From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #435 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, January 21 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 435 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SV: Joni's complaints ["Marion Leffler" ] DED interview [Michel BYRNE ] Re: SV: Joni's complaints [Monika Bogdanowicz ] David Crosby ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #434 ["Steve T." ] Re: David Crosby [Coleen ] JM article link - yet another one! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Larry Klein [Jeannie ] Re: Re: Clapton overated (sic) [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni: A Stormy Love Affair w/Chirist [Bobsart48@] Re: David Crosby [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: David Crosby ["Jerry Notaro" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:44:33 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni's complaints Monika, whatever Joni feels she feels. Of course there is nothing wrong with it, and I am sure competition was part of the relationships between musicians in the 60s and 70s as much as it is today. However, talking publicly about specific collegues and giving them a bad name is not a very charming quality, to my mind anyway. Yet, I am very suspicious of reporters; they often have to meet a deadline and often are not that interested in writing their story in a balanced way. So its more than likely that these quotes from Joni are taken out of context and that once again her openness and honesty has worked against her. Marion _____ Fren: Monika Bogdanowicz [mailto:motitan75@yahoo.com] Skickat: den 19 januari 2008 16:54 Till: Joni people!; Marion Leffler Dmne: Re: Joni's complaints I have not read the entire Mojo interview yet (soon soon, my sister and I have to go to Borders soon soon) but I will say I agree with what you say. It seems the same questions are asked when interviewing Joni so what is she going to say but the same ol' answers? Sure, she could blow the questions off (like some musicians do) but that'd only make her look like an a-hole so she answers them. I don't have a problem with Joni expressing the competitiveness of female artists in the 60's/70's because I'm sure there was just as there was competitiveness among the bands in the 60's (and beyond) and some of the male artists. And if Joni felt like Janis Joplin didn't like her and Joan Baez wanted to break her limbs, well that's just what she felt so I can't say it's wrong or just paranoia (although as I already expressed my dislike for Baez I would not be surprised about her hating almost everyone). We all feel that way with different people whether it's real or not and Joni (and Baez and Joplin) had the whole trying to make good albums-be successful-make a difference thing-do better than the next person- going for them which all of do not have when it comes to tensions between people. - -Monika Marion Leffler wrote: I think the media has her down as the artist who will say unfavourable things about the music business. They expect it from her and they probably ask the same questions over and over again. I am not excusing Joni, she should find a way to put an end to this. It's boring to read, really, since we have heard it all before. Well, not the story about her difficulties with Janis Joplin maybe (Joan Baez we already knew about) but her other complaints. Marion _____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:10:55 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: DED interview Bob, thanks SO MUCH for posting this! This beats any of Joni's recent interviews, with the interviewer showing real interest in the music and the creative process. I've always loved the DED album, every song except the last (there's always one!), in spite of the brutal 80s percussion, and hearing those three stripped down to guitar and piano was a joy. Very kind of you to share this. 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My brother had a Janis Joplin bio (which I never read though I've seen that documentary with her in it and have read things) which had just about one of the saddest things I have ever read. I think on the back cover, or maybe on the inside cover, there was a letter to Janis' parents basically asking for forgiveness for letting them down and basically it seemed, like ever being born. I think Janis Joplin's stage persona was very, very different than the real life Janis Joplin, which sometimes is the case with musicians. All in all, if nothing else, I think Joni is very perceptive. She always is in tune with the things and people around her or so it seems. I really don't think Joni was trying to remind anyone of a 30+ year feud or bitter rivalry or trying to conjure one up out of the blue right now as it seems some are picking that up to be. Afterall, Joni didn't actually say anything negative about either of the two musicians. From reading the comments on those articles that were posted I could tell how what Joni actually said and what people think she said are two completely different things. People are making up their own rivalry, thanks to journalists (always a pleasure). I've seen MANY musicians say really horrible things about other musicians (with that intention) and it's almost no big deal. What Joni said is not even negative in its tone to Janis or Joan......ah well. Whatever will be, will be. -Monika Marion Leffler wrote: Monika, whatever Joni feels she feels. Of course there is nothing wrong with it, and I am sure competition was part of the relationships between musicians in the 60s and 70s as much as it is today. However, talking publicly about specific collegues and giving them a bad name is not a very charming quality, to my mind anyway. Yet, I am very suspicious of reporters; they often have to meet a deadline and often are not that interested in writing their story in a balanced way. So its more than likely that these quotes from Joni are taken out of context and that once again her openness and honesty has worked against her. Marion - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:07:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: David Crosby Lots of Joni content on CBS Sunday Morning. David says CSN first sang together and discovered the magic in Joni's living room. Great story. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:56:28 +0000 From: "Steve T." Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #434 Re: DED - Rock Master Class That was ace, thanks Bob! Joni didn't have such a chip on her shoulder then (she seems like a real grouch now). Of course the failure of DED could have contributed to this. I was just thinking; all Joni's music has been in the DED vein ever since. Llyrically, but also hearing these stripped down versions; they could have been on NRH years later. This of course is Joni's longest stint of this phase of her career. I mean the girl and guitar thing was from 68 - 72, pop-rock-jazz 73 - 80, WTF was a bit of a wild card, political adult rock 85 - ... Perhaps she might feel she has cracked it with Shine now and go in a new direction!? I mean hasn't Shine been her biggest commercial success in this era of her career? Just a thought... I was just thinking that Joni has success with every other style (of course I am being broad) of hers apart from this one up until now. Go Joni! Back to the rock master class; yes completely enjoyed that. She was brimming with humility and good feelings. Very on the ball and not too bent out of shape. I think the years after really did take their toll on her in many ways. Shine seems a slight bounce back though. Re: Playin like a fallin angel...Playin like a rising star Joni live. No Kevin, it's never going to happen now in my life time (sadness) Subject: Kilauren mention? Yes David, though the song is generally about letting go of things as one ages, that does seem a definite nod to Kilauren. Read about all the business about her husband and fight with Joni a year or two back - really upsetting. - -- Steve T. www.vegansteven.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:37:49 -0500 From: Coleen Subject: Re: David Crosby Thanks Jerry. I had missed the show this morning but thanks to your alert (and satellite TV), I caught it 3 hours later on the west coast feed. One of the best interviews I've seen with Crosby. Really enjoyed it. Coleen On 20-Jan-08, at 10:07 AM, Jerry Notaro wrote: > Lots of Joni content on CBS Sunday Morning. David says CSN first sang > together and discovered the magic in Joni's living room. Great story. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:34:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: JM article link - yet another one! Well I've met Graham (& Susan his wife) in a private social situation & he is as you say, very grounded & down to earth & as unpretentious as they come. A true gentleman. Kate > Well, in Nash's defense I don't think anyone who really is familiar with his music or his personality (through interviews and what others say) could say he was ever pretentious. He's one of the most grounded, down to earth fellows in the music industry...and that's saying a lot since most of them are not grounded. < ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Larry Klein There's lots to converse about Larry, as far as I'm concerned. Someone like Larry must have eased Joni's soul in so many ways. Love, Jeannie PS: I'll be back this evening to finally return to my special place on the subject of Larry and those assholes who threw things at Joni on stage. I don't get a damn thing when it comes to these bloodless humans holding rocks that hurt and harm in their dirty hands. Going to my mom's home to remove the rest of the charred material goods burned during that Christmas fire out of my bedroom, for tomorrow the reconstruction begins. The flames I recently experienced from certain family members were anything than warm--more like the recent relentless flames of Malibu feeling like my right to be human was going over too--knocking and clocking my every move, as I now look at those certain few in compassion and even in forgiveness as Karma is now knocking them as they reach out to me like the waves of Malibu in regret and I can't be reached by them for quite a long time because the stones they threw hurt and harm permanently scar in absolute disbelief that one can never forget the pain they cause for no apparent reason like Joni being up there on stage. Why? Eric Taylor wrote: Reading all the passionate posts about Joni's 80s albums i just need to add my two cents (without throwing them at the stage).....;~D I have loved every album she has ever released since I was turned on to Blue by a gay friend in 1975. Joni became my favorite recording artist in 1980 when I discovered Hejira & DJRD and she has remained my favorite musician ever since. I immediately adored WTRF, DED & CMIARS from the day they were released and adore them even more to this day. In my opinion Larry Klein continues to be the greatest contributor to Joni's music and production BY FAR than anyone else! I find Larry's bass playing much more effective with her unique sound than even Jaco. And NO ONE has contributed more to Joni's lasting brillience than Larry. You can have Tom Scott's predictable pop jazz. Larry Klein deserves a-hell-of-a-lot more credit for Joni's creative longevity! Sorry i'm so bluntly opinionated. ET nj ' - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:08:38 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Clapton overated (sic) Bob Muller posted circa 1/10: > > > Darice, thanks for this - I feel the same way. Clapton has to be one of > the most over-rated musicians of all time. He had the wisdom or good luck > to surround himself with some of the finest guitar players ever and basked > in their glow. > it's a bigger mistake still as his vocals are also tepid and complacent." Andeemac2006 replied, in part, as follows: "You must be joking,, I suppose that Hendrix was stupid like you !!........ that he is Overated is stupid to the point of being Ignorant because you could say he did it first ????...........If your only joking !!!!!!!! how stupid again" Now it's my turn. Andy, I think it is perfectly clear that Bob was not joking. He was expressing his opinion, which is perfectly appropriate on this list. What is not appropriate is your calling him stupid, not that anyone else on this list - with ample evidence of Bob's intelligence - would attach any credibility to your charge. Bobsart PS to Andy - you may want to work a bit harder on your grammar when posting to the list, if you wish to avoid giving the appearance of being ignorant. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:10:17 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni: A Stormy Love Affair w/Chirist I apologize for once again replying only after a long hiatus. Bob M replied on 1/8 in a chain (I hope all my comments/questions here haven't already been addressed in later digests); "Thanks for the laugh this article provided, Bene - calling it "peculiar" doesn't do it justice." Yes, it is more than peculiar - amusing, playful, sophomoric and, if serious (which seems very dubious to me), then more than bemusing. Bob continued "Just seeing the "Hanoi Jane" reference confirms that the writer is a neocon bible-thumping fundamentalist, the kind that Joni has always been so critical of and continues to be so. In interviews she confirms that she doesn't align herself with any one religion, taking something from a variety of doctrines, and that of the the major religions she is more Buddhist than anything." Of course, Bob, you may be right - particularly if you are correct in taking the author seriously. I wonder who it is. Someone else thought it was the actor from Law and Order. I noticed a reference to a Michael Moriarty on David Lahm's website - David, is there any connection there ? Or is it a third, unknown person posting somewhere in internetspaceanonymous ? Bobsart **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:47:31 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: David Crosby But we don't really know if the "magic" was indeed in Joni's room or Mama Cass' or even John Sebastian's as Stephen Stills claims! All the members of CSN must have been too stoned to remember where exactly it happened as they all say something different. What about Joni? She doesn't even know... -Monika Jerry Notaro wrote: Lots of Joni content on CBS Sunday Morning. David says CSN first sang together and discovered the magic in Joni's living room. Great story. Jerry - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:50:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: David Crosby Well, David claims it was at Joni's the first time they harmonized together and realized "the magic." He tells a similar story on one of Joni's DVD's. Jerry Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > But we don't really know if the "magic" was indeed in Joni's room or > Mama Cass' or even John Sebastian's as Stephen Stills claims! All the > members of CSN must have been too stoned to remember where exactly it > happened as they all say something different. What about Joni? She > doesn't even know... > -Monika > > Jerry Notaro wrote: > Lots of Joni content on CBS Sunday Morning. David says CSN first sang > together and discovered the magic in Joni's living room. Great story. > > Jerry > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. 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