From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #445 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, January 31 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 445 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Mitchell and Veronique Sanson [Catherine McKay ] Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose ["Marian Russell" ] re:3GS/charlie rose ["joe farrell" ] re:3GS/charlie rose [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Mississippi River Festival 1969 ["Richard Flynn" ] Joni/Charlie Rose [KEVIN DOHENY ] Re: Joni/Charlie Rose ["Marian Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:12:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Veronique Sanson - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Thanks Catherine for the excerpts on Joni & Vero. > > I'm with you on Vero, although i must admit that i > don't listen to her much > these days. > [...] > > I'd be interested in what else Vero has to say about > her career. I'm afraid > booze didn't help her creative juices as she really > went downhill > artistically after marrying Stills. She does talk about her alcoholism. She would drink to overcome shyness and stage fright and became hooked. She is now (or at the time the book was written) not drinking and in Alcoholics Anonymous. She talks about her marriage to Stills and it sounds very strange indeed. He was a heavy drug user and an alcoholic and would become very violent. She ran away from him but couldn't go back to France for quite a long time because of the nasty custody battle over their son. I've heard Chris Stills' music and I think he is quite good, and I can hear his father's influence in his guitar playing, but he's not a superstar (but he is very good-looking!) My daughter saw him in concert. He was touring with Mandy Moore and was in Toronto a few months ago. Seems like a strange combination - Mandy Moore and Chris Stills. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:22:41 -0500 From: Coleen Subject: Mississippi River Festival 1969 Hi Everyone, My apologies if this has already been posted, but I found this link to a live recording of Joni's excellent performance at the Mississippi River Festival in 1969: http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities07/ARjmmissi.html I also found a link to a site that purports to be selling a DVD (1 copy available) of the BBC "In Concert" show that featured Joni. I saw this show on TV a few years ago and would love to own it, but I'm not sure about ordering from this site. If someone else would like to try it, here's the link: http://www.musicstack.com/item/158697072/joni+mitchell/bbc+in+concert+1970 Cheers, Coleen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose Nah. I personally would be very disappointed if Joni didn't give interviews anymore. -M Marian Russell wrote: I think Joni should quit giving interviews and rather spend her time channeling new music and distilling her wisdom into song lyrics for us all to enjoy. Marian - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:22:02 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose When Shine came out, I felt inspired to start playing music again after not doing very much for the last three years or so, and I even felt like posting some messages to the Joni list to share my excitement about having new Joni music to enjoy, and I was kind of enjoying it all for awhile, but then I started reading some of the interviews with her and seeing her being interviewed on various shows, and I found myself back in the same place as before I left the list last time of loving the music and not really liking the person very much - feeling embarrassed about some of the things she was saying. If she's going to give interviews, she should smile and keep it light and not take herself and everything so seriously and quit bragging about how she started smoking at the age of 9 and be more gracious and complimentary of other musicians. For goodness sake, there are hundreds of musicians who are as talented, if not more so (Imogen Heap for one), than her. She didn't invent everything. I just feel exasperated sometimes when I read / hear the things she says in interviews and I think she would look better to the world at large if she would give up saying stupid things in interviews and stick to writing her beautiful music and lyrics. Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" To: "Joni people!" ; "Marian Russell" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose > Nah. I personally would be very disappointed if Joni didn't give > interviews anymore. > -M > > Marian Russell wrote: > I think Joni should quit giving interviews and rather spend her time > channeling new music and distilling her wisdom into song lyrics for us all > to enjoy. > > Marian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:05:41 +0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re:3GS/charlie rose Interesting if somewhat strange comments from Joni in this piece. We definitely have problems globally going forward and we are certainly not prepared/preparing for the scale of the potential difficulties we face. Gender roles have changed and developed for sure, as has society generally, but not in a wholly negative way. In other interviews about her early years in the music business Joni has bemoaned the difficuties women faced in a male dominated business. I can't see the USA Germany analogy as a valid one either. This is classic interviewee Joni angry and outrageous but deeply concerned. I for one hope she doesn't stop doing interviews. Am i right in thinking Dylan, amongst others going even further back, was writing and recording his own material before Joni "created the phenomena"?, "as modest as Mussolini" springs to mind. But then she has created some of the most beautiful and original music of the 20th/21st century and whatever the changes to come that will stand the test of time. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:38:39 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: re:3GS/charlie rose I made the same point, Joe - and part of the resulting problem is that when someone says something so WRONG like that, it clouds everything else that gets said - the integrity of the rest of the dialogue comes into question. I'm fortunate that my wife and many, many friends (including many of y'all) will quickly let me know when I'm full of $hit. It seems that Joni doesn't have anyone in her life to fill that role. Bob NP: Joni, "You're My Thrill" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Coleen Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:23 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Mississippi River Festival 1969 Hi Everyone, My apologies if this has already been posted, but I found this link to a live recording of Joni's excellent performance at the Mississippi River Festival in 1969: http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities07/ARjmmissi.html I also found a link to a site that purports to be selling a DVD (1 copy available) of the BBC "In Concert" show that featured Joni. I saw this show on TV a few years ago and would love to own it, but I'm not sure about ordering from this site. If someone else would like to try it, here's the link: http://www.musicstack.com/item/158697072/joni+mitchell/bbc+in+concert+1970 Cheers, Coleen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:43:05 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: re:3GS/charlie rose From: "joe farrell" > Am i right in thinking Dylan, amongst others going even further > back, was writing and recording his own material before Joni "created the > phenomena"?, Mozart, Pythagoras-it's even rumoured Jesus carried around a ukelele and sang little songs he made up. She said "singer- songwriter" didn't exist as a career-of course it did: Woody Gutherie, Leadbelly, Buddy Holly, Robert Johnson and all the old blues guys who made their living singing their own songs in the 1920's. The *label* didn't exist until Joni, James Taylor, Jim Croce, Jackson Browne, Carol King and others helped it make it mainstream. But The Beatles, Beach Boys, Janis Ian, Hendrix, The Kinks, Syd Barrett...they were all singing their own stuff. If you want to eliminate bands, Janis Ian, Donovan, Dylan, Cat Stevens, Phil Ochs, Tom Paxton, John Stewart and many more were doing it long before Joni mistuned her first uke. Still, that conceit aside, I loved the interview-she's a little perverse at times, but I think her view of the big picture is pretty accurate. Shine on you crazy lion. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Joni/Charlie Rose I have a problem...It's hard for me to find fault in my "idols"(or a better word)..My boyfriend and I always "play argue" about Madonna..He's always dogging her and I defend her like she's my sister..Same here with Joni...It's hard for me to read that people are all upset about her opinions on the female/male quandry...How many of you all are around Joni's age? People of that generation or before I tend to give a pass when it comes to such matters...The world they grew up in was much much more different than the world today and although we all do form our own opinions and ideals later in life, some small part of those growing years stays with us..Maybe she just can't get past the male female roles she witnessed growing up..Not saying it's right or wrong(It really was almost archaic thinking though)..That's just how she feels.....Regarding her role in the birth of the singer songwriter movement..I think she was trying to refer to the title given to the musicians of the era..Not that she was the first ever person to ever write a song and sing it.. She plays a major role in what the Time Life cd collection people like to call the Singer Songwriter era.. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:55:22 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Joni/Charlie Rose From Joni's songs for many years, the message I got was a disdain for women who bought into the traditional role of wife/mother who controlled all the money of the hard-working husband and a sympathy for the husband who was a victim of such an agreement/arrangement. Now she's saying that women are too strong? I know a lot of women who are strong and wise and gentle and kind and not aggressive, most of whom have full-time jobs in addition to having children. I don't know what women she is generalizing about, but to be fair, perhaps she hasn't really thought about it all that much and was just answering the interviewer off the top of her head. Anyway, what's wrong in the world is so much more complicated than generalizations about what's wrong with women or what's wrong with men (how about the military industrial complex, for one, and the corporations that are trying to own everything including our politicians, and the religious right who would be happy if people could be thrown in jail for not going to church on Sunday, and the oil barons capitalizing on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and potentially Iran - most all of which is included in the lyrics to Bad Dreams and STrong And Wrong and If). I guess what I really wish is not that Joni would stop giving interviews, but that I could interview her and have a real conversation about all this stuff that she has obviously thought about, too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN DOHENY" To: "joni" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:38 AM Subject: Joni/Charlie Rose >I have a problem...It's hard for me to find fault in my "idols"(or a better >word)..My boyfriend and I always "play argue" about Madonna..He's always >dogging her and I defend her like she's my sister..Same here with >Joni...It's hard for me to read that people are all upset about her >opinions on the female/male quandry...How many of you all are around Joni's >age? People of that generation or before I tend to give a pass when it >comes to such matters...The world they grew up in was much much more >different than the world today and although we all do form our own opinions >and ideals later in life, some small part of those growing years stays with >us..Maybe she just can't get past the male female roles she witnessed >growing up..Not saying it's right or wrong(It really was almost archaic >thinking though)..That's just how she feels.....Regarding her role in the >birth of the singer songwriter movement..I think she was trying to refer to >the title given to the musicians of the > era..Not that she was the first ever person to ever write a song and sing > it.. She plays a major role in what the Time Life cd collection people > like to call the Singer Songwriter era.. > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. 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