From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #429 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, January 15 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 429 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in conc ert - SJC ["Ross, Les" ] Both Sides, Now [Rian Afriadi ] Urge For Going [Rian Afriadi ] Dog Eat Dog [Rian Afriadi ] Re: Urge For Going ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Urge For Going [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: RE : re: desert island discs ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: ladies man [Laura Stanley ] Re: Eric Clapton and John Lennon [Laura Stanley ] Re: RE : Control, Ian Curtis / Joy Division film - now JC [missblux@googl] Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC [Michael Paz ] RE : re: desert island discs [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC [Monika Bogdanowicz ] SV: Mojo interview ["Marion Leffler" ] Dog Eat Dog..In defense [KEVIN DOHENY ] Re: WTRF ["Randy Remote" ] Re: WTRF ["Marian Russell" ] Re: WTRF now vljc if any [Catherine McKay ] RE: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC ["Phyliss Ward" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:06:40 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in conc ert - SJC great review joseph, very many thanks that's a gig i'd have given my eye teeth to have been at. les (the london dud..:-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:08:39 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #428 In a message dated 01/15/2008 3:02:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: I would really like to have an honest discussion with everyone who hates Dog Eat Dog..I feel like I am trying to convert lol.. Good luck. Me - I think it's a fine album. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:41:25 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: RE : Control, Ian Curtis / Joy Division film - now JC I have yet to see it. The director, Anton Corbijn, also directed Joni Mitchell's "My Secret Place" video. How cool is that?! Much Joni Jamie Zooby > > > > I love "Control" too -- one of my top 5 best films of 2007, hands down. I > > heard of Joy Division through "Love Will Tear Us Apart" -- a song that is > > all the more beautiful when seen in the context of the film. I love "She's > > Lost Control" too as a song because of its intensity that gains momentum as > > it slowly reaches its feral denouement. Almost like Ravel's "Bolero" with > > its cascading crescendo. > > > > But "Control" is a beautiful film -- not just for its b&w palette that > > simultaneously reminds you of early Godard and those radical kitchen sink > > films Great Britain produced in the 60s. Sam Riley really got Ian Curtis' > > gesture and mannerism (in a parallel example, I thought Val Kilmer's Jim > > Morrison's portrayal in Oliver Stone's "The Doors" really nailed the almost > > effeminate ways of Morrison), and Samantha Morton is a joy to watch. God, > > this woman is a national treasure. Any film she appears in -- from "Morvern > > Callar" to "Sweet and Lowdown", and even as the tragic Mary Stuart in > > "Elizabeth: The Golden Age" -- guarantees top notch performance. Yet as good > > as she is, I thought Alexandra Maria Lara as Annik stood out. Do yourself a > > favor and watch Coppola's largely unseen "Youth Without Youth" to see what > > Lara can do. >> > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:34:57 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Ladies' Man Michael questioned Monika: So is the next question - what do YOU think is the Aretha moment in Ladies Man?... Monika gave up I brave myself to chime in. I have 3 of Arethas album : This Is Jazz, I Never Loved A Man The Way I Loved You, and Love Songs. Well, in my humblest opinion, the Aretha moment was found from 00.00 to 02.40, i mean, the song is full of Arethas fingerprint, specially the second and third verse. Yes Monika, you are correct, Joni never sang like that before. Rian NP. Simon and Garfunkel  Homeward Bound - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Both Sides, Now Joseph and Deb stated that they love BSN (the album) Well, i love the album too. And my favorite is BSN2000. The song is 100 times better than 1969s version. Her mature voice is so perfect for the song. Plus, IMO, when youre 57 y o, of course you can see life, love, and clouds from both sides, or even perhaps from all sides. My second favorite : Youve Changed. Rian PS. >>> BSN is like Joni's "Lady in Satin" album>>> I could not agree more. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Urge For Going Our friend Bob wrote: NP: Joni, "Urge For Going" (this song is so awesome - I really wonder why Joni omitted it from STAS - It fits the theme of leaving the city to venture to the seaside. Maybe because it had been previously recorded already?) +++ Wait a minute Bob! Not STAS. It was from Blue. From wikipedia: The album was almost released in a somewhat different form. In March of 1971, completed masters for the album were ready for production. Originally, there were three old songs that had not found their way on to one of her previous albums. At the last minute, Mitchell decided to remove two of the three so that she could add the new songs "All I Want" and "The Last Time I Saw Richard." "Urge for Going," her first song to achieve commercial success when recorded by country singer George Hamilton IV, was removed. It was later released as the B-side of "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" and again on her 1996 compilation album, Hits. Also removed was "Hunter (The Good Samaritan)," which has yet to appear on any official record. "Little Green," composed in 1967, was the only old song that remained. Rian NP  Simon & Garfunkel  Bookends Just Watched : Girl, Interrupted (Geee!!! This movie is genius! Oh, wish i could find the book in INA, does anybody have the e-book? I will be so happy if you share it) Still reading : Doctor Zhivago by Boris Pasternak - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:35:36 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Dog Eat Dog Kevin wrote: Changing courses for a second(and I know I am a bit ocd about this) but I would really like to have an honest discussion with everyone who hates Dog Eat Dog..I feel like I am trying to convert lol..But i really want to know why most hate it so much..But that'll be in another post.. +++ I love DED (see my email address!). And just like Kevin, i really want to know why most hate it so much. OK, So, DED hater, or people who dont like DED, speak up your mind please... Rian NP. Joni  Ladies' Man PS. But unlike Kevin, I am not trying to convert :-) - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:04:30 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Urge For Going Urge For Going was a really early song... and should've been included in STAS but I don't think she ever did a studio recording of it until 'Blue'. It has the imagery that she was using around the time of STAS. Can you imagine if the rest of STAS had been released with the clarity that the UFG recording has? Wow. George Hamilton IV had a hit with it in 1967, afterall.... perhaps Joni wanted her album to be free from 'Oh, she's doing a cover of that country song, how corny...' But who knows... Perhaps it didn't fit with the 'Down to the Seaside' half as there doesn't seem to have the nautical/beach theme that those songs have.... Much Joni Zooby On 15/01/2008, Rian Afriadi wrote: > Our friend Bob wrote: > > > NP: Joni, "Urge For Going" (this song is so awesome - I really wonder > > why Joni omitted it from STAS - It fits the theme of leaving the city > > to venture to the seaside. Maybe because it had been previously > > recorded already?) > > > +++ Wait a minute Bob! > Not STAS. It was from Blue. > > From wikipedia: > The album was almost released in a somewhat different form. In March of 1971, completed masters for the album were ready for production. Originally, there were three old songs that had not found their way on to one of her previous albums. At the last minute, Mitchell decided to remove two of the three so that she could add the new songs "All I Want" and "The Last Time I Saw Richard." "Urge for Going," her first song to achieve commercial success when recorded by country singer George Hamilton IV, was removed. It was later released as the B-side of "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" and again on her 1996 compilation album, Hits. Also removed was "Hunter (The Good Samaritan)," which has yet to appear on any official record. "Little Green," composed in 1967, was the only old song that remained. > > Rian > NP Simon & Garfunkel Bookends > Just Watched : Girl, Interrupted (Geee!!! This movie is genius! Oh, wish i could find the book in INA, does anybody have the e-book? I will be so happy if you share it) > Still reading : Doctor Zhivago by Boris Pasternak > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:04:31 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Urge For Going <+++ Wait a minute Bob! Not STAS. It was from Blue.> She had written the song prior to recording/releasing STAS. She could have easily included the track on STAS (and should have done so). That was my point. You are correct in saying that UFG was almost included on Blue. By the same token, she had "Little Green" in her back pocket early on as well but didn't release it until Blue which made sense. Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Wearing & Tearing" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Joni has always sung her songs because she wrote them, and other songs well early in her career, but never to the level of Billie singing the songs in a milieu that she virtually created. With BSN, Joni took a stab at a bunch of songs that she admired as a youth and did pretty well. Billie's Lady In Satin is the end of an era and career that changed music. Jerry Joseph Palis wrote: > > Many people said, BSN is like Joni's "Lady in Satin" album and I kinda > agree with the comparison -- both Billie and Joni showcased a mature, > almost-brittle voice that is all the more heartbreaking how the pristine > voiced has became what it became in later years. As though the singing > voice in itself is the medium of the message (very MacLuhannesque). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:10:44 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: ladies man ET wrote: > Hey, it's when you finally contribute your own voice > when a song truly starts to sound great (in one's > own ears anyway) > Just my 2 diminishing cents..... Hi Singer, I'm a driver, and Ladies Man grooves me like the roads through the Ozark mountains, best highway 27 on a bike. Ladies Man and the Ozarks are a finer high than to drink, toke, and drive the curvey ups and downs. I could see how the song might not groove in flat lands with long straight roads... Sergeant Peppers like a little mescaline for looking through the glass would. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:23:59 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Eric Clapton and John Lennon John mentions thought of him as a pick in this clip of him talking about why the Beatles broke up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGrP0jGhkMw&feature=related ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:30:17 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: RE : Control, Ian Curtis / Joy Division film - now JC Immesurably cool! Bn On Jan 15, 2008 12:41 PM, Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > I have yet to see it. The director, Anton Corbijn, also directed Joni > Mitchell's "My Secret Place" video. How cool is that?! > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zooby > > > > > > > > > I love "Control" too -- one of my top 5 best films of 2007, hands down. I > > > heard of Joy Division through "Love Will Tear Us Apart" -- a song that is > > > all the more beautiful when seen in the context of the film. I love "She's > > > Lost Control" too as a song because of its intensity that gains momentum as > > > it slowly reaches its feral denouement. Almost like Ravel's "Bolero" with > > > its cascading crescendo. > > > > > > But "Control" is a beautiful film -- not just for its b&w palette that > > > simultaneously reminds you of early Godard and those radical kitchen sink > > > films Great Britain produced in the 60s. Sam Riley really got Ian Curtis' > > > gesture and mannerism (in a parallel example, I thought Val Kilmer's Jim > > > Morrison's portrayal in Oliver Stone's "The Doors" really nailed the almost > > > effeminate ways of Morrison), and Samantha Morton is a joy to watch. God, > > > this woman is a national treasure. Any film she appears in -- from "Morvern > > > Callar" to "Sweet and Lowdown", and even as the tragic Mary Stuart in > > > "Elizabeth: The Golden Age" -- guarantees top notch performance. Yet as good > > > as she is, I thought Alexandra Maria Lara as Annik stood out. Do yourself a > > > favor and watch Coppola's largely unseen "Youth Without Youth" to see what > > > Lara can do. > >> > > -- > I am a lonely Painter > I live in a Box of Paints > I'm frightened by the devil > But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... > > Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at > > http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 > > acting CV and showreel at > http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 > > http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk > Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:35:35 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC Joseph What a fabulous story and so well written! I want to be a writer when I grow up. I felt like I was sitting right there with you. I would kill to see this show. I have worked with Emmy Lou once in the past and Buddy was with her as was my friend Darryl Johnson (formerly with the Nevilles and Lanois) and it was fab. I also worked once with Shawn who was very gracious and sweet esp. with someone who was more interested in her link to Joni and Larry than I was her. I listen to Patty daily now as I am smitten with her voice and songs. I also play her songs quite regularly and I find them so powerful as they make me cry quite easily esp when I try to sing Nobody's Crying. I hope they are recording these shows so we can all hear them. Thanks for posting. Have a great 2008! Best Paz P.S. I guess this is as good a place as any to announce that I have a better than 50% chance of being able to go to the FULL MOON RESORT for a little fest that is being held there!!!!!! YaaaaaaaaY! Who all is going??? Anybody need a roommate? Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: Okay since I already delurked for the BSN and "Control" threads, I might as well tell you all that I watched a concert tonight called "Three Girls and their Buddy" -- a concert featuring the combined talents of Patty Griffin, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller. Some background story: Mary Chapin Carpenter was supposed to perform but she cancelled a few weeks ago, so Memorial Hall in campus booked the four musicians instead. Talk about a goldmine. I have always harbored a wish to see Shawn Colvin in concert before I leave this country. But not only was Colvin in the bill but also Emmylou and Patty and Buddy. Lucky me, I was able to snag one of the last tickets for students before it got sold out. The concert was mostly attended by older folks -- I see very few college kids who were in the audience. The stage has a lot of guitars and four chairs. When the lights dimmed, out came the four to thunderous applause. Patty on the left, then Emmylou, Buddy and Shawn. Emmylou is like an elder stateswoman, a matriarch among the four. She and Buddy Miller are like a married couple with two precocious daughters who sounded a bit alike when they sang individually. The onstage-patter was in itself a little gem of relaxed and insightful conversations among friends who treated the stage and the venue as their living room. No, maybe more like front porch where they easily trade jokes and barbs to each other in comic and hilarious fashion. Emmylou is like a lovable but fussy mother who tells stories about each song she sang tonight and told back stories behind each song Patty, Shawn and Buddy sang, in that conversational, almost gossipy way. Each one sang a song with occasional duets and the whole concert lasted for more than 2 hours. There were so many excellent to sublime moments but here's the Joni part. Emmylou said that she is singing a Joni Mitchell song. She said nobody can sing like Joni and probably no one can copy Joni because of her intensely original way of singing and phrasing. She related how she was involved in a Joni tribute some 4-5 years ago and that she was excited to sing one, only to discover that other musicians already got the songs she wanted to sing. "The song I am about to sing was taken from "Turbulent Indigo" and it is a dark and rather angry song". While talking about Joni she was already strumming the melody of "Magdalene Laundries" in her guitar. She said, that it is rather unusual for Joni to have a 'dark' song. Patty agreed by saying "yeah, almost un-Joni" - -- referring to the song. Emmylou also said "There was a movie that came out a few years ago with the same title or so" then added "it was also a cheery film just like this song". The admiration and respect accorded to Joni by that preface and singular performance by Emmylou were most evident that night. Then when she sang the opening lines of the song in that stark, fragile voice, the audience became still. Emmylou seems to know the song very well as her voice caressed each line; emphatically eviscerating the phrase here, pulling back there and sometimes sing/croak the sad plight of Irish catholic girls who became pregnant "sometimes by their own fathers". Midway through the song, I felt cold as goose bumps came. It was a very moving performance -- her diction was impeccably clear; clean; luminous. Great applause after that. Anyway, I thought Patty Griffin stepped up her performance tonight that earned her new fans and great applause. She has a great voice -- at once alto-esque then can spiral up and cleanly reach for the highest notes needed in the song. She sounded like an early Shawn Colvin because she has dusky low notes too that are so appealing. Emmylou is so gracious and genuine and so funny just by her stories ("I am 60 years old and I have a mother who is 86 and she still commands me to wear a helmet when I bike"). Her voice is still pretty solid and of the three women, she is soprano to Patty's mezzo and Shawn's alto (just to be simplistic about it). But Shawn is probably the reason I want to see the concert as I think I know all her songs, have all her albums, and I have this admiration for her work (yeah I like her much-panned cd "Whole New You"). But she was almost painfully shy. Her head was bowed most of the times whether when singing or providing back up guitar to others. Her shortish hair covers 75% of her face as though she is willing herself to disappear. Her ad libs though are always funny (She told this story about her daughter who loved Belle in Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" and she dressed as Belle when Shawn took her to Disneyland. Everyone there called her Belle and her daughter was beaming that Shawn said: "I don't know about you folks, but if Disney can make my daughter smile and laugh and be happy, here's all my money -- take it all -- thanks for making my daughter happy!"). She confirmed that she is always shy when journalists and music writers ask her profound questions about her album. She said that when she was promoting "These Four Walls", she was afraid that news journalists might ask her things about her album and songs that she would rather not discuss. So when she was asked about the theme of TFW, she said in a forlorn and weary voice: "it is about death...and regret.... with pretty guitars" and added "which I thought is actually what the album is all about anyway". Love the self deprecation of this woman but I somehow wished she stepped up her performance by just a tiny bit. It was apparent tonight that she and Emmylou wanted to focus to be on Patty. Buddy Miller is a genius. Why havent I heard of him before? He is married to Julie Miller, yes? I love his voice which sounds like a cross of John Lee Hooker, Porter Wagoner and Ben Lee (I kid you not!) but his guitar playing is so excellent, so proficient that it surely must have reached God in heaven or at least some amorphous deity that is not of this world. His slide guitar seems to create a sonic scape that is like strings arrangement that wallpaper the individual voices of the three singers he accompanies. Anyway, when they all sang the last song (an Emmylou song from her "Wrecking Ball" album), they all bowed while linking their arms to each other. They look like a family. Emmylou as a the all-capable mother, Buddy as the self-effacing father, and their two talented daughters -- the pixie-faced Patty and the svelte and sexy Shawn. The encore was an a capella piece with an odd meter that is part lullaby, part railroad holler. Then they reserved the last for Patty to sing while they all provide loving back ups. Joseph in Chapel Hill (back to the bottom of the ocean) np: The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends (how apt!) - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:11:28 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Dog Eat Dog A kid from New Jersey wrote: Dog Eat Dog..I feel like I am trying to convert lol..But i really want to know why most hate it so much Hi sweet Kev, I don't hate DED, but I would like to hear why you love it so much. First track: Good Friends. Why? Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:14:24 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: RE : re: desert island discs Just to reiterate something I brought up about a year ago: BSN is to my knowledge the only Joni album to be released in the DVD-A 5.1 format. If you have a surround home theater setup, and many do for watching movies, plus a DVD player of recent vintage that is compatible with DVD-A (DVD Audio) discs you owe it to yourself to hear this magnificent work with the orchestra all around you and Joni's voice filling the whole wall in front of you. Even all you BSN detractors out there would melt.... guaranteed.. And Vince Mendoza is by far my favorite orchestrator working today. His own album Epiphany is achingly beautiful as is his orchestration on the Yellowjackets' album Greenhouse, one of my top 5 albums of all time. Orchestration is a dying art and Vince makes it sound otherwise. Dave Subject: RE : re: desert island discs I just had to add my voice to those who say they love BSN the album. I thought that the orchestral (maybe Wagnerian might be more apt but I won't say that) arrangements by Vince Mendoza created a musical space for Joni's mature voice to convey the exact shade of autumn, of regret, of loneliness, of wisdom-through-the-years kinda theme. I loved the thematic arc of the album, the tasteful song choices and the character that Joni brings to each song. Remember how she almost suddenly spews the lyrics "you've changed" from the song of the same name, as though she wanted to say out loud what her heart felt all this time. Many people said, BSN is like Joni's "Lady in Satin" album and I kinda agree with the comparison -- both Billie and Joni showcased a mature, almost-brittle voice that is all the more heartbreaking how the pristine voiced has became what it became in later years. As though the singing voice in itself is the medium of the message (very MacLuhannesque). My favorite Joni song in BSN is ACOY and among the standards, I thought "Answer Me My Love" eclipsed all other recorded versions I heard. Yes, even Nat "King" Cole's version. Joseph in North Carolina np: Charalambides - Figs and Oranges> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:56:16 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC I am going and it sounds like you are going, so I hope you do. It will be very nice to meet you but I don't need a roommate. I'm getting my own room. I can be difficult when it comes to that sort of thing...I'm very particular about certain things and I do require a certain amount of solitude for my own well being..but see you there! -M Michael Paz wrote: Best Paz P.S. I guess this is as good a place as any to announce that I have a better than 50% chance of being able to go to the FULL MOON RESORT for a little fest that is being held there!!!!!! YaaaaaaaaY! Who all is going??? Anybody need a roommate? Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: Okay since I already delurked for the BSN and "Control" threads, I might as well tell you all that I watched a concert tonight called "Three Girls and their Buddy" -- a concert featuring the combined talents of Patty Griffin, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller. Some background story: Mary Chapin Carpenter was supposed to perform but she cancelled a few weeks ago, so Memorial Hall in campus booked the four musicians instead. Talk about a goldmine. I have always harbored a wish to see Shawn Colvin in concert before I leave this country. But not only was Colvin in the bill but also Emmylou and Patty and Buddy. Lucky me, I was able to snag one of the last tickets for students before it got sold out. The concert was mostly attended by older folks -- I see very few college kids who were in the audience. The stage has a lot of guitars and four chairs. When the lights dimmed, out came the four to thunderous applause. Patty on the left, then Emmylou, Buddy and Shawn. Emmylou is like an elder stateswoman, a matriarch among the four. She and Buddy Miller are like a married couple with two precocious daughters who sounded a bit alike when they sang individually. The onstage-patter was in itself a little gem of relaxed and insightful conversations among friends who treated the stage and the venue as their living room. No, maybe more like front porch where they easily trade jokes and barbs to each other in comic and hilarious fashion. Emmylou is like a lovable but fussy mother who tells stories about each song she sang tonight and told back stories behind each song Patty, Shawn and Buddy sang, in that conversational, almost gossipy way. Each one sang a song with occasional duets and the whole concert lasted for more than 2 hours. There were so many excellent to sublime moments but here's the Joni part. Emmylou said that she is singing a Joni Mitchell song. She said nobody can sing like Joni and probably no one can copy Joni because of her intensely original way of singing and phrasing. She related how she was involved in a Joni tribute some 4-5 years ago and that she was excited to sing one, only to discover that other musicians already got the songs she wanted to sing. "The song I am about to sing was taken from "Turbulent Indigo" and it is a dark and rather angry song". While talking about Joni she was already strumming the melody of "Magdalene Laundries" in her guitar. She said, that it is rather unusual for Joni to have a 'dark' song. Patty agreed by saying "yeah, almost un-Joni" - -- referring to the song. Emmylou also said "There was a movie that came out a few years ago with the same title or so" then added "it was also a cheery film just like this song". The admiration and respect accorded to Joni by that preface and singular performance by Emmylou were most evident that night. Then when she sang the opening lines of the song in that stark, fragile voice, the audience became still. Emmylou seems to know the song very well as her voice caressed each line; emphatically eviscerating the phrase here, pulling back there and sometimes sing/croak the sad plight of Irish catholic girls who became pregnant "sometimes by their own fathers". Midway through the song, I felt cold as goose bumps came. It was a very moving performance -- her diction was impeccably clear; clean; luminous. Great applause after that. Anyway, I thought Patty Griffin stepped up her performance tonight that earned her new fans and great applause. She has a great voice -- at once alto-esque then can spiral up and cleanly reach for the highest notes needed in the song. She sounded like an early Shawn Colvin because she has dusky low notes too that are so appealing. Emmylou is so gracious and genuine and so funny just by her stories ("I am 60 years old and I have a mother who is 86 and she still commands me to wear a helmet when I bike"). Her voice is still pretty solid and of the three women, she is soprano to Patty's mezzo and Shawn's alto (just to be simplistic about it). But Shawn is probably the reason I want to see the concert as I think I know all her songs, have all her albums, and I have this admiration for her work (yeah I like her much-panned cd "Whole New You"). But she was almost painfully shy. Her head was bowed most of the times whether when singing or providing back up guitar to others. Her shortish hair covers 75% of her face as though she is willing herself to disappear. Her ad libs though are always funny (She told this story about her daughter who loved Belle in Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" and she dressed as Belle when Shawn took her to Disneyland. Everyone there called her Belle and her daughter was beaming that Shawn said: "I don't know about you folks, but if Disney can make my daughter smile and laugh and be happy, here's all my money -- take it all -- thanks for making my daughter happy!"). She confirmed that she is always shy when journalists and music writers ask her profound questions about her album. She said that when she was promoting "These Four Walls", she was afraid that news journalists might ask her things about her album and songs that she would rather not discuss. So when she was asked about the theme of TFW, she said in a forlorn and weary voice: "it is about death...and regret.... with pretty guitars" and added "which I thought is actually what the album is all about anyway". Love the self deprecation of this woman but I somehow wished she stepped up her performance by just a tiny bit. It was apparent tonight that she and Emmylou wanted to focus to be on Patty. Buddy Miller is a genius. Why havent I heard of him before? He is married to Julie Miller, yes? I love his voice which sounds like a cross of John Lee Hooker, Porter Wagoner and Ben Lee (I kid you not!) but his guitar playing is so excellent, so proficient that it surely must have reached God in heaven or at least some amorphous deity that is not of this world. His slide guitar seems to create a sonic scape that is like strings arrangement that wallpaper the individual voices of the three singers he accompanies. Anyway, when they all sang the last song (an Emmylou song from her "Wrecking Ball" album), they all bowed while linking their arms to each other. They look like a family. Emmylou as a the all-capable mother, Buddy as the self-effacing father, and their two talented daughters -- the pixie-faced Patty and the svelte and sexy Shawn. The encore was an a capella piece with an odd meter that is part lullaby, part railroad holler. Then they reserved the last for Patty to sing while they all provide loving back ups. Joseph in Chapel Hill (back to the bottom of the ocean) np: The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends (how apt!) - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:46:21 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Both Sides, Now Of course you're correct in pointing out the appropriateness of a 57-year-old singing BSN. But part of the impact of the original is precisely that she was in her early twenties when she wrote/recorded it. That gives it, for me, a bold pose of experience (promiscuity?) and what might be uncharitably called an "arrogance" which could never attach to the 200 version. In truth, I hear them as two different songs. DAVID LAHM **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:17:59 -0500 From: anon anon Subject: Mojo interview I thought the interview with Joni in the lastest issue of Mojo magazine was very interesting... In a way I'm suprised that Joni had so much trouble getting along with Janis Joplin, Joan Baez and Laura Nyro... apparently Joni felt hated by Janis, and Joni felt as if Joan Baez wanted to break her leg... jealousy, most likely... In a way it's suprising because Janis Joplin got along very well with Raquel Welch on the Dick Cavett show. though Janis and Raquel are in different occupations, so I guess it makes sense that there would be less jealousy between them then there would be between Janis and Joni... _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:42:08 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Mojo interview I haven't read the interview so I am only responding to your thoughts about Janis and Joni. If they didn't get along I can imagine it was not just because of jealousy. They had/have very different personalities, Janis was more like an uncut jewel whereas Joni has always appeared to be well-educated and well brought up - if you know what I mean. I love them both! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr anon anon Skickat: den 15 januari 2008 18:18 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Mojo interview I thought the interview with Joni in the lastest issue of Mojo magazine was very interesting... In a way I'm suprised that Joni had so much trouble getting along with Janis Joplin, Joan Baez and Laura Nyro... apparently Joni felt hated by Janis, and Joni felt as if Joan Baez wanted to break her leg... jealousy, most likely... In a way it's suprising because Janis Joplin got along very well with Raquel Welch on the Dick Cavett show. though Janis and Raquel are in different occupations, so I guess it makes sense that there would be less jealousy between them then there would be between Janis and Joni... _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Dog Eat Dog..In defense I think the best way to go about this is by going track by track...Now let me preface this by saying I do not love every song..That is a rarity with any artist including joni. (although she has the record for most complete albums I can listen and love begining to end) I think the way to approach Dog Eat Dog is(slowly..lol). by imagining it was released today..Lets start out of order..The title track..Isn't the "dove in the dungeon"? Aren't we controlled by "big wig financiers" and "Snake bite evangelists"..It really rang true to me..Along the same lines "Tax Free" really got me..The words and the music, whereas the music in dog eat dog was a bit strange for me at first..(The low voiced sythed dog dog sounded like a drain emptying at first but i got past it..lol..) Getting back to Tax Free.. Read as a poem it's beautiful but the music haunts and forbodes..at first..Rod Steiger is an interesting part of the song..It makes it into a mini piece of theatre on record..This song like the album is very much of it's time..tv preachers were everywhere..and she saw right through them..My favorite line in the song is "How can he speak for the prince of peace when he's hawk right militant"(ahem bush ahem) tell me she couldn't tweak the song a bit and have re released it on "Shine"..I feel like I am being a bit political here but the album certainly is so why not? On a lighter note.. "Good Friends" I am sure she "sat down to write a single" I am even more sure of that by Michael McDonalds backing vocals..With that said..To me it really is a great song about those kinds of friends that become more like family..I have lots of them who have moved cross country or Europe and this song hit home for me(everything except the cloak and dagger paragraph) It certainly does have that semi cheesy 80's beat to it..But you have to remember I was born in 1978 and my childhood was the 80's.. I used to be ashamed of my 80's love until they opened a huge club in nyc devoted to it specifically and actually I find most "kids" of my generation have a special place in their hearts for that era...Hahaha I love shoulder pads on women and Huge hair for instance..lol..(get ADD in check) .. ok.."Impossible dreamer" great song..love the john lennon aspect of it..is that confirmed btw?..either way.. the music is interesting the chorus has that 80's "drum" thing again..but as a whole I really like this one.."The three Great Stimulants" These lyrics are AMAZING! I suggested to someone a while back to first read the lyrics to dog eat dog then listen to the album..They are prophetic, poetic and powerful..Like, reading "Fiction" is a totally different experience...I do like listening to it when i drive..overall the lyrics are drowned out by the music..."lucky girl" is a cute song about love the repeating ding ding (sounds like a pen against an empty bottle) is a bit annoying ..But i like the lyrics and how she sings it..The rest of the album i can do without and usually skip..Only 3 songs Ethiopia .. Empty.. and Shiny Toys...Other than that, Dog Eat Dog is an album I not only really like and reccomend...enough to have sat in front of this computer(i took a break) to write this for an hour..lol. I hope this sparks some kind of discussion..There is nothing like talking about joni with "good friends" like you ;) xoxox Kev - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:40:10 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: WTRF I would really like to have an honest discussion with everyone who hates Dog Eat Dog..I really want to know why most hate it so much.. Hate is too strong a word, and I also doubt that "most" dislike it, but I have tried to like it, without success. I do like "Good Friends" and "Shiny Toys". What's not good about it, IMO: 1. The production is plastic, gimmicky. Electronic drum sounds, synthetic sounding reverb...a desparate attempt to be contemporary. Thomas Dolby: bad idea. Blinded me with circuit boards. 2. The vocals aren't that great, or mixed well in relation to the music. Smoking damage beginning to show. 3. The songs are wordy, awkward and unmusical. 4. It simply isn't enjoyable in any way. Like a spoonful of castor oil. If you have ever heard "3 Great Stimulants" from the Amnesty concert, it is a far more effective version, no pretense. The version on DED seems soul-less in comparison. Joni was out of her element, and it showed bigtime. RR ps WTRF is one of my favorite albums, despite reminding me, acronym-wise of WTF. What The Royal Fuck? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:00:26 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: WTRF > 3. The songs are wordy, awkward and unmusical. Even Impossible Dreamer and I'm A Lucky Girl??? I love those songs! The album version of Good Friends sounds sort of out-of-tune to me - but the piano version without all the extra effects is interesting - the melody is kind of quirky against the piano chords. I think Tax Free and Fiction are good songs and that Smoking is funny/clever. Overall, I find it's not such a bad album and I like it much better than CMIARS and TTT in any case. Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "KEVIN DOHENY" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: WTRF >I would really like to have an honest discussion with everyone who hates >Dog Eat Dog..I really want to know why most hate it so much.. > > Hate is too strong a word, and I also doubt that "most" dislike it, > but I have tried to like it, without success. I do like "Good Friends" > and "Shiny Toys". What's not good about it, IMO: > 1. The production is plastic, gimmicky. Electronic drum sounds, > synthetic sounding reverb...a desparate attempt to be contemporary. > Thomas Dolby: bad idea. Blinded me with circuit boards. > 2. The vocals aren't that great, or mixed well in relation to the music. > Smoking damage beginning to show. > 3. The songs are wordy, awkward and unmusical. > 4. It simply isn't enjoyable in any way. Like a spoonful of castor oil. > If you have ever heard "3 Great Stimulants" from the Amnesty concert, > it is a far more effective version, no pretense. The version on DED seems > soul-less in comparison. Joni was out of her element, and it showed > bigtime. > RR > ps WTRF is one of my favorite albums, despite reminding me, > acronym-wise of WTF. What The Royal Fuck? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: WTRF now vljc if any - --- Randy Remote wrote: > ps WTRF is one of my favorite albums, despite > reminding me, > acronym-wise of WTF. What The Royal Fuck? > Great minds think alike, except for me the R is "Ruddy". And Kevin, the 80s look, the big hair and shoulder pads are apparently coming back into style. What goes around comes around. It seems the fashion world always likes to go back 20 years. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:19:57 -0500 From: "Phyliss Ward" Subject: RE: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC Thanks for the preview Joseph! I am attending this concert tonight in Asheville with my daughter-in-law! AND...this is just a preview of the Cayamo Singer Songwriter Cruise we are going on in about 3 weeks and includes all 4 of these performers plus many many more! www.sixthman.net I can't believe no one from this group is cruising with us! It is not too late! Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:56:39 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Dog Eat Dog, was WTRF I probably shouldn't be commenting on this since RR requested to discuss with persons who dislike the album. I like it very much. RR wrote: 1. The production is plastic, gimmicky. Electronic drum sounds, synthetic sounding reverb...a desparate attempt to be contemporary. Thomas Dolby: bad idea. Blinded me with circuit boards. 2. The vocals aren't that great, or mixed well in relation to the music. Smoking damage beginning to show. 3. The songs are wordy, awkward and unmusical. 4. It simply isn't enjoyable in any way. Like a spoonful of castor oil. If you have ever heard "3 Great Stimulants" from the Amnesty concert, it is a far more effective version, no pretense. The version on DED seems soul-less in comparison. Joni was out of her element, and it showed bigtime. now me: re 1.: Yes, plastic, gimmicky, synthetic and desperate. Right on all counts, and exactly why it documents the era of Reagan so well. Not unlike the Eurythmics' brilliant score for Michael Radford's "1984" recorded IN 1984, it remains a pure distillation of the sounds we heard all over pop radio at the time, with good documentary effects when applied with care. "Ethiopia" is a studio materpiece, even if it does remind me ever so slightly of the Monkees "Shades of Grey." re 2.: I think that the vocals mix could have been better in several songs also, but it was in keeping with the contemporary sound. I don't fault Joni for reaching for a production hook. She wasn't selling much in that period. And no, I don't believe it was shoved down her throat. re 3.: Since when has a Joni song being wordy, awkward, or unmusical been a liability? Each in their own blend as she likes. re 4.: I think that "Shine" greatly benefits from some lessons learned from DED. It's not all doom, gloom, and dire warning. Maybe a little lighter balance would have been the spoonful of sugar for DED's castor oil. But just as unfortunately, DED's messages are often reiterated on "Shine." i.e.,"You get witch hunts and wars when chuch and state hold hands." I'm sure that being pelted with trash at the Amnesty International concert didn't help the performance of "Three Great Stimulants" even if it did prove that "everything that is genuine will be scorned, and conned, and cast away" (from "Dog Eat Dog"). As far as being out of her element, you could make the argument that every time she uses sound textures and unexpected arrangements she strays from what some would call her core: guitar, piano and vocal. But I'm not so sure SHE'D agree she has a specific "element" to be out of. I think exploiting the Rambo issues of the day by framing the message in a Rambo soundscape is not a very commercially viable concept. Risky and couragous, definitely. But I wouldn't have expected anything less from Joni and was not disappointed with DED, then nor now. 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