From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #4 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 2 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 004 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- another canyon lady... [] Re: An All-Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell, etc. [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Big Yellow Taxi tribute video on Youtube [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Joni's suicide attempt [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni Covers #99 - the last of the two-digit numbers! [Bob.Muller@Fluo] First time I've ever heard this... ["Owen Duff" ] Joni Flashback [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's suicide attempt [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni's suicide attempt [Em ] Re: Joni's suicide attempt [Monika Bogdanowicz ] another canyon lady... [Patti Parlette ] Re: Joni's suicide attempt ["Vince Lavieri" ] Joni announces 10 city U.S. tour with Herbie! [Monika Bogdanowicz ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= ["Marion Leffler" ] Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_SV=3A_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= [Bob Muller ] slide show on Yahoo [Deb Messling ] Re: slide show on Yahoo [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Herbie & Joni on Yahoo - WOW! ["Jerry Notaro" ] RE: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? ["Jerry Notaro" ] Joni and Herbie up and running now! [] Re: Joni's suicide attempt ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Joni's suicide attempt ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Joni's suicide attempt [mia _ ] Re: Joni´s suicide attempt [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Herbie & Joni's show on Yahoo ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:33:28 -0700 From: Subject: another canyon lady... I'd ask Trina or Annie or Estrella if they could please cough up their home tapings from back in the olde canyon days ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:57:15 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: An All-Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell, etc. Hi Dave. As far as I know, the show was never released on DVD. As you probably know, it was the first in a series on Turner's TNT network. It was also never broadcast in Australia. One lovely list member managed to transfer a videotaped copy onto DVD and sent it to me so, I'd be happy to pay it forward if you like. Just write to me off list and I'll get my old DVD burner up and running. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:56:02 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Covers #99 - the last of the two-digit numbers! Thanks once again, Bob, for another fine bunch of covers. An interesting grouping but there were really two highlights for me. One was Cass Elliot singing I Had a King.. I was not so impressed as you by the Two Grey Rooms cover. I have heard much better covers of this song and I must say, apart from Joni herself, I much prefer this song being sung by a man. So far, my favourite version of this song is by Steve Polifka. The biggest highlight from this volume for me was The Chris Lawrence Quartet's cover of Last Chance Lost. This has to be the find of the year. It's gorgeous. I love the slow intro and it just gets better from there. and the xylophone is to die for. Dreamy. It's unique from Joni's version yet still faithful to the overall feel of the song. Where are these people from? Her accent does not sound North American. I'm gonna have a little Joni covers party next month when volume 100 comes along. I don't know how you do it, Mr Muller. You are tireless. What an asset you are to this little community. I'm always available to you when you need any help in this fine endeavour. Mark in Sydney NP Last Chance Lost - Chris Lawrence Quartet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 04:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: another canyon lady... Les I. wrote: "Let's just say that you were able to ask the ladies of the canyon some questions. If you had Trina or Annie or Estrella sitting in front of you, what would you ask them?" To Trina: Where did you get your wampum beads and that cool coat? I got my glasses for $11 at an antique store... want to go antiquing? To Annie: What's in the brownies; they look sorta green? Can I come up to your kitchen, and will you show me your best recipe? To Estrella: I know of some great banyan trees in Birch State Park in Florida; want to go climb with me? Ever been up a tall pine and felt the natural high of the sway at the top? Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:24:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi tribute video on Youtube Shucks, I thought I was going to hear YOUR take on the song, Michael... Bob NP: Bruce, "My Lover Man" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Hey Mark - you can have one now, and sing: "Tonight I'm gonna party like it's Volume 99..." LOL Thanks for your kind words, and for all of the help you continue to offer so generously. This is truly a special place we've got here, folks. Bob NP: Rickie Lee Jones, "Ugly Man" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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The group all wanted to go out for dinner so I followed them through the streets and down an alley to.... You guessed it. The very same restaurant as ten years ago, out of all the restaurants in Washington, D.C. Another big surprise was walking down to Lambda Rising bookstore on the first night and meeting Christopher Rice at a book signing. I can assure you, even better looking in person! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344210,00.html > > Another excerpt from the upcoming Sheila Weller book. > Supposedly "Car On A Hill" is based on her relationship with Jackson > Browne which almost caused her to take her life in 1972. > > Bob <> Say it ain't so! I personally don't believe it. Brian, loving Joni since 1971 - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt The article mentions "Car On a Hill" being about this incident. To me that song just doesn't sound like it would be about such a hideous scene. hmm.. I hate thinking this is true. Em - --- Brian Gross wrote: > Say it ain't so! I personally don't believe it. > > Brian, loving Joni since 1971 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt Hmm, very interesting. Well I'm glad Joni's attempt was just that...an attempt. Thank God. -M Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344210,00.html Another excerpt from the upcoming Sheila Weller book. Supposedly "Car On A Hill" is based on her relationship with Jackson Browne which almost caused her to take her life in 1972. Bob NP: Spoon, "Eddie's Ragga" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:35:43 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: another canyon lady... Les came out to wonder: Let's just say that you were able to ask the ladies of the canyon some questions. If you had Trina or Annie or Estrella sitting in front of you, what would you ask them? ***** Wow. What a great question, Les! Questions of a thousand Joni dreams.... First, I would sing this ("a little bit corny"): It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood, A beautiful day for a neighbor. Would you be mine? Could you be mine?... It's a neighborly day in this beauty wood, A neighborly day for a beauty. Would you be mine? Could you be mine?... I've always wanted to have a neighbor just like you. I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you. So, let's make the most of this beautiful day. Since we're together we might as well say: Would you be mine? Could you be mine? Won't you be my neighbor? Won't you please, Won't you please? Please won't you be my neighbor? Then, after they made me welcome in, I would say: "Hey, Annie Sweetie! Are you going to put some hash in those brownies today? Yeah! Let's sit around the shanty, mamas, and put a good buzz on. But what's with all these cats and babies? Yikes, ya gotta be careful where you walk! And be careful with that rocking chair. Someone is always there under the runners." "Trina, I love your wampum beads! Can I look in your drawing book?" "Oh, Estrella. I'm so glad to meet *you*, too! You are like Cirque de Soleil, coloring up our sunshine hours, pouring music, sweet music, down the canyon. And where ever did you get that beautiful shawl?" "Annie, these flowers you have gathered are just gorgeous. I love the way you put them round the room. Hey, I know! (bright as a neon light) Let's get JONI! We'll rent her a grand piano. Where *is* she? Where is Willy? Where is their house? They can come over and put on some kind of harmony! And then if Joni goes into one of her creative trances, I'm gonna put the moves on Willy (I would be his lady all my life), because Joni is going to leave him anyway, you know, and Neil is going to write the most heartbreakingly-beautiful song about that...." Damn! Ringing telephone. Gotta go do my best, and good business. (But if I had my way, I'd just walk through these doors and wander, down the canyon.....) Love, Patti P. NPIMH&OMC: Earth, Wind and Fire: FANTASY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf3loEhV0ZU _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:41:43 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt There is nothing about Joni that rings untrue in this. If it is fact, in a book, not just trying to pander, then it may be inspiration to some that once can survive every the most desparate of times. We have all felt the tragic in Joni's work, that is one reason her music touches us so deeply in our own wounded places. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Joni announces 10 city U.S. tour with Herbie! April Fools! Only kidding! -M, hahaha - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:03:17 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: The Weller Book, FOX news article There are sometimes personal situations that once they appear in public warrant a response. I will hope that Joni will come forth to comment on the report of what is being called a "suicide attempt." Violent, self-destructive behavior does not necessarily go hand in hand with artistry or celebrity. Spinning an alleged personal lapse in coping mechanisms to draw a superficial generational link is tenuous journalism, at best. Suicide, or it's attempt is not something to trivialize nor make conclusive, based on speculation. CC "A woman I knew just drowned herself, the well was deep and muddy. She was just shaking off futility or punishing somebody. My friends were calling up all day yesterday, all emotions and abstractions. It seems we all live so close to that line and so far from satisfaction." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:05:28 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= If any song on Court and Spark refers to such a tragedy it must be Trouble Child, imo. I cannot for the life of me hear anything suicidal in Car on the hill. I can imagine Joni attempting suicide at some time in her life even though she appears to be a down-to-earth person. So that part I dont find unbelievable  maybe questionable. I was looking forward to this book but now I feel a little put off by all the information on what song was written for which lover. First of all, I dont want to know. Secondly, the remarks on Coyote certainly seem very much like speculation to me. He was the prisoner of the white fine lines? Not Joni? Isnt that twisting interpretation a little too hard? Marion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:08:18 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Nissan Live Sets I thought this was going to debut on Yahoo today?!? The performance, including video streams of 10 individual songs and an audience Q&A, will be available beginning April 1 at _http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706_ (http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:24:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= That one we've hashed out pretty good here - lots of clues in Coyote and also in DJRD. Not a lot of room for speculation on that one, actually. Bob NP: The Shins, "Spilt Needles" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Marion _____ Fren: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Skickat: den 1 april 2008 20:24 Till: Marion Leffler Kopia: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Joni4s suicide attempt That one we've hashed out pretty good here - lots of clues in Coyote and also in DJRD. Not a lot of room for speculation on that one, actually. Bob NP: The Shins, "Spilt Needles" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:01:04 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: Big Yellow Taxi tribute video on Youtube C'est formidable, Michael from (Laurentide) Mountains!One hundred and sixty-eight seconds of wonder and delight.Tres bien! Applause, applause! You get a round resounding for you, way down here.I just asked a French professor if they still say: "Ca boom" or "C'est chouette" and sheshook her head and says they've changed. Those phrases are a little passe. What dothey say now in France? "C'est cool!"Alors, c'est cool. That photo of Joni at 1:50-1:52 or so? I have that poster from aconcert in the 70s. It has yellowed tape marks on it from hanging on my dormitorywall. Someday I'll get it framed. Et quelle coincidence. I was just thinking of you yesterday as I opened my newred umbrella. Umbrellas bright on a grey background, comme tu sais!Bisous,La Parlette qui parle trop aujourd'huiNPIMH:Michael from mountainsGo where you will go toKnow that I will know youSomeday I may know you very well****Well, here's one more addition to the countless (groan) BYT videos available on Youtube.My first effort, made with love, Enjoy !http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=dVQ8WRzVR14Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back upuse SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh _skydrive_packup_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:44:35 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= Car On A Hill seems like one of the lighter moments on C&S....Down To You might be more like it...anyway, I found this on a Jackson Browne site In early 1972, Jackson Browne went on a 4-month tour with Joni Mitchell, covering much of the U.S. and Europe. Joni Mitchell and Jackson Browne also started a romance that lasted throughout much of the year. In recent years much has been made about an ongoing "feud" between the two. Joni Mitchell wrote a song called "Not To Blame" (from her 1994 album Turbulent Indigo) that not only accused Jackson of beating up then girlfriend Darryl Hannah but also implied that he drove his first wife to suicide. In later newspaper interviews, Jackson called Joni "disturbed" [later] ..... the fall of 1972 that David Lindley started to join Jackson on stage. It was also around this time that Jackson broke off his relationship with Joni Mitchell and started seeing Phyllis Major. (end) Was that song Joni's revenge? She has denied it was about him, but it fits like a glove. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:16:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Happy Belated Easter To Bo Blown away was what I was, high up to a sycamore, on that Easter Sunday, when I read such exquisite explosions of emotion through your writings about yourself, life, and Joni, Bo! Hey, we never give up, right Bo? It seems to me, something like this, you know, that Joni, you, me and others like us, can meet often, at a spur of a moment, mystically, at some hidden corner Chinese Cafe or some other out of the way, borderline Bar-n-Grille where few know the secret code to enter the door to our circle of unchained melodies that can never, ever be unlocked, broken or understood. Bo, I know exactly what you feel about categorizing or defining Joni into one sort of group or the other. It's most discomforting for me and I've avoided that thought since day #1 of my musical communion with Joan, going way back to those days when the child in me came out to wonder and grow up next to her by my side. Most Lovingly, me PS: Been off to myself for a few days, away from all the news that spins non-stop over and over, seeming to go nowhere, with Rickie Lee Jones, Ry Cooder, and Joni Mitchell, high atop that reserved Sycamore Tree reserved for you and me and for those who know what falling up is all about. NP: Keep Me In Your Heart For Awhile ~Warren Zevon~ Peep Richman wrote: I'm probably not making very much sense...I feel as though I'm having difficulty expressing what I feel...what I think...I do want to share with you that the article about Joni and Carly and Carol and others disturbed me. I don't want an article about Joni to include any other public figure. There is not a human being in the world that can ring true in an article that is sacred in loyalty to Joni. There simply are no comparisons...not for me at least. And I really love Carol King and Carly Simon and so many artists....but not in the same sanctuary with Joni. Joni has the ability to reach deeply within our souls...she invites us and almost provides a challenge to us to explore and bring to conclusion something that has happened in our lives. With love and hugs from Bo ~nj~ - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:08:58 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? Just wondering if anyone knows anything about when this show will appear and where to find it? I've gone on Yahoo and searched for their names but find nothing, other than the specific reference to it on April 1 on Herbie's website. Geez, I hope it's not some cruel April Fool's day joke! Thanks, Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:21:21 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? It doesn't appear to be up there as of yet Lindsay :~( Here is the link though... _http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706_ (http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706) ~rosie **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:31:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_SV=3A_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= What I meant was that this (Joni's relationship with Sam and the references in Coyote and DJRD which were composed simultaneously) had been thoroughly discussed prior to your arrival, so of course you would have no recollection of it. Believe me, all the dots connect. You can bank on it. Bob NP: Eva Cassidy, "Oh, Had I A Golden Thread" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:32:53 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= Yeah, the "Car on a Hill" reference is weird, and I'm guessing that someone just plain got the wrong song. I've been in the situation of "waiting for my sugar to show, and I've been very, very annoyed with people who are late, or who have stood me up, but it didn't make me try to kill myself, for pete's sake. At 01:05 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote: >If any song on Court and Spark refers to such a tragedy it must be Trouble >Child, imo. I cannot for the life of me hear anything suicidal in Car on the >hill. I can imagine Joni attempting suicide at some time in her life even >though she appears to be a down-to-earth person. So that part I dont find >unbelievable maybe questionable. I was looking forward to this book but >now I feel a little put off by all the information on what song was written >for which lover. First of all, I dont want to know. Secondly, the remarks >on Coyote certainly seem very much like speculation to me. Hewas the >prisoner of the white fine lines? Not Joni? Isnt that twisting >interpretation a little too hard? > >Marion - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:55:10 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? I just watched "River": the sound recording leaves a lot to be desired. Way too much bass (with bass all the way down in my sound card, plus the fact that I have very nice Bose computer speakers). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lindsay Moon Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:09 PM To: joni list Subject: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? Just wondering if anyone knows anything about when this show will appear and where to find it? I've gone on Yahoo and searched for their names but find nothing, other than the specific reference to it on April 1 on Herbie's website. Geez, I hope it's not some cruel April Fool's day joke! Thanks, Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:51:50 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_SV:_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= Wow. I've been away all day and thought this subject heading was a bad April Fool's joke. As for Coyote, I believe I told you earlier that the poet Anne Waldman (who was on the Rolling Thunder tour) told me at last year's Dylan conference in Minnesota that there was no doubt about it: "Coyote" is about Sam Shepard. She also told me how much she admired Joni as an artist. I noticed that the Weller book has been shipped and is to arrive here day after tomorrow from Amazon. Should be a good read. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:32 PM To: Marion Leffler; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: SV: Joni4s suicide attempt What I meant was that this (Joni's relationship with Sam and the references in Coyote and DJRD which were composed simultaneously) had been thoroughly discussed prior to your arrival, so of course you would have no recollection of it. Believe me, all the dots connect. You can bank on it. Bob NP: Eva Cassidy, "Oh, Had I A Golden Thread" ____________________________________________________________________________ _ _______ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:12:12 -0400 From: Coleen Subject: Herbie & Joni on Yahoo - WOW! What a wonderful treat! - Joni's performances are transcendant. She looks beautiful and sounds even better. Herbie and band are incredible. Anybody know how to save this to a DVD minus the Nissan ads? The only sour note (literally) for me was Sonya Kitchell. Dreadful version of All I Want and flat harmonizing on Hana. Sorry. I just don't get her. Coleen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:35:15 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: slide show on Yahoo Haven't listened to the music yet, but looked at the slide show. Joni's painting her dog. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:10:54 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: slide show on Yahoo Good catch Deb....so I guess Coco was allowed on the set too! lol ~rosie **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:34:35 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: RE: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? Okay, I did listen to Hanna. I'm not a big fan of Shine as of yet, but am I incorrect that is it Sonya Kitchell on "harmony"? I use that term in quotes because it was completely disturbing the notes she was singing for the chorus "Hanna." Egad, I thought my ears would bleed! Like the worst of American Idol auditions! I'll listen to another one after a while ... sort of mete it out for myself! Lindsay _____ From: RoseMJoy@aol.com [mailto:RoseMJoy@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:21 PM To: moonlj@san.rr.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? It doesn't appear to be up there as of yet Lindsay :~( Here is the link though... http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706 ~rosie _____ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:16:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Herbie & Joni on Yahoo - WOW! Joni looks and sounds glorious. What an amazing treat for us all. I smell a fabulous DVD release in the offing. Jerry Coleen wrote: > What a wonderful treat! - Joni's performances are transcendant. She > looks beautiful and sounds even better. Herbie and band are > incredible. Anybody know how to save this to a DVD minus the Nissan ads? > > The only sour note (literally) for me was Sonya Kitchell. Dreadful > version of All I Want and flat harmonizing on Hana. Sorry. I just > don't get her. > > Coleen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? As a Media Librarian it REALLY bothers me that they couldn't even spell Hana correctly on the Yahoo site. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:28:52 -0700 From: Subject: Joni and Herbie up and running now! I'm on digest but just wanted to remind that today's the day to view the Herbie/Joni concert! Here is a straight link to Joni singing the incredible Herbie-ized River in her Judgement of the Moon and Stars dress and much more. And SURPRISE - there is a close-up shot of our Lesli and Pete at around 3:07! Just started watching and it is sweet! http://new.music.yahoo.com/livesets/Herbie-Hancock--36678026&vid=58781214 Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:06:15 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gross" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt > --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344210,00.html >> >> Another excerpt from the upcoming Sheila Weller book. >> Supposedly "Car On A Hill" is based on her relationship with >> Jackson >> Browne which almost caused her to take her life in 1972. >> >> Bob > > < Tuesday, April 01, 2008 > By Roger Friedman > Mitchell was so despondent that Weller says she told friends of > a "suicide attempt." > > Weller writes: "One confidante says '[Joni] took pills. She cut > herself > up and threw herself against a wall and got completely bloodied  > glass > broke. She vomited up the pills.'" > > The incident, Weller says, is recalled in Mitchell's song, "Car on a > Hill," the stark number from Joni's watershed album, "Court and > Spark." This sounds like gossip and hearsay to me. No definite source is cited and the reference to 'Car on a Hill' is just plain silly. And quite frankly, after eveything else she had been through up to that point of her life, I just can't see Joni trying to off herself over Jackson Browne. However, the incident of Jackson striking her might have some credence to it. I've always wondered about the line 'cheaters, woman-beaters and Huck Finn shucksters hoppin' parking meters' from 'Lucky Girl'. It also fits the whole 'Not to Blame' speculation. But suicide? You think I should buy you a car? Why? Because Elvis did? Oh, come on. Although I have never met Joni, my gut feeling about her is that underneath the sensitivity and vulnerability is a core of steel. She has always had that inner strength. I just don't buy this and my hopes for the quality of this book have become somewhat dimmed. Mark in Seattle who doesn't really care who 'Coyote' is about but who has been listening to 'Hejira' quite a bit in his car lately and gaining a whole new appreciation for it that he may write about one of these days. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:12:50 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Lavieri" To: "Monika Bogdanowicz" Cc: "Joni people!" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt > There is nothing about Joni that rings untrue in this. > > If it is fact, in a book, not just trying to pander, then it may be > inspiration to some that once can survive every the most desparate > of times. > > We have all felt the tragic in Joni's work, that is one reason her > music > touches us so deeply in our own wounded places. > > Vince While I don't disagree with the message of helping others you convey in your post, Vince, we have also all felt Joni's strength in her work, not just the tragic. I'm sorry, I don't buy the story and unless a credible source for it comes forward or we get it straight from Joni herself, I don't see myself buying it. It just rings a tad too sensational to me. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:23:28 -0500 From: mia _ Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt Oh, this is so sad! I didn't think Joni was going out with Browne long enough to develop a heavy relationship. He must have been really abusive and probably played with her head, too. Isn't the song "Not to Blame" also about Browne? And now I'm wondering about the song "Electricity" with the line "breakdown of this century." This doesn't make sense: <> I guess I'm not understanding why she had to move out of Geffen's place. Is it because of the Browne crowd hanging out there? <<... And "People's Parties," the song that precedes it, is about Mitchell's brief adventure with Beatty in his life of "Shampoo"-era socializing up on Mulholland Drive with Jack Nicholson and pals.>> That would confirm that Jack Nicholson is indeed "Jack behind his joker" then! :) Mia _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ getintouch_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni´s suicide attempt Hmm, well I also don't see any connection between that song and a suicide attempt. The speaker (or Joni or whatever) does sound really desperate though(not desperate as in pathetic but desperate as in feeling extreme anguish) because her lover has not shown up. However, would something like that alone cause someone to attempt suicide? No. No one incident or one person is enough cause for someone to attempt or commit suicide. Someone who is suicidal is generally depressed and no one situation necessarily causes it so. Let's just say Joni was depressed at that time, I'm sure the breakup would add to it but it wouldn't trigger a depression all by itself. It just doesn't work that way. Someone who is clinically depressed can indeed have a *super* life to an outsider's eye. It is all in the thinking of someone who is depressed--feelings of hopelessness, worthlessness, etc etc that don't necessarily have anything to do with the outside world (though certainly negative event after negative event can take its toll). We do know Joni has admitted suffering from depression though. She also does seem to be a very, very sensitive person. She seemed to have loved and lost hard for one. She's never mentioned a suicide attempt before however. In fact, in Mojo (which was fairly recent) she disses Sylvia Plath and says that she doesn't find suicide "chic." Of course this is years later but who really knows? I think it'd be interesting if Joni were to respond to this suicide attempt to the public so we could all be at ease then. I know if I was interviewing her, I'd ask a couple of things from the book. I also wonder what Jackson Browne said when Joni said he "dissed" her on stage. And as for men who hit women, don't even get me started. Men who hit women (and don't realize the ills of their ways and get help for it) are scum. There is no reason to strike a woman. No. Not. Ever. -M - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:55:47 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Herbie & Joni's show on Yahoo Herbie's show with Joni's is finally up on Yahoo at: http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706 I haven't had a chance to view it yet, I'm looking forward to savoring it tomorrow when I have the time to sit and enjoy it... maybe do a little dancing in my den. Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #4 ******************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe