From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #483 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, March 9 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 483 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Covers, Volume 98 - From a Leap to a March [Mark-Leon Thorne ] College girls today and Joni yesterday [Patti Parlette ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:15:42 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 98 - From a Leap to a March Thanks so much for the link, Melissa. What a trip! I think they tried to recreate the feeling of Woodstock at Sunbury. Joni went on to perform at Big Sur to continue that feeling but if Joni wasn't so afraid of flying and knew what they were trying to do in Australia with Sunbury and the other festivals, she might have come down here. She would have inspired so many if she had. She was so huge here at that time too. Thanks everyone for your birthday wishes. They were so heartwarming and special to me. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:03:46 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Bipolar Disorder Rian wrote: I have a question... Is suffering manic state at day and then depression at night categorized as bipolar disorder? If not, what is it called? Rian PS. No, it's not about me, it's about my friend. Hi Rian, There is no definitive testing procedure for bipolar illness which makes it hard to diagnose. It is more a ruling out of other disorders that leads to the diagnosis. It is questionable whether your friend has bipolar illness since it seems there is a circadian pattern s/he has. Usually cycling patterns are more spread out and not as predictable as every day at certain times. My first question would be what is your friend's sleep like? Lack of sleep can play a role in the expression of mania. In other words, if a person is up all night, they are likely to be manic the next day. If they don't think they are losing sleep there still might be an occult problem with sleep, one that can only be detected through a sleep study. One can be getting poor quality sleep and think they are sleeping through the night. Your friend might be encouraged to go to a sleep center at a local hospital and undergo a study of what is happening to their brain waves during the night. Another question to ask is does your friend have an immediate relative or relatives with bipolar illness? It tends to run in families. There is a theory that it goes from mother to son and father to daughter. Depression is usually the baseline state in bipolar illness with episodes of mania injected. The depression is not just a feeling of being blue that comes and goes but is instead a feeling of being doomed with no escape. The mania of bipolar illness typically has certain qualities to it such as loss of good judgement, grandiosity, rage, and hallucinations. Cycling from depression to mania is highly variable between people and as I said before is usually unpredictable. A person with bipolar illness might have just one episode of mania their whole life. I hope your friend will see a doctor and find a treatment that can improve their quality of life. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:15:00 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: College girls today and Joni yesterday From "Girls Like Us - Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon--And the Journey of a Generation" by Sheila Weller: "Over the next three years, Joni's life would be typical of many North American women's when the early to mid-1960s -- that Jack-and-Jackie-influenced era of glamorized traditional marriage -- slowly turned into the later 1960s, and a new culture was spawned, both by the neo-Edwardian style of the English groups and by the softer offshoots of psychedelia. Just as some of Joni's counterparts attending college would marry young professors, Joni would marry a man eight years her senior who was already living the life she thought she wanted. But as she pulled ahead of her husband in talent and ambition, she would realize -- as other girls would -- that young marriage to a sophisticated man was not the start of Real Life but, rather, an impediment to it." This excerpt reminds of something I read in The Chronicle of Higher Education and started to share with you, but the post, inchoate, ended up in my draft box when I had to, ummmm, fly away to be with my Mom. And now, looking this draft over, I'm not sure if it's just the Jonidiomatic logic that goes on in my head or if I am making the connection properly, but oh well, voila: ***** "College Girls and College Women Gina Barecca, Professor of English at the University of Connecticut: College girls arent what they used to be. Nowadays, college girls are college women; they are almost, but not quite, simply students. At least thats what we tell ourselves. Yet I still have young women who come to my office after class and ask a version of the following (take a deep breath and hear it all without a pause): Professor Barreca weve been coming to the lectures and doing the reading so we understand that women have always had an important but virtually untraceable impact on the culture along with other marginalized groups who because of their inherently liminal status in regards to the hegemonic culture have not been inscribed within accorded patterns of influence thereby rendering them nearly invisible to the future generations and making it nearly impossible to understand that the battles every marginalized group fights have in fact been fought before resulting in a repeated need to establish rights within the culture instead of relying on the granting of privileges (privileges of course that can only be granted by those in power to those out of power) and so we understand that it is incumbent upon us if the lives of our daughters and granddaughters are going to be better than the lives of our mothers and grandmothers to secure those rights once and for all and yet we wonder whether if we accept that responsibility will we ever  get a date? If 30 is the new 18, then why are girls in such a rush to be in a committed relationship at such young ages? I think that we need to reassure the young people in our lives that there are insignificant others as well as significant others. There's still the idea that a long-term committed relationship is the reward for being a good girl, that a romantic union is the gold star." ****** (from Gina Barecca's 11/21/07 blog that was edited for "Highlights from the Brainstorm" in the Chronicle of Higher Ed) http://chronicle.com/review/brainstorm/barreca/college-girls-facebook-dating-cringing-marty-fear-of-living-with-cats-where-the-boys-are So many Joni lyrics popped into my head reading that whole thing. Par example: All I want to do right now is find another lover.... Chasing after Golden Reggie... The ceremony of the bells and lace still veils this reckless fool here... The head says forget it, but the heart's still smoking.... My search for love that don't seem to cease.... I get that strong longing like I want to settle down and raise a child up with someone.... Harry's House.... Willy... Send me somebody who's strong and somewhat sincere...... I call out to be released.... Crown and anchor me, or let me sail away.... Barecca's piece makes me think of early Joni and how she resisted this urge for committing....not wanting to end up like her grandmother, but often conflicted about her feelings. Both Sides, Now. Just some thoughts from a rainy afternoon house, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:56:23 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Hotel California Video Tree Hi folks. Just a reminder that I still have the original Hotel California documentary DVD if anyone wants it. I'm happy to mail it on to anyone who wants it. Just be sure to make a copy for yourself and offer it up to the list again. Just send me your mailing address off list. Mark in Sydney NP Mount Teide (Live) - Mike Oldfield ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #483 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)