From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #424 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, January 11 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 424 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Honest takes [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Responses to Digest #529...it's Bo [Peep Richman "an honest take" ["Dan Olson" ] Album and Song polls [Les Irvin ] Joni in uk :-) ["Paul Headon" ] Re: Joni in uk :-) [Monika Bogdanowicz ] RE: JMDLRe: new joni interview in mojo ["Kate Bennett" ] Don Juan's Reckless Quetzalcoatl [Eric Taylor ] Re: Joni Mitchell; A Stormy Love Affair With Christ [Eric Taylor Subject: Honest takes I think we'd have to ask Henry Lewy about that....too late unfortunately. Joni's own performances may have been often "honest" (in this sense; of course they're always honest in the emotional sense) but with all the add-ons by others (Tom Scott's stacked winds on FTR) the end result is layered. It just seemed like Roine Stolt's cover was fully live in the studio, vocals and all, which is a rarity these days, though bands like the Stones have always done that. I was recently in the studio with a full rhythm section and we decided not to glue together takes in Pro Tools but to keep going until we got the "honest" take, which everyone seemed to find a refreshing notion, and they rose to the occasion accordingly. cheers, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:46:48 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: Responses to Digest #529...it's Bo You are all, in my humble opinion, the most magnificent people around...too broad a sentence?...okay then...magnificent people around IN MY LIFE!!!!!!! Bob dear, I read "Bo, your posts make me happy. Thanks for that." and I burst into my trickling of hot, wet tears, then those 'help I can't breathe' sobs. You touched me. I'm glad my posts make you happy....not sure why but you are one fantastic human and anything I can do to contribute to your happiness is wonderful. And the sentence that began, "Seriously, I credit this group with making me a smarter writer....." (I don't know how to do that paste thing...no disrespect for not typing the whole sentence, Bob, but I have a very smart mother who really knows her daughter....when I took typing she told me, "TRY NOT to cheat...but if you do, at least learn to type with all ten fingers!"...and so I type with all ten very quickly but only when it comes out of my head...to look at a sentence and type it takes forever)....Bob, that gorgeous sentence...and, by the way, I love your style of writing; confirms what I've known about you from the jump...you're a humble man with an ability to access your emotions and SHARE them seemingly without (too much) censure. That makes you so rare! Love yourself!!! I love you!...and you're what we used to call "a looker"....HANDSOME!!!! But YOU have trouble with Joni covers too? That surprised me. But then again...you're addicted! Monika, just wanted to tell you that I liked Clapton up through the end of Cream too. Okay Kate...here's my pee and poop Woodstock story. The lllooonnngggg lines to the Port-A- Potties only send me flying OUT of them once it was my turn. There's an interesting (only to me) Freudian story about when I was almost 4 and peed in the bushes on the side of a road in Germany, but, I JUST want a clean bathroom...toilet paper not leaves....soundproofing wouldn't be so bad either. Has nothing to do with modesty. Just a me thing. And Jerry can attest that he has a much better aim. Now, has anyone ever wondered about Joni and how she may have coped with peeing and/or pooping in the woods? My take is that she had no problem at all. And I think that her current life requires no outdoors bathroom activities!!!! Welcome (or hello) to Bruce. I loved your post...related to it and agreed with it. How in the world have you accomplished never being depressed one day in your life? WOW!!!!! Oh...Monika...BAD news....if you think that once you reach your 30's you'll have everything together? I seriously doubt it. I HOPE so. I HOPE life treats you with sensitivity and you grow happier with each passing decade...but, the older I grow the more untogether I feel. It's also interesting....you take all of your ages with you...you don't lose anything...you enhance yourself with more of life's experiences...more knowledge etc. but you are really the same person you were in your early 20's (or younger, in my case) with similar thoughts and emotions. It all depends on how life treats you and how you treat life. I read a lot and my personal philosophy continues to develop (I hope) but inside I feel all the ages I've been so far. I find that some things don't mean as much or, for that matter, anything to me as I go through the life cycles. I've always been what I guess is a free spirit...described by the majority of my family and people I know and a few friends (you do learn that you can have a lot of false friends and true enemies) as eccentric. My mother told me she saw signs of this before I was two. I don't feel like looking up the Webster's definition of eccentric...I have a feeling I probably meet the criteria. Or, maybe I'm just nuts. Like the other day, week...on December 24TH, I was in a big supermarket. The day before Christmas Eve and people were pushing and shoving and acting as though they were the only human who had needs that had to be met. I popped out with a LOUD "Where's the holiday spirit in ShopRite? Why are so many of you acting like nobody counts but you?????? Be kind!!! Help the person next to you!!!" I didn't think about yelling this...it just popped out. Eccentric/crazy...who cares?...that's another thing...I really don't care what other people think of me...that does not mean I am not respectful of others...overly so, I think. But I have never been influenced by the in-crowd....not in school...or anytime during my life. Trends were of no interest to me. I have my own "style" and that's that! I like black clothes...usually I'm in black leotards, leg warmers, and some sort of black sweatshirt or top and I LOVE Birkenstocks!!!!! Winter with thoses rolly socks and love the freedom of summer....no socks.... Geeezzzz, I've been rambling. And these posts make you happy, Bob? Bye for now angels.... if I was right with you I'd give each of you a great big warm hug! Bo - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:49:02 -0600 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: Sex Kills -->"an honest take" In a lot of Joni's early recordings, she overdubs herself on guitar, which creates a very rich and full sound (like a 12 string). Of course, she has always overdubbed her voice (sometimes sounding like a large chorus). Perhaps with her, an "honest take" would mean simply not fixing glitches. But of course, her live performances (especially the early televised ones) are remarkable for the polished performance (and perfect pitch). Later, when she recorded with others, it seems like they were playing together as a band, with notable exceptions. On Hejira, all of Jaco's parts were overdubbed, and on many of these, there were at least two Jaco parts. On 1/9/08, Bruce Eggleston wrote: > > Dear Dave, > > Thanks for bringing up "an honest take". These are almost a requisite > for my musical enjoyment. I'm several albums into a career as a > recording engineer and producer, so I have some insight on how > difficult it is to get that "live-in-the-studio-no-fixes take". > > My enjoyment is doubled knowing that a given song is an honest take. > Joni's early catalog seems replete with honest takes, even though I > don't know of any particular songs that were indeed such takes. > > I open the floor here, how many honest takes are on Joni's studio > albums? > > I read an interview with Crosby who said that he just got out of > Joni's way on STAS, which I take to mean that there was very little > over-dubbing going on in that studio. > > Bonneville Bruce > > NP - Hotel California > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:09:23 -0800 > > From: Dave Blackburn < beatntrack@sbcglobal.net> > > Subject: Roine Stolt - Sex Kills > > > > Yeah Bob that's great....cool voice, tasty guitarist and funky band > > too. Looks like that might be a live-in-the-studio-no-fixes take > > also, another rarity these days (what I like to call "an honest > > take".) > > > > Is he Dutch or German? > > > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:49:58 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Album and Song polls Joniphiles - A couple people have mentioned that the song and album polls on JMDL were a bit behind the times. Today I (finally) added Shine and updated the polls for the new year. Cast your vote here: http://jmdl.com/poll/albumpoll.cfm and here: http://jmdl.com/poll/songpoll.cfm Les (not the London one.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:45:46 -0000 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: Joni in uk :-) I thought you might be interested in this http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/local/teesvalley/display.var.1946992.0. photographer_inspired_by_joni_mitchell.php cheers Paul Headon From Wales ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:09:34 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni in uk :-) Thanks for posting that. I hope the folks who get to see this enjoy it. It's always good to read Joni inspiring others, especially artistically. -Monika Paul Headon wrote: I thought you might be interested in this http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/local/teesvalley/display.var.1946992.0. photographer_inspired_by_joni_mitchell.php cheers Paul Headon From Wales - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:24:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDLRe: new joni interview in mojo Wow! What a powerful, beautiful post Bruce. Thank you for representing. High Five! >My (our) generation is still very actively changing the world in thousands of subtle ways. I am a city planner, I plan cities with the knowledge and attitude of one who believes that peace and love will prevail. My wife is a school teacher who teaches the next generations about peace and love and how it will prevail. Most of our peers have conducted careers in which they propagated the ideals of the Sixties in some fashion. This is the real world for the Sixties generation, going to work every day to make some kind of difference, however small.< Bonneville Bruce On the path of the peaceful warrior ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:40:52 -0800 From: "andrew neave" Subject: Re: Clapton overated Muller said :- > > > Darice, thanks for this - I feel the same way. Clapton has to be one of > the most over-rated musicians of all time. He had the wisdom or good luck > to surround himself with some of the finest guitar players ever and basked > in their glow. > it's a bigger mistake still as his vocals are also tepid and complacent. You must be joking,, I suppose that Hendrix was stupid like you !! Hendrix only had a few peers and Clapton was one of them Hendrix hanged out with Clapton sometimes played on stage with him and played Cream tracks. The wheels of fire live CD bearing in mind when they played these Concerts late 60s was it, you can not help but appreciate and be amazed at the three of them playing/ let alone Claptons solo on Crossroads Now not many people were Jamming like Cream were in those days (15min Spoonfull),so to say that A To Z Blues guitarists that played in the seventies 80s 90s and on, and on are far better than Clapton and that he is Overated is stupid to the point of being Ignorant because you could say he did it first ???? along with Hendrix and Santana and a few more, He is a Blues artist and if you dont like the Blues then dont listen,but dont degrade his Historic ability Everybody accepts that Layla is a masterpiece as says Tom Dowd on a Documentery I saw on HBO If your only joking !!!!!!!! how stupid again Me i think that Pat Metheny has and is the Best Guitarist in the world he can play any style and his finger work is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:57:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Don Juan's Reckless Quetzalcoatl Joni said: "In their youth, my generation was ready to change the world, but when the baton was passed to them in the '70s, they fell into a mass depression because all revolutionaries are quick to demolish and slow to fix. When handed the baton to fix it, they didn't know what to do so they kind of degenerated into the greediest generation in the history of America." Okay i didn't add NJC to the subject line because this is pure Joni. Being a baby boomer whose first album was Meet The Beatles (which i requested for Christmas in 1965), fell in love with Joni's music back in high school and have tried to live the hippy dream ever since i totally agree with Joni's brutal assessment of yuppy progress!!! O the oblivious self-absorbsion of our spoiled rotten generation! It occurred to me very recently, after decades contemplating the increasing massive mess we're in, that Joni is the purest voice of Quetzalcoatl in our sorry age. What we all really need is a good spanking and Joni certainly delivers it & with SUCH beauty & grace *but* we hopefully still have until 2012 to get our collective act together. Otherwise we are just mere stardust, not golden..... Am i "growling"? ET NR: 2012; The Return Of Quetzalcoatl (concerned people really need to contemplate this important book) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:48:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell; A Stormy Love Affair With Christ Bene shared: >>I wanted to find something on Joni and Christianity for my friend who is convinced that Joni is a new-born Christian and stumbled over this peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=963 << Joni's constant wrestling with God has always been one of the things that most attracts me to her profound music. She is more like Jacob than Job, grasping the angel by its thigh all night until she finally gets a blessing at dawn. I love this about Bono too but he is not nearly as talented..... Thank you for sharing this link, Bene! 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