From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #18 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 16 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 018 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #31 [Paul Ingles ] The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion [Rian Afriadi ] Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion ["Cassy" ] A digital music tragedy [MattJones ] Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Bob's Encyclopedia of Joni [Patti Parlette ] Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) [] Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) [Bob Muller ] Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) ["Mark Scott" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #31 Tuesday Night on KALW 91.7 in San Francisco 9pm The Emergence of Joni Mitchell b Produced and hosted by Paul Ingles, this two-hour examination of one of the most heralded songwriters of our time mixes Joni Mitchell's music with informed commentary from musicians, fans, music critics, and archival interviews with Mitchell herself. Paul Ingles Independent Producer www.paulingles.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion i have a feeling that none ever mentioned The Windfall (everything for nothing) on the list. So, let me bring the song here. What is your opinion about the song? The lyric, the music, the intro (where Joni sounded so girlie but then started the song with a very low note)... Is this song one of Joni's weakest song? My opinion: Not my favorite. In fact, i hate the "youwantyouwantyouwant". Lyrically, the song would fit CMIARS better. And, yes, i think this is one of Joni's weakest song. Tell me yours... Rian NP. Yoko Ono - Death of Samantha ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:18:48 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #31 Are they online? I'd love to hear it if they are!!! Much Joni Jamie Zooby On 15/04/2008, Paul Ingles wrote: > Tuesday Night on KALW 91.7 in San Francisco > > 9pm The Emergence of Joni Mitchell b Produced and hosted by Paul > Ingles, this two-hour examination of one of the most heralded songwriters > of our time mixes Joni Mitchell's music with informed commentary from > musicians, fans, music critics, and archival interviews with Mitchell > herself. > > Paul Ingles > Independent Producer > www.paulingles.com > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:24:15 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Oh golly, I hate this song. A rich woman writing a protest song about the maid. It's like a bad parody. At 08:12 AM 4/15/2008, you wrote: >i have a feeling that none ever mentioned The Windfall (everything >for nothing) on the list. So, let me bring the song here. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:23:58 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Back in the 80's when Joni was being taken to court by this that and the other for whatever reason, her Guatemalan maid was sneaking off on holiday when she said she was going home to her parents. They had an argument, they fell out, the maid painted her piano brown so Joni kicked her in the shins. The maid sued, Joni counter-sued. They settled out of court. I guess she couldn't write about it or publish it until it was settled. At first I thought this song was about Larry Klein!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL But I guess this makes sense. I think I've got the chronology right. Whether it's the same maid that she kicked in the shins as the one the painted her piano brown.... I guess the intro is referring to Elvis buying cars for his hired staff... Much Joni Jamie Zooby On 15/04/2008, Rian Afriadi wrote: > i have a feeling that none ever mentioned The Windfall (everything for nothing) on the list. So, let me bring the song here. > > What is your opinion about the song? The lyric, the music, the intro (where Joni sounded so girlie but then started the song with a very low note)... > Is this song one of Joni's weakest song? > > My opinion: > Not my favorite. In fact, i hate the "youwantyouwantyouwant". Lyrically, the song would fit CMIARS better. And, yes, i think this is one of Joni's weakest song. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:29:53 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Have to agree with Deb. Joni should have buried this one after getting rid of her rage. Jerry > Oh golly, I hate this song. A rich woman writing a protest song > about the maid. It's like a bad parody. > > > At 08:12 AM 4/15/2008, you wrote: >> i have a feeling that none ever mentioned The Windfall (everything >> for nothing) on the list. So, let me bring the song here. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:43:16 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion yeah... I think she made it universal enough in the lyric but when it's in the news and in interviews... you kinda know that this song is in direct reference to this incident... really... she shoulda stayed schtum. Unless she wanted it aired to say her side of the story... I guess that's why I thought it was about Larry being lazy and not doing much 'husbanding'. ;-) Zooby On 15/04/2008, Jerry Notaro wrote: > Have to agree with Deb. Joni should have buried this one after getting rid > of her rage. > > Jerry > > > > > Oh golly, I hate this song. A rich woman writing a protest song > > about the maid. It's like a bad parody. > > > > > > At 08:12 AM 4/15/2008, you wrote: > >> i have a feeling that none ever mentioned The Windfall (everything > >> for nothing) on the list. So, let me bring the song here. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Deb Messling -^..^- > > dlmessling@rcn.com > > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:00:25 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion YUCK, YUCK, and a half a YUCK! Jimmy ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:14:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion I have to say, I'm a little fascinated by the maid painting the piano brown thing. That's so crazy that its almost brilliant. Just that one thing deserves a song, or a painting. But a good one! It deserves a "Guernica", lol!! Never heard the song you all are referring to....those are waters I'm not even tempted to wade. :) Em I have a Sportster ON PURPOSE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Can anyone please direct me to more detailed info re: the piano painting incident??? I've become fascinated, suddenly, by this. thanks! Em - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > But I guess this makes sense. I think I've got the chronology right. > Whether it's the same maid that she kicked in the shins as the one > the > painted her piano brown.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:22:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion It's like when someone makes you SO mad you write a letter or an email to vent your anger - and then you destroy it instead of sending it. Joni shouldn't have clicked send on this one. "you'd eat your young alive, for a Jaguar in the drive"...talk about weak lyrics. Bob NP: Joni, "Tea Leaf Prophecy" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:29:00 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion It's from an interview that I read somewhere... it must be on jm.com perhaps search for the words 'painted piano brown' and it will give you several articles, possibly. I'm not sure if they are related though, my Joni-Trivia isn't as good as it used to be! Much Joni Jamie Zooby On 15/04/2008, Em wrote: > Can anyone please direct me to more detailed info re: the piano > painting incident??? > I've become fascinated, suddenly, by this. > thanks! > Em > > --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > > > But I guess this makes sense. I think I've got the chronology right. > > Whether it's the same maid that she kicked in the shins as the one > > the > > painted her piano brown.... > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:41:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion found this: http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1368 heck of an interview.. - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > It's from an interview that I read somewhere... it must be on jm.com > perhaps search for the words 'painted piano brown' and it will give > you several articles, possibly. I'm not sure if they are related > though, my Joni-Trivia isn't as good as it used to be! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:50:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Thanks for the link to the article. Interesting that the maid painted Joni's piano brown. I can understand Joni's anger in that though. If anyone even touched my guitar without permission, they'd be in for it. I don't think I'd kick anyone, as my track record has no hitting or kicking of any kind since I was a child (and then only my brother who always attacked me first), but I'd definitely be pissed off enough to give 'em a good dose of verbal abuse...and of course this person would need to get me a new guitar. Of course I don't like anyone touching (aka moving) any of my stuff (mild case of OCD) and I ALWAYS know when someone does. So in Joni's defense I can understand her anger at that. Although I would agree with most who say it should not have been a song. -M Em wrote: found this: http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1368 heck of an interview.. - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > It's from an interview that I read somewhere... it must be on jm.com > perhaps search for the words 'painted piano brown' and it will give > you several articles, possibly. I'm not sure if they are related > though, my Joni-Trivia isn't as good as it used to be! between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion oh I can totally understand it too! But what a weird thing to do, right? Its like something a child would do. Almost innocent. ALtho I'm certain from the bit I've read that the maid was far from innocent. But I just wonder how it occured to her to do that particular thing. What would be the thought process by which one would arrive at the decision to paint the piano brown. Its like something someone seriously on drugs would do. Or someone completely child-like. Would be funny if Joni had a "Cato" like in the The Pink Panther flicks - - she'd come home and the Cato would, say, jump out of the shadows onto her.... an imp-like servant. anyway.... - --- Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Thanks for the link to the article. Interesting that the maid > painted Joni's piano brown. I can understand Joni's anger in that > though. If anyone even touched my guitar without permission, they'd > be in for it. I don't think I'd kick anyone, as my track record has > no hitting or kicking of any kind since I was a child (and then only > my brother who always attacked me first), but I'd definitely be > pissed off enough to give 'em a good dose of verbal abuse...and of > course this person would need to get me a new guitar. Of course I > don't like anyone touching (aka moving) any of my stuff (mild case of > OCD) and I ALWAYS know when someone does. > So in Joni's defense I can understand her anger at that. > Although I would agree with most who say it should not have been a > song. > -M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Yes indeed, very strange and childish! But perhaps there was some reasoning in it. Here's what I speculate. Perhaps the maid wanted to really piss off Joni for whatever reason. So how do you piss off a musician, any musician really the most? Tamper with their equipment! Now the maid probably didn't want to actually sabotage or smash up any of Joni's music gear because she maybe thought she'd get in actual trouble for something like that. So what does she do? Paint the piano! Why brown? How did she come up with that idea? I don't know. But maybe she thought she'd piss Joni off a good deal, get fired of course, but that would have been the end of it since surely a woman of that amount of wealth could easily get a new piano or paint it back. So almost innocent indeed but of course it didn't end just there. -M, who thinks it is funny we are discussing Joni's maid! LOL. Em wrote: oh I can totally understand it too! But what a weird thing to do, right? Its like something a child would do. Almost innocent. ALtho I'm certain from the bit I've read that the maid was far from innocent. But I just wonder how it occured to her to do that particular thing. What would be the thought process by which one would arrive at the decision to paint the piano brown. Its like something someone seriously on drugs would do. Or someone completely child-like. Would be funny if Joni had a "Cato" like in the The Pink Panther flicks - - she'd come home and the Cato would, say, jump out of the shadows onto her.... an imp-like servant. anyway.... between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:38:33 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Maybe the maid was familiar with I had a king (who painted the pastell walls brown). Maybe Joni doesn't like that colour, and the maid knew it. - - I also cringed when I first heard that song, and I usually skip it. Joni seems to be so strangely unaware of social issues within her immediate environment. I can understand her anger at the maid's behaviour but I don't understand why Joni can't see the maid's point. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 15 april 2008 17:06 Till: Joni people!; Em Dmne: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Yes indeed, very strange and childish! But perhaps there was some reasoning in it. Here's what I speculate. Perhaps the maid wanted to really piss off Joni for whatever reason. So how do you piss off a musician, any musician really the most? Tamper with their equipment! Now the maid probably didn't want to actually sabotage or smash up any of Joni's music gear because she maybe thought she'd get in actual trouble for something like that. So what does she do? Paint the piano! Why brown? How did she come up with that idea? I don't know. But maybe she thought she'd piss Joni off a good deal, get fired of course, but that would have been the end of it since surely a woman of that amount of wealth could easily get a new piano or paint it back. So almost innocent indeed but of course it didn't end just there. -M, who thinks it is funny we are discussing Joni's maid! LOL. Em wrote: oh I can totally understand it too! But what a weird thing to do, right? Its like something a child would do. Almost innocent. ALtho I'm certain from the bit I've read that the maid was far from innocent. But I just wonder how it occured to her to do that particular thing. What would be the thought process by which one would arrive at the decision to paint the piano brown. Its like something someone seriously on drugs would do. Or someone completely child-like. Would be funny if Joni had a "Cato" like in the The Pink Panther flicks - - she'd come home and the Cato would, say, jump out of the shadows onto her.... an imp-like servant. anyway.... between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:46:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Night Ride Home locus I had the same cringe as you Kakki. I wasn't sure about Hawaii's beaches being public the way they are here. A very wealthy (by divorce) woman moved to SB (home of many wealthy ones) from elsewhere & tried by law to keep people off her 'beach'. Took a lot of heat for that but she's gone on to be quite a villainess in many other ways. Speaking of the Hawaiian cowboys, some local SB filmmakers have created a number of dvds about the early cowboy days in California & Nevada (Vaqueros) & their latest is about Hawaii (Holo Holo Paniolo) which is about the Vaqueros going over to Hawaii & bringing guitars. The Vaqueros were part of California before it was part of the USA & so most of the influence was from Mexico but they had many Spanish Barbs (horses) so perhaps many of them were also Portuguese. Also I think the line "we love the open road' refers to a more general idea- open road meaning getting out & seeing the sights kind of driving. Combined with 'I love the man beside me' it isn't so specific to Hawaii but Hawaii is part of it. Kate Kakki >Thanks for posting the bit of the interview. Pretty amusing, although I cringed a bit with Joni talking paying for their "private beach." There are no "private beaches" in the islands of Hawaii. They are all public under the law and people even have the right to walk through someone's private yard to get to them. There are lots of ranches in the islands an a long cowboy (called paniolas in Hawaii) tradition going way back. I recall that most of the original paniolas were Portuguese and they brought the guitar into the Hawaiian music.< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:29:56 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" <<< So what does she do? Paint the piano! Why brown? How did she come up with that idea? >>> Perhaps the maid was a Joni fan after all and knew from listening to "I Had a King" that painting it brown would really hit a nerve? I will write separately regarding what I think of The Windfall. Cassy NP Big Head Todd and the Monsters - Groove Thing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:49:23 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #31 Looks like you can stream it here, but it's a 5 hour stream, starting with 2 hours of Paul Simon, then the Joni show. (You can become a member for $20 to overcome this arrangement) http://musicsojourn.com/POD/Prog/PI/index.htm There's also an 8:30 min sampler of the show (Mp3): http://www.paulingles.com/media/JoniMitchellSampler.mp3 Mr. Ingles interviewed some jmdl notables for his show; Ashara, listmaster Les, Sue McNamara Splash page for the show: http://www.paulingles.com/mitchell.html RR > Are they online? I'd love to hear it if they are!!! > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zooby > > On 15/04/2008, Paul Ingles wrote: >> Tuesday Night on KALW 91.7 in San Francisco >> >> 9pm The Emergence of Joni Mitchell b Produced and hosted by Paul >> Ingles, this two-hour examination of one of the most heralded songwriters ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:02:17 -0700 (PDT) From: MattJones Subject: A digital music tragedy This is a call for help from any kind souls on the list who might be able to help me. I recently lost my ENTIRE digital music library due to a computer crash. I've taken my external harddrive to some computer-savvy folks, and they tell me it's impossible to retrieve any of the files. While most of my collection was backed up on CDs, a number of live things were not. Specifically, I lost the Joni @ the Gene Autry Theater show and several bootlegs from the 70s. If anyone has these posted on yousendit or some other such site where I could re-download them or can direct me to a source from which I might retrieve some of my lost collection, please let me know. - --Matt J ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:40:00 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) > I will probably go back and read the Carole King portions but will > probably not ever get around to the Carly stuff as I was never much of a > fan. > Bob, I'm surprised that you wouldn't bother to read the Carly stuff. I've often read music-related books or articles about people I wasn't a huge fan of, and almost always find references within the context about people who I AM interested in. There are so many "degrees of separation" out there. Kenny B ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:53:02 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Re: Bob's Encyclopedia of Joni Notre ami Kenny B (that rhymes! ha ha....in some office sits a poet) wrote: "Bob, your knowledge of all-things-Joni (and you're ability to seemingly find these things so easily) never ceases to amaze me. If they ever have a Jeopardy tournament with all Joni-related categories, I'd bet on you to win." **** Moi, aussi! Or if "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" had a Joni game, he would definitely be numero uno on my "call a friend" list. Don't you get three "call a friends" or whatever? (Actually though, by virtue of his initials, he should be #2, as he said himself!) But then again, you could call anyone on this list who could be sitting in front of his/her computer and, thanks to Les & JMDL.com & CO, we'd get the answer. (TIC! "She knows the answer....) A Joni Jeopardy game would be so fun! "Make it a true daily double-decker bus, Alex!" "I'll bet three thousand dollars -- you should have seen it fly away!" "Eighteen bucks went up in smoke. Fleece me with the gamblers flocks, Alex!" (He'd be rolling his eyes and twirling his finger next to his head, saying: "Man, this chick is twisted!") And then when he interviews us in the beginning, we could all tell our little Joni stories. (Love is a story told.) Alex: "Bob, I hear you have an interesting little hobby relating to Joni Mitchell....." Alex: "Kakki-Lesli, apparently you were one of the last two-heads-are-better-than-one to see Joni perform live. Can you tell us how that came about?" Alex: "Dave, I hear you and your wife play....." Alex: "Cassy, it says here that you have a license plate that says WHAT?" Interesting group we have here today, folks! And we'll be back, right after this brief message..... Now you hear Joni's voice, singing: And so we ask you please Can we help you find the peace and the star...... http://pol.moveon.org/sixmonths/?campaign_id=90&rc=homepage Oh my friend We have all come To fear the beating of your drum.... Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back upuse SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:08:09 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) ALL, i hate the book. They talked to CK, they talked to CS. They didn'tinterview Joni. How can they suggest that the things they repot are true and accurate. I hate books like this. Brian (delurking because I'm so upset about this) - ---- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > > I will probably go back and read the Carole King portions but will > > probably not ever get around to the Carly stuff as I was never much of a > > fan. > > > > Bob, I'm surprised that you wouldn't bother to read the Carly stuff. > I've often read music-related books or articles about people I wasn't a huge fan > of, and almost always find references within the context about people who I AM > interested in. There are so many "degrees of separation" out there. > > Kenny B > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL > Money & Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) She probably turned the author down, don't you think? < How can they suggest that the things they report are true and accurate. > I would wager to say that they are MORE accurate. If you were to ask me about my childhood, or school years, or career, or whatever, it would most likely be personally biased to show myself in the best light, don't you think? Whereas if you talked to people who grew up with me, went to school with me, dated me, whatever, you'd probably get facts closer to the truth. I don't think Joni is any exception to this rule of human nature. Sorry you hate the book - I find it a pleasant change from the other bios I read that just gloss over things. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Glamour Profession" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:52:45 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion - ----- Original Message ----- From: > "you'd eat your young alive, for a Jaguar in the drive"...talk about > weak > lyrics. > Oh I love that lyric! As a generalized attack on greed, I think the song is brilliant! But I do agree that as a personal venting of Joni's spleen it is at best, tacky. When I first heard it, I didn't know anything about the housekeeper story and I thought she was quoting someone else in the first verse and that it was supposed to be envious talk about Joni herself. But then the 'you live here *like* a star' and the 'rent-free suite' lines wouldn't really make much sense would they? But I do get a big kick out of the 'eat your young alive' line. I guess I see it more as satirical or something. It goes over the top to make a point. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:27:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) Right. We all tend to stack the deck when it comes to our past. That's not even mentioning the fact that there may be events in your life you forgot or things that are embarrassing. I'm sure that applies to Joni. I know personally I'd never talk about certain things in my past (oh you know, that one felony and all) or I may not remember them correctly. It really is sort of funny when you meet up with someone from your past (a friend or whatever) and he/she tells you all these stories of things you guys did together that you don't remember or that only vaguely ring a bell. Then you're like, "I did that?!?!!?!" Once again, I'm sure Joni applies. She is human afterall. -M Bob Muller wrote: I would wager to say that they are MORE accurate. If you were to ask me about my childhood, or school years, or career, or whatever, it would most likely be personally biased to show myself in the best light, don't you think? Whereas if you talked to people who grew up with me, went to school with me, dated me, whatever, you'd probably get facts closer to the truth. I don't think Joni is any exception to this rule of human nature. Sorry you hate the book - I find it a pleasant change from the other bios I read that just gloss over things. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Glamour Profession" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:02:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion I had a maid in a Bel Air castle. Lately she's taken to painting my piano brown. :~} K Em> But I just wonder how it occured to her to do that particular thing. What would be the thought process by which one would arrive at the decision to paint the piano brown.< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:38:17 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) It is right there in the author's preface: Carly Simon cooperated to the extent that even Weller was embarrassed by her candor; Carole King cooperated & then tried to change her mind, and Joni said she didn't want to be in a book with the other two women. That's Roberta Joan for ya. It's a very readable, interesting book. I recommend it, even though it is occasionally flawed. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:52 PM To: bworkman@woh.rr.com; PassScribe@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) She probably turned the author down, don't you think? < How can they suggest that the things they report are true and accurate. > I would wager to say that they are MORE accurate. If you were to ask me about my childhood, or school years, or career, or whatever, it would most likely be personally biased to show myself in the best light, don't you think? Whereas if you talked to people who grew up with me, went to school with me, dated me, whatever, you'd probably get facts closer to the truth. I don't think Joni is any exception to this rule of human nature. Sorry you hate the book - I find it a pleasant change from the other bios I read that just gloss over things. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Glamour Profession" ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:23:01 -0700 From: Subject: Night Ride Home locus (no real jc) Hi Kate, I think Hawaii's law is even stronger than California's law. I think there are a few situations where people can still have a private beach in California but this is in a very few communities that were that way before the law. There is one such community near my parents' house. You can still get to their beach but big "No Trepassing" signs will greet you. It's funny because I was down by there over the weekend and thought "hmmm, bet I could just keep walking on the sand onto "their" beach." ;-) I think ultimately their signs don't mean much. Now does the wealthy lady who moved to SB have the first name of Wendy? Heehee. I have heard a lot about her but this is a new one for me! Yeesch! If I had that kind of money I would just paint to my heart's content, generously support local causes, have lots of big parties at my estate and strive to be happy! I would love to have a link to the SB filmakers DVDs about the Cal/Nev/Hawaii cowboys! Please send if you have it. A friend here has a Portuguese graqndmother who was born on Kauai. My friend has never traveled there but it turned out that I had in my photos shots of the very land where her grandmother grew up. She got teared up when she saw the photos. Hawaii has an endlessly rich and fascinating history. It is still and always my favorite place. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:08:26 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Flynn" > It is right there in the author's preface: Carly Simon cooperated > to the > extent that even Weller was embarrassed by her candor; Carole King > cooperated & then tried to change her mind, and Joni said she didn't > want to > be in a book with the other two women. > > That's Roberta Joan for ya. It certainly is. Exactly what I would expect from her. In fact, I seem to remember an interview where Joni said 'these women are not my peers' with reference to at least Carly Simon (I don't remember if she mentioned Carole King or not). And Muller, I don't understand why you wouldn't read the Carly section. Seems to me with the James Taylor connection there would be some of it that would at least be tangential to the Joni material. Whatever. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:17:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Night Ride Home locus (no real jc) Kakki>Now does the wealthy lady who moved to SB have the first name of Wendy? Heehee. I have heard a lot about her but this is a new one for me! Yeesch! If I had that kind of money I would just paint to my heart's content, generously support local causes, have lots of big parties at my estate and strive to be happy! I would love to have a link to the SB filmakers DVDs about the Cal/Nev/Hawaii cowboys! Please send if you have it. < Aloha Kakki, My how bad news travels :~}, yes her name is Wendy. She has ruined so many lives with her money & continues to do so. SB's own Leona Helmsley. The beach thing was her first way of introducing herself to the community. She tried to sue to keep the people off her beach. It is so sad- with that kind of money you could help so many people yet she is doing the opposite. The link to the film is here http://www.tapadero.com/html/paniolo/pan1.html The film about Hawaii seemed like it needed some more editing but enjoy it for what it is (Tapadero is much better). I visited one of those ranches filmed in Holo Holo when I was staying in upcountry Maui last Thanksgiving. Kate ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #18 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe