From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #378 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, November 28 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 378 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. [Bob.Muller@F] RE: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. [Monika Bogdanowicz ] JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. [] Re: JOTM&S [Bobsart48@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:17:43 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. Hey, that was very cool, Richard - thanks for sending it. I don't think I've heard that show before. Of the many things I enjoy about having all these Joni shows is that there is so much to be learned from them. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Takes a minute at the most compared to an hour and a half from before. -M Richard Flynn wrote: Here's another performance of "Judgement" from the BBC "Sounds for Saturday" show: 1972.05.19 according to the chronology, not 1972.05.26: http://download.yousendit.com/8D9C90BD3382DA2E - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Phyliss Ward Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:41 PM To: 'Bob Muller'; 'Rian Afriadi'; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. Wow, what a gem! Thanks for that Bob. JOTMAS is also one of my faves. Gives me chills every time...especially when she sings "roar like forest fire". So cool to hear it in the raw like that. Phyliss p.s. did you notice that one of Joni's old "friends" Jackson Browne is part of the Habitat for Humanity Christmas Jam in Asheville this year? And Peter Frampton too! Unfortunately we will be out of town... Why did Joni add the title 'Ludwig's Tune'? Is there any relation between the song and some of Beethoven's work?> Who better to answer the question than Joni herself? Here she is at The Troubadour in LA on November 17, 1972 performing it with an intro explaining the origins of the song: http://tinyurl.com/358asf JOTMAS is one of my favorite Joni songs, I refer to it as her 1st symphony, with "Down To You" being her 2nd and "Paprika Plains" being her 3rd. Bob NP Living Colour, "What's Your Favorite Color" - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. - -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:11:49 -0500 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's first "shine on..." Also from Harry's House / Centerpiece (which I happened to wake up to on XM radio this morning!) Shining hair and shining skin, shining as she reels him.... Jack - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Taylor To: jmdl Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:12 pm Subject: Re: Joni's first "shine on..." moni has shown us~ >>And she holds out her flashlight And she shines it on me (Electricity) Blackness everywhere and little lights shine (This Flight Tonight)<< This is a fun thread! Okay I'm thinking..... How about 'Some to shed a little light on you and on me Some to shed a little light on the human story' (Love or Money) 'With her body oiled and shining At the public swimming pool' (Harry's House--Centerpiece) 'While our limo is shining on his shanty street' (Furry Sings The Blues) 'To pick up on something shiny' (Black Crow) 'Fiction of the clay feet and the shining armor' (Fiction) SHINY TOYS (Dog Eat Dog) ;~D ET 'Shine on world-wide traffic jams Honking day and night' ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:38:41 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. Interesting! An (apparently) rare example of Joni writing the lyric first and then setting it to a melody. At 09:58 PM 11/26/2007, you wrote: >Here's another performance of "Judgement" from the BBC "Sounds for Saturday" >show: 1972.05.19 according to the chronology, not 1972.05.26: > > http://download.yousendit.com/8D9C90BD3382DA2E - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:47:05 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Joni's first "shine on..." - -------------- Original message from merk54@aol.com: -------------- > Also from Harry's House / Centerpiece (which I happened to wake up to on XM > radio this morning!) > > > > Shining hair and shining skin, shining as she reels him.... One of my favorite lines in any song, ever. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:39:33 +0000 From: Sherelle Smith Subject: RE: which joni constellation? Mark, there is something to be said about living and loving no matter how painful. That is why I admire Joni and her music so much. No matter how it turned out, she was still brave enough to tell the story...just as you were. That is where the beauty of her music lies. If the memory feels good, hold on to it. If it doesn't, hold onto it anyway because it proves you are alive and that you can feel. You are a survivor of love and you should be proud of that. To love deeply and richly no matter how the other person reciprocates it is a sign of character and depth in my opinion. This you most definitely have dear Mark. Sherelle Mark wrote:> > Hi Sherelle.> > I felt quite vulnerable revealing this story so publicly. I've never > even talked to family or friends about this. I had liked Joni's songs > earlier when I was hitchhiking around the country and I had travelled > to Canada before then too but hadn't paid close attention to the > lyrics of every song right away. It wasn't until after my sordid > affair with Richard that I listened to the lyrics of The Last Time I > Saw Richard and realised how closely her story matched my own > situation. It wasn't detroit nor 1968 and Richard's partner wasn't a > skater but everything else fit so disturbingly well. Richard told me > that I was too much of a romantic. I'm sure he felt affection for me, > maybe even love but, he was satisfied with his married life although, > he couldn't have been that satisfied. Something was obviously missing > if he wanted to be with me too. Maybe I was his therapist.> > When I met him again years later, it too was in a dark and dingy > cafe. No Barmaid in fishnet stockings though. Or maybe there was. I > never noticed. Most of the waitresses in that area are university > students trying to make ends meet.> > Obviously, I still think of Richard and wonder how his life has > turned out, whether he is still with his partner, whether they ever > finished their renovations (it was a beautiful old house), whether > they still have the dishwasher, the coffee percolator, whether he > still drinks at home with all the house lights left up bright.> > When I saw him again in that cafe, he was still in the same > situation; not quite satisfied. He thought he could get the love and > affection he was missing from me. I gave him pretty much the same > advice Joni gives; he hadn't really changed. He was just > romanticising some pain that was in his head. He really did have a > sweet life. He just couldn't see it. I would have given anything for > the stable life he had. I guess I was torn between finding love and > settling down and my need for freedom and my "urge for going".> > I still fall for pretty men who tell me pretty lies.> > Jeannie, you were spot on about Two Grey Rooms too. Maybe I'll tell > that story sometime too.> > Mark in Sydney> > > On 26/11/2007, at 2:03 AM, Sherelle Smith wrote:> > >> > (Working backwards again digest wise)> >> > Oh my goodness Mark! What a story!!! You had my heart with this > > one!!! I truly understand why Joni's music means so much to you > > personally! I bet this song threw you for a major loop when you > > first heard it. I was just wondering at what point did you hear of > > Joni's song in this story?> >> > Sherelle> >> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:05:46 +1100From: Mark-Leon Thorne > > Subject: Re: which joni constellation?> >> > I don't know if I can be summed up by one Joni song but what drew > > me to Joni's songs is that every time I heard one of her songs, I > > was blown away by how it described a situation in my life so > > closely. Here was a songwriter from the other side of the world, a > > female and 20 years older than me going through the same situations > > (no pun intended) as me. When I was about 20, I had a secret affair > > with a married man who lived a few streets away from me. He was a > > school teacher whose name was Richard. It was the wrong thing to do > > but I felt that I was totally in love with him. He had a good life > > with his partner and a good job at a Catholic girls' school and > > knowledge of me could have ruined his life totally. I protected him > > by remaining discreet but it never sat right with me. I felt that > > the song, Rikki Don't Lose That Number best fit my situation until > > later when I finally did the right thing and quietly departed. > > Years later, I ran into Richard and found he was still in the same > > relationship, living a blissful married life, renovating his old > > Victorian terrace and spending all his nights at home. His partner > > was unaware that we ever met. I was happy for him but, I, myself, > > was alone. That was the last time I saw Richard. Mark in Sydney> > _________________________________________________________________> > Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today > > it's FREE!> > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html? > > ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista. + Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_M ediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:37:06 -0800 From: Subject: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. Ahhhh, my most very and always favorite Joni album ;-) Can't believe I could at one time in another century sing those songs. Almost makes me want to give up the smokes and get rehab to do it again. At the 2000 BSN concert in L.A. Joni sang JOTMAS just off the freaking chart. The 1972 Troubador tape is thanks to old time JMDLer Pat Mead who personally snuck in a reel-to-reel to pull it off! It is my fave "bootleg." When I began school to study law the very first lesson they drilled into our heads was that it was spelled judgment NOT judgement. I figured I'd take their word for it. (They also told us it was subpena NOT subpoena but my firm spells it the ancient way, none the less). I will always gush about FTR - nothing has ever blown me away as much, although I do like the reminiscent bits of it on Shine. A belated thanks to Laura for that gorgeous unreleased Joni song now covered by Strings Attached. Geez! That was really wonderful to hear. Hope everyone is enjoying all the holiday cheer and chaos! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:09:17 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JOTM&S Ken asked "What would it have been like to be in the audience when she poured out her genius like that? " As I posted earlier this month, I was in the audience at Carnegie Hall 3 months before this performance. I do not recall for sure whether she did JOTM&S, but she unveiled several songs from FTR, which was still 9 months or so from its release date. Regarding the new songs, "they were real, and they were spectacular". Pretty, pretty amazing. It was very interesting to hear those songs for the first time live, in that venue - a bit tough on the audience (which had come expecting to hear only her "familiar" songs - which she did a good number of), as you might imagine. I was literally shaking in my seat. She was really something. Bobsart **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. 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