From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #385 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, December 4 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 385 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- a meeting with a young joni fan ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Travelogue+ A Story How I Got My Travelogue ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Subject: Joni Essentials [Michael Flaherty ] RE: John Lennon and Joni Christmas/holiday cards [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: a meeting with a young joni fan [Michael Flaherty ] Re: She DID show up. [Jerry Notaro ] troubador she did show up ["WATTS, LESLI" ] Re: John Lennon and Joni Christmas/holiday cards ["Mark Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:04:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: a meeting with a young joni fan > for the roses is the only joni in the collection at home. next? suggestions?< I always suggest starting at the beginning STAS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:29:58 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Travelogue+ A Story How I Got My Travelogue Cool story Rian! I must respond to several things. >>Songs that would fit Travelogue but were not travelogued: The Magdalene Laundries Song To A Seagull Two Grey Rooms The Boho Dance Banquet Little Green Shadows And Light (Someone should rearrange this. Rolling Stone called the song a long fart)<< I am laughing so hard at that RS review!!!!! Never heard that before. & i completely agree with your selection of songs that would fit T'log. Although I think Lakota would be very interesting set to a symphony orchestra. Imagine Buffy Sainte-Marie and her tribe doing back up vocals! >>This is crazy. It was a huge music store. I felt like i was going to cry. You know, I was just a few meters away from my Travelogue, but i don't know where the hell that CD was. I just cant imagine myself trying to find that CD somewhere in this huge store. But i did. I searched it one by one, CD by CD. The shopkeeper must have thought i was nut. It took almost 2 hours to find it. That was one of the happiest moments in my life. No lies.<< O Rian that is the very meaning of priceless! I've had similar experiences in record stores over the years searching for great music but nothing so devoted. I vote you Joni's #1 fan ;~* ET ~Shine on the pioneers / those seekers of mental health Craving simplicity / they traveled inward / past themselves~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 03:13:42 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: RE: Travelogue+ A Story How I Got My Travelogue Kate Bennett wrote: > I'm on pins & needles, Rian! Where did you eventually find it? > I love T'log. But as I've said many times it is best listened to in the > following manner- in the evening, with all the house lights off (holiday +++++ How did i find the CD? Well. The store was like an ocean of CDs. I didn't use any tactic to find it, i just tried to spot any yellow-colored-CD-cover. For a few times, Kate Bush's Aerial (which has yellow album cover) (and was also scattered/misplaced everywhere) fooled me. (That's why i hate Kate Bush's Aerial) (really hate!). I still did not find it. Then i remembered, Travelogue is a double album. So, it's possible that the jewelcase is a little bit bigger than most CDs. And just a few seconds after that, (drumroll please), proud-headed-Queen-Joni stared at me. That was crazy. Rian. NP. The Dixie Chicks - Wide Open Spaces - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 04:51:12 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Travelogue+ A Story How I Got My Travelogue Eric wrote: >>>I am laughing so hard at that RS review!!!!! Never heard that before. +++Well Eric, this is the sentence: "Shadows and Light" suffers from too many vocal overdubs and a synthesizer that sounds like a long, solemn fart. You can find the full article on jonimitchell.com>musician>pick THoSL> pick a review there. I have to agree RSs review about S&L (the song, not the album). I think that song is the weakest song from THoSL even though the lyric was good. Eric also wrote: O Rian that is the very meaning of priceless! I've had similar experiences in record stores over the years searching for great music but nothing so devoted. I vote you Joni's #1 fan ++++ :-) Thanks for voting me Eric, i feel sooo honored, but i think everyone here, the listers of JMDL, past or present, are Jonis most precious fans. About the devotion thing, Well. Since Joni touched me with Blue (about 2 years ago), ummmm, i dunno, i was (what's the word, eh?) moved. My curiosity grows bigger, Bigger, BIGger, and BIGGER. Thank God I found this JMDL. Rian NP. Hana - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 04:50:09 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Meeting a young joni fan Mags menulis: for the roses is the only joni in the collection at home. next? suggestions? +++++ Rian menulis: Well Mags, listen to this. For The Roses is very a good start (who can resist YTMOIAR?). After that, you must suggest these : Court and Spark, Blue, and Ladies of The Canyon. Those 3 albums plus FTR (and THoSL) are very very great start for Joni Beginners. That's what i experienced 2 years ago. The result? You can see what happened to me. Besides that, IMO a 13 y o will digest those albums easily. You know, i love to introduce Joni's music to my friends, my siblings, and members of my extended family. I always use songs from those 5 albums for the start. But, if the one that you want to introduce Joni to is a type of person who loves challenges, something new, and basically loves rock music, well, then play him/her Black Crow, Talk To Me, & In French They Kiss On Main Street (S&L version). Those 3 are songs that i used to introduce Joni to my brother (whose music heroes are Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Steve Ray Vaughan, and G&R) Result? Positive. Rian NP. Carole King - Tapestry - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 07:06:51 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Subject: Joni Essentials walter yablonsky wrote: >(get rid of "paprika plains" Over my ... well not dead body, but close. ;) Michael F. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:01:06 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: RE: John Lennon and Joni Christmas/holiday cards Hmm, well a relationship can be very, very tricky. I never read that Neil Young left Carrie Snodgress so he didn't have to deal with their child. His second child also has a disability and I know he's said he felt like shit that TWO of his children have disabilities. From what I read, things got very complicated between them but who really knows? -Monika Patti Parlette wrote: Thanks for this message, Monika. Hope all is well chez vous. You are a Joni treasure...I'm really glad I sent you the WOHAM DVD way back when. A newbie/lurker wrote to me today about Neil Young and I feel really sad about what she told me. Read on and let me know what you think. I love Neil as much as you do, and this was a bit of a downer to read. Love & Peace, Patti P. **** No, I didn't know that! Thank you for telling me. I just looked for more info: http://www.thrasherswheat.org/friends/snodgress.htm I'm very sorry to hear that Neil left her and Zeke like that. I've really liked him over the years, esp. lately, but this news certainly brings him down a few pegs in my book. Of course we never know what goes on between two people, but deserting a sick child is not good, if it is indeed all true. In any case, welcome to the list, Ann! Peace, Patti P. > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:48:57 -0800 > From: l > Subject: Re: 2 Joni references this week > To: loveuconn@hotmail.com > > you know that carrie died a few years ago? > i had read that their child had a disability and he > left her to deal with it. > > ________________________________ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:04:06 -0800 From: motitan75@yahoo.com Subject: Re: John Lennon and Joni Christmas/holiday cards To: joni@smoe.org; loveuconn@hotmail.com Thanks for the link. How very interesting. - -M Patti Parlette wrote: I just learned (see why I never throw out unread newspapers?) that you can get John Lennon Christmas/holiday cards here: http://www.oxfam.org.uk/applications/blogs/pressoffice/2007/11/john_lennons_fat_budgie_flies.html And for our newbies who may not know, Joni -- and Leonard Cohen and you know there may be more -- has cards you can get here: http://www.warchild.ca/shop_cards.html There's a wide world of noble causes, and both of these organizations are good ones, to the best of my knowledge. Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline ________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista. + Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:57:38 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: The list Hi Wes, Under the compilations category, i'd also highly recommend Shadows & Light - and don't forget to check out the DVD of it! It's always fun to see her performing as opposed to just listening to her. Donna >>> Wes 12/1/2007 8:58 AM >>> What a hard choice to make on these! My criteria was how hard it was for *me* to get into the album. That doesn't mean I don't love every note of the "Be Careful" albums; it was just that those seemed more difficult to appreciate until multiple listens. There's nothing wrong with the "Go Ahead and Skip" albums either, but they wouldn't be what I'd buy someone as a gift who wasn't familiar with Joni. Essentials: (pick 3) 1. Song to a Seagull 2. For The Roses 3. Hejira Recommended: (pick 3) 1. Blue 2. Ladies of the Canyon 3. Court and Spark Be careful: (pick 3) 1. Hissing of Summer Lawns 2. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 3. Dog Eat Dog Go ahead and skip: (pick 3) 1. Taming The Tiger 2. Travelogue 3. Turbulent Indigo Compilation: (pick 1) 1. Hits Live: (pick 1) 1. Miles of Aisles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 07:09:21 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: a meeting with a young joni fan > for the roses is the only joni in the collection at home. next? suggestions?< If you love FtR, I'd say Blue. Michael F. - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:55:58 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: She DID show up. Did any JMDLer witness it? http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1815 Les (not London) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:16:28 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: She DID show up. Very, very cool. AND a possible video and cd release!!!! np: Free Man In Paris - Refuge World Tour-Tokyo > Did any JMDLer witness it? > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1815 > > > > Les (not London) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:30:27 -0800 From: "WATTS, LESLI" Subject: troubador she did show up my friend, dori from work, was lucky enough to be given tickets for her birthday for the thursday 10 o'clock show. she is a jt , not a joni fan. she called me saturday morning to say joni had been there. "did you see her?" i asked. " did she put on a harmony?" nah she hung out upstairs was her reply. pretty cool she went on friday too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:07:54 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: John Lennon and Joni Christmas/holiday cards - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Parlette" > L'amour et la paix, > Patti, Pourquoi pas la paix et l'etoile? Mark E in Seattle (not sure if that's 100% correct) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:17:12 +1100 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Review of River - the Joni Letters Hi everyone Yay (does happy dance) - our new Prime Minister just signed the Kyoto Protocol! I have an in box full of 40 + digests to read, so apologise if this has already been posted. Here is a review of Herbie Hancock9s River from the Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/news/cd-reviews/river-the-joni-letters/2007/11/30/1196 394602932.html Is this album of Joni Mitchell songs one of Herbie Hancock's good ones or trashy ones? Inevitably one wonders beforehand if this album of Joni Mitchell songs will be one of Hancock's good ones or trashy ones. When Nora Jones starts singing Court And Spark, I think "why?" and "trash". Then Wayne Shorter's soprano saxophone arcs into it like a falling star and suddenly the song is illuminated in a whole new light, just as jazz is supposed to, with Hancock using the piano to shift pools of space as only he can, and even Jones starts to sound all right. Tina Turner sounds better, pouring her big-mama soul into Edith And The Kingpin, against a light, dancing, jazzy version of funk from bassist Dave Holland, drummer Vinnie Colaiuta and guitarist Lionel Loueke. Shorter's tenor makes wry, anguished or exquisite asides. For an instrumental reading of Both Sides Now he hollows out his sound to a desperate forlornness, while Loueke adds wispy cries and at the music's high-water mark the bass and brushes dig shallow hollows that instantly fill with little waves of piano. English singer Corinne Bailey Rae is as innocent as a pair of pigtails gently delivering River, and those characteristic cries of Loueke fly up above the stave for Sweet Bird, while Colaiuta's brushes rustle in the undergrowth of Holland's enormous tone and Hancock has a delicate conference with his old chum Shorter, who gradually squeezes all the tone from his tenor until it is pure air. Mitchell looks in to sing Tea Leaf Prophecy and you are reminded of how her phrasing was always so crucial to making her wordy songs work and how right Shorter's soprano seems chirping amid her singing, as it has done periodically for three decades. Solitude begs for a bass solo that never arrives, Holland sounding magnificent underpinning Hancock at his most pensive, while Colaiuta lets the time float a little. Brazil's Luciana Souza is perfectly cast for Amelia, not so much singing it as unfolding across it. Then, just when you are beginning to long for more spine, Hancock turns the band out upon the field of Shorter's Nefertiti, which, without breaking the drifting aesthetic, allows for a genuine five-way conversation, for some harder punches from Colaiuta and for Loueke to stroll into the foreground. There had to be a surprise and Leonard Cohen reading the pre-rap poetry of The Jungle Line certainly raises eyebrows. For all its rumbling pitch, his voice is clear and insistent against Hancock's piano, shining a much brighter light on the interplay of the words than Mitchell's version. These jazz-meets-pop projects are usually wretched affairs. This one reflects a genuine love of Mitchell's music and the ability of that music to be opened up by sympathetic improvisers (and some fine singers). One of Herbie's good ones? No, it's better than that. Melissa in Sydney NP: ABC Sydney Radio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:56:27 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Travelogue+ A Story How I Got My Travelogue >>I'm on pins & needles, Rian! Where did you eventually find it? I love T'log. But as I've said many times it is best listened to in the following manner- in the evening, with all the house lights off (holiday lights are okay), relaxing in your favorite chair or couch undisturbed, fire crackling, candles burning, sometime around the winter solstice (for northern hemisphere dwellers), sipping on your favorite holiday beverage. If you do this, it will take you on a marvelous visual journey. Try it! It is that time of year! Kate<< I feel exactly the same way Kate. LOVED this post from Rian! I must try what you recommend in the dark on the solstice sipping spiked eggnog by a crackling fire. I usually listen to it in the car to soothe my wracked nerves so I have missed out on the visuals for all these years now!!! (~) Eric ~Shine on worldwide traffic jams honking day and night~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:12:43 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: John Lennon and Joni Christmas/holiday cards Mark came out to wonder: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patti Parlette" >> L'amour et la paix, >> > > Patti, > > Pourquoi pas la paix et l'etoile? > > Mark E in Seattle > (not sure if that's 100% correct) > Grand sourire (big smile), Mark! Is there a thunderhead of judgment of the moon and stars gathering in your gaze? LOL....or, they say in France on Main Street: mdr (mort de rire -- death by laughing). (Pardonnez-moi -- I was writing a lot of French today trying to get a Rufus ticket pour l'ami de notre Monsieur Smurfi.) Pourquoi "l'amour et l'etoile"? Because that's one of the posters over John and Yoko's bed. Voila: http://imaginepeace.com/imaginepeace24.html Mais c'est une tres bonne idee, la paix et l'etoile (But that is a very good idea, the peace and the star). Do you think Joni has that over her small white bed? Notre "etoile scintillante" (our shining star as JT called her). How could I ignore all the stars up above me? (TICS! Starbright, starbright....I saw a burning star burn up.....) Now I have a whole bunch of posters to make. Marianne, au secours! (Help me!) L'amour et la paix et l'etoile, Patti P. "You know, give peace a chance, not shoot people for peace. All we need is love. I believe it. It's damn hard, but I absolutely believe it. We're not the first to say, 'Imagine no countries' or 'Give Peace A Chance', but we're carrying that torch, like the Olympic torch, passing it from hand to hand, to each other, to each country, to each generation. That's our job." - -- John Lennon, 1980 Carry the torch. Light the lamp! And we all shine on.... _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista. + Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:17:23 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: John Lennon and Joni Christmas/holiday cards - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Parlette" Pourquoi "l'amour et l'etoile"? Because that's one of the posters over John and Yoko's bed. Voila: http://imaginepeace.com/imaginepeace24.html Mais c'est une tres bonne idee, la paix et l'etoile (But that is a very good idea, the peace and the star). And so I ask you please Can I help you find the peace and the star? (la paix et l'etoile) Surely you got that reference amid your fiddling and drumming, ma cher amie! xoxo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 05:44:34 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: DUI-JM Bon soir encore une fois, Joniami(e)s! Here I am up all night in the studios again when I really should be getting some bed peace in the dazzling darkness, but I have to share this "love is a story told" before I forget. My son Michael from Mountains (yes, he was named after the song, and you know I'm not kidding!) was in town buying his new tires (so he doesn't dream flat ones) and I had the good fortune to pick him up and take him out to a Barangrill for dinner. I was excited because he would be a captive audience on the carousel of time, traveling in my vehicle, and I could play some Shine for him. Ha! I was shining as I reeled him in. Now I've told you how my sons are terrible Joni teasers, so be prepared. It was a tough choice, but I decided to play "If" first. As tires come squealing I said: Hi honey! Hop in! You are in for a treat. Here is Joni's new album! M (smiling, but being sarcastic): I'm soooo excited, Mom! Me: You must listen to the words. She is so inspiring. (I make you welcome in: If you can keep your head While all about you People are losing theirs and blaming you If you can trust yourself When everybody doubts you And make allowance for their doubting too....) (I thought these would be good words for a 23 year-old.) M: That's not Joni! Me: What do you mean? M: That's a man's voice! Me: No sir! That's Joni! You just expect that helium voice. You need to learn more about Joni. M: Is she going to tour now? Me: No, we don't think so. She wants to do more ballets. M: We? Me: Yeah, you know. The JMDL. M: Oh, okay Mom! I really wanted him to just listen to the music (sweet music) but of course we started talking and catching up on stuff on the way to the Barangrill. Dinner was lovely and so was the Conversation. (This boy is doing me proud -- tears and fears and feeling proud -- counseling troubled youths and teaching them about racism and justice and so many other important things.) On the way back to the tire store, we listened to more Shine. I was thinking I should take a long detour so he could hear the whole thing, while I was anxiously changing tracks. What did I want him to hear the most? The whole thing! I know he knows BYT, even though he won't admit it (his girlfriend told me that while at a pool party One Week Last Summer Joni came on and he sang ALL the words, and he also did that with "Help Me"), so I played BYT. I was torn between wanting to hear his stories and wanting him to hear Joni. Then while Night of the Iguana came on I was singing and pulled onto the wrong exit! (At least it wasn't a dangerous merge like you pulled, Marian, between the fine white lines of the free freeway!) He had just been asking me when I might retire and said: "Retire? I never think about that. I love my job. Are you saying I look old? I may be only fifty-three, but I am SWINGING!" M: MOM! Where are you going? (as I'm singing and pleading: Mike! You have to LISTEN TO THIS! Listen to the way she sings: "The jasmine is so mercilesssssssssly SWEEEEEEEEET") Me: Huh? Where are we? M: You took the wrong exit! For a few seconds, I really did not know where I was. I was totally DUI-JM. I know the refuge of these roads like the back of my hand. Then I took another turn, and again he said: MOM! WHERE are you GOING? (We were pulling into the mall, where the Shaboo Inn used to be, totally off-course. Again, for a few seconds, I was totally disoriented and ooby-shooby, but then I got back on the clickety clack.) Me: Sorry, hon. Wow. For a minute I thought I was getting Alzheimers, and that maybe I really should think of retiring. But now I know what it is. It's just a little DUI-JM episode." M: A *what*? So I tried to explain. I think he got it. Or maybe not. Maybe he is calling his older brother tonight and saying: "Chris, I'm pretty worried about Mom. It may be time to put her in a home for aging children. She's in Flip City!" Nah. Everything's cool. Thanks for all the space and I hope I made sense with the tombs/toothpicks in my eyes and the songs that I punched were dreaming! Listen, they sing of love so sweet, love so sweet.... Bed Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista. + Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #385 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)