From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #494 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, March 21 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 494 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: joni, the muse ["Steve T." ] Re: Joni's "hanging out" days [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Joni's "hanging out" days [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Hadn't heard this one before... ["Les Irvin" ] ncj, Ev'rybody's talking 'bout Minister, when all we are saying.... [Patt] SV: Hadn't heard this one before... ["Marion Leffler" ] SV: SV: Hadn't heard this one before... ["Marion Leffler" ] Hadn't heard this one before... ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: mystery child on back of DJRD ["Randy Remote" ] Shiny sheet music. [John ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:23:27 +0000 From: "Steve T." Subject: Re: joni, the muse Oh love this photo - so natural. Yeah the baby haha! It actually made me think of Crosby's little anecdote which I think I read in the "Both Sides Now" biog. He would 'roll one up' and get Joni to play for other musicians. Come to think of it, he might be offering the photographer one here... I should send this to my father, who is a big fan of Clapton but always dismissed Joni's talent. Steve - ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:28:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: Re: joni, the muse > > Even the baby is mesmerized! I'm only kidding but in all seriousness, > Joni is very much a musician's musician. I think I have read somewhere that > during that hangout time (whatever you want to call it) Eric Clapton was > very much concentrating on what Joni was doing--watching her fingers trying > to figure out what she was doing. Yeah, Eric Clapton trying to figure out > what Joni was doing on guitar! > I've got to say all those late 60's days of Joni hanging out with > _______ (fill in the blank) seemed like they would have been a good > time. Whenever I read about the little "community" they had back in that > day (Laurel Canyon and all) I'm a little envious I'm not a part of a little > community myself. It just isn't the same nowdays I would imagine. > -M > > David Eoll wrote: > I keep getting drawn back to this picture that I linked to the other day > in a post: > http://tinyurl.com/2lzztn > > And I just find it remarkable. Joni is often referred to as "a > musician's musician", evidenced by jazz genius Herbie Hancock's recent > tribute to her music. And here we have visual evidence of the same. > Joni serenading two of the biggest guys in rock music in the late 60s. > Clapton in particular was almost universally acknowledged as one of the > best rock/blues guitar players then. And he is obviously mesmerized by > her. Okay, maybe its the acid, but still, he's totally digging her. > > Wishing I was EC right there, > David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:49:27 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's "hanging out" days In a message dated 3/20/08 2:03:44 AM, Monika writes: > I've got to say all those late 60's days of Joni hanging out with _______ > (fill in the blank) seemed like they would have been a good time. Whenever I > read about the little "community" they had back in that day (Laurel Canyon > and all) I'm a little envious I'm not a part of a little community myself. It > just isn't the same nowdays I would imagine. > -M > Yes, Monika, I would have loved to be a part of THOSE days... or even a "fly on the wall." But I think we all have our "hanging out days"... they're just not always thought of as "important" until we get older. And we can't plan it... those memorable events just have to "happen" on their own. Of course, not all of us have "days" that compare to what happened in Laurel Canyon in the 1960's. You know, we've got our own little "community" right here and, while I've had some good times to remember in my early days, the more recent times I've spent at JoniFests rank right up there with the best of them. And that "Night In The City" - the night after the Carnegie Hall Tribute show in NYC- is one of my most memorable. Kenny B ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00 030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:27:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni's "hanging out" days True that, as some say. However, our community here is most of the time limited to the net. Sure we've got our Jonifests (I went last year but am crushed there is no Northeast one this year) which have wonderful memories...and everyone means well and seems connected in a way but it isn't the same. There's no adjacent house to me where I could just bring my guitar over and play someone my songs, with no intentions (I mean I play songs at shows but with the intention of being at a show entertaining and so forth). I've got no one to just share songs with or jam just for jamming sake---and by no one I mean not just some random stranger who I found through a musician ad (which I have done when forming bands in the past) but an actual friend who happens to be a musician as well. I've got "musician friends," people who I've played shows with who I know and get along with but no actual kinship with any of those people. They're generally too flaky to have a real friendship with where there would be a bond through music and companionship. It seems in Joni's "hanging out" days, she really had these at the time. Sure, the drugs and the general hippy, happy feeling of "love everyone" probably helped but still it existed. Not to say I don't have times where I hangout with people or with friends or whatever but there is no actual connection generally speaking. I don't know if it is the people I know or the age I am at but almost 95% of the people I do know are flaky and unreliable. Sure, fun to hang out with every now and again but I wouldn't expect anything from them. -Monika PassScribe@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/20/08 2:03:44 AM, Monika writes: You know, we've got our own little "community" right here and, while I've had some good times to remember in my early days, the more recent times I've spent at JoniFests rank right up there with the best of them. And that "Night In The City" - the night after the Carnegie Hall Tribute show in NYC- is one of my most memorable. Kenny B ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:06:42 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Hadn't heard this one before... March 20, 1968: Eric Clapton, Richie Furay, Jim Messina and Neil Young are all arrested at Joni Mitchell's house on charges of possessing marijuana. http://rockmine.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/today-in-music-march-20th/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:15:23 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: ncj, Ev'rybody's talking 'bout Minister, when all we are saying.... (C'mon) Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout Minister, Sinister, Banisters and Canisters, Bishops, Fishops, Rabbis, and Pop Eyes, Bye bye, Bye byes All we are saying is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance (Let me tell you now) Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout Revolution, Evolution, Masturbation, Flagellation, Regulation, Integrations, mediations, United Nations, congratulations All we are saying is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance And if this gives you an earworm, I have no regrets, Coyotes! Love & Peace, Patti (& John) _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:39:52 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Hadn't heard this one before... And Joni herself wasn't? Strange... - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Les Irvin Skickat: den 20 mars 2008 17:07 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Hadn't heard this one before... March 20, 1968: Eric Clapton, Richie Furay, Jim Messina and Neil Young are all arrested at Joni Mitchell's house on charges of possessing marijuana. http://rockmine.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/today-in-music-march-20th/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: SV: Hadn't heard this one before... Perhaps one of the guys took Joni's pot and the blame for it? Anyhow, I believe this was the time where Stephen Stills was present but when the cops came in he somehow snuck through a window and avoided arrest. I believe Neil Young was very, very angry about Stephen's move. -Monika Marion Leffler wrote: And Joni herself wasn't? Strange... - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Les Irvin Skickat: den 20 mars 2008 17:07 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Hadn't heard this one before... March 20, 1968: Eric Clapton, Richie Furay, Jim Messina and Neil Young are all arrested at Joni Mitchell's house on charges of possessing marijuana. http://rockmine.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/today-in-music-march-20th/ - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:59:51 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni 74 dvd Currently on dimeadozen : Joni Mitchell with Tom Scott and the LA Express Old Grey Whistle Test 1974-11-19 Broadcast Date 1974-04-22 Performance Date NTSC DVD This should take your mind off politics Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:46:04 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: Hadn't heard this one before... Yes, maybe her friends were that protective. Still, it adds a dimension to her hanging out days. It cant have been a pleasant experience, having cops come to your house to arrest your friends. Marion _____ Fren: Monika Bogdanowicz [mailto:motitan75@yahoo.com] Skickat: den 20 mars 2008 19:51 Till: Joni people!; Marion Leffler Dmne: Re: SV: Hadn't heard this one before... Perhaps one of the guys took Joni's pot and the blame for it? Anyhow, I believe this was the time where Stephen Stills was present but when the cops came in he somehow snuck through a window and avoided arrest. I believe Neil Young was very, very angry about Stephen's move. - -Monika Marion Leffler wrote: And Joni herself wasn't? Strange... - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Les Irvin Skickat: den 20 mars 2008 17:07 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Hadn't heard this one before... March 20, 1968: Eric Clapton, Richie Furay, Jim Messina and Neil Young are all arrested at Joni Mitchell's house on charges of possessing marijuana. http://rockmine.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/today-in-music-march-20th/ _____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:44:52 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Eric Clapton/Joni/The Laurel Canyon Scene Odd that there was discussion of the Henry Diltz photo with Joni, Crosby and Eric Clapton and then Les found this link: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:06:42 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Hadn't heard this one before... March 20, 1968: Eric Clapton, Richie Furay, Jim Messina and Neil Young are all arrested at Joni Mitchell's house on charges of possessing marijuana. http://rockmine.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/today-in-music-march-20th/ If you read farther down, it cites that on this day (March 20) in 1991 Eric Clapton's son Conor fell to his death in NYC. Tragic. I just read EC's autobiography and was hoping to find a word or two on his impressions of Joni, but sad to say there were none. I'd love to know his remembrances of meeting and hearing her in that time (if he wasn't too stoned.) Amazing he lived through what he did. And amazing to read how shy and insecure he can be about his musical abilities when he feels intimidated by other performers. Here he is thought to be *the* guitar god and he's nearly apoplectic backstage at the Us festival I think it was, listening to the acts before him and thinking he wouldn't be good enough. Ha. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:00:31 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: SV: Hadn't heard this one before... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" To: "Joni people!" ; "Marion Leffler" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: SV: Hadn't heard this one before... > Perhaps one of the guys took Joni's pot and the blame for it? > Anyhow, I believe this was the time where Stephen Stills was present > but when the cops came in he somehow snuck through a window and > avoided arrest. I believe Neil Young was very, very angry about > Stephen's move. > -Monika > > Marion Leffler wrote: > And Joni herself wasn't? Strange... Everybody's saying that Hell's the hippest way to go Well I don't think so But I'm gonna Take a look around it though... I know Joni has admitted to doing her share of cocaine during the 70s but I wonder how much she participated otherwise in the whole drug scene. The above seems to imply that she was a spectator to a lot of things rather than a participant. Maybe. Maybe not, too. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:03:01 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: mystery child on back of DJRD > From: "Randy Remote" > Subject: Re: JMDL retrospective NJC > > From: "David Eoll" >>So, all of a sudden the past week, DJRD is, like, totally my new >>favorite Joni album. I've got a question. The kid on the back cover >>dressed like an indian. Is that who I think it might be? > > Yep. Steve Martin. I was actually thinking Stephen Hawking. Seriously, anyone know if its Joni as a child. I can't tell. Cheers, David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:48:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Hadn't heard this one before... LOL... me neither, Jimmy never told that story at our joni tribute... >Hadn't heard this one before... March 20, 1968: Eric Clapton, Richie Furay, Jim Messina and Neil Young are all arrested at Joni Mitchell's house on charges of possessing marijuana. http://rockmine.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/today-in-music-march-20th/< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:00:34 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: mystery child on back of DJRD >> From: "David Eoll" >>>So, all of a sudden the past week, DJRD is, like, totally my new >>>favorite Joni album. I've got a question. The kid on the back cover >>>dressed like an indian. Is that who I think it might be? >> >> Yep. Steve Martin. > > I was actually thinking Stephen Hawking. > > Seriously, anyone know if its Joni as a child. I can't tell. I would stake my reputation on it being her. No money, mind you. The eyes-the serious demeaner...it looks like her to me. Also, as you may already know, the black guy on the front is her, too. I guess there is a movie called Love in which she cavorts around in the same getup. The little boy is not her, to the best of my knowledge. RR ps I love this album-it might be my favorite ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:53:50 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: John Subject: Shiny sheet music. Well, am I the first kid on the block to pick up Shine, the music book??? If you're waiting for your order to complete, here's a tid-bit, the chords to "IF." C-G-Bb-Eb-F-Bb C-7-3-5-2-5 Chords: Cm7(4)---fret 12, 6-3-2 strings Ab(9)---fret 5, 5-4-3-2-1 strings Bb(9)---fret 7, 5-4-3-2-1 strings Chord progression Verse 1&2 Cm7 'If', Ab 'bout you', Bb 'people', Ab 'trust your-self', Bb 'when', Cm7 'body doubts you', Ab 'make allowance', Bb 'their doubt too', Cm7. Perhaps the most simple song progression Joni has ever written?????? - -She did say Shine was "Joni for dummies." I have about a tea-cup worth of musical understanding, so I'd yield to more accomplished musicians to expound on Joni's melodic sense. Still, from my un-informed observation, it has been interesting and curious to see the evolution of Joni's music through the years. For one, is she really able to speak of her music as 'ever evolving' anymore? Or did the mercurial Joni 'settle down' somewhere about say... Wild Things? While playing in 'fresh' open chords, her later music seems to hang closer to tradition progressions, although peppered with her curious twists and bends. I see Taming the Tiger being like this. There is less or little, it seems of those peculiar 'inbetween' chords, like the opening chords of Hejira coloring the mix. In some ways this seems very natural to me. For instance, she has often mentioned that the music she hears (in her head?) is 40's music. It is like she's mellowed a lot a lot. And the music is likewise more mellow. In a way, her vocal style is like a jazzy Bing Crosby. And if the laws of physics could be broken, I would give anything to hear Bing Crosby -a youngish Bing, sing the late work of Joni's, WITH Joni. I see the late Joni as crooner Joni. She has also mentioned the chords as being chords of Inquiry, and again I feel the lack of 'odd' chords reflects her drifting into an era where there are fewer and fewer unresolved issues in her life. The younger Joan was much on the move, often in love with some very fiery YOUNG men. I'm not saying she's out of questions, just that she's confronted so many of the questions in song... I doubt she's interested in begging the same questions again. My sense is that for Joni to delve into "Hejira-esque" territory or "Blue-ish" territory she will need some happenin', happenin' going on in her life to turn things inside out of what is now familiar territory of smokes, painting into the night and socializing with a 'set' company of friends. Perhaps the most interesting melodic progression is the opening to 'If I had a Heart.' I'm not saying she's lost it. In fact, I think she's being very sharp because she's using what the material needs. For now, she's in 'heart' mode where the songs lean to a kind of warmth, a place where the voice can carry more of the emotive character of the song. -I keep thinking back to the Joni/Herbie article as I marvel at phrasing of 'Tea Leaf.' She mentions getting "into" coming in and out on half-notes, or some such. And that song is proof in the pudding, cause every time I try to follow along, I can't quite 'get' where she's coming in on a word or phrase. It truly is one of the most remarkable rhythmic pieces she's ever, ever sung. So, yes I do think the singing is more complex now, more emotive. You could say 'technically', but I don't think Joni would say that. She'd call it leaning to one side of her spirit wheel. Away from the 'white race.' I also think part of the evolution has to do with her moving away from the guitar as the primary colorist of a song. I believe David Lahm has commented that Joni's melody/chord progression has taken a huge shift away from the non-traditional to familiar ground. I believe there's a chance it may come back, if she's healthy enough and lives long enough for the fight. -There are some monster of issues that await... Loss of loved ones, maybe reflections again on her relationships. If her world tips (good and bad), I think we may see more inquiry in her, more haunting those 'in between' chords, rather than the tonic and dominate movement. Just a thought... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #494 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)