From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #413 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, December 31 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 413 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You [Mark-Leon Thorne <] Re: Steely Dan Connection [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Jaco ["Jerry Notaro" ] ANSWER : JoniQuiz : FTR [Rian Afriadi ] Re: For the Roses quiz [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Down To You ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Steely Dan Connection ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: For the Roses quiz : guitar [Rian Afriadi ] Re: sjc 10 best list [Bob Muller ] New Years Eve 1976???.... [KEVIN DOHENY ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:31:16 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You Down to you = your decision to make. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:40:30 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection Thank you, thank you, thank you, Dave. I am not musically educated but I have an instinct and I just couldn't put my finger on what made me associate Steely Dan's sound with some of Joni. You pulled out every detail that I just couldn't articulate. If we were talking about a neurological anomaly, I might have been better able to explain myself. There is definitely an overall similarity in sound although their styles are mostly quite different. I knew they had some commonality in musicians used on their recordings too. I can hear common styles used in certain instruments. There is also something similar in lyrical style even though, as Em pointed out, Joni has mostly been about personal exploration until the '80s and Steely Dan often write from a third person perspective. Thank God for you, Dave. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:36:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Jaco Jaco Pastorius honored in Oakland Park, 20 years after death By ADRIAN SAINZ Associated Press Writer Jaco Pastorius' violent death 20 years ago ended the career of one of the most original and flamboyant jazz musicians ever to strap on an electric bass guitar. Pastorius' Grammy-winning career included time with influential group Weather Report, Joni Mitchell and Herbie Hancock, who has called him a genius. But the end of his life was marred by erratic and strange behavior that culminated in a brawl outside a South Florida bar that killed him at 35. Now, the city of Oakland Park is honoring the man they simply call Jaco, naming a yet-unbuilt park after him as a reminder that a visionary once roamed this otherwise nondescript Fort Lauderdale suburb. "He influenced me as a kid growing up wanting to do what he did," said Brian Yale, bass guitarist for the rock band Matchbox 20, at an Oakland Park city commission meeting in November. "That it happened here in Oakland Park in the local school system, that's cool," said Yale, who lives near the park. "It's something that all of us should be telling our kids about, because this stuff started here. He changed the one American art form - jazz." Pastorius' virtuosity is cited by musicians and teachers alike. His speedy fingers, stylized harmonies, personal themes and technical proficiency on his Fender bass produced gems such as the quickly paced "Donna Lee," his wistful solo "Portrait of Tracy," and the catchy, upbeat "Birdland" with Weather Report. He often appeared shirtless to show off his slim build and wore a bandanna or other headwear. He liked to move around the stage and, in essence, brought a rock frontman's presence and energy to jazz music performances. He's earned praise from jazz mainstays like Wayne Shorter and Pat Metheny, to rock guitarist Carlos Santana, to Police frontman/bassist Sting, who has compared Pastorius to another guitar revolutionary - Jimi Hendrix. Here's what Red Hot Chili Peppers bassist Flea wrote in liner notes accompanying the 2007 release, "The Essential Jaco Pastorius." "I love everything about him, I feel the depth of his joy and pain in every note I have ever heard him play. Obviously he changed the face of electric bass playing forever and a great poet would be needed to attempt to describe it, so I will just remain humbly awe stricken like everyone else." Pastorius was born in Pennsylvania, and his family moved to Florida shortly afterward. He graduated from Northeast High School in Oakland Park, a working-class community known for the train that intersects the city with a loud horn that Pastorius used in at least one recording. Pastorius started off as a drummer, but a wrist injury as a youth led him to the bass. The bass, along with the drums, keeps time and lays the foundation for jazz and rock musical compositions. After building a reputation as an innovator, he eventually performed in the 1970s with Blood, Sweat and Tears and Metheny, along with Weather Report, Mitchell and Hancock. Pastorius won a Grammy Award in 1979 for his work on "8:30" with Weather Report. However, the 1980s were a darker time for Pastorius, who began to display psychological problems and erratic behavior due to a bipolar disorder, while also allegedly using drugs. Those problems were manifest when he tried to get into a bar in Wilton Manors in September 1987. Pastorius and a bar employee got into a dispute, which ended in a vicious beating that sent Pastorius to a hospital, where he later died. The bar employee was later convicted of manslaughter but served only a few months in prison. Pastorius had four children in two marriages. Two of his children, Felix and Julius, are musicians who often perform in South Florida. After the death, Pastorius' story was not often told in Oakland Park, where many residents were oblivious to his life and accomplishments. It wasn't until this year, the 20th anniversary of his death, that a grass roots effort began gathering signatures for Jaco Pastorius Park. With his family behind a petition drive that gathered more than 1,000 signatures, commissioners unanimously decided in late November to name the park after their local hero, choosing to honor his career rather than ignore his story or dwell on his death's sad and tragic nature. Along with the park naming, a memorial jazz concert honoring Pastorius was held Dec. 2. Oakland Park Mayor Larry Gierer said he heard little public complaint about naming the park after a man whose late-life struggles are a prominent part of his story. "I did not hear any concerns, but I believe that Jaco Pastorius Park will help people remember the way he lived, not how he died," Gierer said. Officials hope to have the park at least operational by the end of September. Community and historical groups have pledged to help craft displays honoring Pastorius and bring special events to the park. Marcel Anton, a longtime music educator who lives in Sunny Isles but has taught in several cities around the country, was one of several people who spoke in support of the park at an earlier commission meeting. His 3-year-old son is named Jaco. "This man's work and his life, and who he was, represents a very positive element that youth can look at. The common good for the community is unbounded," Anton said. "There's not a bass program in the world that doesn't require for rite of passage and graduation some portion of this man's music." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:59:29 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: ANSWER : JoniQuiz : FTR Banquet of Answers 1. a. A (so, Dylan Rush is still 16 or 17? Wow! Another new generation of Joni fan...) 2. d. Some turn to rambling round looking a clear sky This one is very tricky (as Patti pointed out) It should be Some turn to rambling round looking a clean sky 3. e. None above The guy at the gaspumps He's got a lot of soul He sings Merry Christmas for you Just like Nat King Cole 4. You and me Deep kisses And the sun going down OK. The keyword is the sun going down, and the grammar. In my head, the sun going down = the sun has not gone down = still in process = afternoon. So, c. afternoon Am I correct? 5. d. the summer Sometimes I get that feeling And I want to settle And raise a child up with somebody I get that strong longing And I want to settle And raise a child up with somebody But it passes like the summer I'm a wild seed again Let the wind carry me 6. False, C&S is about 36 minutes FTR is about 40 minutes 7. For very long 8. (3) (2) (5) (1) (4) 9. True. 05:20 (Suppose FTR is Jonis last helium-period album) ** additional note: shortly after posting the quiz, i had a feeling that i was not correct. Joni's last helium album should be MoA. (I know "Helium Album" sounds degrading. But i've got no other substitute) (For Patti : Nope, but lets see) 10. True. But i havent seen that. 11. d. Your solitary path 12. gravy, gristle, marrow bone, salty soup, cookie optional : sweeter fare 13. a. Or you're going to come later 14. False. YTMOIAR peaked @ #25 Free Man in Paris peaked @ #22 And BYT of MoA peaked @ #24 15. d. For The Roses Rian NP. Macy Gray ft. Erykah Badu  Sweet Baby Next : Im still working with that. Lately I'm a bit busy, 3 of my buddies married these days. (Yes, and they're JUST 21!!) PS. Correction on ShineQuiz: Thanks Jamie! A lot! PS. Patti, :-) PS. I love Erykah Badu's name. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:31:41 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: For the Roses quiz You're getting in deep Rian! You are not taking into account the pedal point bass notes under these chords. Dave B (guitar teacher) On Dec 30, 2007, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > 1. Guitar chord > > If you're [D] driving into town > > With a [A] dark cloud above you > > [G] Dial in the number > > Who's [??] bound to love you > a. A > b. B > c. C > d. D > e. E ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:50:56 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Down To You Joni said, >> It all comes down >> >> to you >> At work, I've heard people say "it comes down to this." For example, "The customer's account has dozens of invoices. I ran the numbers and it comes down to this- they never paid us for any of it." Catherine said in part, >I'm sure it was a deliberate choice, because Joni chooses her words carefully. "Down" has that negative connotation to it. The song itself is a bit of a "downer" and it's all about sinking into the dregs, picking up someone that's not up to your "usual standards" because you're a bit desperate and have had a few drinks too many. All in all, rather depressing and sordid and brilliantly done.> Agreed. Well said. It's one of those lyrics that seems difficult or strange at first. Her words reward repeated listenings, as we all know. There are interesting melodic and back-vocal things happening on the words, "to you". It sounds like a revelation revealed. The melody and production support the words. Every detail supports the whole; it's just like they said in Lit class. It scrambles time and season, if it gets through to you, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:58:14 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection Great post. Thanks. Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:11:54 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn >Joni and Steely Dan circa 1974-77 are connected in many ways. >Sidemen: >Chords: >Lyrics: >Sound: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:47:19 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: For the Roses quiz : guitar Yup. My fault. I am a very very beginner in guitar. I don't even understand "the pedal point bass notes under these chords" (is that english?) I picked that chord from JMDL guitar tab section. Well, Thank you so much, Dave! Rian NP. nothing. it's 2 AM already. Dave Blackburn wrote: You're getting in deep Rian! You are not taking into account the pedal point bass notes under these chords. Dave B (guitar teacher) - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:27:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list And Itunes has it with I Had A King & Harlem In Havana - so if all of these tracks had been properly released, it WOULD have been a double CD, so you're off the hook. Yep, it came out about the same time as T'log and is much more enjoyable to me anyway - all instrumentals. The only cover of Lakota to date. Bob NP: Macy Gray, "Still" - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:27:44 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: New Years Eve 1976???.... If my new years eve is going to be low key, which sometimes I like it to be, (imho)there's no better album to listen to than Hejira...So tonight..while I am alone, before tomorrow's wonderful craziness with Leo and my friends and their respective husbands, I decided to have my own little pre new years eve with only Joni as company..and Hejira is really a perfect fit...It always makes me think deeply ya know meaning of life kind of stuff and that somehow lead to me wondering what New Years Eve was like in 1976...I mean Hejira was released in November so it would still be a new release..It took me a while(years even) to digest this masterpiece and I am still learning from it as I listen while typing this..What I am getting at(slowly but surely) is..do any of you have a story about Hejira on new years eve 1976?? Or better yet anyone have a new years story about any joni album..Either way I want to wish my fellow joniphiles a very healthy happy new year.. Kev xoxo - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #413 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)