From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #430 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 16 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 430 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC ["Happy The Man" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #428 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #429 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Mojo interview [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Dog Eat Dog [MattJones ] Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC [Michael Paz ] Mojo [KEVIN DOHENY ] Re: WTRF (3GS) [Eric Taylor ] Dog Eat Dog Like and Dislike [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:31:35 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC Joseph, First I'm completely blown away that I didn't even know they were touring together. Beyond the three ladies, probably the only person I would fly across the US to see other then Joni is Buddy Miller. His album "Universal House of Prayer" was my favorite album two years ago. Like Michael I've been listening to a lot of Patty recently and have been focusing on "Flaming Red" probably her rockiest album of all. Two songs "Mary" and especially "Tony" have been heavy on my play list lately. Michael, I've got a single room but would enjoy sharing a room. Laura is not going to be able to make it her first granddaughter is scheduled for arrival that week. Peace, Craig NP: Patty Griffin - Tony On Jan 15, 2008 8:35 AM, Michael Paz wrote: > Joseph > What a fabulous story and so well written! I want to be a writer when > I grow up. I felt like I was sitting right there with you. I would > kill to see this show. I have worked with Emmy Lou once in the past > and Buddy was with her as was my friend Darryl Johnson (formerly with > the Nevilles and Lanois) and it was fab. I also worked once with Shawn > who was very gracious and sweet esp. with someone who was more > interested in her link to Joni and Larry than I was her. I listen to > Patty daily now as I am smitten with her voice and songs. I also play > her songs quite regularly and I find them so powerful as they make me > cry quite easily esp when I try to sing Nobody's Crying. I hope they > are recording these shows so we can all hear them. Thanks for posting. > Have a great 2008! > > Best > > Paz > > P.S. I guess this is as good a place as any to announce that I have a > better than 50% chance of being able to go to the FULL MOON RESORT for > a little fest that is being held there!!!!!! YaaaaaaaaY! Who all is > going??? Anybody need a roommate? > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: > > Okay since I already delurked for the BSN and "Control" threads, I > might as well tell you all that I watched a concert tonight called > "Three Girls and their Buddy" -- a concert featuring the combined > talents of Patty Griffin, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller. > > Some background story: > > Mary Chapin Carpenter was supposed to perform but she cancelled a few > weeks ago, so Memorial Hall in campus booked the four musicians > instead. Talk about a goldmine. I have always harbored a wish to see > Shawn Colvin in concert before I leave this country. But not only was > Colvin in the bill but also Emmylou and Patty and Buddy. Lucky me, I > was able to snag one of the last tickets for students before it got > sold out. > > The concert was mostly attended by older folks -- I see very few > college kids who were in the audience. The stage has a lot of guitars > and four chairs. When the lights dimmed, out came the four to > thunderous applause. Patty on the left, then Emmylou, Buddy and Shawn. > Emmylou is like an elder stateswoman, a matriarch among the four. She > and Buddy Miller are like a married couple with two precocious > daughters who sounded a bit alike when they sang individually. > > The onstage-patter was in itself a little gem of relaxed and > insightful conversations among friends who treated the stage and the > venue as their living room. No, maybe more like front porch where they > easily trade jokes and barbs to each other in comic and hilarious > fashion. Emmylou is like a lovable but fussy mother who tells stories > about each song she sang tonight and told back stories behind each > song Patty, Shawn and Buddy sang, in that conversational, almost > gossipy way. > > Each one sang a song with occasional duets and the whole concert > lasted for more than 2 hours. There were so many excellent to sublime > moments but here's the Joni part. > > Emmylou said that she is singing a Joni Mitchell song. She said nobody > can sing like Joni and probably no one can copy Joni because of her > intensely original way of singing and phrasing. She related how she > was involved in a Joni tribute some 4-5 years ago and that she was > excited to sing one, only to discover that other musicians already got > the songs she wanted to sing. "The song I am about to sing was taken > from "Turbulent Indigo" and it is a dark and rather angry song". While > talking about Joni she was already strumming the melody of "Magdalene > Laundries" in her guitar. She said, that it is rather unusual for Joni > to have a 'dark' song. Patty agreed by saying "yeah, almost un-Joni" > -- referring to the song. Emmylou also said "There was a movie that > came out a few years ago with the same title or so" then added "it was > also a cheery film just like this song". > > The admiration and respect accorded to Joni by that preface and > singular performance by Emmylou were most evident that night. Then > when she sang the opening lines of the song in that stark, fragile > voice, the audience became still. Emmylou seems to know the song very > well as her voice caressed each line; emphatically eviscerating the > phrase here, pulling back there and sometimes sing/croak the sad > plight of Irish catholic girls who became pregnant "sometimes by their > own fathers". Midway through the song, I felt cold as goose bumps > came. It was a very moving performance -- her diction was impeccably > clear; clean; luminous. > > Great applause after that. > > > Anyway, I thought Patty Griffin stepped up her performance tonight > that earned her new fans and great applause. She has a great voice -- > at once alto-esque then can spiral up and cleanly reach for the > highest notes needed in the song. She sounded like an early Shawn > Colvin because she has dusky low notes too that are so appealing. > Emmylou is so gracious and genuine and so funny just by her stories > ("I am 60 years old and I have a mother who is 86 and she still > commands me to wear a helmet when I bike"). Her voice is still pretty > solid and of the three women, she is soprano to Patty's mezzo and > Shawn's alto (just to be simplistic about it). > > But Shawn is probably the reason I want to see the concert as I think > I know all her songs, have all her albums, and I have this admiration > for her work (yeah I like her much-panned cd "Whole New You"). But she > was almost painfully shy. Her head was bowed most of the times whether > when singing or providing back up guitar to others. Her shortish hair > covers 75% of her face as though she is willing herself to disappear. > Her ad libs though are always funny (She told this story about her > daughter who loved Belle in Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" and she > dressed as Belle when Shawn took her to Disneyland. Everyone there > called her Belle and her daughter was beaming that Shawn said: "I > don't know about you folks, but if Disney can make my daughter smile > and laugh and be happy, here's all my money -- take it all -- thanks > for making my daughter happy!"). She confirmed that she is always shy > when journalists and music writers ask her profound questions about > her album. She said > that when she was promoting "These Four Walls", she was afraid that > news journalists might ask her things about her album and songs that > she would rather not discuss. So when she was asked about the theme of > TFW, she said in a forlorn and weary voice: "it is about death...and > regret.... with pretty guitars" and added "which I thought is actually > what the album is all about anyway". Love the self deprecation of this > woman but I somehow wished she stepped up her performance by just a > tiny bit. It was apparent tonight that she and Emmylou wanted to focus > to be on Patty. > > Buddy Miller is a genius. Why havent I heard of him before? He is > married to Julie Miller, yes? I love his voice which sounds like a > cross of John Lee Hooker, Porter Wagoner and Ben Lee (I kid you not!) > but his guitar playing is so excellent, so proficient that it surely > must have reached God in heaven or at least some amorphous deity that > is not of this world. His slide guitar seems to create a sonic scape > that is like strings arrangement that wallpaper the individual voices > of the three singers he accompanies. > > Anyway, when they all sang the last song (an Emmylou song from her > "Wrecking Ball" album), they all bowed while linking their arms to > each other. They look like a family. Emmylou as a the all-capable > mother, Buddy as the self-effacing father, and their two talented > daughters -- the pixie-faced Patty and the svelte and sexy Shawn. The > encore was an a capella piece with an odd meter that is part lullaby, > part railroad holler. Then they reserved the last for Patty to sing > while they all provide loving back ups. > > Joseph in Chapel Hill > (back to the bottom of the ocean) > np: The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends (how apt!) > > > --------------------------------- > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers > Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:31:35 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC Joseph, First I'm completely blown away that I didn't even know they were touring together. Beyond the three ladies, probably the only person I would fly across the US to see other then Joni is Buddy Miller. His album "Universal House of Prayer" was my favorite album two years ago. Like Michael I've been listening to a lot of Patty recently and have been focusing on "Flaming Red" probably her rockiest album of all. Two songs "Mary" and especially "Tony" have been heavy on my play list lately. Michael, I've got a single room but would enjoy sharing a room. Laura is not going to be able to make it her first granddaughter is scheduled for arrival that week. Peace, Craig NP: Patty Griffin - Tony On Jan 15, 2008 8:35 AM, Michael Paz wrote: > Joseph > What a fabulous story and so well written! I want to be a writer when > I grow up. I felt like I was sitting right there with you. I would > kill to see this show. I have worked with Emmy Lou once in the past > and Buddy was with her as was my friend Darryl Johnson (formerly with > the Nevilles and Lanois) and it was fab. I also worked once with Shawn > who was very gracious and sweet esp. with someone who was more > interested in her link to Joni and Larry than I was her. I listen to > Patty daily now as I am smitten with her voice and songs. I also play > her songs quite regularly and I find them so powerful as they make me > cry quite easily esp when I try to sing Nobody's Crying. I hope they > are recording these shows so we can all hear them. Thanks for posting. > Have a great 2008! > > Best > > Paz > > P.S. I guess this is as good a place as any to announce that I have a > better than 50% chance of being able to go to the FULL MOON RESORT for > a little fest that is being held there!!!!!! YaaaaaaaaY! Who all is > going??? Anybody need a roommate? > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: > > Okay since I already delurked for the BSN and "Control" threads, I > might as well tell you all that I watched a concert tonight called > "Three Girls and their Buddy" -- a concert featuring the combined > talents of Patty Griffin, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller. > > Some background story: > > Mary Chapin Carpenter was supposed to perform but she cancelled a few > weeks ago, so Memorial Hall in campus booked the four musicians > instead. Talk about a goldmine. I have always harbored a wish to see > Shawn Colvin in concert before I leave this country. But not only was > Colvin in the bill but also Emmylou and Patty and Buddy. Lucky me, I > was able to snag one of the last tickets for students before it got > sold out. > > The concert was mostly attended by older folks -- I see very few > college kids who were in the audience. The stage has a lot of guitars > and four chairs. When the lights dimmed, out came the four to > thunderous applause. Patty on the left, then Emmylou, Buddy and Shawn. > Emmylou is like an elder stateswoman, a matriarch among the four. She > and Buddy Miller are like a married couple with two precocious > daughters who sounded a bit alike when they sang individually. > > The onstage-patter was in itself a little gem of relaxed and > insightful conversations among friends who treated the stage and the > venue as their living room. No, maybe more like front porch where they > easily trade jokes and barbs to each other in comic and hilarious > fashion. Emmylou is like a lovable but fussy mother who tells stories > about each song she sang tonight and told back stories behind each > song Patty, Shawn and Buddy sang, in that conversational, almost > gossipy way. > > Each one sang a song with occasional duets and the whole concert > lasted for more than 2 hours. There were so many excellent to sublime > moments but here's the Joni part. > > Emmylou said that she is singing a Joni Mitchell song. She said nobody > can sing like Joni and probably no one can copy Joni because of her > intensely original way of singing and phrasing. She related how she > was involved in a Joni tribute some 4-5 years ago and that she was > excited to sing one, only to discover that other musicians already got > the songs she wanted to sing. "The song I am about to sing was taken > from "Turbulent Indigo" and it is a dark and rather angry song". While > talking about Joni she was already strumming the melody of "Magdalene > Laundries" in her guitar. She said, that it is rather unusual for Joni > to have a 'dark' song. Patty agreed by saying "yeah, almost un-Joni" > -- referring to the song. Emmylou also said "There was a movie that > came out a few years ago with the same title or so" then added "it was > also a cheery film just like this song". > > The admiration and respect accorded to Joni by that preface and > singular performance by Emmylou were most evident that night. Then > when she sang the opening lines of the song in that stark, fragile > voice, the audience became still. Emmylou seems to know the song very > well as her voice caressed each line; emphatically eviscerating the > phrase here, pulling back there and sometimes sing/croak the sad > plight of Irish catholic girls who became pregnant "sometimes by their > own fathers". Midway through the song, I felt cold as goose bumps > came. It was a very moving performance -- her diction was impeccably > clear; clean; luminous. > > Great applause after that. > > > Anyway, I thought Patty Griffin stepped up her performance tonight > that earned her new fans and great applause. She has a great voice -- > at once alto-esque then can spiral up and cleanly reach for the > highest notes needed in the song. She sounded like an early Shawn > Colvin because she has dusky low notes too that are so appealing. > Emmylou is so gracious and genuine and so funny just by her stories > ("I am 60 years old and I have a mother who is 86 and she still > commands me to wear a helmet when I bike"). Her voice is still pretty > solid and of the three women, she is soprano to Patty's mezzo and > Shawn's alto (just to be simplistic about it). > > But Shawn is probably the reason I want to see the concert as I think > I know all her songs, have all her albums, and I have this admiration > for her work (yeah I like her much-panned cd "Whole New You"). But she > was almost painfully shy. Her head was bowed most of the times whether > when singing or providing back up guitar to others. Her shortish hair > covers 75% of her face as though she is willing herself to disappear. > Her ad libs though are always funny (She told this story about her > daughter who loved Belle in Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" and she > dressed as Belle when Shawn took her to Disneyland. Everyone there > called her Belle and her daughter was beaming that Shawn said: "I > don't know about you folks, but if Disney can make my daughter smile > and laugh and be happy, here's all my money -- take it all -- thanks > for making my daughter happy!"). She confirmed that she is always shy > when journalists and music writers ask her profound questions about > her album. She said > that when she was promoting "These Four Walls", she was afraid that > news journalists might ask her things about her album and songs that > she would rather not discuss. So when she was asked about the theme of > TFW, she said in a forlorn and weary voice: "it is about death...and > regret.... with pretty guitars" and added "which I thought is actually > what the album is all about anyway". Love the self deprecation of this > woman but I somehow wished she stepped up her performance by just a > tiny bit. It was apparent tonight that she and Emmylou wanted to focus > to be on Patty. > > Buddy Miller is a genius. Why havent I heard of him before? He is > married to Julie Miller, yes? I love his voice which sounds like a > cross of John Lee Hooker, Porter Wagoner and Ben Lee (I kid you not!) > but his guitar playing is so excellent, so proficient that it surely > must have reached God in heaven or at least some amorphous deity that > is not of this world. His slide guitar seems to create a sonic scape > that is like strings arrangement that wallpaper the individual voices > of the three singers he accompanies. > > Anyway, when they all sang the last song (an Emmylou song from her > "Wrecking Ball" album), they all bowed while linking their arms to > each other. They look like a family. Emmylou as a the all-capable > mother, Buddy as the self-effacing father, and their two talented > daughters -- the pixie-faced Patty and the svelte and sexy Shawn. The > encore was an a capella piece with an odd meter that is part lullaby, > part railroad holler. Then they reserved the last for Patty to sing > while they all provide loving back ups. > > Joseph in Chapel Hill > (back to the bottom of the ocean) > np: The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends (how apt!) > > > --------------------------------- > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers > Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:32:40 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: WTRF I thought the Amensty show stress from the crowd added to the effectiveness of 3 Great Stimulants. I listened to DED the other day and I have to admit I like some of the tracks esp. Good Friends, the song DED. Ethiopia, and Impossible Dreamer. The production is weak. *I* could have done a much better job than that Dolby character. I also love the demo of Good Friends from the Geffen release. Best Paz NP-Louisiana IA PHJB Live Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 15, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Randy Remote wrote: I would really like to have an honest discussion with everyone who hates Dog Eat Dog..I really want to know why most hate it so much.. Hate is too strong a word, and I also doubt that "most" dislike it, but I have tried to like it, without success. I do like "Good Friends" and "Shiny Toys". What's not good about it, IMO: 1. The production is plastic, gimmicky. Electronic drum sounds, synthetic sounding reverb...a desparate attempt to be contemporary. Thomas Dolby: bad idea. Blinded me with circuit boards. 2. The vocals aren't that great, or mixed well in relation to the music. Smoking damage beginning to show. 3. The songs are wordy, awkward and unmusical. 4. It simply isn't enjoyable in any way. Like a spoonful of castor oil. If you have ever heard "3 Great Stimulants" from the Amnesty concert, it is a far more effective version, no pretense. The version on DED seems soul-less in comparison. Joni was out of her element, and it showed bigtime. RR ps WTRF is one of my favorite albums, despite reminding me, acronym-wise of WTF. What The Royal Fuck? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:53:43 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #428 In a message dated 1/15/2008 3:02:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Anyway, I thought Patty Griffin stepped up her performance tonight that earned her new fans and great applause. She has a great voice -- at once alto-esque then can spiral up and cleanly reach for the highest notes needed in the song. She sounded like an early Shawn Colvin because she has dusky low notes too that are so appealing. Emmylou is so gracious and genuine and so funny just by her stories ("I am 60 years old and I have a mother who is 86 and she still commands me to wear a helmet when I bike"). Her voice is still pretty solid and of the three women, she is soprano to Patty's mezzo and Shawn's alto (just to be simplistic about it). ..... This review was a pleasure to read. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:55:10 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #429 In a message dated 1/15/2008 5:04:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: So is the next question - what do YOU think is the Aretha moment in Ladies Man?... Joni .. Aretha??? Nope **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Mojo interview Hmm....I do find it rather curious that Joni and Janis didn't get on well or atleast that Joni got the impression Janis hated her. Janis Joplin seemed like a pretty easygoing gal so I wonder why? However, I wonder if she really did have a problem with Joni or Joni just felt like she did? You know what I mean? Sometimes you think there are those who don't like you but often it's in your head (not that it was all in Joni's head but I'm just saying). As for Baez, well I'd be more surprised if I actually read somewhere that she liked someone..anyone...other than herself. -Monika anon anon wrote: I thought the interview with Joni in the lastest issue of Mojo magazine was very interesting... In a way I'm suprised that Joni had so much trouble getting along with Janis Joplin, Joan Baez and Laura Nyro... apparently Joni felt hated by Janis, and Joni felt as if Joan Baez wanted to break her leg... jealousy, most likely... In a way it's suprising because Janis Joplin got along very well with Raquel Welch on the Dick Cavett show. though Janis and Raquel are in different occupations, so I guess it makes sense that there would be less jealousy between them then there would be between Janis and Joni... _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:35:36 -0800 (PST) From: MattJones Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog It took me several years to wrap my ears around Dog Eat Dog. When I first heard it, I was totally turned off by the slick production, the synths, all the things that made it sound mechanical and metallic. Fast forward several years to the first time I heard those acoustic live performances of "Stimulants" "Dog Eat Dog" and "Impossible Dreamer." Hearing those three songs re-contextualized into a familiar Joni idiom opened them up for me. They were strongly melodic, poetic songs, which the production on the album initially prevented me from hearing. So, I decided to give the album another try. This time around, it was as if I was hearing Joni for the first time again. The whole album seemed to be ironic. Certainly, all the traditional Joni elements are there (provocative lyrics, compelling melodic lines, delicious dissonances in the harmony) but they are wrapped up in the sounds of the 80s, a sort of postmodern critical commentary or a big raspberry in the face of 80s materialism, what she will later refer to as the failure of her generation to fulfill its promise, long-standing frustration with the record business, politics, the economy, and the environment....quintessential Joni, in my humble opinion. Having said that, the album does sound dated in many respects; even Joni says that. However, I feel it's still a relevant and important album, and it's far too often poo poo'ed on in evaluations of her output, as are WTRF and Chalk Mark. So, if you're having trouble getting into DED, try listening to those acoustic performances...someone on the list (me, for that matter) will gladly send you the mp3s. that's my two cents! MJ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:36:49 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC Craig Thanks alot. I will be in touch. I hope this works out with everything. I am waiting to hear back from Ashara on a few things too. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Happy The Man wrote: Joseph, First I'm completely blown away that I didn't even know they were touring together. Beyond the three ladies, probably the only person I would fly across the US to see other then Joni is Buddy Miller. His album "Universal House of Prayer" was my favorite album two years ago. Like Michael I've been listening to a lot of Patty recently and have been focusing on "Flaming Red" probably her rockiest album of all. Two songs "Mary" and especially "Tony" have been heavy on my play list lately. Michael, I've got a single room but would enjoy sharing a room. Laura is not going to be able to make it her first granddaughter is scheduled for arrival that week. Peace, Craig NP: Patty Griffin - Tony On Jan 15, 2008 8:35 AM, Michael Paz wrote: Joseph What a fabulous story and so well written! I want to be a writer when I grow up. I felt like I was sitting right there with you. I would kill to see this show. I have worked with Emmy Lou once in the past and Buddy was with her as was my friend Darryl Johnson (formerly with the Nevilles and Lanois) and it was fab. I also worked once with Shawn who was very gracious and sweet esp. with someone who was more interested in her link to Joni and Larry than I was her. I listen to Patty daily now as I am smitten with her voice and songs. I also play her songs quite regularly and I find them so powerful as they make me cry quite easily esp when I try to sing Nobody's Crying. I hope they are recording these shows so we can all hear them. Thanks for posting. Have a great 2008! Best Paz P.S. I guess this is as good a place as any to announce that I have a better than 50% chance of being able to go to the FULL MOON RESORT for a little fest that is being held there!!!!!! YaaaaaaaaY! Who all is going??? Anybody need a roommate? Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: Okay since I already delurked for the BSN and "Control" threads, I might as well tell you all that I watched a concert tonight called "Three Girls and their Buddy" -- a concert featuring the combined talents of Patty Griffin, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller. Some background story: Mary Chapin Carpenter was supposed to perform but she cancelled a few weeks ago, so Memorial Hall in campus booked the four musicians instead. Talk about a goldmine. I have always harbored a wish to see Shawn Colvin in concert before I leave this country. But not only was Colvin in the bill but also Emmylou and Patty and Buddy. Lucky me, I was able to snag one of the last tickets for students before it got sold out. The concert was mostly attended by older folks -- I see very few college kids who were in the audience. The stage has a lot of guitars and four chairs. When the lights dimmed, out came the four to thunderous applause. Patty on the left, then Emmylou, Buddy and Shawn. Emmylou is like an elder stateswoman, a matriarch among the four. She and Buddy Miller are like a married couple with two precocious daughters who sounded a bit alike when they sang individually. The onstage-patter was in itself a little gem of relaxed and insightful conversations among friends who treated the stage and the venue as their living room. No, maybe more like front porch where they easily trade jokes and barbs to each other in comic and hilarious fashion. Emmylou is like a lovable but fussy mother who tells stories about each song she sang tonight and told back stories behind each song Patty, Shawn and Buddy sang, in that conversational, almost gossipy way. Each one sang a song with occasional duets and the whole concert lasted for more than 2 hours. There were so many excellent to sublime moments but here's the Joni part. Emmylou said that she is singing a Joni Mitchell song. She said nobody can sing like Joni and probably no one can copy Joni because of her intensely original way of singing and phrasing. She related how she was involved in a Joni tribute some 4-5 years ago and that she was excited to sing one, only to discover that other musicians already got the songs she wanted to sing. "The song I am about to sing was taken from "Turbulent Indigo" and it is a dark and rather angry song". While talking about Joni she was already strumming the melody of "Magdalene Laundries" in her guitar. She said, that it is rather unusual for Joni to have a 'dark' song. Patty agreed by saying "yeah, almost un-Joni" - -- referring to the song. Emmylou also said "There was a movie that came out a few years ago with the same title or so" then added "it was also a cheery film just like this song". The admiration and respect accorded to Joni by that preface and singular performance by Emmylou were most evident that night. Then when she sang the opening lines of the song in that stark, fragile voice, the audience became still. Emmylou seems to know the song very well as her voice caressed each line; emphatically eviscerating the phrase here, pulling back there and sometimes sing/croak the sad plight of Irish catholic girls who became pregnant "sometimes by their own fathers". Midway through the song, I felt cold as goose bumps came. It was a very moving performance -- her diction was impeccably clear; clean; luminous. Great applause after that. Anyway, I thought Patty Griffin stepped up her performance tonight that earned her new fans and great applause. She has a great voice -- at once alto-esque then can spiral up and cleanly reach for the highest notes needed in the song. She sounded like an early Shawn Colvin because she has dusky low notes too that are so appealing. Emmylou is so gracious and genuine and so funny just by her stories ("I am 60 years old and I have a mother who is 86 and she still commands me to wear a helmet when I bike"). Her voice is still pretty solid and of the three women, she is soprano to Patty's mezzo and Shawn's alto (just to be simplistic about it). But Shawn is probably the reason I want to see the concert as I think I know all her songs, have all her albums, and I have this admiration for her work (yeah I like her much-panned cd "Whole New You"). But she was almost painfully shy. Her head was bowed most of the times whether when singing or providing back up guitar to others. Her shortish hair covers 75% of her face as though she is willing herself to disappear. Her ad libs though are always funny (She told this story about her daughter who loved Belle in Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" and she dressed as Belle when Shawn took her to Disneyland. Everyone there called her Belle and her daughter was beaming that Shawn said: "I don't know about you folks, but if Disney can make my daughter smile and laugh and be happy, here's all my money -- take it all -- thanks for making my daughter happy!"). She confirmed that she is always shy when journalists and music writers ask her profound questions about her album. She said that when she was promoting "These Four Walls", she was afraid that news journalists might ask her things about her album and songs that she would rather not discuss. So when she was asked about the theme of TFW, she said in a forlorn and weary voice: "it is about death...and regret.... with pretty guitars" and added "which I thought is actually what the album is all about anyway". Love the self deprecation of this woman but I somehow wished she stepped up her performance by just a tiny bit. It was apparent tonight that she and Emmylou wanted to focus to be on Patty. Buddy Miller is a genius. Why havent I heard of him before? He is married to Julie Miller, yes? I love his voice which sounds like a cross of John Lee Hooker, Porter Wagoner and Ben Lee (I kid you not!) but his guitar playing is so excellent, so proficient that it surely must have reached God in heaven or at least some amorphous deity that is not of this world. His slide guitar seems to create a sonic scape that is like strings arrangement that wallpaper the individual voices of the three singers he accompanies. Anyway, when they all sang the last song (an Emmylou song from her "Wrecking Ball" album), they all bowed while linking their arms to each other. They look like a family. Emmylou as a the all-capable mother, Buddy as the self-effacing father, and their two talented daughters -- the pixie-faced Patty and the svelte and sexy Shawn. The encore was an a capella piece with an odd meter that is part lullaby, part railroad holler. Then they reserved the last for Patty to sing while they all provide loving back ups. Joseph in Chapel Hill (back to the bottom of the ocean) np: The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends (how apt!) - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:46:07 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in conc ert - SJC Thanks everyone for the nice words. At this moment Phyliss must probably have seen the "Three Girls and their Buddy" concert in Asheville, so maybe we may have a report on that leg of the concert -- especially on a Joni cover that one of them may do. Maybe Shawn should sing "Blue Motel Room" as I think it suits her voice. Or her voice seems to suit the technical demands of that lovely song. Now, about Patty Griffin. I heard of her about two years ago, strangely enough in a Q&A with a North Carolina filmmaker Tim Kirkman who directed "Loggerheads". Kirkman said that he loved Patty that he made it a point to include her songs in the film. Something about the way Kirkman described Patty Griffin that caught my attention. So I got me the film's soundtrack and I liked the two PG songs there: "Cold as it gets" and "The Rowing Song" -- the latter was used very memorably in one of the film's dramatic scenes. So I got PG's first album "Living with Ghosts" and loved the spare guitar-and-voice arrangement. I have not picked another album since that but after the concert last night, I am inclined to get her albums one by one. Saw a friend today and when we realized we both attended the same concert last night, she said "Wasn't Patty Griffin amazing?!" confirming what I also thought that Patty's solos were last night's highlights. And oh she did "Mary" too. And Paz, you'll like this, Patty also sang "Nobody's Crying" so affectingly but because all her solos were uniformly memorable (oxymoron?), it was hard to pinpoint the sublimest from the sublime. Last few things about Buddy Miller. I listened to his albums in the radio station today and I like what I heard. For some reason, the live sets are more exciting than those recorded in the studio but I am now a fan so I will most likely acquire his albums one by one, and if I feel a bit eccentric, maybe in chronological order too. I played all four singers during my radio show this afternoon. Shawn's "These Four Walls" (so achingly beautiful), Emmylou's "Bang the Drum Slowly" (nice voice but a bit overproduced -- not her fault obviously), Patty Griffin's "Cold as it gets" (nice nice nice) and Buddy Miller's "That's How I Got To Memphis (tapping the more soulful Jim Lauderdale in him). If you do get a chance to see the tour of this four, and if you have a little disposable cash, buy their poster which has a very cool and tasteful design (plus all their autographs). Joseph np: Fine Young Cannibals - Good Thing - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:58:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: RE : re: desert island discs (BSN) Jerry wrote: >>I love Joni, but to compare her BSN to Lady In Satin is too much. Yes they both have a lady singer and an orchestra singing the American Songbook, but the comparison stops there. Joni has always sung her songs because she wrote them, and other songs well early in her career, but never to the level of Billie singing the songs in a milieu that she virtually created. With BSN, Joni took a stab at a bunch of songs that she admired as a youth and did pretty well. Billie's Lady In Satin is the end of an era and career that changed music.<< I must share the reaction of my 80 year old friend Dave, who adores Billie, when I first played him BSN back in 2000. When I returned to his room as the last song ended he had tears running down his face and told me "I MUST have this record!" He said that he hadn't heard anyone sing like that since he was a kid. BSN was the first Joni album that several of my older friends finally appreciated. But not all old farts feel that way about her music. I remember getting a big kick out of "Mr Television" Milton Bearl inviting Joni to play at his 80th? birthday party, extolling his love for NRH as well as all of her work. While BSN remains at the bottom of my favorite Joni album list I nonetheless LOVE IT, especially A Case Of You. I can't think of an artist more uniquely diverse in history! Can you??? ET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:00:06 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Mojo I haven't read it yet either..Mostly since I am cheap and just wait for them to eventually show up on jm.com and thru donation it's like sort of buying the magazine?? umm yeah.. (Thank you oh thank you) As far as Janis hating Joni ..Janis was probably drunk lol..As far as Baez goes..It couldn't have been that deep a riff since Joni did participate in the Bred and Roses festival and wasn't that founded by Mimi Farina(joan's sister) - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:49:00 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: WTRF (3GS) Michael Paz added: >>I thought the Amensty show stress from the crowd added to the effectiveness of 3 Great Stimulants.<< O HOW TRUE!!! I was in the third row center of that concert when Joni was introduced as the surprise guest. I was there to see U2 and couldn't believe my luck to witnesses my two favorites back to back! As Joni & Larry began playing 3GS a few A-holes directly behind me began throwing pennies at them. Then they hurled water balloons which hit Joni's electric guitar! I was about to murder those stupid F's when security dove on them. Temporarily distracted by the commotion I began to notice the amazing intensity which radiated from Joni and it suddenly became the best song of the 12 hour concert!!! 3GS is likewise stunning in the F&D ballet which I watched again tonight. Have we forgotten that this mindblowing ballet will be preforming this summer? I will definately be there! ET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:03:25 -0800 From: Subject: Dog Eat Dog Like and Dislike I think the problem some have with DED is it doesn't sound like the Joni we knew and loved. It's weird, but I think the album technically is very well done and the lyrics alone are some of her absolute best. (I converted a friend to Joni just by having him read the lyrics). To some there is just way too much of Klein and others' influence diluting the pure Joni here. I have heard and maybe Joni has also said somewhere that Klein wanted her to sound more 80s to be more saleable and popular. Bad move for the Joni purists. I think Klein's production work with several other artist, such as Shawn and Julia Fordham, is just wonderful. But I don't think Joni's music can be collaborated - it ends up being compromised and watered down. It's like if you really love a prime cut of steak, medium rare, perfectly cooked and then someone trying to be innovative serves you that same prime cut smothered in some kind of weird rosemary and fennel sauce. Ruined ;-) Can you imagine DED done completely Joni style? It would have been a totally different work. I did not like the Klein production values and influence on her albums. That is why when I first heard the song Night Ride Home one evening on a crowded freeway, I immediately spun off at the next exit to get to a music store to pick it up. I was finally hearing Joni's "voice" again like I had remembered it. So, bottom line, it is a very good album, but it is not all our Joni and that is why some have a slight aversion to it. Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #430 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)