they gave me compensation... That's not what I'm chasing. I was a rich man before yesterday. And what do I want with a million dollars and a pickup truck? When I left my farm under the freeway. " Farm on the Freeway - Jethro Tull ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:37:10 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: powerful Joni lyrics Very telling lyrics, which speak to essentially the same sentiment which Joni expresses in the song Shine from the eponymous album. "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got til it's gone?" - I suppose that catches it all in a broader sense. Strong and wrong You lose everything Without the heart You need To hear a robin sing Where have all the songbirds gone? Gone! (Shine) These pyrrhic and ephemeral victories... On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: > > On Apr 19, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Mark Angelo wrote: > > > > > > > The lyrics that hit me one evening last week like a ton of truth and > > bricks > > were: > > > > "Fertile farmlands buried under sub-divisions" > > > > > "They say they gave me compensation... > That's not what I'm chasing. I was a rich man before yesterday. > And what do I want with a million dollars and a pickup truck? > When I left my farm under the freeway. " Farm on the Freeway - Jethro Tull ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:57:50 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: New Judy cd - correction Wow! While all-Judy would be welcome too, this is indeed exiting news. At 01:53 PM 4/19/2008, you wrote: >Too excited so typed the wrong name. Make that an all *Joni* cd. > >Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Just got the very good news from Greg Dexter of the Judy Collins list that > > Judy is preparing an all Judy cd for her next cd. > > > > Jerry - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:02:53 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Joni on Yahoo I love the Joni tracks on the Yahoo live sets. Herbie and his band may be the best band that Joni has ever performed with... a wonderful cushion for her vocal. River is my favorite cut... anyway has anyone been able to extract the audio or video? I know such things can be done but not by me. So if anyone has done this would you like to share? ... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: both sides now Hi Ya'll, I sang and played guitar at a friend's mother's funeral today, and Betty played flute so I was thinking of the 2004 fest when she came with me. We only did hymns for the funeral, but afterwards, a man came up to me and told me when he heard me sing he thought to himself, I bet she could really sing both sides now good. So I promised I'd sing it for him sometime. He didn't know I love Joni like I do so the association of me with the song made me high. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:13:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions Upbeat mode? Let's not forget In France They Kiss On Main Street from S&L. Rian who thinks IFTKOMS (S&L) is Joni's best live-song. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:28:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: The Windfall (Everythin 4 Nuthin) again I'm glad I posted that Windfall topic, now I know the maid incident. Anyway, I'm curious about what Joni feels now about that incident, i highlight the word "now". I mean, of course we all have things like "Oh Dear, that thing, what was I thinking at that time?", and then we laugh at incidents that we took so seriously then but feel so funny now. I just had that moment. 2 months ago, I (a 165 cm tall guy - short for your standard, but normal for Asian) punched a friend (a 180 cm tall beefy guy) straight in his face because he told me things that was so stupid/funny if i think about it again right now. Of course now we're doing fine. I'm just curious if Joni was still mad or not about that incident... Rian NP. Madonna feat Justin - 4 Minutes (urgh... urban sound is not my cup of coffee) PS. Sorry for the grammar mistakes... My english doesn't work so well this morning. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:31:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Happiness Is A Warm Credit Card All the discussion about maids, cars, everything for nothing, Bel Air home leads to another question : How rich is Joni Mitchell? Rian PS. I know this question will make some of you "yuck, stupid question" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:18:20 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: sjc, a global warming petition that goes straight to the White House! Yesterday I got a message from Sen. Barbara Boxer, who is Chair of the Senate Committee on the Environment and Public Works (EPW). She is "passionate in her belief that healthy kids require a healthy planet." (TIC! A safe place for kids to play.) Here is part of her message: "On Wednesday, President Bush delivered what was billed as a major speech on global warming. What a disaster! Rather than staking out a set of ambitious goals for America to strive for, the President argued that the United States should do nothing about global warming until 2025. I can't believe he said it with a straight face. That's completely irresponsible -- and President Bush needs to hear it. Sign my petition to President Bush now -- tell him to stand up and join the fight to stop global warming!" http://ga6.org/campaign/bush_gw/iws77i74o7new7kn??source=bushgw I'll bet Joni would sign it if she used a computer! ; ) If you do sign it, don't freak out (like I did last night!) when you immediately get a message back from the White House: ***** From: comments@whitehouse.gov To: loveuconn@hotmail.com On behalf of President Bush, thank you for your correspondence. We appreciate hearing your views and welcome your suggestions. Due to the large volume of e-mail received, the White House cannot respond to every message. Thank you again for taking the time to write. ***** Aim the hoses on him and flood him w/ our message! He's so square, babies -- he don't care -- but tell him anyway. And in a cool bit of synchronicity, I was just catching up on my newspaper reading (putting Girls Like Us aside for a moment) and learned that there was a big conference at Yale Friday afternoon. "Yale University's 2008 Conference of Governors on Climate Change", where "governors and officials from several states" signed "a declaration calling on the federal government to get moving on climate change" at WOOLSEY HALL. The first place I saw Joni! (This means something to me in the Jonidiomatic logic that goes on in my head.) For anyone interested, the article is here: http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-global0419.artapr19,0,1230309.story Good to know that people are getting together ("Come on people, now...") to DO something. Hope springs eternal. Love, Patti P. NPOMTV: Sweet Melissa. The Allman Brothers at the Beacon Theater in 2003, on CPTV (my local PBS station). They claim they are the only PBS station playing this tonight...do you think this can be real? _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. 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