From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #7 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 5 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 007 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re; Herbie,Joni and Sonya ["Anita Tedder" ] Hi from Anita ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: bad joni art ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Girl's Like Us [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Joni for Guitar Hero [Rian Afriadi ] Re: Man From Mars [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Herbie, Joni and Hana [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Man From Mars [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Man From Mars ["Phyliss Ward" ] Re: The Way It Is [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Herbie, Joni and Sonya [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni Covers #99 - the last of the two-digit numbers! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Herbie, Joni and Sonya [] "song for sharon" [anon anon ] Re: Herbie, Joni and Sonya [Bob Muller ] girls like us at abebooks [Mags ] RE: girls like us at abebooks [anon anon ] OMG Cover of NRH [Bob Muller ] Re: OMG Cover of NRH ["Randy Remote" ] RE: girls like us at abebooks ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: girls like us at abebooks [Bob Muller ] Re: Man From Mars [Mark-Leon Thorne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:27:07 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Re; Herbie,Joni and Sonya Jeannie wrote: "Has Joni ever had female back-up vocalists that I may not be aware of?" Put your hand up if you HAVEN'T sung in your bedroom into your hairbrush... Anita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:35:42 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Hi from Anita Hi Kate - sounds like my first email to the list yesterday (quoted by Kate below, mentioned by Michael F and Randy R) was more than sufficient without my second long and tedious interpretation of events. I remember apologising to the list once before for sounding so far up meself a searchlight couldn't find me. Consider it done again :~)))) Yours, without density, Anita From: "Kate Bennett" Anita> Am I alone in thinking it sounds like he did a really good job? Anita, you are not alone in thinking this... she went in dead (depressed), & left grinning... he helped her but at the time she did not understand... kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:56:46 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: bad joni art Oh my god! I want one!!!!! Absolutely KIDDING! On 03/04/2008, Randy Remote wrote: > or maybe just impressionistic? From "America's Most > Prolific Artist" (ebay) > The Blue cover looks more like Peter Tosh. > http://tinyurl.com/268ocb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:01:45 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Girl's Like Us Forgive if it's already common knowledge, but you see, there's this book.... http://www.amazon.com/Girls-Like-Us-Simon-Generation/dp/0743491475 Come to think of it, it's more than a little odd that James Taylor had so much truck with all these gals (Joni, Carly, Carole). Carry on, ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:52:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Joni for Guitar Hero Hmmm... most of Guitar Hero fans are guitarists or guitarist wannabees that want to have huge electric guitar part on the songs. So i recommend some of rock songs from Wild Things Run Fast. Rian who is worrying about current's global economics problem. you know, those american mortgages things affect my country too ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:07:50 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Man From Mars No Mark, she didn't - she was asked to contribute a song, and she said that she wasn't writing a lot of stuff, everything was "I hate show business" songs with the exception of one that she wrote lamenting her lost/runaway cat. I've not seen the movie but understand that MfM fits it fairly well. Bob NP: Nada Surf, "Here Goes Something" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:15:58 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Herbie, Joni and Hana Thanks for the additional info regarding the basss work on Hejira, Mark. I didn't have the liner notes in front of me and only knew that it was Domanico on BMR so Jaco was not the only bassist on the project. Although HIS basswork is certainly one of the things that stand out musically on the album. First time I heard the record, I thought it was some kind of synthesizer, that's how unusual his fretless style was to me ears. I'm glad that you're enjoying this album more - to me it remains the zenith of sonic wonders and lyrical brilliance. Bob NP: Counting Crows, "1492" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:26:37 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Man From Mars The movie, BTW, is very good. Tries to wrap all the late 60's early 70's singer/songwriter movement into it. Of course, no one movie can do that, but it is entertaining. Klein plays a small part of the record producer very well. Jerry > Grace of My Heart or if she just released it to be recorded for the > soundtrack? I haven't seen the movie so, I don't know if the lyrics > fit the storyline of the film.> > > No Mark, she didn't - she was asked to contribute a song, and she said > that she wasn't writing a lot of stuff, everything was "I hate show > business" songs with the exception of one that she wrote lamenting her > lost/runaway cat. I've not seen the movie but understand that MfM fits it > fairly well. > > Bob > > NP: Nada Surf, "Here Goes Something" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:51:35 -0400 From: "Phyliss Ward" Subject: RE: Man From Mars I don't it is completely true that she did not write the song for the movie. I think she wrote it both for the movie and her cat. From JMDL.... http://jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=67 The cat's 'Meow-meow-meow!' by Edna Gundersen C USA Today, September 29, 1998 Also, the movie version was released first. Back to lurkdom, Phylis - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:08 AM To: Mark-Leon Thorne Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: Man From Mars No Mark, she didn't - she was asked to contribute a song, and she said that she wasn't writing a lot of stuff, everything was "I hate show business" songs with the exception of one that she wrote lamenting her lost/runaway cat. I've not seen the movie but understand that MfM fits it fairly well. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:45:14 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: The Way It Is The first time I heard it (on the January 1968 bootleg from Club 47 in Boston) I was a bit put off as the melody takes some tricky turns, but I have come to like it as well. Lyrically it's challenging too, referencing the "Generation Gap" of the times and racism as well. Joni wrote it especially for the CBC TV show which she appeared on in late '67 and 'early '68. The song has also been remade by Henning & Christina (aka Big Yellow Taxi) and you can hear a 2-minute snip of it here: http://cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi4 Andd hopefully it'll whet your appetite for their upcoming CD which will feature a dozen or so of these unreleased gems. Bob NP: Stephen Malkmus & The Jicks, "Dragonfly Pie" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:48:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Herbie, Joni and Sonya Wait, are we talking about Sonya on "Hana" here? She didn't really sing much on that song....I kind of was wondering why she was even up there with Joni..... Overall, I thought the performance was fantastic. A very smooth, cool, laidback concert performance....and Joni seemed at ease. Herbie looked very intense as he played and concentrated on the song at hand. -M kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: No flambes from me, Michael. I think Sonya being so off threw Joni off, too. Seemed to me that Joni was trying to follow/help her along and and trying to save it but it just continued to fumble. I think they doctored the video a bit after the fact because it was more fumbly live. In the past I've heard Sonya billed as the "next Joni Mitchell" and just couldn't get it. Still don't. However, she was hanging out near me in the back with the Joni friends and Herbie family during the taping and she seemed like a very sweet, genuine person. Maybe that is what they like about her. Maybe they need to get her a better set of those earplug feedback monitors, too? ;-) Kakki - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:28:34 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers #99 - the last of the two-digit numbers! Wow Bob, a Covers CD with only 2 BSN's, and both are pretty good too. I've given #99 a couple of listens, and not a bad one in the bunch, not even cheese (which I happen to like). My favorite's were "Last Chance Lost" by Chris Laurence Quartet. The female singer, Norma Winstone (I think that's her name when I googled the Quartet) was spectacular. She puts a nice twist, and makes it her own song as they say on American Idol. The drummer Sandro Dominelli did a great job with one of my favorite songs. The female singer on "Two Grey Rooms" has a beautiful voice. Cass Elliott- she could have sung anything, and I would love it. I still wish she did a cover of "Night In The City." That song was made for her voice. As for Sarah Slean, I looked her up, and not only is she an accomplished musician, she's gorgeous. However, I wasn't that keen on her vocals and the orchestra was overpowering. All four songs sounded like a soundtrack to a movie. My least favorite was R. J. Malloy. It was just an okay performance of "Urge for Going," but what I found interesting is that he lives about 20 miles north of me. So, in one of my first public critiques in quite sometime, I hope he doesn't read this, drive down and beat me up. Thanks again for another Covers CD, Bob. I hope #100 will be extra special. Happy Friday Everyone! Jimmy, proud owner of every CD Bob has produced ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:47:57 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Herbie, Joni and Sonya Yes, I think we were all specifically referring to Sonya on Hana and not the entire show! The show overall was absolutely fantastic. Sonya is sort of part of the Herbie Joni gang because she recorded All I Want with Herbie and I think has already been or will be touring with him this year. I think Sonya also participated in the Joni tribute concert at Carnegie Hall back in 2006. Many here were at that event and I recall they liked her performance, but my memory is dim. Kakki >Wait, are we talking about Sonya on "Hana" here? She didn't really sing much on that song....I kind of was wondering why she was even up there with Joni..... Overall, I thought the performance was >fantastic. A very smooth, cool, laidback concert performance....and Joni seemed at ease. Herbie looked very intense as he played and concentrated on the song at hand. - -M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:48:12 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: "song for sharon" It was interesting to learn from the new book about Joni, Carole and Carly called "girls like us" who Dora and Betsy are in "song for Sharon". I actually have been wondering about it, and it was interesting to know who the woman who "drowned" herself in the same song... However, like others have mentioned, I'm not sure how accurate the information was... the book does seem sort of gossipy... as much as there is a part of me that likes gossip, I am suspicious..... _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 A ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Herbie, Joni and Sonya I thought she did just fine - she performed "Trouble Child" with a band. And I saw her at the VIP pre-show too, she was very cute & just beaming to be a part of the whole night. All that having been said, I don't think her CD is any great shakes, but she's still very young so I'm hoping we'll see greater things from her. Bob NP: Cyril Ornadel, "Both Sides Now" ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:25:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: girls like us at abebooks just found this at abebooks: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=weller&sts=t&tn=girls+like+us&x=0&y=0 I've sent in a request to my local library to order it in. I hope they do, and I hope it doesnt take too long. As for the person who read the book already. I have an inkling that either you work in the book industry, and/or acquired a reading advance copy, something like that. been there, done that ;-) whatever, it's all in the name of propelling this book out into the world. mags. - --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:08:00 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: girls like us at abebooks > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:25:53 -0400> From: margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca> Subject: girls like us at abebooks> To: joni@smoe.org> > just found this at abebooks:> > http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=weller&sts=t&tn=girls+like+u s&x=0&y=0> > I've sent in a request to my local library to order it in. I hope they do, and I hope it doesnt take too long. As for the person who read the book already. I have an inkling that either you work in the book industry, and/or acquired a reading advance copy, something like that. been there, done that ;-)> > whatever, it's all in the name of propelling this book out into the world.> > mags. > Hi, actually I didn't buy the book... I browsed through it in my local book store... _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: OMG Cover of NRH 37.5 Bonus points if you can make it all the way to the end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgV2JviV7hE Because some things are meant to stay private. Bob NP: Colored Wolf, "The Magdalene Laundries" ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:00:39 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: OMG Cover of NRH > 37.5 Bonus points if you can make it all the way to the end: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgV2JviV7hE > > Because some things are meant to stay private. > > Bob No, I did not get my bonus points. Not on this one either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZXBTVULfiw&feature=related RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 21:09:22 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: girls like us at abebooks Mags & Co.: I got my copy from Amazon yesterday and am 300 pages through it. So far, I think it's pretty good: well-written, and while it's full of gossip, it's reasonably judicious in its judgments and the sources are well-documented. Quite a roster of folks who agreed to be interviewed. Um, Joni just met James Taylor at Mariposa. I'd like to stay and chat, but I have reading to do. :-) Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mags Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:26 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: girls like us at abebooks just found this at abebooks: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=weller&sts=t&tn=girls+like+ us&x=0&y=0 I've sent in a request to my local library to order it in. I hope they do, and I hope it doesnt take too long. As for the person who read the book already. I have an inkling that either you work in the book industry, and/or acquired a reading advance copy, something like that. been there, done that ;-) whatever, it's all in the name of propelling this book out into the world. mags. - --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: girls like us at abebooks I ordered my copy today, so I'm hoping for it Mon-Tues next week and looking to dive in headfirst. No spoilers! Bob NP: Monica Guareschi Group, "Woodstock" ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 15:28:39 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Man From Mars Thank you for digging that up, Phyllis. That's really puts things into perspective for me. It seems to me that Joni had both her cat and the character in the movie in mind when she wrote the song. I always though the line, "I can't get through the day without one big boo-hoo" a little trite for such a lovely, sad song but it makes more sense if you're talking about a cat. On the other hand, "There is no centre to my life now, no grace in my heart" seems to tie in the movie. I've always though many of Joni's songs would tie into movies very well. I would love to see a movie made, based on the lyrics of several of Joni's songs. Something like The Fiddle and The Drum did with ballet but an actual dramatic movie with a storyline. Who knows? Maybe I'll make it myself one day. Maybe the future biopic of Joni's life will use her songs so connect the various chapters of her life. Mark in Sydney NP Looking Through Patient Eyes - PM Dawn On 05/04/2008, at 12:51 AM, Phyliss Ward wrote: > I don't it is completely true that she did not write the song for > the movie. > I think she wrote it both for the movie and her cat. > > From JMDL.... > http://jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=67 > > The cat's 'Meow-meow-meow!' > by Edna Gundersen > C USA Today, September 29, 1998 > > > Joni > Mitchell pines,"There is no center to my life now, no grace in my > heart." At > first, she had declined a request to pen a mournful tune for the > Grace of My > Heart soundtrack, insisting, "I'm not a hack. I have to feel what I > write." > > She reconsidered after her beloved tomcat Nietzsche (seen in > Mitchell's > self-portrait on the cover of Taming the Tiger) ran away from home. > "The > grief that I felt in his absence coincided with the grief of the > character > in the movie," she says.> > > Also, the movie version was released first. > > Back to lurkdom, > Phylis > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:08 AM > To: Mark-Leon Thorne > Cc: JMDL > Subject: Re: Man From Mars > > Grace of My Heart or if she just released it to be recorded for the > soundtrack? I haven't seen the movie so, I don't know if the lyrics > fit the storyline of the film.> > > No Mark, she didn't - she was asked to contribute a song, and she said > that she wasn't writing a lot of stuff, everything was "I hate show > business" songs with the exception of one that she wrote lamenting her > lost/runaway cat. I've not seen the movie but understand that MfM > fits it > fairly well. > > Bob ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #7 ******************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe