From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #17 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 15 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 017 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Night Ride Home locus [Dave Blackburn ] Girls Like Us ["James Leahy" ] Re: Girls Like Us [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Night Ride Home locus ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: lyrics that suck , neil young edition ["Dan Olson" ] Re: Lyrics that suck (and don't) [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Bob's Encyclopedia of Joni [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Girls Like Us [Deb Messling ] Night Ride Home locus [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:17:37 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Night Ride Home locus Thanks Bob. That was more thorough than the question deserved! I'm surprised she didn't work in a verse about the burned roof and the kitten. I still don't think of little Kauai island as having much "open road". Another of life's mysteries cleared up... Dave On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home locus > > took with Larry to Canada ie home.> > > Nope - Hawaii is the correct answer, but we do have some nice > parting gifts for you Mr. Remote. > > Here's an excerpt from an interview with Chris Douridas in 1994: > > Music up: "Night Ride Home.") > CD: It's so nice listening to you guys play this song and to see > your exchange of smiles at that one point in the song where you > say, "I love the man beside me." > JM: Oh, yeah, this was a beautiful trip we took. It was. We went to > -- fourth of July we went to Hanalei. Was it Hanalei? > Larry Klein: Yeah, it was Kawai, yeah. > JM: And we had a really nice evening and there was like a lot of, > like, local kind of hula stuff while it was light, and then there > was a band -- there were two bands. A traditional ukulele band, > like slack-key band playing in one room, and then there was a rock > band playing in the other. And we befriended the wife of one of the > band members that night. > Then the drive home was really kind of surreal. Actually you've got > to get kind of a pre-setting to it. We rented this house and before > we left, the people who rented the house next to us had decided to > have this barbecue on our beach. Now we weren't going to be using > that beach that night, but when you pay for a private beach, it > kind of like bugs you to see these people like frying burgers on > your beach, you know. > CD: You want to at least be able to look at it. > JM: So -- and plus they were shooting off these rockets, right? And > I was standing at the window thinking that's our beach, you know. > We paid for that beach and everything. So anyway, then logic enters > into it and you think, well, you know, we're not going to be using > it, we're going on the other side of the island. So we go over to > the other side of the island. We have a pleasant evening listening > to this traditional music and a little bit of the rock. And we're > coming home -- either we had a tinted windshield in the car or else > there was a real blue moon, but the clouds were scudding overhead > real fast. They were moving like, you know, on our route anyway > they were moving right to left across, and there was a big blue > moon hanging in the sky. > LK: Oh, yeah. > JM: And everything seemed enchanted. The dots on the highway seemed > enchanted. The wires as they scooped along outside the window > seemed more silver than ever and in the distance we thought we saw > a flying saucer land. We couldn't figure it out. It was like this > patch of light in the middle of the field. Well when we came up on > it, it was a big yellow tractor with the headlights on and guys in > overalls with one leg up on the bumper drinking beer and laughing > in the middle of this cane field. > Then when we came to our turn-off, this horse loped alongside of us > literally with the taillights of our car reflecting on his hide and > his big eye staring in the window. When we got back to the house, > we walked in and it smelled of burn. It smelled like wet firewood. > Went into the bedroom, and we had just found a kitten a couple of > days earlier, a little runty kitten, like, that was prematurely > weaned and really high-spirited. And we left her in there. We came > into the house and there was a stink of fire, wet fire. Went into > the bedroom. The bed had been moved out into the middle of the room > and all the bed clothes were soggy and there was a big hole in the > roof and a note from the neighbors who'd had the barbecue on our > beach saying, "Gee, suddenly your roof caught fire. We don't know > how it happened, but we rented your house on our last vacation so > we knew where the spare key was so we stuck a garden hose, like, up > on your roof and we came -- " but > they started the fire -- > CD: With their rockets. > JM: -- because they were with their rockets at the beginning of the > evening and this little kitten was in there. But the whole thing > was kind of surreal and enchanted. > LK: Like a film. > JM: Yeah, it was like this funny little film. > ********************************************************* > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "Two Grey Rooms" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:26:01 -0400 From: "James Leahy" Subject: Girls Like Us Has anyone had a chance to read Sheila Weller's new book, Girls Like Us? I bought it the other day and read all the Joni sections. There's a ton of stuff I hadn't heard before, mostly about Joni's relationships with men. That said, I do not think it is 'yellow journalism'. It seemed fairly thoughtful and, from what I can tell, pretty accurate (with the exception described below); it seems like a decent document of the changes that were happening for women, and for all of us, in the sixties and seventies. If you've looked at it, you might have noticed the book's strange typography: the Carly Simon sections are in a different font. Because I work in publishing, things like this matter to me. Here's the email I sent to the book's website: <> Now I sit up here, the critic. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:13:17 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Girls Like Us Hi Jim, I got it last week and am in the thick of it. Between being a slow reader and having little time to read, I am moving along slowly and am enjoying it. And like you, I'm "cheating" and reading all the Joni chapters first. I will probably go back and read the Carole King portions but will probably not ever get around to the Carly stuff as I was never much of a fan. Had she not been the beautiful daughter of a wealthy family I don't think she would have ever hit the radar screen, though she did make the best of the opportunities her fame gave her. I am loving all the new Joni info & details! 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Kauai is one of the smaller islands on Hawaii's chain & is the furthest north. Hanalei is a beautiful spot with a crescent shaped bay. Graham Nash has or once had a house there. There are lots of backroads as well as horses on Hawaii. Cattle ranches too. Kate Jamie Zooby >Well, if we're going to go along with her painting of the same name ('Big Blue Moon There' 1987) I will say Kauai - which is an island (or a place? My geography of Hawaii isn't great) in/near Hawaii. And the video will also go along with the beach idea. However the 'open road' and 'horse' images that she brings to it, take it away from my idea of Hawaii. OK so the horse is a metaphor for a car but she brings it to the table.< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:39:19 -0500 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: lyrics that suck , neil young edition I've always disliked the sentiment Neil expressed in "Down by the River": "Down by the river, I shot my baby, down by the river, dead . . . shot her dead . . . " On 4/13/08, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > > Well in Neil's defense, that first set of lyrics wasn't written by > him. The song was mostly written by Danny Whitten. Neil's lyrical > contribution to it was minimal--his lines only were the "sure enough they'll > be selling.../moon lines." This is a song sung by Whitten which Crazy Horse > did in or around '70. Neil found a recording of it (live I believe) and > slapped it onto "Tonight's The Night" feeling this song was essential to > that album. > As for the mashed potates lines, well maybe he had just smoked up > prior to writing those and was REALLY hungry. Haha, that would explain the > length, lack of direction and the words then! > -M, who likes the lyrics to Cowgirl In The Sand > > > Randy Remote wrote: > Snake eyes, french fries, I got lots of gas > Full moon and a truckin' tune > You don't have to ask > C'mon baby, let's go downtown... > > Hello cowgirl in the sand > Is this place at your command? > Old enough now, to change your name > When so many love you, is it the same? > > Got mashed potatoes > Got mashed potatoes > Got mashed potatoes > Ain't got no t-bone > (repeat over and over for 9 minutes) > > Rapid transit. > Public service. > I'm standing in my line. > Melt down. > Containment. > I'm standing in my line > -Neil Young > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:59:54 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Night Ride Home locus "We came into the house and there was a stink of fire, wet fire. Went into the bedroom. The bed had been moved out into the middle of the room and all the bed clothes were soggy and there was a big hole in the roof and a note from the neighbors who'd had the barbecue on our beach saying, "Gee, suddenly your roof caught fire. We don't know how it happened, but we rented your house on our last vacation so we knew where the spare key was so we stuck a garden hose, like, up on your roof and we came -- " Interesting story. I'd never read that before. Funny about the bed clothes being all wet. It reminded me of something else curious about the "Night Ride Home" package. The photos from the album and booklet include some double exposures of Joni over what appears to be a mattress cover, that kind of shiny brocade that's used. I wonder if they stripped the bed and took some photos that night while it dried. Now I will re-examine those pictures to see if there's any other hints back to this story. I've always dug the silhouette shot of Larry with the toothpick in his mouth. And always remember, OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR. CC _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:49:23 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Lyrics that suck (and don't) Also in defense of Neil Young: I too like the lyrics to "Cowgirl In The Sand," although my judgement is biased from having loved the 1970's, the music from that era, and my life at that time. > Hello cowgirl in the sand > Is this place at your command? > Old enough now, to change your name > When so many love you, is it the same? > > As far as the mashed potatoe lines going on for 9 minutes, I chalk it up to Neil's LOVE for REALLY loooonnnngggg jams and poetic license. It's not one of my favorite Neil Young songs, in any case. > Got mashed potatoes > Got mashed potatoes > Got mashed potatoes > Ain't got no t-bone > (repeat over and over for 9 minutes) > > Kenny B ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:53:52 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob's Encyclopedia of Joni Bob, your knowledge of all-things-Joni (and you're ability to seemingly find these things so easily) never ceases to amaze me. If they ever have a Jeopardy tournament with all Joni-related categories, I'd bet on you to win. > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home locus > > took with Larry to Canada ie home.> > > Nope - Hawaii is the correct answer, but we do have some nice parting gifts > for you Mr. Remote. > > Here's an excerpt from an interview with Chris Douridas in 1994: > > Kenny B ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:52:31 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Girls Like Us I'm almost done with the Joni sections. It certainly held my interest. Her portrayal of Joni's pregnancy seems especially empathetic, and very fair. Overall, thought, it's still not the portrayal I'm waiting for. As James said, it's mostly about her relationships with men. I can't say that part wasn't interesting, and I was once again struck by how many former lovers have such high regard for her. Still, despite enjoying all the love affair stuff, I would have been interested in hearing more about her work, and about her struggles as a woman in the sexist music business. And in a book that seeks to place these musicians in some kind of feminist narrative, I wonder why Weller omitted any discussion of Joni's well-documented hostility to feminism. At 10:26 AM 4/14/2008, you wrote: >Has anyone had a chance to read Sheila Weller's new book, Girls Like >Us? I bought it the other day and read all the Joni sections. >There's a ton of stuff I hadn't heard before, mostly about Joni's >relationships with men. That said, I do not think it is 'yellow >journalism'. It seemed fairly thoughtful and, from what I can tell, >pretty accurate (with the exception described below); it seems like >a decent document of the changes that were happening for women, and >for all of us, in the sixties and seventies. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:32:18 -0700 From: Subject: Night Ride Home locus Thanks for posting the bit of the interview. Pretty amusing, although I cringed a bit with Joni talking paying for their "private beach." There are no "private beaches" in the islands of Hawaii. They are all public under the law and people even have the right to walk through someone's private yard to get to them. There are lots of ranches in the islands an a long cowboy (called paniolas in Hawaii) tradition going way back. I recall that most of the original paniolas were Portuguese and they brought the guitar into the Hawaiian music. There is a whole genre of Hawaiian Country music there, too, which is wonderful. I stayed in Hanalei a few years ago and it is a wonder of the world in beauty. I met a lot of the real locals and musicians hanging out there. It is a very magical place. Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #17 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe