From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #368 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, November 19 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 368 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Pioneers... past themselves ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Rose Blows... ["Eric Taylor" ] SV: SV: Rose Blows... ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Pioneers... past themselves [Victor Johnson ] re: Dylanisms in others writing [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR [Monika Bogdanowicz ] RE: Dylanisms in others writing ["Richard Flynn" ] Woodstock ["Bastien De Zutter" ] re: Joni on Charlie Rose ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Woodstock ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Woodstock ["Dan Olson" ] RE: Dylanisms in others writing [Em ] RE: Woodstock ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Woodstock ["Dan Olson" ] David Hajdu's review of Shine [Deb Messling ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #366 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #366 [StDoherty@aol.com] Joni's best recipes [Patti Parlette ] Re: Hello! It's Bo [Peep Richman ] Re: Woodstock [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Backing Tracks ["Mick Kelly" ] Re: Woodstock ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Backing Tracks [Bob Muller ] RE: SV: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR ["WATTS, LESLI" ] Re: Pioneers... past themselves ["Eric Taylor" ] One of the boys ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Hello! It's Bo ["Eric Taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:06:29 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Pioneers... past themselves The title track is SO deeply profound, musically and lyrically, as is the whole album! SHINE manages to melt all of the extremes into one wonderful impression. It is a Medicine Wheel..... INtelligence INtrospection in INspiration INnocence Enlightenment is all about hejiraing far past our poor little egos. Up a sycamore looking through the leaves at Joni, ET 'Shine on the pioneers / those seekers of mental health Craving simplicity / they traveled inward / past themselves... May all their little lights shine' ~JM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:45:59 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Rose Blows... >>He kept cutting her off - at one point going as far as to say "talk about." - - quickly steering her onto the next point he wanted covered as opposed to listening to what she had to say.<< This is exactly why I have little interest in watching these interviews. I am still so blown away by SHINE and the F&D ballet that I could care less what some old farts don't think. And I could care even less about what she wears or how her hair looks! O my what a BRILLIANT artist in EVERY way!!! Joni has certainly increased my IQ and saved me from insanity (I hope). ;~D ET NP: RIVER the joni letters (intoxicatingly beautiful) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:14:01 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: Rose Blows... Exactly, Monika, that's what I meant by saying "for a 64-year-old". She does not look 64, more like 50 something. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 18 november 2007 03:52 Till: Marion Leffler; Joni people! Dmne: Re: SV: Rose Blows... I actually think Joni looks younger than her age. -Monika Marion Leffler wrote: Well, I don't know about the smoking - a smoker can actually go without for an hour or so without fidgeting or losing her nerve, so I don't really think that's why Joni appeared tense. (I have been a smoker so I can sympathize). My guess is she just didn't feel comfortable with Charlie. And it made me sad to see Joni let herself be reduced by a smug fellow who used all the classic male strategies to diminish her: cutting her off, displaying disinterest, really letting her know who was in charge here. I wonder how Joni felt after the interview was finished... About her looks - she looked great to me for a 64-year-old woman! Her make-up and hairdo was discrete; Joni would look strange to me with "teased up kind of hair". The colour could be more natural, I agree with you on that one. And her face becoming acorn-like? What do you mean? (Really just asking). Anyway, so what if her age is showing? It's as natural as the weather... Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Christopher Treacy Skickat: den 17 november 2007 18:49 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Rose Blows... So - I've never watched Charlie before - and boy did I think that sucked. He kept cutting her off - at one point going as far as to say "talk about." - - quickly steering her onto the next point he wanted covered as opposed to listening to what she had to say. Something else crossed my mind here though - and my apologies if it's already been brought up - but Charlie didn't let Joni smoke. Which as far as I can tell is why she's endlessly wringing her hands. it may also be why her interview was shorter and the fall TV blather was extended. "Well, Charlie - if she can smoke she'll do a full 40 minutes." "Nope, she can't - sorry, that's just our policy." "Okay - 15 minutes maximum then." Furthermore, her thinking and delivery aren't as fluid as they normally are.without her coping herb, she runs into a little trouble 'spitting it out'. Joni looks good to me - but I think radiant and gorgoeus is a little far flung. She looks over-blonde, over-tanned and over-tucked. And yes, for a woman as beautiful as she is at the base, it's striking. Her face is becoming more acorn-like - I'm having trouble getting used to it. I wish they could blow her hair and out and spray it a little - more body. It'd frame her face better. make her look even healthier. Travis and CBS were revelations - short, and yet both interviews came across with so much more information. And the way Rose kept looking at the camera coupled with the smug swagger in his voice. anyone got a grenade? - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:12:34 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Pioneers... past themselves On Nov 18, 2007, at 3:06 AM, Eric Taylor wrote: > > Up a sycamore looking through the leaves at Joni, > > ET Joni = Jesus? Interesting concept but if I was Joni I wouldn't want to be held up to such high standards. Part of being an artist is always striving to become better, to hone your craft and delve deeper into the muse, dance with the demon, art. If you embody Jesus, there's not a whole lot more you can hope to achieve. Plus, I have just a little trouble with the image of a smoking Jesus. Although I could see him possibly getting stoned. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: re: Dylanisms in others writing He's the MALE Joni Mitchell, haha. Only kidding of course since Joni hates being called the "female Bob Dylan." -M P.S. My first email I sent in response I wrote Bob Dylan is the FEMALE Joni Mitchell....as far as we know Joni's a woman....lol. Catherine McKay wrote: "Lama (Jim L*Hommedieu)" wrote: Bob Dylan is a pretty good songwriter. I think he's up there with Joni in a class of two. Of course, his influence has out-paced anybody from his generation too. He's OK, but he's no Joni Mitchell. ;-) Catherine - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:28:03 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR I never skip Banquet! Often, I hit "repeat" after I listen to it.... -M Jeannie wrote: Hi, rian! Oh, yeah, I did forget about the gravy, gristle, cookie, and marrow bone in Banquet! Thanks for the other food reference in Joni's music. I usually skip, 'Banquet,' too, to track #2, 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire'...unless I'm in a pensive, sort of melancholy type of mood in total silence, which I rarely get a taste of anymore...'nothing,' really, rian, anymore. No time! For now, I'm just so happy to have Shine, still playing whenever possible, morning, noon or night! rian, about the movie, 'ROTC,' I've never seen it, nor do I know what the title's abbreviation, 'ROTC,' stands for. I just recently discovered here Joni was in some movie and from I read here, the film is not very good. One day I'll try see it. I think Joni's simplicity kept her from playing the movie queen role. About Jewel, I need to listen to one of her recordings. Maybe you can recommend one, rian. I've seen Jewel on TV and I always wanted to learn more about her other than she and her mother lived out of a car, homeless, and no place to go, but straight forward and she's done a darn good job and for that I commend her. That's an incredible feat, to consistently fight for the light, no matter how dark the present finds one in...and Jewel found the way to let her little light shine after the dazzling darkness. Well, rian, it's been nice talking to you again on this quiet Saturday night, as Shine plays, as I sit here outside underneath a beautiful half moon, alone! Hey, I'll listen to, 'Banquet!' Take Care, Jeannie .. rian afriadi wrote: Jeannie wrote : The only reference to food that I recall Joni makes in her lyrics are, "Winn-Dixie cold cuts And highway hand me downs," Oh, I just remembered, "There was milk and toast and honey And a bowl of oranges, too Well Jeannie, you forgot to mention a bunch of food in Banquet. Why? Is it because you got nothing though there's plenty to share? :-) Banquet. Hmmm. I don't know why i don't really like that song. Everytime i listen to my FTR, i always skip that song (even though i admit that song is great). Maybe because i don't like the arrangement. But, i found the rearranged Banquet (found on Refuge of The Road DVD) more interesting. I never skip that part. And talking about ROTR the movie, what do you think about that? I actually don't like the show. It's not a concert. It's just Joni, with her hair dyed white, with her band playing in a stage with no audiences, but strangely, you can hear applauses in the end. But, I REALLY love the re-arrangements. It's so interesting to hear 80's version of her 70's tunes. Specially, Banquet and ROTR. With that new arrangements, those 2 song would perfectly fit WTRF the album. And 1 more thing: I found white-haired Joni so sexy. Rian. NP. Three great stimulants PS. I didn't reread above writing, so you may find some grammar error there. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. nj ' - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:10:53 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR I never skip Banquet either. It's one of Joni's first social commentaries, I have never grown tired of it. Cold Blue Steel is also a social commentary but more creepy, to me anyway. That's the one I tend to skip on FTR. Maybe that's because I had a friend who became a drug addict, and there was nothing I could do to help her. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 18 november 2007 15:28 Till: Jeannie; Joni people! Dmne: Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR I never skip Banquet! Often, I hit "repeat" after I listen to it.... -M Jeannie wrote: Hi, rian! Oh, yeah, I did forget about the gravy, gristle, cookie, and marrow bone in Banquet! Thanks for the other food reference in Joni's music. I usually skip, 'Banquet,' too, to track #2, 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire'...unless I'm in a pensive, sort of melancholy type of mood in total silence, which I rarely get a taste of anymore...'nothing,' really, rian, anymore. No time! For now, I'm just so happy to have Shine, still playing whenever possible, morning, noon or night! rian, about the movie, 'ROTC,' I've never seen it, nor do I know what the title's abbreviation, 'ROTC,' stands for. I just recently discovered here Joni was in some movie and from I read here, the film is not very good. One day I'll try see it. I think Joni's simplicity kept her from playing the movie queen role. About Jewel, I need to listen to one of her recordings. Maybe you can recommend one, rian. I've seen Jewel on TV and I always wanted to learn more about her other than she and her mother lived out of a car, homeless, and no place to go, but straight forward and she's done a darn good job and for that I commend her. That's an incredible feat, to consistently fight for the light, no matter how dark the present finds one in...and Jewel found the way to let her little light shine after the dazzling darkness. Well, rian, it's been nice talking to you again on this quiet Saturday night, as Shine plays, as I sit here outside underneath a beautiful half moon, alone! Hey, I'll listen to, 'Banquet!' Take Care, Jeannie .. rian afriadi wrote: Jeannie wrote : The only reference to food that I recall Joni makes in her lyrics are, "Winn-Dixie cold cuts And highway hand me downs," Oh, I just remembered, "There was milk and toast and honey And a bowl of oranges, too Well Jeannie, you forgot to mention a bunch of food in Banquet. Why? Is it because you got nothing though there's plenty to share? :-) Banquet. Hmmm. I don't know why i don't really like that song. Everytime i listen to my FTR, i always skip that song (even though i admit that song is great). Maybe because i don't like the arrangement. But, i found the rearranged Banquet (found on Refuge of The Road DVD) more interesting. I never skip that part. And talking about ROTR the movie, what do you think about that? I actually don't like the show. It's not a concert. It's just Joni, with her hair dyed white, with her band playing in a stage with no audiences, but strangely, you can hear applauses in the end. But, I REALLY love the re-arrangements. It's so interesting to hear 80's version of her 70's tunes. Specially, Banquet and ROTR. With that new arrangements, those 2 song would perfectly fit WTRF the album. And 1 more thing: I found white-haired Joni so sexy. Rian. NP. Three great stimulants PS. I didn't reread above writing, so you may find some grammar error there. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. nj ' - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:26:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: SV: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR Let me chime in. I have always thought Banquet to be Joni's greatest composition, both lyrically and musically. Jery Marion Leffler wrote: > I never skip Banquet either. It's one of Joni's first social commentaries, > I > have never grown tired of it. Cold Blue Steel is also a social commentary > but more creepy, to me anyway. That's the one I tend to skip on FTR. Maybe > that's because I had a friend who became a drug addict, and there was > nothing I could do to help her. > Marion > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika > Bogdanowicz > Skickat: den 18 november 2007 15:28 > Till: Jeannie; Joni people! > Dmne: Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR > > I never skip Banquet! Often, I hit "repeat" after I listen to it.... > -M > > Jeannie wrote: > Hi, rian! > > Oh, yeah, I did forget about the gravy, gristle, cookie, and marrow bone > in > Banquet! > > Thanks for the other food reference in Joni's music. > > I usually skip, 'Banquet,' too, to track #2, 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet > Fire'...unless I'm in a pensive, sort of melancholy type of mood in total > silence, which I rarely get a taste of anymore...'nothing,' really, rian, > anymore. > No time! > > For now, I'm just so happy to have Shine, still playing whenever possible, > morning, noon or night! > > rian, about the movie, 'ROTC,' I've never seen it, nor do I know what the > title's abbreviation, 'ROTC,' stands for. > > I just recently discovered here Joni was in some movie and from I read > here, > the film is not very good. One day I'll try see it. > > I think Joni's simplicity kept her from playing the movie queen role. > > About Jewel, I need to listen to one of her recordings. Maybe you can > recommend one, rian. > > I've seen Jewel on TV and I always wanted to learn more about her other > than > she and her mother lived out of a car, homeless, and no place to go, but > straight forward and she's done a darn good job and for that I commend > her. > That's an incredible feat, to consistently fight for the light, no matter > how dark the present finds one in...and Jewel found the way to let her > little light shine after the dazzling darkness. > > Well, rian, it's been nice talking to you again on this quiet Saturday > night, as Shine plays, as I sit here > outside underneath a beautiful half moon, alone! > > Hey, I'll listen to, 'Banquet!' > > Take Care, > Jeannie > > > > > > > .. > > > > > > rian afriadi wrote: > Jeannie wrote : > The only reference to food that I recall Joni makes in her lyrics > are, > "Winn-Dixie cold cuts > And highway hand me downs," > Oh, I just remembered, > "There was milk and toast and honey > And a bowl of oranges, too > > > Well Jeannie, you forgot to mention a bunch of food in Banquet. Why? Is it > because you got nothing though there's plenty to share? :-) > > Banquet. Hmmm. I don't know why i don't really like that song. Everytime i > listen to my FTR, i always skip that song (even though i admit that song > is > great). Maybe because i don't like the arrangement. But, i found the > rearranged Banquet (found on Refuge of The Road DVD) more interesting. I > never skip that part. > > And talking about ROTR the movie, > what do you think about that? > I actually don't like the show. It's not a concert. It's just Joni, with > her > hair dyed white, with her band playing in a stage with no audiences, but > strangely, you can hear applauses in the end. > > But, I REALLY love the re-arrangements. > It's so interesting to hear 80's version of her 70's tunes. > Specially, Banquet and ROTR. With that new arrangements, those 2 song > would > perfectly fit WTRF the album. > > And 1 more thing: > I found white-haired Joni so sexy. > > Rian. > NP. Three great stimulants > PS. I didn't reread above writing, so you may find some grammar error > there. > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See > how. > > > > nj > > ' > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:16:52 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Dylanisms in others writing - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" > He's the MALE Joni Mitchell, haha. Only kidding of course since > Joni hates being called the "female Bob Dylan." -M > P.S. My first email I sent in response I wrote Bob Dylan is the > FEMALE Joni Mitchell....as far as we know Joni's a woman....lol. Yeah, but Dylan once said that Joni is 'like a man'. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:33:30 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Dylanisms in others writing Don't forget that Joni said that hearing "Positively Fourth Street" taught her a lot about songwriting: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=307 How big an influence was Dylan on you? I wrote poetry, and I always wanted to make music. But I never put the two things together. Just a simple thing like being a singer-songwriter - that was a new idea. It used to take three people to do that job. And when I heard "Positively Fourth Street," I realized that this was a whole new ballgame; now you could make your songs literature. The potential for the song had never occurred to me - I loved "Tutti-Frutti," you know. But it occurred to Dylan. At first I thought he was a copycat of Woody Guthrie. For a while his originality didn't come out. But when it hit, boy, oh, boy. I said, "Oh, God, look at this." And I began to write. So Dylan sparked me. Dylan made a pretty interesting comment regarding you a few years ago. Oh, I remember. He was talking about how he didn't like seeing women onstage, how he hates to see them up these whoring themselves. So he was asked, "Well, what about Joni Mitchell?" And he says something like "She's not really a woman. Joni's kind of like a man." [laughs] The thing is, I came into the business quite feminine. But nobody has had so many battles to wage as me. I had to stand up for my own artistic rights. And its probably good for my art ultimately. I remember early in my career somebody wrote that my work was "effeminate," which I thought was pretty odd. So over the years I think I've gotten more androgynous - and maybe become an honorary male, according to Bobby. But he's born on the twenty-fourth of May. My mother, Queen Victoria and Bobby were all born on that date. I always think that birth date is the day of the extreme moralist. So you weren't offended? In a way he's right. Music has become burlesque over the last few years - video's done that. Every generation has to be more shocking than the last. But at a certain point you've got to reel it in because decadence ultimately isn't that hip. Our country is going down the tubes from it. It's rotten to the core. And I think women can be more than decorative. I mean, it's the same old thing actresses have been saying all along, that these are no good roles for women. Well, there are women creating their own roles, but they're creating such shallow roles I wonder why. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark Scott Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:17 PM To: joni; Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Dylanisms in others writing - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" > He's the MALE Joni Mitchell, haha. Only kidding of course since > Joni hates being called the "female Bob Dylan." -M > P.S. My first email I sent in response I wrote Bob Dylan is the > FEMALE Joni Mitchell....as far as we know Joni's a woman....lol. Yeah, but Dylan once said that Joni is 'like a man'. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:05:53 +0100 From: "Bastien De Zutter" Subject: Woodstock Hello, I'm trying to find out the first public performance and/or the first known recording of "Woodstock" by Joni Mitchell. Any input is appreciated. Thanks in advance, Bastien www.SecondHandSongs.com - -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehvrt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:25:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: re: Joni on Charlie Rose >For me, two words: Missed Opportunity.< I agree but imo it was Rose who missed the opportunity. If he'd done his research (or maybe he had & didn't care) he'd know that Joni likes to 'ramble'. But that is what makes her so interesting! After the Travis interview I 'got' Joni more than ever. She mentioned something about her having something like autism & perhaps she is on that spectrum. I often enjoy CR's show because of his interesting guests but his overly self important style very often annoys me. He interrupted her abruptly which was very rude. I think her very blond hair is beautiful & makes her glow imo (love it straight as that is the way it always was- she also wears it up, like she did at her art show which is very beautiful). Her tan was no deeper than CR's so was probably make up but contrasted with her very blond hair. Tucked?! I've seen a lot of tucks (good & bad) but with Joni, it doesn't appear to me that she's had any work- to me, she appears to be aging naturally & gracefully. She has great bone structure in her face which helps. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:33:33 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Woodstock First know official recording is CSNY's recording. Dij` vu came out a month before LOTC. Earliest recording I have is September 13, 1969 (from Celebration at Big Sur movie). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bastien De Zutter Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 2:06 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Woodstock Hello, I'm trying to find out the first public performance and/or the first known recording of "Woodstock" by Joni Mitchell. Any input is appreciated. Thanks in advance, Bastien www.SecondHandSongs.com - -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehvrt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:51:26 -0600 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: Woodstock I believe that she performed it live on the Dick Cavett show, just after CSNY flew out of the festival to crash her scheduled appearance (which was the reason she was advised by David Geffen to NOT go to Woodstock). On 11/18/07, Bastien De Zutter wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm trying to find out the first public performance and/or the first known > recording of "Woodstock" by Joni Mitchell. Any input is appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Bastien > www.SecondHandSongs.com > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehvrt? > Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: RE: Dylanisms in others writing Dylan folded my brain in half and then pulled out one nipple through its own navel. :) I would not be who I am without that skinny little gorgeous man. (might have been better off in some ways, dunno) Em - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > How big an influence was Dylan on you? - - - - - - - Emzdogz - a little of the social; a little of the solo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:39:35 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Woodstock No, she performed the following songs on that show: "Chelsea Morning," "Willy," and "The Fiddle and the Drum." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dan Olson Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:51 PM To: Bastien De Zutter Cc: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Re: Woodstock I believe that she performed it live on the Dick Cavett show, just after CSNY flew out of the festival to crash her scheduled appearance (which was the reason she was advised by David Geffen to NOT go to Woodstock). On 11/18/07, Bastien De Zutter wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm trying to find out the first public performance and/or the first known > recording of "Woodstock" by Joni Mitchell. Any input is appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Bastien > www.SecondHandSongs.com > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehvrt? > Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:05:44 -0600 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: Woodstock Okay, but "Woman of Heart and Mind" was edited to make it seem like that's what happened (as I recall). On 11/18/07, Richard Flynn wrote: > > No, she performed the following songs on that show: > "Chelsea Morning," "Willy," and "The Fiddle and the Drum." > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dan > Olson > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:51 PM > To: Bastien De Zutter > Cc: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Woodstock > > I believe that she performed it live on the Dick Cavett show, just after > CSNY flew out of the festival to crash her scheduled appearance (which was > the reason she was advised by David Geffen to NOT go to Woodstock). > > > On 11/18/07, Bastien De Zutter wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I'm trying to find out the first public performance and/or the first > known > > recording of "Woodstock" by Joni Mitchell. Any input is appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Bastien > > www.SecondHandSongs.com > > -- > > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehvrt? > > Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:52:37 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: David Hajdu's review of Shine David Hajdu reviewed Shine in the 11/5 issue of the New Republic, available at the jmdl library at http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1800 He praises the music, but faults the album for " the near absence of its author in the words." Odd, because I see the author all over the place. She's still indulging her preoccupations, but this time her preoccupation is with the environment and the overall state of a nation in decline. It's as if Hajdu doesn't want to grant Joni the right to be concerned with anything other than her personal relationships. Oh, and he completely misses the irony in 'If I Had a Heart." Hajdu's a funny guy. He wrote a riveting book, Positively Fourth Street, about Dylan, Baez, and Richard & Mimi Farina. And he wrote a bizarre and stupendously wrongheaded article in the NY Times alleging that lesbians are taking over folk music: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D02E5DD103AF93BA2575BC0A9649C8B63 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:46:33 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #366 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:51:00 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #366 In a message dated 11/17/2007 9:56:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Subject: Joni on Charlie Rose Finally watched the video I thought it was fine. Canned somewhat - the hand wringing in front of that beautiful face a distraction ... but Joni was saying what Joni says. I love the bowling, smokin', and cares enough about pool to own her own table Joni. She should just skip the interviews and write her book. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:55:58 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni's best recipes Jeannie wrote : The only reference to food that I recall Joni makes in her lyrics are, "Winn-Dixie cold cuts And highway hand me downs," Oh, I just remembered, "There was milk and toast and honey And a bowl of oranges, too ***** And then Rian talked about Banquet. And you know there may be more, mes cheri(e)s! muffins and berries fresh salmon frying scrambled eggs brownies a bag of peaches butterscotch omelets and stews grapes and cheeses ice cream castles her cakes and her breads eggs over easy gristle, gravy, marrow bone, salty soup chocolate bars cold cuts from the fridge And then there is the beverage menu: sweet champagne tea and lemonade cokes Milch of the Madonna (Rhine wine) (a bottle of German wine to drink) Singapore slings gin the band's beers What have I missed? A complete list would be helpful, because the (proud-headed Queen) Lizzie's Curbside Cuisine quick lunch stand owner says she would LOVE to put on a Joni Banquet/Joni Mitchell Food Day in honor of her next birthday, or maybe before. Maybe if I could snag a copy of the JMDL cookbook recently mentioned, and we could use those recipes, too. Is that in our library now? I'll have to check. This will be a really fun project. A field day! Love, Patti P., thinking about what I'd like to have for supper _________________________________________________________________ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:28:08 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: Hello! It's Bo Hello Wonderful Caring Joni People! The more I read (the Digests), the more I re-read...I'm convinced...we are a family unique. It's getting impossible to express my sorrow for the suffering that is happening and happening and still happening throughout our planet. Then I feel some solace knowing that we are a community not only of devoted Joni people...I just came up with this 'Joni people'...but a community of aware, compassionate, alive and willing to act people. I can't wrap my mind around all the suffering that's continuing and escalating throughout this planet. And I just don't know what to do. The young woman who participated in all the war on poverty and anti-Viet Nam marches...the activist is very much alive and within me. And I thought the 1960's and 1970's were the decades of the most horror since the second world war! Everyone and everything is beckoning us to DO SOMETHING....how can I eat a meal knowing how millions of people are starving? All the examples I can write have the same ending. But, I can do something. And this is it: I offer...go way out of my way...to offer all kinds of help and comfort to the people I know...sometimes strangers...I try to live my values....I only want to offer solace. I have been lucky enough to find some families who need food...clothing...school supplies...and these items are left "magically" at various front doors. I don't want to be identified. Maintaining dignity of those in need is absolutely what I strive towards. I'm rambling...sorry....I really wanted to write some of my reactions to the Charlie Rose/ Joni interview. I watched every move, every gesture, every glance that Joni may have been making toward a camera..who knows...and I sat back and really thought about Joni and her public life. Joni conducted herself in such a way that any royal family of any country would welcome. It was so clear to me that Joni caught on to Charlie Rose...within a second...yet she spoke so sincerely. She tried with such vigor to answer a series of dumb questions to the best of her ability. She showed a graciousness that was a marvel. I thought, well if Joni was much younger she may have just pulled off the mike and left. I was in awe of her generosity. Here I was seeing polar opposites in motion. Charlie read a bunch of questions that were on the level of a tabloid magazine and it was so obvious that he could care less about being with Joni, having the amazing opportunity to ask Joni questions...oh I could just go on and on and on. But Joni demonstrated such humility and complete sincerity. Of course, I could imagine that Joni was controlling herself by covering her mouth, moving her arms and hands almost like a coat of armor. She hardly smiled. I didn't hear her equating herself to Picasso or Nietzsche..she said "we are kindred" and then Charlie rambled on so Joni was left without the chance of completing her thought...communicating her thought. Charlie Rose didn't react with ANY authenticity to ANYTHING that Joni said. Much of what Joni said just flew over this guy's head. And then I studied Joni's eyes...without any facial movement...without any real eye movement, she spoke a thousand words. Her eyes...they reflected her thoughts...they communicated, to me at least, that what the interview was showing was all the reasons for Joni's disdain of the music business....all the crap that being an icon creates. It was as though she and Charlie were doing a role-play. I want to thank Marion or Jeannie for giving us the link to the interview...I never would have seen it. As I listened to Joni I realized that she was trying to explain her experience with the creative process...how "Bad Dreams" was the first song with lyrics etc. Joni told every listener that you have to live long enough to gain the knowledge that will continuously forms our values and philosophy. I'm so sorry I keep rambling on but I think Joni was at her very authentic best....she was living her values....she was being enormously kind. And Mark, I agree with you so much when you wrote "I guess we need to embrace our differences and embrace each other." I think we do just that within our Digest family. I believe Joni, with her gracious kindness, would agree with you as well. I just remembered the beginning of a poem I wrote when I was 11 years old...funny, what comes to your mind...it was "How can they act like that? Free from guilt, free from despair?" Oh well, thank you for letting me go on and on... You all have my love....I mean it...not just a string of words. Bo - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:57:24 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Woodstock In a message dated 11/18/2007 2:35:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: Earliest recording I have is September 13, 1969 (from Celebration at Big Sur movie). and what a performance it was.... _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-siQaUtcBw_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-siQaUtcBw) rosie in nj ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:25:13 +0000 From: "Mick Kelly" Subject: Backing Tracks Well Shine certainly did something for me. At 52, I've finally taken on a singing teacher to do just that and I dearly want to get some of the Joni I've been yodeling for years, into tune. Backing tracks are the suggested way forward and I have to get some together. I spent most of the day looking at backing track sites, and though I had a fabulous time getting lost in all the possibilities, Joni-wise, I could only come up with Chelsea Morning, Carey and Big Yellow Taxi. But really I'd like, You Dream Flat Tires, Amelia, A Case of You and Last Time I saw Richard as per Both Sides Now and Travelogue. Oh, and Hejira, and The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines, and, and, and, well everything I guess. Can anybody suggest/offer a way through? - -- Friends against HIV in Northern Thailand www.rejoicethailand.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:32:12 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Woodstock I believe Joni says she wrote at least some of the words for Woodstock while watching television coverage of the festival in her hotel room during that New York trip to tape the Dick Cavett show. That may have been where you got the impression from WOHAM that she performed it on Dick Cavett. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Olson" To: "Bastien De Zutter" Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Woodstock >I believe that she performed it live on the Dick Cavett show, just >after > CSNY flew out of the festival to crash her scheduled appearance > (which was > the reason she was advised by David Geffen to NOT go to Woodstock). > > > On 11/18/07, Bastien De Zutter wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I'm trying to find out the first public performance and/or the >> first known >> recording of "Woodstock" by Joni Mitchell. Any input is >> appreciated. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Bastien >> www.SecondHandSongs.com >> -- >> Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehvrt? >> Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:00:51 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Backing Tracks Hi Mick - if I'm understanding you correctly, you're wanting to sing backing vocals on Joni songs? "Song To Sharon" comes to mind. Keep us posted on the progress. If only Joni knew just how many people she has inspired through the years. Perhaps she does. Bob NP: Laura Nyro, "Woman's Blues" - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:32:46 -0800 From: "WATTS, LESLI" Subject: RE: SV: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR oh me too the breadth of it. this is one we learn in my adult english classes. ________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org on behalf of Jerry Notaro Sent: Sun 11/18/2007 7:26 AM To: Marion Leffler Cc: 'Monika Bogdanowicz'; 'Jeannie'; 'Joni people!' Subject: Re: SV: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR Let me chime in. I have always thought Banquet to be Joni's greatest composition, both lyrically and musically. Jery Marion Leffler wrote: > I never skip Banquet either. It's one of Joni's first social commentaries, > I > have never grown tired of it. Cold Blue Steel is also a social commentary > but more creepy, to me anyway. That's the one I tend to skip on FTR. Maybe > that's because I had a friend who became a drug addict, and there was > nothing I could do to help her. > Marion > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika > Bogdanowicz > Skickat: den 18 november 2007 15:28 > Till: Jeannie; Joni people! > Dmne: Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR > > I never skip Banquet! Often, I hit "repeat" after I listen to it.... > -M > > Jeannie wrote: > Hi, rian! > > Oh, yeah, I did forget about the gravy, gristle, cookie, and marrow bone > in > Banquet! > > Thanks for the other food reference in Joni's music. > > I usually skip, 'Banquet,' too, to track #2, 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet > Fire'...unless I'm in a pensive, sort of melancholy type of mood in total > silence, which I rarely get a taste of anymore...'nothing,' really, rian, > anymore. > No time! > > For now, I'm just so happy to have Shine, still playing whenever possible, > morning, noon or night! > > rian, about the movie, 'ROTC,' I've never seen it, nor do I know what the > title's abbreviation, 'ROTC,' stands for. > > I just recently discovered here Joni was in some movie and from I read > here, > the film is not very good. One day I'll try see it. > > I think Joni's simplicity kept her from playing the movie queen role. > > About Jewel, I need to listen to one of her recordings. Maybe you can > recommend one, rian. > > I've seen Jewel on TV and I always wanted to learn more about her other > than > she and her mother lived out of a car, homeless, and no place to go, but > straight forward and she's done a darn good job and for that I commend > her. > That's an incredible feat, to consistently fight for the light, no matter > how dark the present finds one in...and Jewel found the way to let her > little light shine after the dazzling darkness. > > Well, rian, it's been nice talking to you again on this quiet Saturday > night, as Shine plays, as I sit here > outside underneath a beautiful half moon, alone! > > Hey, I'll listen to, 'Banquet!' > > Take Care, > Jeannie > > > > > > > .. > > > > > > rian afriadi wrote: > Jeannie wrote : > The only reference to food that I recall Joni makes in her lyrics > are, > "Winn-Dixie cold cuts > And highway hand me downs," > Oh, I just remembered, > "There was milk and toast and honey > And a bowl of oranges, too > > > Well Jeannie, you forgot to mention a bunch of food in Banquet. Why? Is it > because you got nothing though there's plenty to share? :-) > > Banquet. Hmmm. I don't know why i don't really like that song. Everytime i > listen to my FTR, i always skip that song (even though i admit that song > is > great). Maybe because i don't like the arrangement. But, i found the > rearranged Banquet (found on Refuge of The Road DVD) more interesting. I > never skip that part. > > And talking about ROTR the movie, > what do you think about that? > I actually don't like the show. It's not a concert. It's just Joni, with > her > hair dyed white, with her band playing in a stage with no audiences, but > strangely, you can hear applauses in the end. > > But, I REALLY love the re-arrangements. > It's so interesting to hear 80's version of her 70's tunes. > Specially, Banquet and ROTR. With that new arrangements, those 2 song > would > perfectly fit WTRF the album. > > And 1 more thing: > I found white-haired Joni so sexy. > > Rian. > NP. Three great stimulants > PS. I didn't reread above writing, so you may find some grammar error > there. > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See > how. > > > > nj > > ' > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:40:01 -0800 From: "WATTS, LESLI" Subject: joni on charlie rose my husband and i watched and he said: is she nervous?" sure ya bettcha, why not i said. i have rarely seen he so ill at ease. i wondered, could this have been filmed in the morning? with joni being such a renowned night owl that could explain a bit. lesli ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:44:18 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Pioneers... past themselves >> Up a sycamore looking through the leaves at Joni, > ET Joni = Jesus? Interesting concept but if I was Joni I wouldn't want to be held up to such high standards. Part of being an artist is always striving to become better, to hone your craft and delve deeper into the muse, dance with the demon, art. If you embody Jesus, there's not a whole lot more you can hope to achieve. Plus, I have just a little trouble with the image of a smoking Jesus. Although I could see him possibly getting stoned. Victor<< Good one Victor! But Jesus expects us all to live up to Gods high standard (like Bono & Hana) to do "greater works" urged the Wayshower. Joni is moving mountains all by herself!!! BTW heaven definitely has a smoking section or it would be hell...... ET 'Shine on mass destruction in some God's name! Shine on the pioneers / those seekers of mental health Craving simplicity / they traveled inward / past themselves... May all their little lights shine' ~J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:08:06 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: One of the boys >>Oh, I remember. He was talking about how he didn't like seeing women onstage, how he hates to see them up these whoring themselves. So he was asked, "Well, what about Joni Mitchell?" And he says something like "She's not really a woman. Joni's kind of like a man." [laughs]<< I couldn't quite figure out who posted this but I feel the need to make a clarification before some urban myth results... ;~) Dylan said that Joni was "one of the boys." HUGE difference! & U GO Hillary!!! ET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:35:55 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Hello! It's Bo >>Hello Wonderful Caring Joni People! The more I read (the Digests), the more I re-read...I'm convinced...we are a family unique. It's getting impossible to express my sorrow for the suffering that is happening and happening and still happening throughout our planet. Then I feel some solace knowing that we are a community not only of devoted Joni people...I just came up with this 'Joni people'...but a community of aware, compassionate, alive and willing to act people........<< I feel exactly the same way Bo! It is SO good to have a little place to share some sanity in our increasingly crazy world. Thank you Les & the JMDL for providing such an awesome forum to praise and vent!!! More later..... ET ...Shine on the pioneers / those seekers of mental health... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #368 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)