From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #466 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 21 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 466 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Doing it for the ancestors (SJC) [Mark-Leon Thorne ] sjc? Blue Boy -- lyric interpretation page -- dang me! [Patti Parlette ] RE: SJC Joni for Obama or Clinton [anon anon ] SJC Joni for Obama or Clinton [Patti Parlette ] Robert Cunniff ["Jerry Notaro" ] John Brunious of Preservation Hall Jazz Band Funeral Services 2/22 and Second Line 2/23 [Michael Paz Subject: Re: Doing it for the ancestors (SJC) Hi Simone. Nice to hear from the west coast. You externalise your thoughts so eloquently. I was riveted to your post. WOHAM is full of interesting little snips of Joni's thought processes. This issue of correcting the things our ancestors couldn't is an interesting one. I can certainly understand Joni's way of thinking there and her fear of falling into the pattern of her grand mother and mother and not being able to take up the opportunities she was presented with if she chose a life of partnership. On the other hand, it may be short-sighted to think that one would exclude the other. Even in her time, could her grand mother not have taken up painting as well as being a wife? Many great artists have been self- taught. Could her mother not have taken a part time job to afford piano lessons? Granted, it would have been difficult during World War 2 but, they were not the same adversities that Joni would have faced in the late '60s. Our previous conservative government was so afraid of litigation if they were to use the word, "sorry" that they refused to be connected with previous wrongs and believed using the word would be an admission of guilt. I wonder what safeguards this government has put in place to protect themselves. I think it is the question on every Australian's mind now. How much will this cost? There is no doubt that the majority of Australians feel that it was well deserved by those who still have direct connections to the atrocities of the government of the day and the Christian missions and that this was needed to bring closure to them and bring us closer together. It is wonderful to see so many white people so fervently behind this decision and I truly hope this goes some way to a process of healing but, like Joni, isn't the true way to healing in the way we go forward, not a word to attempt to erase the past? There is only one life and no one will ever know if Joni made the right choice. My only hope is that people will be happier and learn from the past. Joni certainly never was afraid to try new things and change herself as she saw fit. Aboriginal Australia could learn from Joni. It's never too late to redefine yourself. Mark in Sydney NP Time To Begin - Katie Noonan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:19:00 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: WOHAM snips Thanks Simone, Mark in Sydney and Monika for interesting postings about Joni's explanation of why she did not marry Graham. I have been wondering myself and I think also posted about this a while ago. It puzzled me at first that Joni apparently did not consider the possibility of being both married and continue her career. I have been watching WOHAM a couple of times since and it struck me that her explanation cannot be fully appreciated without Graham's description of the relationship. He said that they were always wondering who would get to the piano first which to me suggests an element of competition. He also said that their relationship was an "interesting" clash between wanting to get at close as possible and wanting to be left alone to create. So I imagine Joni might have felt that she would lose the competition if they got married and had children. She might have felt that Graham was not prepared to give her enough space to continue her arts. Just my thoughts, Marion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:12:13 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: sjc? Blue Boy -- lyric interpretation page -- dang me! Mark in Seattle wrote: Just one JMDLer's opinion. And you know there may be more. (Dang you, Pattie P! xoxox) **** Hey! HEY! I said "a hold on there, brother"! (That's telling you to hold on! Hold on!) *Dang* me? How do I interpret THAT? Dang me, dang me They oughta take a rope and hang me Hang me from the highest arbutus forest pink electric pinewood climbing banyan cactus treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Joni, would you weep for me? Mark, you just take all those trees and put 'em in a tree museum, okay? While you're so busy being free of JMOCD....ha! You laugh, he said, you think you're immune? Go look in your eyes, they're full of moon and Junes and ferris wheels and every shiny Joni thing. Dang me. "You make me smile, with my heart." Laughing it all away, Patti P., just another silly girl xoxoxo _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:27:21 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Doing it for the ancestors (SJC) Well, yes, a relationship requires compromise or shall I say a serious relationship? Just dating or so doesn't require so much so but marriage, assuming it sprung from a serious relationship, requires a great deal of compromise and responsibility--being respectful towards your partner, being responsible within the relationship, being responsible getting out of the relationship if need be (going through the whole legal divorce whereas in a relationship you could easily just get up and disappear one day...not such a nice thing to do but it can be done). I'm sorry I did kind of get off your point! I understand what you said but sometimes I get one one thing, ramble on and on, and don't get to the next! Anyhow, as for "doing it for the ancestors," I can see some validity in that. Some people carry on the family tradition/business where others are desperate to break free from that. Joni, so she says, was desperate to carry on what the previous women in her family started but never finished. That is a good motivator but not all in itself I would think. As for her and Nash, or any relationship between two creative people, the struggle of creative time alone, the clashing of egos (we are only human!), and a million other little things could easily get in the way as Joni stated in the doc. Nice insight from Joni as always on Woman of Heart and Mind! -M Australian Seashells wrote: Hi Monika, Marriage = Compromise, right? ..or that's what it looks like when you're young and just starting out. As you get more experienced, you realise it should actually be: Relationship = Compromise ...and that a marriage certificate is more of a formality than anything else really. I'm sure even then she could "smell the rat' and ducked out before getting married again, because obviously with two forceful, rebellious and highly creative individuals together in a relationship, the likely problems ahead were plain. Of course it was an exciting prospect, but she'd have to sacrifice some of her own creativity to give her significant other some room for his. They both described it well, too - i. e. the daily struggle to see who would get to the piano first, write more and better - and so forth. It would have been very hard to make work - so she must have decided that her priority was her own muse. I just picked up on the reason she gave in hindsight, which was different! Cheers, Simone - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:03:06 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: SJC Joni for Obama or Clinton Has anybody wondered who Joni wishes would become President? Joni's not a U.S. citizen, is she (I know she's from Canada but I was wondering if she got her U.S. citizenship though I don't think so)? She is a resident though and has a right to say who'd she'd like as President. I wonder if Joni will mention anything in coming interviews...there's no way in hell she'd be for McCain or Huckabee with everything she says! -Monika JONI FOR PRESIDENT! Only kidding. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:40:28 -0500 From: anon anon Subject: RE: SJC Joni for Obama or Clinton This is one of my favorite Joni quotes: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jonimitche266610.html > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:03:06 -0800> From: motitan75@yahoo.com> Subject: SJC Joni for Obama or Clinton> To: joni@smoe.org> > Has anybody wondered who Joni wishes would become President? Joni's not a U.S. citizen, is she (I know she's from Canada but I was wondering if she got her U.S. citizenship though I don't think so)? She is a resident though and has a right to say who'd she'd like as President. I wonder if Joni will mention anything in coming interviews...there's no way in hell she'd be for McCain or Huckabee with everything she says! -Monika> JONI FOR PRESIDENT! Only kidding.> > > - ---------------------------------> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:58:23 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: SJC Joni for Obama or Clinton Monika asked: Has anybody wondered who Joni wishes would become President? Joni's not a U.S. citizen, is she (I know she's from Canada but I was wondering if she got her U.S. citizenship though I don't think so)? She is a resident though and has a right to say who'd she'd like as President. I wonder if Joni will mention anything in coming interviews...there's no way in hell she'd be for McCain or Huckabee with everything she says!*** I know we've been kindly asked by some to stay away from politics (and I've restrained myself as much as I can), but we can't ignore a question from Monika now, can we? I come out to wonder this every day! To my recollection the only candidate she's ever endorsed was George McGovern in 1972, when she and JT supported him. I'd love to know what she thinks now. Caroline Kennedy, who's got a lot of class, doesn't usually endorse people, either. And we all know that Joni's got more class than Gomer Pyle and Richard Nixon combined! So maybe she will say something. Jeannie, how was your Obama rally? I saw it on TV and it got a round resounding for him, way up here. Did you even get in? When he came to Hartford it was crazy....I've never seen so many people lined up outside the Civic Center. I was channel-surfing returns last night and came upon this story, if you are interested, about Obamania. http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote2008/Story?id=4313643&page=1 I'm not sure I like the insinuations about about cults and hysteria and all (as if we are mindless lemmings), but it's interesting to read if you've ever attended an Obama rally. I was discussing it w/ my good friend-of-spiritTed at work (super-smart Lakotan dude) and I mentioned how the piece compared all the excitement to Beatlemania, and how I wasn't sure about the comparison and he quipped: "Doesn't bother me! The Beatles changed the world, too!" Trying to be fifty-fifty fire and ice about it all, because it's a rough road to travel, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:45:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Robert Cunniff Writer/producer Robert Cunniff dies Worked on 'Today Show,' 'Sesame Street' By ASSOCIATED PRESS Emmy Award-winning TV writer and producer Robert Cunniff died Jan. 20 in Brooklyn, N.Y., after a long illness. He was 81. Cuniff worked on influential news and talkshows including "The Today Show" and "The Dick Cavett Show," won his Emmy for "Sesame Street" and created "Mousterpiece Theater" for Disney Channel. A memorial service will be held at Saturday Feb. 9th at 5:30 p.m. at The Unitarian Church of All Souls, 1157 Lexington Ave., Manhattan. As a writer for "The Today Show" in the mid-60s, he worked closely with Hugh Downs and Barbara Walters, and was credited with elevating that program's news reputation with coverage of the Vietnam war and the 1968 Chicago Convention. For the late night version of "The Dick Cavett Show" on ABC, Cuniff booked diverse and controversial guests including Norman Mailer, Gore Vidal, Salvador Dali, Lillian Gish and Satchel Paige. He also invited a groundbreaking selection of music guests on the show, including Woodstock performers Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Crosby Still & Nash and Joni Mitchell. He also worked on Cavett's shows when the host returned to public television in the early 1980s and then to CNBC in the 1990s. From 1972-75, he was a producer for "Sesame Street," writing numerous sketches and winning the Emmy for children's programming in 1973 along with the show's creator, Jon Stone. He became managing editor of "Good Morning, America" in 1976. The long running, Disney Channel hit "Mouseterpiece Theater," a deadpan parody of "Masterpiece Theater," was conceived, produced and co-written by Cunniff in 1983. The series featured vintage Disney cartoon shorts outlandishly introduced by George Plimpton in a saucy send up of Alistair Cooke. A lifelong jazz and classical music aficionado, he was as a writer with Live From Lincoln Center on PBS in the 1970s. In the 1980s, he wrote for ABC's revival of "Omnibus" and scripted a USIA international documentary "Let Poland Be Poland." Born in Chicago, he served in the U.S. Navy during WWII. He graduated the U. of Chicago and went on to write for the Chicago Sun Times and TV Guide,, Show Business Illustrated and Show Magazine. His first job in television, in 1961, was as a co-writer and editor for CBS News' live, daytime series "Calendar," anchored by Harry Reasoner. Cunniff is survived by longtime companion Kate Resek; daughter, Jill Cunniff Gregoire, a musician; son Stephen Cunniff; three granddaughters and a brother. Donations may be made to the fund to preserve New Orleans' Jazz Heritage at the Tipitina's Foundation, 4040 Tulane Ave, Suite 8000, New Orleans, LA 70119. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:48:13 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: John Brunious of Preservation Hall Jazz Band Funeral Services 2/22 and Second Line 2/23 Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > PRESERVATION HALL HONORS JOHN BRUNIOUS WITH JAZZ FUNERAL SERVICE AND > SECOND LINE. > > "I consider New Orleans jazz to be a treasure, and it's wonderful to > be able to share that treasure." > -John Brunious > > (February 20, 2008-New Orleans, LA): John Brunious (October 12, 1940- > February 12, 2008), Leader of the Preservation Hall Jazz Band will > be honored at a funeral service on Friday, February 22nd, at the > Charbonnet-Labat Funeral Home at 1615 St. Philip Street in the > historic Treme' section of New Orleans. Visitation is from 3:00 pm - > 6:00 pm with the Funeral service at 7 pm. > > Mr. Brunious will also be honored with a Jazz funeral second line > procession on Saturday, February 23rd at 1:00 pm. The Second Line > will begin at Preservation Hall at 726 St. Peter Street, go right on > Bourbon Street, left on Ursuline Street, onto Rampart Street where > it will pass the former site of Lu & Charlie's Nightclub, it will > proceed down Rampart Street and left onto St.Philip Street, right on > Royal Street, right on St.Louis Street, right onto Bourbon Street > where it will also pass the Famous Door and the procession will end > back at Preservation Hall. > > It is with great sorrow and heavy hearts that Preservation Hall > announces the passing of one of our cherished band members, > trumpeter, Mr. John Brunious. An accomplished musician both on > trumpet and piano, John Brunious served as the bandleader for The > Preservation Hall Jazz Band. Growing up in a family of gifted > musicians, Mr. Brunious was introduced to New Orleans Jazz at a > young age, by his father, John "Picky" Brunious and others such as > drumming legend Paul Barbarin. He began taking lessons from his > father at age ten but mostly taught himself to play by listening to > records and emulating what he heard; inspired by Dizzy Gillespie and > Maynard Ferguson, he developed a flair for flashy, high-note solos > that earned him work at gigs and on record sessions in a variety of > styles. > > Dedicating his life to music, Mr. Brunious had a flourishing career, > spanning decades, multiple continents and some of the most > prestigious venues in the world, including Carnegie Hall and Lincoln > Center. His talent took him far and wide, landing him into the > halls of royalty and world leaders. Performing for British Royalty, > The King of Thailand, U.S. presidents and everyone in between, he > loved to share his passion for music. > > A pioneering member of the PHJB, John Brunious was with the band for > over 20 years as bandleader. He was an inspiration to his fellow > band members as well as his fans. As Mr. Brunious, carried on the > grand tradition and musical culture of his forebears in the Crescent > City, The Preservation Hall Jazz Band will celebrate him in > continuing this incredible American art form for years to come. > Creative Director of Preservation Hall, Ben Jaffe remarks, "John > Brunious was living history. One of the last things John told me > was, 'There's another Louis Armstrong somewhere out there in New > Orleans. I'm going to find them and teach them all I got.' It's now > in our hands to carry on his message and legacy the way he carried > the torch for so many years." > > Mr. Brunious is survived by his wife Terry, 2 stepdaughters, a son, > a granddaughter, 2 brothers, and 4 sisters. > > # # # > For further information contact: > > New Orleans: > Laura Tennyson > Lura Belle Productions > 504-319-9943 > lauratennyson_2@msn.com > > National Publicity: > Carrie Tolles > Shore Fire Media > 718-522-7171 > ctolles@shorefire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:09:03 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: David Crosby on Tavis Smiley ce soir Wow. Did anyone catch this? I feel like I'm sleeping, can you wake me? Lots of Joni content. Joni rules. xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #466 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)