From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #442 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, January 28 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 442 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Mojo, and Britney ["Steve T." ] Re: thank you South Carolina!!!! SJC [Michael Flaherty ] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #549 and my book ["Randy Remote" ] Joni Mitchell and Veronique Sanson [Catherine McKay Subject: Mojo, and Britney Thanks Oddmund for your insiteful take on Joni's Mojo comments. I really should read this... is it on the website yet? Yes I am cheap. Completely right on though - she has always had integrity from the word go. Oh and I can't believe Britney REALLY was rated higher than Joni in a pole assembled by musicians. This is funny - or maybe not... I can't decide. - -- Steve T. www.vegansteven.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:12:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: thank you South Carolina!!!! SJC And the SJC is .... what? Vince Lavieri wrote: thanks Democrats in South Carolina for showing us we can do it!!!!! Vince - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:20:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #549 and my book It's nice to see all the Joni mentions in the latest digest. Made me wonder if I'm suddenly on Joni-only :-) I can't wait to read the artice in Mojo. And I have yet to really get into Shine. More a question of time than taste, but (sounding more critical than I mean to) I still prefer Joni's Hejira-era voice to the way her voice sounds now. And, as has been said here previously, I find the lyrics a tad disappointing. But I'll give it more of a listen, possibly this weekend... And since I'm de-lurking briefly (have barely kept up with anything including this list lately), I'll mention that my book, "Trials" is now available to purchase online. If you're interested (and some of you -you can probably guess who you are - are in the acknowledgements), you can buy it at http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=1377612 lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:25:49 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #549 and my book Anne, congrats on your new book coming out! > I'll mention that my book, "Trials" is > now available to purchase online. > http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=1377612 > lots of love, > Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:40:47 -0500 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: thank you South Carolina!!!! SJC and the sjc is some jerk can't type and I mistyped. Fucking damn I am a piece of shit and am sorry, Mike, it should have been njc that must have been tough to figure that a mistake got made just another reminder of how I never reached the perfection of the rest of the jmdl and why posting here should be left to the elite Vince On Jan 27, 2008 10:12 AM, Michael Flaherty wrote: > And the SJC is .... what? > > > *Vince Lavieri * wrote: > > thanks Democrats in South Carolina for showing us we can do it!!!!! > > > > Vince > > > ------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:33:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni Mitchell and Veronique Sanson I am almost as big a fan of French singer-songwriter Veronique Sanson as I am of Joni Mitchell. I first heard her songs when I was at Universite Laval in Quebec City in 1974-75. She is huge in the French-speaking world, but pretty much unknown in the US and English Canada. I knew that Veronique had been married to Stephen Stills and that she lived with him in the US for a number of years until she left him to return to France. They have a son, Christopher Stills, who is also a musician. I'm currently reading a biography of hers called "La douceur du danger" (which translates as something like "The sweetness of danger.") It seems that Madelle Sanson is often drawn to the dangerous side of life, including bad boys such as Stephen Stills. The book was published in 2005 and is written interview style, with Varrod asking Sanson questions, to which she responds very openly. I had always wondered whether Sanson and Mitchell had ever met one another. I'm about half-way through reading this book and was gobsmacked to discover that yes, indeed, they did meet and they seemed to hit it off very well. Veronique Sanson was in a relationship with French singer/songwriter Michel Belanger, when she met Stephen Stills in Paris. Although she had heard of his reputation as a womanizer, drinker and druggie, she fell in love with him immediately despite herself, so much so, that she left Berger for Stills and ended up marrying him. Part of her realized she might be making a mistake, but she didn't want to let down her parents or his, and told her sister just before marrying Stills in England, that she could always divorce him later. (Does that remind you of anyone?) In fact, a few years later, she suddenly left Stills and fled back to France. Here is my translation of that excerpt from the book: Didier Varrod: You also met Joni Mitchell during that time. People often say she's the American Sanson. She also sang with Crosby, Stills and Nash. Veronique Sanson: I know. I met Joni Mitchell in Los Angeles where we often used to go. At that time, I was living in Colorado, where we had am amazing studio, Caribou Studio, which was underneath our home. Joni and I met each other in LA and we liked each other right away. Steve told me that music would unite us. He was not mistaken. I played piano for her and she did the same for me. In the end, we really became friends. We took turns singing our songs. She would call and tell me, "I've got a song. Would you like to come to hear it at my place?" And vice versa. We liked each other a lot. Strangely enough, she reminds me of [the French singer} Barbara, because, just like Barbara, Joni never had much sense of time. Alone at the piano, that worked out fine, but, with other musicians, they were obliged to follow her. She was a wonderful girl. But we never saw each other much after that, except maybe once or twice, about ten years after that. I know that some possibly well-intentioned people went to see her, asking, "Do you know Veronique Sanson?" and she answered right away, "What? Of course, Vero - very well!" But in the US, people see each other, rub elbows, touch each others' lives and then, from one day to the next, it's all over - "Bye, bye love!" That explains that sort of thing and their inability to have any kind of history because they don't really take care of their interpersonal relationships. But, as far as Joni Mitchell is concerned, it's a relationship that corresponds directly to that particular time. She was a girl with extremely good taste. For example, where people live tells you a great deal about them. Her home was very beautiful. There wasn't one thing that wasn't in good taste. I remember her carpets, the rugs that she had had made and her magnificent piano where we used to get together. One day, when Steve was touring with Ben, Joni Mitchell's man at that time, we both stayed at her place because I even lived with her for a while. One night, she got out a bottle of mezcal, which had an enormous white worm in it. I had never seen such a thing before. I said, "What is that horrible thing?" She answered, "You'll see - it's absolutely incredible." We sat down at the piano and all through the night we drank that bottle of mezcal. We woke up underneath the piano in a horrible state, with a terrible headache. Without remembering one thing we had played. In short, we were accomplices. And, it's true, she was also very close to Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young. Because she also had a huge talent at drawing, she even designed an amazing album cover for them. She painted, she sculpted, she could do every kind of art. She was a true artist, right to her finger tips. - ----------------------------------------------------- That's the end of that but, if there are any other Joni mentions in the book, I will certainly share with you. Info on Barbara: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monique_Serf Now, who the heck is Ben? Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:43:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Veronique Sanson - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > Veronique Sanson was in a relationship with French > singer/songwriter Michel Belanger, Oops. Big mistake. Michel Berger. I knew this but typed it wrong for some reason. Berger was also a wonderful songwriter. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:11:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Veronique Sanson I'm glad to know that Veronique made friends with Joni and didn't allow jealousy to undo all the joy in music like so many other females have done with Joni. Thanks, Catherine, for this interesting article. Does anyone know if Joni has ever met Rickie Lee Jones? Joni's my number 1 and Rickie Lee's my number 2 of all time. With Love, Jeannie PS: Oh my, Mezcal? Worse hangover of all time. I wonder who got to swallow the worm? - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > I am almost as big a fan of French singer-songwriter > Veronique Sanson as I am of Joni Mitchell. I first > heard her songs when I was at Universite Laval in > Quebec City in 1974-75. She is huge in the > French-speaking world, but pretty much unknown in > the > US and English Canada. > > I knew that Veronique had been married to Stephen > Stills and that she lived with him in the US for a > number of years until she left him to return to > France. They have a son, Christopher Stills, who is > also a musician. > > I'm currently reading a biography of hers called "La > douceur du danger" (which translates as something > like > "The sweetness of danger.") It seems that Madelle > Sanson is often drawn to the dangerous side of life, > including bad boys such as Stephen Stills. The book > was published in 2005 and is written interview > style, > with Varrod asking Sanson questions, to which she > responds very openly. > > I had always wondered whether Sanson and Mitchell > had > ever met one another. I'm about half-way through > reading this book and was gobsmacked to discover > that > yes, indeed, they did meet and they seemed to hit it > off very well. > > Veronique Sanson was in a relationship with French > singer/songwriter Michel Belanger, when she met > Stephen Stills in Paris. Although she had heard of > his reputation as a womanizer, drinker and druggie, > she fell in love with him immediately despite > herself, > so much so, that she left Berger for Stills and > ended > up marrying him. Part of her realized she might be > making a mistake, but she didn't want to let down > her > parents or his, and told her sister just before > marrying Stills in England, that she could always > divorce him later. (Does that remind you of anyone?) > > In fact, a few years later, she suddenly left Stills > and fled back to France. > > Here is my translation of that excerpt from the > book: > > Didier Varrod: You also met Joni Mitchell during > that > time. People often say she's the American Sanson. > She > also sang with Crosby, Stills and Nash. > > Veronique Sanson: I know. I met Joni Mitchell in > Los > Angeles where we often used to go. At that time, I > was > living in Colorado, where we had am amazing studio, > Caribou Studio, which was underneath our home. Joni > and I met each other in LA and we liked each other > right away. Steve told me that music would unite > us. > He was not mistaken. I played piano for her and she > did the same for me. In the end, we really became > friends. We took turns singing our songs. She would > call and tell me, "I've got a song. Would you like > to > come to hear it at my place?" And vice versa. We > liked > each other a lot. > > Strangely enough, she reminds me of [the French > singer} Barbara, because, just like Barbara, Joni > never had much sense of time. Alone at the piano, > that > worked out fine, but, with other musicians, they > were > obliged to follow her. She was a wonderful girl. But > we never saw each other much after that, except > maybe > once or twice, about ten years after that. I know > that some possibly well-intentioned people went to > see > her, asking, "Do you know Veronique Sanson?" and she > answered right away, "What? Of course, Vero - very > well!" But in the US, people see each other, rub > elbows, touch each others' lives and then, from one > day to the next, it's all over - "Bye, bye love!" > That explains that sort of thing and their inability > to have any kind of history because they don't > really > take care of their > interpersonal relationships. > > But, as far as Joni Mitchell is concerned, it's a > relationship that corresponds directly to that > particular time. She was a girl with extremely good > taste. For example, where people live tells you a > great deal about them. Her home was very beautiful. > There wasn't one thing that wasn't in good taste. I > remember her carpets, the rugs that she had had made > and her magnificent piano where we used to get > together. > > One day, when Steve was touring with Ben, Joni > Mitchell's man at that time, we both stayed at her > place because I even lived with her for a while. One > night, she got out a bottle of mezcal, which had an > enormous white worm in it. I had never seen such a > thing before. I said, "What is that horrible thing?" > > > She answered, "You'll see - it's absolutely > incredible." > > We sat down at the piano and all through the night > we > drank that bottle of mezcal. We woke up underneath > the > piano in a horrible state, with a terrible headache. > Without remembering one thing we had played. In > short, > we were accomplices. And, it's true, she was also > very > close to Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young. Because she > also had a huge talent at drawing, she even designed > an amazing album cover for them. She painted, she > sculpted, she could do every kind of art. She was a > true artist, right to her finger tips. > - ----------------------------------------------------- > > That's the end of that but, if there are any other > Joni mentions in the book, I will certainly share > with > you. > > Info on Barbara: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monique_Serf > > Now, who the heck is Ben? > > Catherine > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard > is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new > Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to > New Mail today or register for free at > http://mail.yahoo.ca > ~nj~ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:27:16 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: thank you South Carolina!!!! SJC I was just asking ... I thought maybe I missed an endorsement or something. Vince Lavieri wrote: and the sjc is some jerk can't type and I mistyped. Fucking damn I am a piece of shit and am sorry, Mike, it should have been njc that must have been tough to figure that a mistake got made just another reminder of how I never reached the perfection of the rest of the jmdl and why posting here should be left to the elite Vince On Jan 27, 2008 10:12 AM, Michael Flaherty wrote: And the SJC is .... what? Vince Lavieri wrote: thanks Democrats in South Carolina for showing us we can do it!!!!! Vince - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:27:47 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Veronique Sanson Thanks for sharing this info. I knew Stephen Stills was married to Veronique Sanson, a French girl, but was never aware she was a singer-songwriter herself. Good to know. Also, thanks for the Joni tidbits. It's always good to read Joni's encounters (inspired especially) with others. See? It just goes to show you Joni COULD/can be friends with fellow female musicians. Love the piano story. -M Catherine McKay wrote: I am almost as big a fan of French singer-songwriter Veronique Sanson as I am of Joni Mitchell. I first heard her songs when I was at Universite Laval in Quebec City in 1974-75. She is huge in the French-speaking world, but pretty much unknown in the US and English Canada. 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