From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #422 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 9 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 422 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- boom boom [Michel BYRNE ] Re: Roine Stolt - Sex Kills [Jerry Notaro ] Roine Stolt - Sex Kills [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Roine Stolt - Sex Kills [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ [missblux@] all for somehing lacy / lazy [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ [B] Re: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ ["Dan Olson" ] Re: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ ["Randy Remote" ] Tim Curry Joni covers [Bob Muller ] Re: all for somehing lacy / lazy [Bob Muller ] Re: Tim Curry Joni covers [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Hello from Bo [Peep Richman ] Re: Tim Curry Joni covers [Bob Muller ] Re: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ [Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: boom boom The drum kit? I never thought of that! Brings a nice new dimension in. I always had in mind a macho man, striking his huge chest with his fists: boom! boom!, King Kong style. Good to discover a very different interpretation! Michel _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:40:28 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Roine Stolt - Sex Kills I liked it, but better than Joni's live versions? Not by these ears. Jerry > EXCELLENT!? I would like to hear their take on Lead Balloon! > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Muller > To: JMDL > Sent: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 8:48 pm > Subject: Roine Stolt - Sex Kills > > > > Lots of you have already heard this one, but for those who haven't or who > didn't > want to take the time to download it, now you can hear it with a simple click. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNdt8MP1fsU > > It's my favorite version of "Sex Kills", including every version that Joni > has > recorded. It has the punch and angry energy that hers lack, with some fine > jamming to boot. Like she says herself (speaking of Tim Curry's cover of "Cold > Blue Steel & Sweet Fire"), it's a song that has to be spat out. > > Bob > > NP: Roine Stolt, "Sex Kills" > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:09:23 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Roine Stolt - Sex Kills Yeah Bob that's great....cool voice, tasty guitarist and funky band too. Looks like that might be a live-in-the-studio-no-fixes take also, another rarity these days (what I like to call "an honest take".) Is he Dutch or German? Dave On Jan 8, 2008, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:48:30 -0800 (PST) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Roine Stolt - Sex Kills > > Lots of you have already heard this one, but for those who haven't > or who didn't want to take the time to download it, now you can > hear it with a simple click. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNdt8MP1fsU > > It's my favorite version of "Sex Kills", including every version > that Joni has recorded. It has the punch and angry energy that hers > lack, with some fine jamming to boot. Like she says herself > (speaking of Tim Curry's cover of "Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire"), > it's a song that has to be spat out. > > Bob > > NP: Roine Stolt, "Sex Kills" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:04:36 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Roine Stolt - Sex Kills Swedish, actually - Roine is the guitarist for The Flower Kings. I'm not sure if this was a live studio take or not, but it sure looks that way. The track came out in 2005, the whole album is excellent - of course their take on SK is my favorite. I'm glad you like it, and it's funny that you responded to it because as I was listening to it last night I thought of the awesome Woodstock jam your band did. Bob NP: Dylan, "Spanish Harlem Incident" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Bene... lurking in the archives, hoping everyone is well ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:34:29 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: all for somehing lacy / lazy Hey again, last night, my friend and I discussed Song for Sharon. She had noticed the word lacy in Song for Sharon: Big boat chuggin' back with a belly full of cars All for something lacy I always thought it was lazy; I thought they had been on some lazy excursion (ehem... and oops). What do you think 'all for something lacy' means? Do people in general go to Staten Island to buy wedding dresses? Bn Almost delurked ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:10:28 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ Thanks for the laugh this article provided, Bene - calling it "peculiar" doesn't do it justice. I quote: "This second take on BOTH SIDES NOW is driving Mitchell out of her Christian closet. At least, Hanoi Jane Fonda openly admitted her conversion from Marxism to Christianity. God blesses Jane Fonda. Her father's Americanism held sway. Henry Fonda's ghost, with the help of Christ, brought Jane home." Just seeing the "Hanoi Jane" reference confirms that the writer is a neocon bible-thumping fundamentalist, the kind that Joni has always been so critical of and continues to be so. In interviews she confirms that she doesn't align herself with any one religion, taking something from a variety of doctrines, and that of the the major religions she is more Buddhist than anything. Joni is DEFINITELY NOT a born-again Christian. Tell your friend to buy "Shine" and read along with the lyrics. Then again, no one has ever accused Christians of an abundance of rational thought. The article is an interesting exercise in how you can take ANYTHING and interpret it to mean ANYTHING. Reminds me of a post I wrote long long ago with decisive proof that "Edith & The Kingpin" was Joni's salute to the TV show "All In The Family". Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "The Angel" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I liked him in "Shiloh'. ~Dan On 1/8/08, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > Hey all, > > I wanted to find something on Joni and Christianity for my friend who > is convinced that Joni is a new-born Christian and stumbled over this > peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love > Affair with Christ. > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=963 > > We've had some interesting discussions earlier on on love and > spirituality. Given that love can be a spiritual experience of some > sort, I agree with Moriarty, but I NEVER thought of BSN as a 'Stormy > Love Affair with Christ'. Weird.... > > What does anyone think? > > Bene... lurking in the archives, hoping everyone is well ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:21:15 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ I think this is fundamentalist twaddle and utterly unconvincing. In any event, Joni is not a Christian. She describes herself as a Buddhist or as a Buddhist-Gnostic hybrid. There's a serious way to explore the theological implications of JM's music, but this essay doesn't cut it in the least. If one of my students had written it, they would have been sent back to the drawing board, with a firm reminder that we must use evidence properly in supporting our arguments. Quoting missblux@googlemail.com: > Hey all, > > I wanted to find something on Joni and Christianity for my friend who > is convinced that Joni is a new-born Christian and stumbled over this > peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love > Affair with Christ. > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=963 > > We've had some interesting discussions earlier on on love and > spirituality. Given that love can be a spiritual experience of some > sort, I agree with Moriarty, but I NEVER thought of BSN as a 'Stormy > Love Affair with Christ'. Weird.... > > What does anyone think? > > Bene... lurking in the archives, hoping everyone is well ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:09:28 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ Read the article and had a good laugh! The things these fundamentalists come up with! Yeah sure, dream on! The only meaning that made some sense to me - seriously;) - is the following: "It's clear that the only male left who could interest Mitchell is Jesus of Nazareth". If he was still alive, that is. I don't think Joni is into dead guys, really. Laughing it all away, Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr missblux@googlemail.com Skickat: den 8 januari 2008 19:15 Till: Joni LIST Dmne: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ Hey all, I wanted to find something on Joni and Christianity for my friend who is convinced that Joni is a new-born Christian and stumbled over this peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=963 We've had some interesting discussions earlier on on love and spirituality. Given that love can be a spiritual experience of some sort, I agree with Moriarty, but I NEVER thought of BSN as a 'Stormy Love Affair with Christ'. Weird.... What does anyone think? Bene... lurking in the archives, hoping everyone is well ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:15:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: all for somehing lacy / lazy missblux@googlemail.com wrote:>>>What do you think 'all for something lacy' means? Do people in general go to Staten Island to buy wedding dresses? I have no idea where people go to buy wedding dresses, but in context it certainly seems like a good guess (that's what I've always assumed the "lacy purchase" to be, but I'm not sure by any means). Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:27:21 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ If the devine hand of Christ was behind BSN, it begs the question of why it sucked so bad. Joni has said she is Buddhist (around the time of BSN's release). The writer is an idiot, first class. There is certainly Biblical imagery in many of Joni's songs. "Love" from WTRF is a rewrite of Corinthians. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:56:34 +0000 From: "Steve T." Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #421 Re: Roine Stolt - Sex Kills You're right Bob, I've always thought this song needs to rock more! Of course I do like the distorted guitar in Joni's, but this is a cool cover, Ah I'd be interested to hear any Joni cover by Tim Curry. - -- Steve T. www.vegansteven.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:07:30 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Tim Curry Joni covers I'll check the stacks and see what I can find - he's done 2, "ALL I Want" and "Cold Blue Steel...". Not among my favorites but your mileage may vary. Bob NP: Ani, "Fuel" - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: all for somehing lacy / lazy No, it's not like going to Vegas to get married or anything like that. Yes, the something lacy refers to a wedding dress. Joni was going specifically to the mandolin shop and passed a shop with a wedding gown in the window. The line that follows "something lacy" is: "Some girl's going to see that dress And crave that day (her wedding day) like crazy" The other lace-wedding dress connections: "And the pretty lady in the white lace wedding gown" "But the ceremony of the bells and lace Still veils this reckless fool here" While a lot of Joni's lyrics are open to interpretation, this one is pretty straightforward. Bob NP: XTC, "Radios In Motion" - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:04:54 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Tim Curry Joni covers "All I Want" is on Covers #6, which is okay, but "Cold Blue Steel" is on Covers #1, and it's one of my favorite Joni covers of all time! I do the rock, myself! Jimmy In a message dated 1/8/2008 7:17:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes: > I'll check the stacks and see what I can find - he's done 2, "ALL I Want" > and "Cold Blue Steel...". Not among my favorites but your mileage may vary. > ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:09:02 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: Hello from Bo Hey Joni-people! Just read the Digest...oh...forgot the number...anyhow, I think it was Rian who said he loved Annette Bening. I came across a little known movie that she was magnificent in: "Being Julia" based on W. Somerset Maugham's novel "Theater". I loved it and think you will too, Rian, and any other Annette Bening fans. Bob, where did you find "Angel-A" and "Once"...DVD's...Blockbuster? And, Bob, I loved your descriptive word for the interactions between Rian and Mike: "Skirmishes"....great word. Welcome Julie!!! You'll most likely find a lot of people who all love Joni but have similar interests to your own and you'll make friends...on-list and off-list. What do you think are some of the top movies Joni loves? What books? Oh...I had no clue what the definition of wanker is...thanks Rian....I thought it meant a real cad of a man...like , "oh, big surprise!!! He's a really lousy guy!" But NOW I know differently!!! Well, wank on, I guess!!!! Is anyone worried about Joni and the wild weather in California??? I wonder if she's in her house there or in Canada? Can you imagine? I spend a varying amount of time each day worrying about Joni...is she well? Is she okay? Is she happy? Anybody else experience this? About how much we reveal about ourselves...our REAL self...the authentic self...I guess it really has to do with the audience. And, I think it has to do with how much we each know about our authentic self. Sometimes I can live in dreamland, dreamland...but mostly, I can say I'm in-touch with the authentic me. Be well...safe and ubehpy2! Love and hugs from Bo - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:48:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Tim Curry Joni covers You're in good company, Jimmy - it's one of Joni's too - at least so she said in her 1985 Rock Master Class interview. Bob - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:26:05 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: peculiar article by Michael Moriarty: Joni Mitchell: A Stormy Love Affair with Christ Thanks! I thought the article was hilarious. I was laughing so hard my sister asked me what I was doing. I particularly enjoyed the comment about Joni and the cover of the album....Joni with her cigarette and a glass of wine and in that wine is Jesus! Anyway, let me get serious for a moment. This is by far one of the biggest stretches about anything that I have ever read. I suppose people see what they want to see or convince themselves so. Now I work at a conservative radio station in which one of the channels has religious programming with the hosts screaming and hollering about Jesus, the Devil, salvation, etc etc. Some of them, I have to be honest here, are just insane. I can't believe some of the content on some of these shows and what sorts of things they delude themselves into believing. Now I have no problem with anyone being very religious. I've met some very religious people before and they all mean well but sometimes...there are those...who cross a line between religion and reality. As it has been pointed out, Joni has said she prefers Buddhist principles and is in no way...a Christian, let alone a fanatical Christian. -Monika - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #422 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)