From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #490 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, March 17 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 490 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Voice. [John ] Re: Joni's Voice. All kidding aside. [John ] SV: Joni's Voice. All kidding aside. ["Marion Leffler" ] judy collins on etown radio right now [Mags ] SJC re: Defending Madonna [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna... ["Mark L. Levinson" ] Joni in Paris 83 ["Laurent Olszer" ] FW: Herbie Hancock Announcement: Join Herbie For A Live Concert Taping ["] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:46:02 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: John Subject: Re: Joni's Voice. Queue Mendosa. Warm up the string section. I offer you: bYoubve Changed.b (with apologies to Bill Cary and Carl Fisher) Youbve changed. The high notes of your voice are gone. Your lungs can barely carry a song. Youbre breaking my heart. Youbve changed. Youbve changed. You hold your notes now half as long One check of a stopwatch, and itbs clearly wrong. Youbve changed. Your delusion rings false about singing. What is phrasing when your bAwkb grates with me? Emphysema is all that youbre bringing. We wish you could still yodell that Woodstock high bC.b Youbve changed. Those synth drums are hack as the strings. In the golden age before Larry and Geffen, you could truely sing. Youbve changed. See, that bmagical amountb youbre inhaling? How itbs tarnished the bell tones you sing. And youbve sunken to use alliteration! Webre helpless to ponder what your next record brings. Youbve changed. Youbre not the sixties folkie we once knew. That man in your throat just isnbt you. Itbs all over now. Youbve changed. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:33:40 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: John Subject: Re: Joni's Voice. All kidding aside. All kidding aside, I've said this before so I'll try and say it again -with a twist, I hope. I was listening to some of the ol' bootleg stuff with some really horrific 'live' yodelling at the end of Woodstock. I happened to looked up and my partner Rich was staring across the table this absolutely incredulous look on his face. I smiled and said matter of factly, "I don't like Joni Mitchell because she's perfect. I like Joni Mitchell because she's Joni Mitchell." When I met her, I was dumbstruck by how small she was physically. I imagined her being 10ft. tall. How was it possible all this artistry could come out of such a small -HUMAN- package?!?! There she was... just a person. Clearly no more 'perfect' than any other human being. Except... What other human being was going to provide me with the 'next' after Hejira? Who would follow that with Paprika Plains? What would follow that 'Wolf in Lindsey? You get my drift. There are a billion singers with better, clearer, stronger voices. Imacculate technique, brilliant. Brilliant singers. And when said singer writes and records the 'next' Shine, the next Slouching towards Bethlehem, the next Turbulent Indigo, I will sit up and take notice. Heck, 90% of all the great voices don't write anything at all, let alone the next 'Chinese Cafe.' You can have all the pretty voices the world over and I will take this woman above all else. She touches my heart like nothing else. It is the total package. Truth told, she was never a perfect singer. There are the bootleg tapes to prove it. Her voice, in every era of her singing has been at times flat, off-key, drifting in meter. (And I say this having yet to hear the infamous, B.B.King material....!) That relatively cigarette-free yodel at the end of Woodstock is not something to wish back to. What she's lost in strength and clarity has been balanced with a gained in emoting and phrasing. When I hear her voice, I am lost in the moment of hearing a friend who's voice I perhaps know better than any other human being in the world. She is my familiar friend and I accept who she is as she is. For me, record to record to record, it's all one incarnation. I would no more measure her against her past than I would hope my friends would great me against my past. "God. You sure run a lot slower than you did back in college. You certainly don't recover as quick as you did. Gee, your hair sure isn't what it was." I can't imagine looking at Rich thinking, "You've lost it." Ok, some people do look at their husband or wives and think, "Ughhhh. What a broken down slob they turned out to be." -So maybe I haven't picked the best analogy... Still, when I 'hear' her, what I most hear is a familiar friend returning to share a bit more of herself with me. And I understand the life journey isn't a flat line or an ever rising curve. There is the inevitable decay in all things. That is life. I am in it for the journey. And sure, one could say smoking isn't inevitable, that's true. But really, if you had made the choice of running more, I bet you'd inevitably look better than you do. Or had one less bon-bon, you'd look a sure lot sharper after all these years. We burn. We shine. We stop burning and we stop shining. I play Joni and nothing's 'changed' on the most essential level: I hear the voice of a friend returning. A friend who's journey has meant the world to me. Far from perfect, but that imperfection makes it all the more amazing and wonderful. How can someone as flawed as I, consistently rise to such heights? As fine as she ever was. Here's to hoping for one more. At least one more. Maybe two. j. Three??? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:13:11 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni's Voice. All kidding aside. Excellent posting, John (you had me a little worried with your previous one, though:-) I think you managed to put in words what many of us feel about Joni. Me, I loved her voice from the moment I first heard it (in 1970, Songs to a seagull and Clouds) and I still think she had the "best" voice I have ever heard, in popular music anyway. (There are some opera singers I grade higher than Joni). Mind you, I am not a musician nor do I know that much about professional singing. But to my ears, her voice was perfect. Her changed voice is still worth listening to but more for the way she sings than the sound of it, imo. She hasn't lost a bit of her ability to express feelings and touch my heart, on the contrary. Have a good Sunday, everybody, Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr John Skickat: den 16 mars 2008 10:34 Till: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Joni's Voice. All kidding aside. All kidding aside, I've said this before so I'll try and say it again -with a twist, I hope. I was listening to some of the ol' bootleg stuff with some really horrific 'live' yodelling at the end of Woodstock. I happened to looked up and my partner Rich was staring across the table this absolutely incredulous look on his face. I smiled and said matter of factly, "I don't like Joni Mitchell because she's perfect. I like Joni Mitchell because she's Joni Mitchell." When I met her, I was dumbstruck by how small she was physically. I imagined her being 10ft. tall. How was it possible all this artistry could come out of such a small -HUMAN- package?!?! There she was... just a person. Clearly no more 'perfect' than any other human being. Except... What other human being was going to provide me with the 'next' after Hejira? Who would follow that with Paprika Plains? What would follow that 'Wolf in Lindsey? You get my drift. There are a billion singers with better, clearer, stronger voices. Imacculate technique, brilliant. Brilliant singers. And when said singer writes and records the 'next' Shine, the next Slouching towards Bethlehem, the next Turbulent Indigo, I will sit up and take notice. Heck, 90% of all the great voices don't write anything at all, let alone the next 'Chinese Cafe.' You can have all the pretty voices the world over and I will take this woman above all else. She touches my heart like nothing else. It is the total package. Truth told, she was never a perfect singer. There are the bootleg tapes to prove it. Her voice, in every era of her singing has been at times flat, off-key, drifting in meter. (And I say this having yet to hear the infamous, B.B.King material....!) That relatively cigarette-free yodel at the end of Woodstock is not something to wish back to. What she's lost in strength and clarity has been balanced with a gained in emoting and phrasing. When I hear her voice, I am lost in the moment of hearing a friend who's voice I perhaps know better than any other human being in the world. She is my familiar friend and I accept who she is as she is. For me, record to record to record, it's all one incarnation. I would no more measure her against her past than I would hope my friends would great me against my past. "God. You sure run a lot slower than you did back in college. You certainly don't recover as quick as you did. Gee, your hair sure isn't what it was." I can't imagine looking at Rich thinking, "You've lost it." Ok, some people do look at their husband or wives and think, "Ughhhh. What a broken down slob they turned out to be." -So maybe I haven't picked the best analogy... Still, when I 'hear' her, what I most hear is a familiar friend returning to share a bit more of herself with me. And I understand the life journey isn't a flat line or an ever rising curve. There is the inevitable decay in all things. That is life. I am in it for the journey. And sure, one could say smoking isn't inevitable, that's true. But really, if you had made the choice of running more, I bet you'd inevitably look better than you do. Or had one less bon-bon, you'd look a sure lot sharper after all these years. We burn. We shine. We stop burning and we stop shining. I play Joni and nothing's 'changed' on the most essential level: I hear the voice of a friend returning. A friend who's journey has meant the world to me. Far from perfect, but that imperfection makes it all the more amazing and wonderful. How can someone as flawed as I, consistently rise to such heights? As fine as she ever was. Here's to hoping for one more. At least one more. Maybe two. j. Three??? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:22:46 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: defending Madonna, SJC She makes way better dance music than Joni does, and there's a place for that. At 08:54 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote: >joni's music is smarter and higher in quality than madonna's. >but, there is something that madonna does better than joni. >you know that something, don't you? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:02:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: judy collins on etown radio right now i dont know what the call numbers are wherever you are, but judy collins is on the show today...right now in fact. it's a fantastic show and reminds me of the vast sea of talent in america. mags. - --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: SJC re: Defending Madonna So I'm still curious. Rian, what is the one thing you were referring to that Madonna does better than Joni? -M - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:01:28 +0200 From: "Mark L. Levinson" Subject: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna... Coleen wrote: > even my Texan husband thinks that album is brilliant - > and he previously claimed to hate Leonard Cohen! I think your husband's experience demonstrates my point: because the melodies themselves aren't brilliant, they need the help of well-thought-out arrangements, good production, and in this case-- for your husband-- even a different singer. - ------------------------------------------------ Mark L. Levinson - nosnivel@netvision.net.il - ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:53:23 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: defending Madonna, SJC From: "rian afriadi" > ah come on. > madonna's not that bad! > her key records that make her deserve this hall of fame induction: (IMO) > 1. Like A Prayer > 2. Immacullate Collection > 3. True Blue > 4. Ray of Light > 5. Music > 6. Confessions on A Dance Floor. > but, there is something that madonna does better than joni. > you know that something, don't you? Yes...expose her private parts. I never meant to imply that Madonna was bad, just that she is not really rock and roll, at least in terms of what it means to me. I like a bunch of her songs; Live To Tell, Vogue, This Used To Be My Playground, even Like A Virgin and the Sondheim stuff on Dick Tracy. They are great, enjoyable pop records. But left to her own devices, give her a guitar, a studio, whatever she needs, she could never make those records. They are closer to The Monkees than they are to The Who. And if you listen to most of her hits closely, you can hear that they put a 'ghost' singer behind her because she simply was not a good singer. This was before the Antares pitch corrector. (See: Cher) Maybe by Evita she learned to sing better. And of course she rarely sang in concert, lip-syncing so she could do the choreography. I don't know if she has written a song by herself-maybe she has, but I think the hits have all been collaborations. None of which is to say that she is not a great entertainer. But to me, she is just not rock and roll. But I could be wrong. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:44:07 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni in Paris 83 Dear All, A few years ago i received the two 1983 Joni concerts from Bob Muller. Some of you may have them too. A couple of months ago I posted that the one listed as Olympia was in reality Theatre des Champs Elysees. Now, I had a long conversation with the actual taper of the Casino de Paris, his name is Uli Teute and some time in the future he will write on Dime his 17 page account of a Joni encounter in Paris. In the meantime, I am pleased to finally set the record straight on some mislabelling: Theatre des Champs Elysees: the correct date is April 30, 1983. Circulating copies have poor sound. (This was labelled Casino on Bob's cds) Uli says it's missing the 1st song too. Casino de Paris: May 1st, 1983, nicer sound but Uli's recording is missing the first 3 songs so it's easy to tell both concerts apart. (labelled Olympia on Bob's cds) Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:53:44 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: FW: Herbie Hancock Announcement: Join Herbie For A Live Concert Taping I just received this from the Herbie Hancock mailing list, and thought I should forward it ASAP... A great opportunity for anyone in SoCal able to attend, and this might even have Joni-content, if she makes a surprise guest appearance! Be in quick - limited to the first 200 fans to email them back! Hell - -----Original Message----- From: Herbie Hancock Webmaster [mailto:newslist@herbiehancock.com] Sent: Monday, 17 March 2008 4:32 p.m. To: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Herbie Hancock Announcement: Join Herbie For A Live Concert Taping Would you like to be part of Herbie's Nissan Live Sets Taping? Attention Southern California Herbie Hancock fans!! Want to be a part of an exclusive major internet event with Herbie Hancock? Yahoo! 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