From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #492 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, March 19 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 492 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The tenement castle [scrifton@cogeco.ca] Re: The Tenement Castle [RoseMJoy@aol.com] The Seeding of Summer Lawns, P.S. about vigils tomorrow [Patti Parlette <] Re: The Tenement Castle [PassScribe@aol.com] Austin Music Awards ["Happy The Man" ] Mingus' Autobiography ["Randy Remote" ] Re: The Seeding of Summer Lawns, P.S. about vigils tomorrow ["Randy Remot] Re: Obama in his own words [Jeannie ] Re: Previous elections (SJC at the end) [David Eoll ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:18:05 -0400 From: scrifton@cogeco.ca Subject: Re: The tenement castle The building is located at 100 W. Ferry St. in Detroit, although I don't know which apartment Joni lived in. (I have a cousin who lives nearby.) Here's a link to a photo of the building: http://campusvillagemanagement.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=51 Coleen On 17-Mar-08, at 11:04 PM, PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/15/08 2:02:48 AM, owner-onlyjoni- > digest@smoe.org writes: > > >>> Thanks, everyJonibody. Chuck. But of course! >>> >>> ... And >>> "tenement castle" -- LOL Bob! >>> Sitting there with their reel to reel... >> >> Yes, Joni and her king in their tenement castle in >> Chelsea NYC. The neighborhood still has some of those >> old apartments -- not much floor space, tall ceilings >> and big huge windows with wooden frames that rattle in >> the winter from the wind coming through. >> > Now, if somebody could find out where that tenement was, I'd love > to go > over to Manhattan and track it down/take some photos (like Mandolin > Bros.) > Anyone have any ideas? > > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:07:06 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tenement Castle Hi Kenny, Joni lived in the Chelsea district. I knew I had read this somewhere on JoniMitchell.com. There is a photograph of the old brownstone. _http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1369_ (http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1369) Rosie **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:10 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: The Seeding of Summer Lawns, P.S. about vigils tomorrow Hi Loves: I don't know if I have got a thing that's unique and new (probably not), but I'm sharing it just in case: http://www.waxy.org/archive/2008/02/29/joni_mit.shtml Okay, I'm hopping back up on the peace train. One-track/clickety clack mind today. Still lots to do for the vigils tomorrow: arrange a party for the press, make signs & banners in this manner, go bring your good friends too, and YKTMBM (Joni-speak for "etc.")! Love, Patti P. P.S. Find a vigil near you: http://www.5yearstoomany.org/article.php?list=type&type=5 (650 at that site) or moveon.org (861 at this one) _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:22:32 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tenement Castle In a message dated 3/18/08 6:07:06 AM, RoseMJoy writes: > Hi Kenny, > Joni lived in the Chelsea district. I knew I had read this somewhere on > JoniMitchell.com. There is a photograph of the old brownstone. > http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1369 > > Rosie > > Hi, Rose, Thanks a bunch for that info; I'm planning on going into the city this weekend and I will visit 41 W 16th Street & see if it's still there... they may have "paved paradise and put up a parking lot" (or condos) by now. I've also walked by The Bitter End many times over the years (on Bleeker Steet) but don't remember seeing The Tin Angel. I think The Bitter End building is still there but I think the venue is gone... I'll check that out as well. I'll report back with photos. Hopefully, some of the "Joni Connections" are still there. Kenny B ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:51:01 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Austin Music Awards As you can see below Will Taylor's Joni Tribute Album received a third place for him in the Austin Music Awards. Do a little Joni and you get noticed. *Record Producer* 1. *Mike McCarthy, Britt Daniel and Jim Eno; Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga; Spoon* 2. Mark Addison; Unrepentant Schizophrenic American; Guy Forsyth 3. Will Taylor; Back to the Garden; Will Taylor and Strings Attached 4. Mike McCarthy and Patty Griffin, Children Running Through; Patty Griffin 5. Fatty Carmello Trust; Noble Creatures; The Gourds 6. Dale Watson; Cradle to the Grave; Dale Watson 7. Stephen Doster; Little Tiny Secrets; Betty Soo 8. Derek O'Brien; On the Jimmy Reed Highway; Omar Kent Dykes & Jimmie Vaughan 9. Gordie Johnson; A Cup of Cold Poison, Grady 10. Gurf Morlix; Diamonds to Dust; Gurf Morlix NP: Rest and Relaxation as storms are coming through and surviving those late night SXSW shows. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:06:29 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Mingus' Autobiography I don't know if this has been discussed before- I just finished Charles Mingus' autobiography, "Beneath The Underdog". It was pretty weird (and that's coming from me)...not a whole lot about his music, his sexual exploits being topic number one. Some of it is downright pornographic. So I don't know if I would recommend this book, still I'm glad I read it, since it was very different, experimental, and thought provoking. Has anyone else read this? Of special interest to Joniheads are the opening pages, where he is talking to his shrink. Anyone familiar with the Mingus album will immediately recognize the words. 1 "In other words, I am three. One man stands forever in the middle, unconcerned, unmoved, watching, waiting to be allowed to express what he sees to the other two. The second man is like a frightened animal that attacks for fear of being attacked. Then there's an over- loving gentle person who lets people into the uttermost sacred temple of his being and he'll take insults and be trusting and sign contracts without reading them and get talked down to working cheap or for nothing, and when he realizes what's been done to him he feels like killing and destroying everything around him including himself for being so stupid. But he can't-he goes back inside himself." "Which one is real?" "They're all real." "The man who watches and waits, the man who attacks because he's afraid, and the man who wants to trust and love but retreats each time he finds himself betrayed. Mingus One, Two and Three. Which is the image you want the world to see?" "What do I care what the world sees, I'm only trying to find out how I should feel about myself. I can't change the fact that they're all against me-that they don't want me to be a success" .....(a few paragraphs later)..... "Man, you're crazy! I'm gonna save you." "You're not trained to save, I am." "I can save you. Do you believe in God?" "Yes." "As a boogie man?" RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:51:19 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: The Seeding of Summer Lawns, P.S. about vigils tomorrow From: "Patti Parlette" > I don't know if I have got a thing that's unique and new (probably not), > but I'm sharing it just in case: > http://www.waxy.org/archive/2008/02/29/joni_mit.shtml These HOSL demos might be new to some people. While I was checking it out, I ran across a good Manassas concert, stereo, Amsterdam '72. (downloadable mp3's) http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities08/ARmanholland.html The frustrating thing about the bio O website is that many of the concert MP3's have been taken down. Still, some good stuff there in the "of the week" part on the left. The Clapton Winwood concert from 3 weeks ago at MSG is there-haven't tried it yet (audience). Also Police, Miles, Zep, Hendrix w/Stills http://www.bigozine2.com/ RR Teachers Not Tanks! (they are laying teachers off like crazy here...dumb people make better slaves, poor people make more willing soldiers). Vigil in my little town tomorrow, that will be my sign. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Obama in his own words Cassy, this is the speech mack may be talking about. Jeannie David Plouffe wrote: NormaJean -- Barack Obama just finished a major speech on race in America and building a more perfect union. You should see it and read it for yourself. Here's the video and full text: http://my.barackobama.com/hisownwords Please forward this message to everyone you know. Thank you, David Paid for by Obama for America This email was sent to: dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com To unsubscribe, go to: http://my.barackobama.com/unsubscribe ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:39:17 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Previous elections (SJC at the end) > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: NJC Previous elections > > I supported Kerry although I couldn't vote > I remember the Bush-Gore showdown back when I was in high school. I > was in 10th or 11th grade I'm puzzled, Monika, that you were in high school in 2000, yet were still unable to vote in 2004. Did you skip some grades? > I can't remember a thing about Big Bush's Presidency as I was just too little to even care then or think about anything political! I clearly remember Papa Bush, who in some ways I think was the Cheney of the Reagan administration. That time corresponds to probably my most politically active period (I was at UMass-Amherst). The Bush family is absolutely toxic. I remember when Baby Bush first started to appear on the radar. The GOP and the press were talking up his candidacy as early as 1998. And I remember thinking, "OhMFG. He has a son?!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" Night of the Return of the Son of Evil Bush Part II. Yikes. Of course, it actually ended up being far worse than I could've possibly imagined. I actually miss Papa Bush now, and would gladly accept him back in the White House if it meant getting rid of Junior. I remember Hunter Thompson wrote before the 2004 election that he would gladly vote for Richard Nixon rather than see Bush win reelection. And if you've read any Thompson, you'd know that he thought that Nixon was a fascist pig. Bush. Worst. President. Ever. > Anyhow, after that ramble, I come to my question. It seems that the > Democratic Party is very divided in this race for the White House. In > fact it seems even some Republicans are frustrated in McCain as their > candidate. The whole country is divided, inspired, and a bit angry. > I hope, we can only hope, the Dem Party reunites in the end. But...my > question is this....is this division/anger common in elections or > something more particular to this election? I ask some of you folks > who know and remember the elections in the past. There is quite a bit > of anger targeted towards the opposing candidate on both sides (both > Hillary and Obama). Is this common or this election peculiar that > way? Its been quite awhile since there was a nominating contest this closely contested, for either party. The 1984 Democratic Primary was close between Mondale and Hart, as was the 1976 Republican Primary between Ford and Reagan. Although I remember both elections (we actually watched some of the GOP convention in my 4th grade class) I was too young to really care or pay much attention to relative levels of spite or anger. Jesse Jackson was a serious challenger to Dukakis in 1988, too, but Dukakis had a comfortable lead for most of the primary. I think the award for the scrappiest Democratic Primary has to go to the honest-to-goodness people-powered McGovern campaign. He was a true rock-the-boat anti-establishment candidate, and the contest went all the way to the convention. I think list-member Patti said she was a supporter of his campaign, and could probably tell you about the relative level of nastiness, or whatever. I know that some of McGovern's opponents used the slogan Acid, Amnesty, and Abortion against McGovern. Meaning that he was the candidate of hippies, feminists, and draft-dodgers. My view of that campaign is almost totally through the prism of Hunter Thompson's book about it, and like all HST's books, it was never meant to be objective. :) But if you want sheer acrimony that would make this year's primary look like a love-in, 1968 is the winner. The modern system of using primary elections to choose a nominee began in 1972. Before that, the primary season consisted of elections in a dozen or so states that were used mainly to gauge the various candidates' relative viability. Most states sent a slate of delegates to the national convention that were chosen by the various state parties' power-brokers. No popular elections were involved. None of us little people got to vote in those states. The nominee was chosen at the national convention by "horse-trading". Imagine it being like one of the state caucuses you've been reading about, but on a national level. Basically, all the delegates would make deals and alliances until a majority fell in behind one candidate. In 1968, the will of the people was clearly behind either anti-war candidate Eugene McCarthy and/or Bobby Kennedy. Bobby was, of course, murdered immediately after winning the California primary. While McCarthy and Kennedy had been out winning people's votes in the states which held elections, Vice President Hubert Humphrey had been out wooing the unelected delegates, mentioned above, in the majority of states that had no elections. Humphrey did not win a single primary, and if I'm not mistaken, didn't even run in most or all of them. Yet he had the most delegates (unelected) going into the convention. Even though McCarthy had the most popular support among the surviving candidates, the Democratic Party anointed pro-Vietnam War Humphrey in the convention in Chicago. Needless to say, there were people that were not happy about that. Many of them went to Chicago to register their displeasure with having absolutely no control over the selection of their nominee for president. And I'm sure there are documentaries you can watch on A&E, Monika, in which you will see thousands of people about your age getting the piss beaten out of them on national television by the Chicago Police Department. Oh, and Richard Daley, the Mayor of Chicago? He was a major Humphrey supporter. Anger? Nastiness? Yeah, it'll be hard to top that one. I've heard that an anti-war demonstration is being organized for the Democratic convention in Denver this summer. And one of the slogans being floated by the organizers is Recreate 68. ??????????!!!!!!!!!! Um... somebody should remind these clowns that NIXON WON IN 1968. And that the war went on for five more years. Why on earth would anybody want to recreate that? McCain has said he'd be fine with us being in Iraq for 100 years. Still want to recreate 68? Since this is a Joni list, and I mouth off way too much about politics, I'll take this opportunity to steer the topic back to Joni, albeit indirectly. A great song about Chicago 1968 is Chicago (We Can Change the World) by Graham Nash on his first solo album Songs For Beginners. Its a fantastic record. I highly recommend it to even casual fans of CSN. The opening track is absolutely killer: Military Madness. The album has several very poignant songs on it about his painful breakup with Joni. Very sweet. One of the songs, Simple Man, I believe he performed live for the first time with Joni in the audience. Anyone know anything about this? End the F***ing War, David NP: Graham Nash, Songs For Beginners. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #492 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)