From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #498 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 25 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 498 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Happy Easter from Bo ["Anita Tedder" ] Earth Hour [Mark-Leon Thorne ] SV: Earth Hour ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: SV: Earth Hour [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: SV: Earth Hour [Catherine McKay ] Listening to Shine ["William Elliott" ] Re: Shine Listening [rian afriadi ] Joni as a mystic ["Anita Tedder" ] Joni mention [Dave Blackburn ] Total Shine listenings. [Russell Bowden ] Re: Joni Mitchell thong [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni mention [djp ] Re: Man From Mars ["Steve T." ] Re: Joni Mitchell thong ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Joni Mitchell thong [Victor Johnson ] Re: Joni Mitchell thong [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Shine Listening & a Trip to Joni's Chelsea "Home" [PassScribe@aol.com] re: Obama double standard [David Eoll ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:26:45 -0000 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Re: Happy Easter from Bo Bo, you wrote: "Hello to everyone! I've been missing for a few months...from everyone..myself included...missing in these creepy reflections of past actions and the prices paid....you know what I mean...the "what ifs"." Bo, sounds like you've been having a really hard time. Do take good care. You also mention "And I've been thinking...I really don't want to meet Joni...as overwhelming a moment as that may be...it would only be a snap-shot." I know I've shared this before here, but what my experience on the two occasions I met her was how down to earth and ordinary she was. I know lots of people on the list have met Joni and would probably concur. I was quite afraid I'd fall down with feeling overwhelmed the first time, but she had a really awful cold and we simply talked about cold remedies. There was just me, my partner Steph, Larry Klein and Joni outside the Hotel Warwick in Paris and we chatted for ages. I imagined I might fall over trying to explain how hearing 'I think I understand' was the most important moment in my life, but I ended up telling her about The Importance of Vick Vapour Rub! She even offered to take a photo of me, Steph and Larry and I said No, it was all fine. I could have had a photo taken BY Joni - and I said no, it was just lovely to chat and it looked like she needed an early night! You also say "I think about Joni and what she must feel as she works through the events in her life using her extraordinary and multiple talents." There's not too ways about how many of us here on the list have been likewise supported and helped in our darkest moments by Joni's 'extraordinary and multiple talents' but I have also helped by meeting her ordinariness. I wonder if that's what also sustains her - her ability to be ordinary as well as a mystic. Perhaps a requirement for mysticism is to be down to earth. You mention Tibet - well, the Dalai Lama has such a quality of the down to earth and ordinary, I feel. He really does have a wonderful, deep laugh (when things aren't as grim as they are at the moment). So, in my darkest times when I have felt: "it's being unable to really climb up the ladder from sandy, gritty darkness to take a wee look into the light, only to read such crap, that keeps me retreating to the safety under the covers, safe from the sunlight and waiting for the night...the safety of darkness...know what I mean?" Didn't someone write 'People will tell you where they've gone, they'll tell you where to go but till you get there yourself, you never really know." So I know this may only only work for me and I know we all have to find our own ways back from darkness, but these days I try to do the most simple and ordinary things I can and things that bring back to here and now. In my younger days, I'd play more Joni (and Dory Previn at that time), drink or do some drug or indulge in other really dangerous and risky behaviours. What seems to work for me these days are gardening, cooking and cleaning. Several folk have helped me with that - and a big help to me was ordinary, down to earth Joni with her snotty cold! Wishing you, Bo, and all on this list Peace, Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:54:28 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Earth Hour Hello people. Just a reminder that Earth Hour is on again next Friday for the second year. Sorry for the no NJC tag but I'm sure this is a cause Joni would support. It is an initiative by the Australian organisation, World Wildlife Fund. The idea is that everybody (including businesses) switch off lights and non essential electricals for one hour to save on greenhouse gases. It started last year in Sydney with 2.2 million people and 2,100 businesses turning off the lights for one hour at 8PM which is the equivalent of shutting down 48,616 cars. It was such a success that other cities are joining in this year. The cities involved are: Aalborg, Aarhus, Adelaide, Atlanta, Bankok, Brisbane, Canberra, Chicago, Christchurch, Copenhagen, Dublin, Manila, Melbourne, Montreal, Odense, Ottawa, Perth, Phoenix, San Francisco, Suva and Lautoka, Sydney, Tel Aviv, Toronto and Vancouver. http://www.earthhour.org Shine on... Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:38:03 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Earth Hour Hi Mark, thanks for the link! I see from it that the time for Copenhagen is 8pm next Saturday (29th). I'm in even though I don't live in Copenhagen but close enough. How about you, Bene? And Odd? Of course this will mean that the jmdl will be very quiet for a hour at different times next weekend:-) Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Mark-Leon Thorne Skickat: den 24 mars 2008 10:54 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Earth Hour Hello people. Just a reminder that Earth Hour is on again next Friday for the second year. Sorry for the no NJC tag but I'm sure this is a cause Joni would support. It is an initiative by the Australian organisation, World Wildlife Fund. The idea is that everybody (including businesses) switch off lights and non essential electricals for one hour to save on greenhouse gases. It started last year in Sydney with 2.2 million people and 2,100 businesses turning off the lights for one hour at 8PM which is the equivalent of shutting down 48,616 cars. It was such a success that other cities are joining in this year. The cities involved are: Aalborg, Aarhus, Adelaide, Atlanta, Bankok, Brisbane, Canberra, Chicago, Christchurch, Copenhagen, Dublin, Manila, Melbourne, Montreal, Odense, Ottawa, Perth, Phoenix, San Francisco, Suva and Lautoka, Sydney, Tel Aviv, Toronto and Vancouver. http://www.earthhour.org Shine on... Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:46:15 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: SV: Earth Hour Oops. Yes, I meant to say, Saturday at 8PM. You don't have to be in one of those cities to participate. Check out the website. I remember last year how extraordinary it was to see the whole city in darkness. I'm just glad some airplane didn't fly into the Sydney Harbour Bridge. It was amazing to see the skyscrapers go dark too. I guess they would be shamed if they left their lights on for the world to see. The Sydney Opera House in darkness was incredible too. Usually for special events, they throw more lights on it. Go on, Oddmund, dim the way for Oslo. I noticed, the UK is not involved. What's with that? Mark in Sydney On 24/03/2008, at 9:38 PM, Marion Leffler wrote: > Hi Mark, > thanks for the link! I see from it that the time for Copenhagen is > 8pm next > Saturday (29th). I'm in even though I don't live in Copenhagen but > close > enough. How about you, Bene? And Odd? > Of course this will mean that the jmdl will be very quiet for a > hour at > different times next weekend:-) > > Marion > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr > Mark-Leon > Thorne > Skickat: den 24 mars 2008 10:54 > Till: joni@smoe.org > Dmne: Earth Hour > > Hello people. Just a reminder that Earth Hour is on again next Friday > for the second year. Sorry for the no NJC tag but I'm sure this is a > cause Joni would support. It is an initiative by the Australian > organisation, World Wildlife Fund. The idea is that everybody > (including businesses) switch off lights and non essential > electricals for one hour to save on greenhouse gases. It started last > year in Sydney with 2.2 million people and 2,100 businesses turning > off the lights for one hour at 8PM which is the equivalent of > shutting down 48,616 cars. It was such a success that other cities > are joining in this year. > The cities involved are: Aalborg, Aarhus, Adelaide, Atlanta, Bankok, > Brisbane, Canberra, Chicago, Christchurch, Copenhagen, Dublin, > Manila, Melbourne, Montreal, Odense, Ottawa, Perth, Phoenix, San > Francisco, Suva and Lautoka, Sydney, Tel Aviv, Toronto and Vancouver. > > http://www.earthhour.org > > Shine on... > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:02:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: Earth Hour - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > I remember > last year how extraordinary it was to see the whole > city in darkness. > I'm just glad some airplane didn't fly into the > Sydney Harbour > Bridge. It was amazing to see the skyscrapers go > dark too. I guess > they would be shamed if they left their lights on > for the world to > see. I'm looking forward to it. I live downtown and there are always lights on all around. I'm pretty sure that most of the office buildings in Toronto are participating. I know mine is. I hope it's a clear night because I want to sit out on my balcony and see stars in the sky. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:25:12 -0700 From: "William Elliott" Subject: Listening to Shine When Shine was released last fall, I was -- after listening to it a few times -- quite disappointed. But, however much I may try, JM is, to me, something like a siren and I cannot ignore her. Over the last few months, I've played Shine in the car, to and from work, and I've really come to love it. My only complaints are: BYT seems an unnecessary filler and the half-baked lyrics of STRONG. My transformation illustrates how JM's music requires repeated listening over time to form a full appreciation. In 1981, when I first listened to Hejira, I couldn't get past Coyote and Ameila because everything else on the album sounded, to my uninitiaited, adolescent ears, similar and unformed. But, after a few concentrated listenings, it struck me like a revelation and, twenty seven years later, I'm still listening to it. Shine on the pioneers... Click for free information on accounting careers, $150/hour potential.

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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:03:21 -0000 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Joni as a mystic I wrote: "There's not too ways about how many of us here on the list have been likewise supported and helped in our darkest moments by Joni's 'extraordinary and multiple talents' but I have also helped by meeting her ordinariness. I wonder if that's what also sustains her - her ability to be ordinary as well as a mystic." Well, I was writing all this about being down to earth and ordinary this morning in a very well meaning but rather intense way and so I go downstairs for a cup of coffee with my dear beloved Steph. There I am - all heart felt, feeling touched and moved and I talk AT Steph (who has just come in from the garden and is making the coffee) and I say 'What do you think of Joni? Do you reckon she is a mystic?' She carries on putting the coffee in the pot and goes to get some milk and, as she comes back, says 'Mmmmmm. Now, tell me again. What was all that about Joni and her lipstick?' Lol and lol again! There I am looking for my down to earth....I live with her! Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:11:28 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Joni mention We've been engrossed in watching the entire West Wing series on DVD and in Season Five the deputy head of NASA is trying to get the White House deputy communication director Josh Lyman excited about putting a man on Mars. She has him look through a telescope at the Orion nebula and she tells him "this is where stars are born. I guess Joni Mitchell was right; we really are stardust..." Dave > And there's also a Joni mention in "Into The Wild" which I watched > last night - the scene in Slab City when Raney encourages Alex/ > Chris to go talk to the young singer/songwriter across the lot, > referring to her as "our Joni Mitchell". > > Always fun to see/hear a Joni reference when it's not expected. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:29:15 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Total Shine listenings. Gang, Good question...I received Shine for Christmas and have listened to it app 5 times...Like I said earlier...I've heard most of this before and it was much better the first time(s) around. Love, Russ _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:14:58 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thong Rad and fad and in-betweens, and feeling sexy in my jeans And sometimes worn by even Queens I've looked at thongs that way But now I'm going to take them back They hurt my crotch, they ride my crack and left some unappealing tracks I'm sending them away I've looked at thongs from both sides now From "Ooooo" to "Ewwwww", and still somehow, It's thong's illusion I recall I really can't wear thongs at all Bob NP: Damien Rice, "Accidental Babies" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:23:56 -0400 From: djp Subject: Re: Joni mention Odd how they didn't use a reference to the conquered moon. djp Dave Blackburn wrote: > We've been engrossed in watching the entire West Wing series on DVD and > in Season Five the deputy head of NASA is trying to get the White House > deputy communication director Josh Lyman excited about putting a man on > Mars. She has him look through a telescope at the Orion nebula and she > tells him "this is where stars are born. I guess Joni Mitchell was > right; we really are stardust..." > > Dave > >> And there's also a Joni mention in "Into The Wild" which I watched >> last night - the scene in Slab City when Raney encourages Alex/Chris >> to go talk to the young singer/songwriter across the lot, referring to >> her as "our Joni Mitchell". >> >> Always fun to see/hear a Joni reference when it's not expected. >> >> Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:24:51 +0000 From: "Steve T." Subject: Re: Man From Mars Nice to hear this song mentioned. Was always struck by the deep sense of loss Joni portays in it. Oh and the ref. to an earlier song is nice: 'And the wiring in the walls' Any guesses? Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:15:00 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thong Well I had to have one and that's that! It'll be shipped in 7-9 days - but don't expect any pictures in the profile section of jmdl.com! db >>> Monika Bogdanowicz 3/24/2008 1:44 PM >>> I bet you never thought you'd see "thong" and "Joni Mitchell" in the same phrase, no? Anyway, I was browsing through cafepress.com for Joni buttons/stickers that maybe I will buy in the future (particularly the "what would Joni do?" one) and came across the "Both Sides Now" thong: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/search/design_prod2.aspx?q=joni+mitchell&rn=&ru=&p=smallhands.208968601&pNo=208968601&id=22651972&fpt=&opt=&c=0&pg= Who would have thought such a thing even existed? Granted they have this "Both Sides Now" theme on regular ol' things like shirts, bags, and so forth. -M - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. - ------------------- Text.htm follows -------------------

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------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:50:03 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thong Would you wear it on a boat with a goat, Would you wear it in a box with a fox? Would you wear it in a pond with a duck? Victor ; On Mar 24, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Donna Binkley wrote: > Well I had to have one and that's that! It'll be shipped in 7-9 > days - > but don't expect any pictures in the profile section of jmdl.com! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell thong Joni said in a 1999 interview that the following verses were some of the original verses of Both Sides Now. However, she wrote those verses a year before writing the rest of the song and felt like she was in a "different" place a year after so she decided not to include them. -M Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Rad and fad and in-betweens, and feeling sexy in my jeans And sometimes worn by even Queens I've looked at thongs that way But now I'm going to take them back They hurt my crotch, they ride my crack and left some unappealing tracks I'm sending them away I've looked at thongs from both sides now From "Ooooo" to "Ewwwww", and still somehow, It's thong's illusion I recall I really can't wear thongs at all Bob NP: Damien Rice, "Accidental Babies" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. ------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:45:05 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine Listening & a Trip to Joni's Chelsea "Home" > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: Shine listening > > Well it's been a little while now since Shine was released. That being > said, when was the last time you listened to it? Just curious. > -M > Well, I actually have listened to it a few times since it was released and just sat down a few nights ago specifically to listen to it (on a night when I was home alone) so I could really absorb it. My initial reaction was less than overwhelmed when it first came out; I really loved "One Week Last Summer" and "If I Had A Heart" the most (and still do). Upon repeated listens (and confirmed the other night), I must admit that I like the first half most ("Hana" and "Bad Dreams" have really grown on me). Out of the second half, I'm drawn most to "Night of The Iguana" and, to a lessor degree, "Strong & Wrong." I didn't like the title track from day one and still don't, and still don't understand the need for the latest incarnation of "Big Yellow Taxi.' Speaking of Big Yellow Taxis, Ro & I went into Manhattan on Sunday (Easter dinner at Wo Hops... yeah, that's right!) and I visited the old Joni "hangin' out" places. The "Tin Angel" may be gone but The Bitter End is still there and the space that the Tin Angel occupied is still there. I also visited 41 W. 16th Street- the building where Joni had an apartment, where she reportedly wrote "Chelsea Morning." I was hoping to see a doorman (there is none) or someone going in or out of the building 'cause I was going to ask them if they knew which apartment had been Joni's and maybe wrangle a "peek" inside. Outside the building, leaning against the wall of an adjoining building, was an old mattress; as I took a picture of Joni's old place, Ro said, "Ken, maybe that's the mattress JONI SLEPT ON!" As you can see, Ro sometimes accompanies me on my crazy little trips but mixes her sense of humor with a bit of good-natured sarcasm. If anyone would like photos from this trip emailed to them, let me know. Kenny B ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00 030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:24:38 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: re: Obama double standard From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NJC Obama > it is all very silly to be tied to someone else's words. This brings up an important point. Namely, the double standard that Obama is being held to. Horrible, intolerant, and IMHO far worse statements are uttered by white evangelicals all the time. And white politicians (Republicans mostly) who associate with them are rarely called upon to renounce, or even distance themselves from, these statements. Never mind turn their backs forever upon the person who uttered them. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell say that 9/11 was God's punishment for our toleration of homosexuality, feminism, and other sins. Yes, yes, I know that Wright has made the claim that America brought 9/11 on itself. But, his claim is that it was the actions of the US Government that we elected that led to 9/11. And sure enough, bin Laden himself has named specific actions by the US Government as his justification for launching that attack and others against the US. Even the US intelligence community acknowledges the effect of our actions abroad causing unforeseen retaliation against us. They call it 'blowback'. The white evangelicals, on the other hand, specifically blame the victims. They were killed because of their wickedness, because they tolerated gays, and abortion, and blah, blah, blah. A perfect recent example is John Hagee who regularly denounces gays, catholics, and other groups, and blames Hurricane Katrina on the wickedness of the people of New Orleans. And he endorses John McCain. In fact, McCain specifically asked for his endorsement. Not only has no one demanded that McCain throw Hagee under the bus, McCain still makes campaign appearances with Hagee (he needs those votes). He actually shares a stage with him, gets his picture taken, etc. And apparently that's okay. McCain has ignored it and that's that, it was hardly a speed bump, never mind derailing his campaign the way Obama's is being derailed (his polls are taking a beating because of this). Total double standard. I posted a whole other message debating whether Wright's words are defensible or indefensible, but that's beside the point here. The point being that its odd that this new rule that politicians are responsible for the words of their pastors suddenly comes into effect only when a black Democrat is involved. Funny how that is. Respectfully, David Eoll ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #498 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)