From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #396 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, December 15 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 396 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Blinded by the light ["Gordon MacKie" ] Re: Joni at the Grammy awards? [c Karma ] Re: Joni at the Grammy awards? [Jerry Notaro ] rock jazz pop techno, now stuck in 70's [Patti Parlette ] Re: Joni at the Grammy awards? [Bob Muller ] re: Joni at the Grammy awards [c Karma ] Re: Joni at The Grammy [Rian Afriadi ] Re: Joni at The Grammy [Rian Afriadi ] Q magazine's list of the best 2007 albums [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Can you hear the castanets? [Eric Taylor ] Re: Shine's ongoing disappointment [Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Blinded by the light Randy remote wrote While the synth parts may not be played with a high level of virtuosity, Joni has arranged and orchestrated this album herself, and therein lies it's charm and uniqueness. I was driving to work yesterday and decided to play Shine and thought EXACTLY the same thing. Synchronicity city. Anyway, I do understand what others have said in relation to the synths but beginning to step back a bit and see the bigger picture. Like an Impressionist painting...I think some of the dots are a bit sloppy but from a distance the whole is uniquely Joni. I like to listen to it from the title track onwards. It makes more sense to me that way but Iguana is still skipped over - it's some of the rhymes that still me me cringe. Sorry. From the flagrant vagrant in Glasgow...looks like a cold one today, but a clear sky ! And its Friday....... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:08:59 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: Re: Joni at the Grammy awards? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:38:10 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni at the Grammy awards? She has been before, but after all she's said about the business I'd be REAL surprised if she shows up at the Grammys. If she does I would guess it would be in support of Herbie's nomination for Album of the Year. Bob I'm gonna go even further out on a limb and predict she's sitting RIGHT NEXT to Herbie if HE's there and not touring. I love seeing her at the Grammys. There was one year (in the later 80s) when she was there as a presenter, done up like Josephine Baker. The effect was um, magical. Or is levitation considered an illusion?... Are there any pictures of that anywhere? CC _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:42:24 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni at the Grammy awards? She was REAL glad to win the last one for Turbulent Indigo and mentioned it in several interviews as proof of her being a contemporary artist. I think she will surprise you all and be there. Jerry > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:38:10 -0500 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: Joni at the Grammy awards? > > She has been before, but after all she's said about the business I'd be > REAL surprised if she shows up at the Grammys. If she does I would guess > it would be in support of Herbie's nomination for Album of the Year. > > Bob > > > I'm gonna go even further out on a limb and predict she's sitting RIGHT NEXT > to Herbie if HE's there and not touring. I love seeing her at the Grammys. > There was one year (in the later 80s) when she was there as a presenter, done > up like Josephine Baker. The effect was um, magical. Or is levitation > considered an illusion?... Are there any pictures of that anywhere? > > CC > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:07:14 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: rock jazz pop techno, now stuck in 70's ET wrote: >Bill is stuck in the 70s like too many people i know. I am stuck in the 70's too. . (and in the 60's) And then Marianne chimed in, pealing silver bells: sTUCk and PROud in tHE 60's and 70's *** Proud Mary(ianne). She put a quarter in the Wurlitzer, and the thing began to whirrrrrrr: Talking about my generation. Slow down, you move too fast, you've got to make the morning last Just kickin' down the cobble-stones, lookin' for fun and feelin' groovy We've got a groovy kind of love. Go ask Alice. I think she'll know! Wild thing, I think I love you. Come on baby, light my fire. What's your game now, can anybody play? Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play. I can't see me lovin' nobody but you, for all my life. Please share my umbrella. Ruby, Ruby Tuesday. Sha na na na na na, live for today. And it's one, two, three -- what are we fighting for? Sunday will never be the same. I'm picking up good vibrations. I'm pickin' up excitations. (oom bop bop good vibrations) I'll take you there: http://www.amazon.com/Summer-Love-Hits-Various-Artists/dp/samples/B000OLHGUC/ref=dp_tracks_all_3#disc_3 California dreamin', on a winter's day. Misty water-colored memories, of the way we were. Quicksilver girls. Mojo men. Cinnamon girls. California girls. Surf city, here we come! Oh, California nights. On the beach where we swim, with the tide rolling in.... Flying into Los Angeleeeez... Hot time, summer in the city. San Francisco nights. (Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.) We are stardust. We are golden. Searching for a heart of gold. A stairway to heaven. All you need is love (all together now). All you need is love (everybody). All you need is love, love. Love is all you need. Everybody get together, try to love one another right now. Right now! I do believe it. I do believe it's true. All we are saying, is give peace a chance! Incense and peppermints, and Strawberry Fields, forever, -- Carrie Anne & Lucy in the Sky, with Diamonds NPIMH: Twisted _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:18:55 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni at the Grammy awards? I'm predicting she'll be there. Whatever she says about the business, she DOES want recognition. That's the only thing that could make me watch the grammys, btw. I hope she and Herbie win because I know it would be good for them, but I consider it a completely meaningless award. Michael F. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:41:43 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni at the Grammy awards? You're exactly right, Michael - she talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. She disses the critics & the business, and then gets pissed when she doesn't get her due. She disses the R&R hall of fame, then gets pissed when she gets in later than she thinks she should have. She says she doesn't want to be popular and then complains when she doesn't move a lot of units. Either it matters or it doesn't y'know? She could take some pointers from Dylan in those categories - you've proven everything you need to prove, just do what you like and don't worry about the critical/popular/fan/whatever fallout. Bob NP: Joni, "Coyote" (live Rolling Thunder) - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:13:16 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Joni at the Grammy awards Another reason she may be there, apart from supporting Herbie and promoting her own work is to give Starbucks' Hear music some cred. I'm trying to be optimistic, but were it not for the fact that "One Week Last Summer" is competing in a very slim category I'd say that her chances in winning were very small. The past history of Grammy voting abuse is all about proxy based on sales. Each record company gets a certain number of ballots based on their sales. Most ballots are completed from the desks of record company administrative assistants who are instructed to vote the company line. They know who butters their bread. That's why a split vote sneak in winner almost never happens. So unless she's got some major working mojo, there might need to be a category for "Best Pop Instrumental Written On A Spinet Over The Course Of A Single Week In A Rustic Retreat Near Vancouver" in order for Joni to get hers this year. I would so love to be proven wrong. CC _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:29:12 -0500 (EST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Joni at The Grammy I'd rather think she'll attend and win. Positive thinking always makes me happy. If she lost, of course i'll feel miserable, but at least i would have been happy for about 2 months from now to february. Being happy for 2 months + being sad forever is a lot better than being sad for 2 months + being sad 4ever. Rian Who is still dealing with a stealing. PS. This is interesting, i hid my #@%* thing perfectly (you all were 21 y o a few years ago, so i know you know what i'm talking about). My mom NEVER finds it! But, those criminals found it, and took it! A##holes! Of course i don't report i lost that thing to the police. Otherwise, my mom would scream "you should be ashamed with yourself blah blah blah". ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:29:06 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Joni at The Grammy I'd rather think she'll attend and win. Positive thinking always makes me happy. If she lost, of course i'll feel miserable, but at least i would have been happy for about 2 months from now to february. Being happy for 2 months + being sad forever is a lot better than being sad for 2 months + being sad 4ever. Rian Who is still dealing with a stealing. PS. This is interesting, i hid my #@%* thing perfectly (you all were 21 y o a few years ago, so i know you know what i'm talking about). My mom NEVER finds it! But, those criminals found it, and took it! A##holes! Of course i don't report i lost that thing to the police. Otherwise, my mom would scream "you should be ashamed with yourself blah blah blah". ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:31:06 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Q magazine's list of the best 2007 albums http://www.stereogum.com/archives/yearend-list/qs-bestof-2007-list-worships-neon-bible.html Joni makes #39. -Monika - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:49:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: The Hisses on The Last Time I Saw Richard Rian asked >>Very simple question: My Blue CD was made in Australia, year 1995. And it has noises/hisses during the intro The Last Time I Saw Richard. Does this only happen to mine? How about yours? And how about the remastered one?<< I bought the 24k gold remaster of Blue a few years ago and definately notice a total elimination of noise, especially at the beginning of All I Want and the end of This Flight Tonight (around "...down go the wheels...") which appeared on every LP, cassette and CD I've purchased since 1976. But like a Tibetan rug every true work of art should contain one mistake for humility since only God/Nature is perfect. BTW has anyone else noticed the glitch in IF right after "If everyone counts with you"? I still wonder if it's intentional, like a Wolf In Lindsey strum... ET PS. 'All things work together for good to those who love', Rian. We send you our love and best wishes! 'If you're smart or rich or lucky maybe you'll beat the laws of man But the inner laws of spirit and the outer laws of nature No man can, No -- no man can.' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:34:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: Shine's ongoing disappointment Dave Blackburn votes: <> I can absolutely understand why many people would not get into Shine for numerous reasons, like some of its scathing lyrics and strange new sounds. But I think you need to read the credits closer because Shine features real sax (played brilliently by Bob Sheppard), real guitars (played wonderfully by Joni and James Taylor), real base (God bless you Larry Klein!!!) Plus Greg Leisz on pedal steel, Brian Blade on drums and Paulinho Da Costa on percussion!!!!!!! On Hana they sound like Weather Report only better! IMNSHO there is nothing "fake" about Shine. Of course she could have played it with the London Symphony Orchestra but then even fewer people would like it. No one uses percussion, chords and phrasing quite like our little Joan. ET 'with no help from God at all' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:59:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Can you hear the castanets? I feel SO lucky to have gotten such endless joy from Shine and would just urge the disappointed to give it more time and listens. Blast it alone..... Meanwhile how can anyone disagree that Night Of The Iguana isn't among the most amazing songs she's ever done?! It's like Don Juan's Reckless Daughter crashed into The Reoccurring Dream and woke up Slouching Towards Bethlehem ;~D ET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:36:54 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Shine's ongoing disappointment I'm enjoying Shine just fine. Is it Joni's best work? Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder (or the ears as in this case) but I'd say no to these ears. But then again I'm not trying to compare Shine to anything before just as I don't think you should compare Blue to Mingus or For The Roses to Song To A Seagull. Every Joni album is its own entity and I think that is key. If you compare it to your favorite album, surely it won't hold up because we all have our own favorites! But I can say I really do enjoy Shine and am so thankful that Joni wrote a new album. It's something new but it has remnants of past works or more or less glimpses or...perhaps influences from other works. I still particularly enjoy "Shine" and "If" the most. Just brilliant if you ask me. I still don't care for Hana. That's just my opinion and I know yours is different just as the next person's is. Funny how different we all are as human beings and how we hear the same thing yet it's completely different to each of us individually! As for all the synth parts, well it's just Joni being Joni. She tried something different as she always does, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Whether it works or not is a matter of opinion. But that's Joni...she's always doing her own thing no matter what. I admire her for that. -Monika, who loves Joni's comment on the businessmen who run the labels that they only "love golf and porno." Ah, she kills me man. Eric Taylor wrote: Dave Blackburn votes: > I can absolutely understand why many people would not get into Shine for numerous reasons, like some of its scathing lyrics and strange new sounds. But I think you need to read the credits closer because Shine features real sax (played brilliently by Bob Sheppard), real guitars (played wonderfully by Joni and James Taylor), real base (God bless you Larry Klein!!!) Plus Greg Leisz on pedal steel, Brian Blade on drums and Paulinho Da Costa on percussion!!!!!!! On Hana they sound like Weather Report only better! IMNSHO there is nothing "fake" about Shine. Of course she could have played it with the London Symphony Orchestra but then even fewer people would like it. No one uses percussion, chords and phrasing quite like our little Joan. ET 'with no help from God at all' - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #396 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)