From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #366 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 17 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 366 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Tavis Video ["Marian Russell" ] Re: james taylor on tavis ["Marian Russell" ] Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention ["Marian Russell" ] Joni on Charlie [] Re: Retro Covers, Volume 20 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Tavis Video [Bob Muller ] Re: Retro Covers, Volume 20 [Bob Muller ] [none] [Michel BYRNE ] Joni & Charlie Rose [Bob Muller ] Re: Tavis Video ["Ahmed Shoukry" ] Re: Tavis Video [Bob Muller ] Re: From Bo [SweetbirdUR@aol.com] re: Joni on Charlie Rose [seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: Tavis Smiley transcript and i love chaka..., and high coups [voxpopul] Joni on Charlie Rose ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention [Michael Paz ] Charlie Rose URL ["Barbara Stewart" ] Joni and Jewel, then Stevie Wonder, now sjc? [Patti Parlette ] SV: Rose Blows... ["Marion Leffler" ] SV: VLJC Joni mention... ["Marion Leffler" ] re: Joni on Charlie Rose [c Karma ] FW: Rose Blows... ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR [rian afriadi ] Joni dream [Patti Parlette ] re: Joni on Charlie Rose [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: SV: Rose Blows... [Monika Bogdanowicz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:01:51 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Tavis Video Try this, Ahmed: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/video/ (click on the photo of Joni) Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ahmed Shoukry" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:27 AM Subject: Tavis Video > Hey all, > > I was just wondering if it is possible for anyone to upload a video of the > interview, I'm afraid we don't get PBS in Egypt... > > And Shine is just amazing ... :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:07:11 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: james taylor on tavis Kate, the page of the same link that I sent to Ahmed has a link for the extended interview with James Taylor! If you click on the Joni picture, the JT extended interview link is on the left. I don't know how long it will be there. I am starting to watch it now. I think the video of Joni there is only the 2 minute one, unfortunately. http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/video/ Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:28 AM Subject: james taylor on tavis > Another WOW. I've always loved James self effacing sense of humor but > this > time he went way deep. What a beautiful man, mind, soul. He's always > been > one of the best interviews I've seen, this time taking it to a really > incredible place. I would love to send this to someone who has always > loved > JT who I think will be inspired by this interview. If anyone finds a > link, > please let me know. Many thanks, Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:58:40 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention If only I could!! You must let us all know what you think of it, Michael. Which Joni song are you planning to try first??? Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Paz" To: "Marian Russell" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention > You know I feel them same way Marian. Who wants to tune tune tune when > you can play play play. Come on over next week and try out my new VG-99. > > Love > > Pa > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Nov 14, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Marian Russell wrote: > > from the article: > > <<'But the announcement has already created a backlash among some, who > call it "lazy" and predict the fine art of guitar tuning by trained > ears could be lost if the technology spreads.'>> > > What rubbish! People who can tune things will still be able to tune > things and probably wouldn't need a guitar like this anyway, except > that, like the VG-8, it could enable them to switch from one tuning to > another more quickly than if they had to do manually. From the little > promotional video that Mark sent a link to earlier, however, you still > have to push buttons and look at lights, so the VG-8 is still faster - > just not as compact as having it all inside the guitar - and more > versatile - the VG-8 has more sounds and nearly infinite tuning > possibilities with a range of +24 and -24 half tones away from > standard tuning. > > Marian > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:23 PM > Subject: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention > > >> http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_16738.aspx >> >> Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:24:54 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose I didn't get to see this show but will see if I can watch it online. I've not been very impressed with CR's interviewing skills as he seems to wrapped up in his own self & expressing his own knowledge rather than showing an interest in his guest. I never received the digest $462 where this may have been discussed so if anyone can forward it to me, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks, Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:03:24 -0800 From: Subject: Joni on Charlie Just watched the upload on the Charlie Rose website and it is luckily just the Joni segment. I thought it was short and sweet and that maybe the shortness of the interview had more to do with Joni's choice than Charlie's. I had this funny feeling that maybe she would not agree to go longer than that without a cigarette! Her hand wringing also seemed to perhaps be nicotine deprivation induced ;-) Also am starting to think Joni may be giving her interviewers a pre-set list of approved questions and that is why the answers so often seem the same. It's a common practice for celebs, politicians (cough) and others when agreeing to being interviewed or on a talk show. So I don't blame Charlie - but would love to see him do a whole hour with her somewhere where she could, ahem, be more herself ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:03:57 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Retro Covers, Volume 20 Thanks again for the catch up, Bob. I'm starting to warm to the jazz instrumental covers of Joni's songs now since Herbie's album. River - The Joni Letters has been on high rotation in my CD player and I'm developing an ear for instrumental interpretations. I am also very impressed by Ian Shaw. I wasn't aware of this one (Furry Sings The Blues). I'm fast becoming a fan of his now too. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:06:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Tavis Video Ahmed, here's 10 minutes' worth. Very enjoyable, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y16QSarjptA Glad you're enjoying Shine too - my wife's uncle is in town for the weekend and we were visiting last night with him and talking about new films & movies, sports and the like (Patti, I was thinking about you as I was watching Memphis hand it to your Huskies - they tried to keep it going there for awhile). Anyway, he's a big jazz fan and likes Joni too, I should have thought to bring Herbie for him to enjoy. I'll bet he buys it though after I told him about it. I was also talking Shine up, but that didn't excite him much because even though he likes her, he was really put off by T'log. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Golden Slumbers" - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:16:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Retro Covers, Volume 20 Thanks Mark - after I posted that #20 was all instrumentals I saw the Cedar Walton/Ian Shaw track and had a Homer Simpson "D'oh!" moment, but it's definitely jazz. This one is NOT on his tribute CD, it was off an earlier CD that he did with Walton. I've always dug him, he tries to bring something fresh to all the Joni songs he tackles. Bob NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "The EMployment Pages" - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:39:11 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: [none] Lesli, of course you're right! It's Tina sings on Herbie's album. Between hearing the interview and getting down to mail my mind swapped R&B singers, knowing J's friendship with Chaka. Apologies, and thanks for the correction! M _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:56:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni & Charlie Rose Just watched the archived interview, I don't see what the fuss is about, I liked it just fine. Charlie, like Tavis, like almost everyone who interviews her (David Dye would be a big exception) doesn't have the depth of knowledge that we do but he did seem to have a sincere interest, and he was courteous and all that. Joni said some of the same ol' same ol' but there was some new data there too. Did anyone except me notice that she erroneously stated that the newer BSN was from T'log? She definitely looked great and seemed upbeat. Bob NP: Jonatha Brooke, "Secrets & Lies" - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:06:59 +0200 From: "Ahmed Shoukry" Subject: Re: Tavis Video Hey Bob, many thanks for this. Do you have any idea if the full show is available online? thanks... Ps, i love night of the iguana. Sounds like nothing else in the music biz... On 11/17/07, Bob Muller wrote: > Ahmed, here's 10 minutes' worth. Very enjoyable, > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y16QSarjptA > > Glad you're enjoying Shine too - my wife's uncle is in town for the weekend > and we were visiting last night with him and talking about new films & > movies, sports and the like (Patti, I was thinking about you as I was > watching Memphis hand it to your Huskies - they tried to keep it going there > for awhile). > > Anyway, he's a big jazz fan and likes Joni too, I should have thought to > bring Herbie for him to enjoy. I'll bet he buys it though after I told him > about it. I was also talking Shine up, but that didn't excite him much > because even though he likes her, he was really put off by T'log. > > Bob > > NP: The Beatles, "Golden Slumbers" > > > --------------------------------- > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. - -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Tavis Video Well, suffice to say that if I knew of a link that gave you the whole show I would have sent that one instead. It looks like, for now, the choices we have are the 2-minute & 10-minute ones. I thought it was pretty cool too and look forward to seeing the whole thing. NOTI is definitely one of "Shine-ing Stars" too. Bob NP: Laura Nyro, "Art of Love" - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:22:01 EST From: SweetbirdUR@aol.com Subject: Re: From Bo H E Y O Y O Y L O L E B H O Great to hear from you!!! Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:38:54 -0500 From: seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: re: Joni on Charlie Rose Thanks for posting this link! http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/11/15/2/a-conversation-with-musician-joni-mitchell ? It is a shame that Charlie Rose gave such a relatively shallow interview with one of the great artists of our time, or of any time. It started off ok, but as soon as she started going into the songs on the new album, he cut her off, and went into the ballet, as if he were either not following her, or more obviously, wasn't familiar with the material, or what she had been doing in the the last decade. It has been 7 years since she put out a recording, not 10 - although it is true that there has not been any original material in 10 years. The last 2 recordings before Shine?were major artistic achievements, and I found it somewhat strange that the musical clips that were shown were from 37 years ago, and the most recent from what looked like 1983...nearly a quarter of a century ago. Joni has never stopped creating. For anyone that understands Jazz and the standards that she recorded on BSN, Joni is not merely a folkie/rock and roll performer who did an disc of American Popular Song, but was a unique?interpreter of this type of music, which very few are capable of doing. An hour could have been spent on that aspect of her artistry alone. While he did bring up the Herbie Hancock album, why would one not focus on her collaborations through the years with Wayne Shorter, who is one of the most brilliant artists of our time, nor follow up on her meeting Miles Davis. So many think of Joni as merely a?"folk/rock" singer, which is insulting to a woman?who has created so much beyond that.?Anyhow, enough with my bitching. Joni looks absolutely fantatsic, and it was great to see her. ? Scott ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:43:56 -0500 From: voxpopular@aol.com Subject: Re: Tavis Smiley transcript and i love chaka..., and high coups No, Lesli, it's not your head cold, and your ears have not deceived you.B Joni clearly says, "Tina sings. Oh, I love Tina," pretty likely referring to, since she and Tavis were discussing Herbie Hancock, "Edith And The Kingpin," which Tina TurnerB sings on Herbie's "River." As for "high coup," sure Tavis knows what haiku are... The transcriber?B Not so certain.B ;) bKC From: WATTS, LESLI Sent: Fri 11/16/2007 12:56 PM To: Michel BYRNE Subject: RE: Tavis Smiley transcript and i love chaka.... and high coups funny.. we all hear different things when joni speaks. i thought she said: tina, i love tina". but then again i've been battling a head cold. heart is singing but ears are ringing in california. and haiku....i think he knew exactly what a haiku was. Tavis: - that's a long high coup (laughter). Mitchell: (Laughter) Tavis: Oxymoronic, I know. - -----Original Message----- From: WATTS, LESLI To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 1:17 pm Subject: FW: Tavis Smiley transcript and i love chaka..., and high coups funny.. we all hear different things when joni speaks. i thought she said: tina, i love tina". but then again i've been battling a head cold. heart is singing but ears are ringing in california. and haiku....i think he knew exactly what a haiku was. Tavis: - that's a long high coup (laughter). Mitchell: (Laughter) Tavis: Oxymoronic, I know. joni must have liked him quite a bit. a totally reliable source said that tavis and a few of his entourage had dinner at joni's the day after the show. wow! lesli . From: owner-joni@smoe.org on behalf of Michel BYRNE Sent: Fri 11/16/2007 6:14 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Tavis Smiley transcript and Dancin Clown Thanks to Marianne for correcting the funny misreading in the transcript - 'high coup' for 'haiku'. What's omitted in the transcript too is Joni exclaiming 'And Chaka! I love Chaka!' when discussing the Herbie Hancock album - - it's sort of lost in the exchange and Tavis didn't pick up on it. _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:02:08 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Joni on Charlie Rose Finally watched the video and I must say, I agree with the people who didn't like it. Joni seemed far from relaxed, her speech was not as fluent as usual, she seemed tense and even nervous to me. Charlie Rose interrupted her all the time, never let her finish her line of thought and didn't seem that interested. I felt there were some bad vibrations between the two, they just didn't hit it off. So watching this I had an uneasy feeling in my stomach, the kind you get when you expect something embarrassing to happen any minute, like when you listen to someone who is about to make a fool of him/herself. Not good! Sorry it went down that way. It's not every day we get to watch Joni on tv or video, so yes, I am disappointed, too. Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:08:52 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention You know me. It will probably be Song For Sharon. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Nov 17, 2007, at 1:58 AM, Marian Russell wrote: If only I could!! You must let us all know what you think of it, Michael. Which Joni song are you planning to try first??? Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Paz" To: "Marian Russell" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention > You know I feel them same way Marian. Who wants to tune tune tune when > you can play play play. Come on over next week and try out my new > VG-99. > > Love > > Pa > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Nov 14, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Marian Russell wrote: > > from the article: > > <<'But the announcement has already created a backlash among some, who > call it "lazy" and predict the fine art of guitar tuning by trained > ears could be lost if the technology spreads.'>> > > What rubbish! People who can tune things will still be able to tune > things and probably wouldn't need a guitar like this anyway, except > that, like the VG-8, it could enable them to switch from one tuning to > another more quickly than if they had to do manually. From the little > promotional video that Mark sent a link to earlier, however, you still > have to push buttons and look at lights, so the VG-8 is still faster - > just not as compact as having it all inside the guitar - and more > versatile - the VG-8 has more sounds and nearly infinite tuning > possibilities with a range of +24 and -24 half tones away from > standard tuning. > > Marian > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:23 PM > Subject: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention > > >> http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_16738.aspx >> >> Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:15:51 -0800 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: JT on Tavis links (and Joni too) Hi Kate, More unaired footage even, as well as the 26 minute interview is here: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200711/20071116.html and while we're at it, looks like only a bit of video, (but a really *good* bit!) and the entire audio from the Joni Tavis interview is here: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200711/20071109.html Cheers! ~Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:48:54 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Rose Blows... So - I've never watched Charlie before - and boy did I think that sucked. He kept cutting her off - at one point going as far as to say "talk about." - - quickly steering her onto the next point he wanted covered as opposed to listening to what she had to say. Something else crossed my mind here though - and my apologies if it's already been brought up - but Charlie didn't let Joni smoke. Which as far as I can tell is why she's endlessly wringing her hands. it may also be why her interview was shorter and the fall TV blather was extended. "Well, Charlie - if she can smoke she'll do a full 40 minutes." "Nope, she can't - sorry, that's just our policy." "Okay - 15 minutes maximum then." Furthermore, her thinking and delivery aren't as fluid as they normally are.without her coping herb, she runs into a little trouble 'spitting it out'. Joni looks good to me - but I think radiant and gorgoeus is a little far flung. She looks over-blonde, over-tanned and over-tucked. And yes, for a woman as beautiful as she is at the base, it's striking. Her face is becoming more acorn-like - I'm having trouble getting used to it. I wish they could blow her hair and out and spray it a little - more body. It'd frame her face better. make her look even healthier. Travis and CBS were revelations - short, and yet both interviews came across with so much more information. And the way Rose kept looking at the camera coupled with the smug swagger in his voice. anyone got a grenade? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:14:46 -0500 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Charlie Rose URL I didn't see a link posted for the Charlie Rose interview. (But I may have skimmed and missed it.) No worry! You can all watch it online at http://www.charlierose.com/home About 20 min. B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:32:12 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni and Jewel, then Stevie Wonder, now sjc? All of this talk about Jewel-light now.... I just came upon a little Jewel in my Saturday newspaper. "Singer/songwriter Jewel now lives on a ranch in Texas, but as a teen she spent a year being homeless. And that's why she agreed to be a spokeswoman for National Homeless Youth Awareness Month. In the year she spent living in a van, which she bought by borrowing $1,000 from a friend, it was the "small acts of kindness" that got her through each day, she says. "That's why I put it in one of my songs, 'Hands': 'In the end, only kindness matters.' " Jewel, 33, wants to draw attention to the "heroic people" who are helping kids at the street level and to let homeless youth know that "they're not forgotten."" (Lorrie Lynch, USA Weekend.com) There's wide world of noble causes, and it's nice that Jewel found one. I've always loved that lyric line: "In the end, only kindness matters." (Like the Beatles': "And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make.") With love and kind regards, Patti P. P.S. Rian, thanks for the Jewel words on Joni. Stevie Wonder introduced them? Wow! I saw him last Wednesday and he was WONDERful! Truly. The venue was bad (you'd never catch Muller in that big arena!) and the sound not so great, but it was just awesome to be in his presence. He started 45 minutes late and the natives were getting restless, but when he finally came out it was magic and well-worth the wait. He said he had not been feeling well, but that now "it's under control" and he went on to talk a bit. (Some asshole on my right yelled out: "Just SING, will ya?" but thankfully I don't think Stevie heard him.) He told us about "May 31, 2006 -- the saddest day of my life. The day my mother died" and went on to say he was now touring because she told him to get up off his ass and start singing again. He was very endearing. Very real. He then went on to play for 2 1/2 hours non-stop and it was one big interactive party with the crowd. I know he got MY fists pumping when he was *screaming* out "I don't BELIEVE IT!" as he shone his little light on some problems in the world, pleading for peace and justice and to end the war and begging the crowd to do something about the state of the world. Here is a good review for anyone interested: http://www.courant.com/entertainment/music/hc-wonderrev.artnov16,0,70662.story _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:07:07 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: VLJC Joni mention... Well I've finally gotten around to reading Pattie Boyd's semi autobiography about her relationships with George Harrison and Eric Clapton (I'm just on page 109 but will surely be done by the end of the weekend). It took quite a while to get it from the library as there were over a hundred holds on it! Not to mention I had a few other books to get through. Anyway, there was a Joni mention in it. Nothing so fantastic or enlightening but still a little mention. Pattie Boyd and George Harrison rented a place in L.A. and Pattie met Joni while George was out busy. She said while they were in L.A. they had met a lot of "fantastic people." Following that line, she said Joni Mitchell came over one day and invited her to hang out. She said she was great fun and they went to a recording studio of a friend's of hers and a few musicians showed up and they played. Later on she met David Crosby. That's it. Nothing big or grand or anything like that. -Monika - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:39:52 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Rose Blows... Well, I don't know about the smoking - a smoker can actually go without for an hour or so without fidgeting or losing her nerve, so I don't really think that's why Joni appeared tense. (I have been a smoker so I can sympathize). My guess is she just didn't feel comfortable with Charlie. And it made me sad to see Joni let herself be reduced by a smug fellow who used all the classic male strategies to diminish her: cutting her off, displaying disinterest, really letting her know who was in charge here. I wonder how Joni felt after the interview was finished... About her looks - she looked great to me for a 64-year-old woman! Her make-up and hairdo was discrete; Joni would look strange to me with "teased up kind of hair". The colour could be more natural, I agree with you on that one. And her face becoming acorn-like? What do you mean? (Really just asking). Anyway, so what if her age is showing? It's as natural as the weather... Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Christopher Treacy Skickat: den 17 november 2007 18:49 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Rose Blows... So - I've never watched Charlie before - and boy did I think that sucked. He kept cutting her off - at one point going as far as to say "talk about." - - quickly steering her onto the next point he wanted covered as opposed to listening to what she had to say. Something else crossed my mind here though - and my apologies if it's already been brought up - but Charlie didn't let Joni smoke. Which as far as I can tell is why she's endlessly wringing her hands. it may also be why her interview was shorter and the fall TV blather was extended. "Well, Charlie - if she can smoke she'll do a full 40 minutes." "Nope, she can't - sorry, that's just our policy." "Okay - 15 minutes maximum then." Furthermore, her thinking and delivery aren't as fluid as they normally are.without her coping herb, she runs into a little trouble 'spitting it out'. Joni looks good to me - but I think radiant and gorgoeus is a little far flung. She looks over-blonde, over-tanned and over-tucked. And yes, for a woman as beautiful as she is at the base, it's striking. Her face is becoming more acorn-like - I'm having trouble getting used to it. I wish they could blow her hair and out and spray it a little - more body. It'd frame her face better. make her look even healthier. Travis and CBS were revelations - short, and yet both interviews came across with so much more information. And the way Rose kept looking at the camera coupled with the smug swagger in his voice. anyone got a grenade? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:45:10 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: VLJC Joni mention... Thanks for the information, Monika! Speaking of autobiographies, has anybody read the latest Cynthia Lennon autobiography, "John"? She portrays John Lennon as a rather lousy father to Julian and blames it on Yoko. No Joni mention though, sorry. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 17 november 2007 23:07 Till: Joni people! Dmne: VLJC Joni mention... Well I've finally gotten around to reading Pattie Boyd's semi autobiography about her relationships with George Harrison and Eric Clapton (I'm just on page 109 but will surely be done by the end of the weekend). It took quite a while to get it from the library as there were over a hundred holds on it! Not to mention I had a few other books to get through. Anyway, there was a Joni mention in it. Nothing so fantastic or enlightening but still a little mention. Pattie Boyd and George Harrison rented a place in L.A. and Pattie met Joni while George was out busy. She said while they were in L.A. they had met a lot of "fantastic people." Following that line, she said Joni Mitchell came over one day and invited her to hang out. She said she was great fun and they went to a recording studio of a friend's of hers and a few musicians showed up and they played. Later on she met David Crosby. That's it. Nothing big or grand or anything like that. -Monika - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:06:09 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Joni on Charlie Rose I was gonna keep my mouth shut on this one but the finger is itching to press send. For me, two words: Missed Opportunity. She seemed very, very nervous. I thought Rose was very happy to have her on the show. Some here have said they thought he was dis-connected and dis-interested, but I dis-agree. He does not pander to any of his guests. Rose is listed as an executive editor of the shot, but something seemed off. It seemed at times like he was checking off boxes as he went through a list of "approved things to talk to Joni about." She professes to deplore the soundbite nature of interviews but largely wound up giving the same material out to every interviewer during this set. Had she not run amuck just getting past the first two tracks of "Shine", there might have been time to get to some of the meatier motivations behind "The Fiddle and the Drum" and "Green Flag Song." If she's going to use an important venue like Charlie Rose properly, she needs to channel Hana and focus her message. Rose is one of a handful of respected journalists to share weighty material with. For someone who is capable of such surgical editing in her songwriting and poetry, it amazes me that in conversation she just can't seem not to ramble. She's a personable, articulate genius who too easily allows herself to lose her balance. There, now I sound just as cranky as she sometimes does. CC _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:37:20 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: FW: Rose Blows... - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Treacy [mailto:whizzboom@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:36 PM To: 'Marion Leffler' Subject: RE: Rose Blows... Having smoked from 15-30, I can also vouch for that comment. But Joni is a chain smoker - to the point where she lights up on stage during her encore. I believe this is the first time I've seen her w/o a smoke in...gosh, as long as I can remember. She's always gotten them all to let her break the rules - but not this time. Maybe not so much her face (acorn-like) as the shape of her head... but that aside, I guess I just meant a little body in the hair - like in the Two Grey Rooms and Nothing Can Be Done videos, or even her 'hollywood hair' in PWWAM - - she looked absolutely drop dead gorgeous there. Overall I'd agree - Joni looks good. I just thought the contrast between her hair (and it's flatness) and the bronze of her skin read a little oddly on TV. No biggie - Joni will always be the belle of the ball to me...even when she's 80. - -----Original Message----- From: Marion Leffler [mailto:marionleffler@telia.com] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:40 PM To: 'Christopher Treacy'; joni@smoe.org Subject: SV: Rose Blows... Well, I don't know about the smoking - a smoker can actually go without for an hour or so without fidgeting or losing her nerve, so I don't really think that's why Joni appeared tense. (I have been a smoker so I can sympathize). My guess is she just didn't feel comfortable with Charlie. And it made me sad to see Joni let herself be reduced by a smug fellow who used all the classic male strategies to diminish her: cutting her off, displaying disinterest, really letting her know who was in charge here. I wonder how Joni felt after the interview was finished... About her looks - she looked great to me for a 64-year-old woman! Her make-up and hairdo was discrete; Joni would look strange to me with "teased up kind of hair". The colour could be more natural, I agree with you on that one. And her face becoming acorn-like? What do you mean? (Really just asking). Anyway, so what if her age is showing? It's as natural as the weather... Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Christopher Treacy Skickat: den 17 november 2007 18:49 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Rose Blows... So - I've never watched Charlie before - and boy did I think that sucked. He kept cutting her off - at one point going as far as to say "talk about." - - quickly steering her onto the next point he wanted covered as opposed to listening to what she had to say. Something else crossed my mind here though - and my apologies if it's already been brought up - but Charlie didn't let Joni smoke. Which as far as I can tell is why she's endlessly wringing her hands. it may also be why her interview was shorter and the fall TV blather was extended. "Well, Charlie - if she can smoke she'll do a full 40 minutes." "Nope, she can't - sorry, that's just our policy." "Okay - 15 minutes maximum then." Furthermore, her thinking and delivery aren't as fluid as they normally are.without her coping herb, she runs into a little trouble 'spitting it out'. Joni looks good to me - but I think radiant and gorgoeus is a little far flung. She looks over-blonde, over-tanned and over-tucked. And yes, for a woman as beautiful as she is at the base, it's striking. Her face is becoming more acorn-like - I'm having trouble getting used to it. I wish they could blow her hair and out and spray it a little - more body. It'd frame her face better. make her look even healthier. Travis and CBS were revelations - short, and yet both interviews came across with so much more information. And the way Rose kept looking at the camera coupled with the smug swagger in his voice. anyone got a grenade? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:14:58 -0800 (PST) From: rian afriadi Subject: Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR Jeannie wrote : The only reference to food that I recall Joni makes in her lyrics are, "Winn-Dixie cold cuts And highway hand me downs," Oh, I just remembered, "There was milk and toast and honey And a bowl of oranges, too Well Jeannie, you forgot to mention a bunch of food in Banquet. Why? Is it because you got nothing though there's plenty to share? :-) Banquet. Hmmm. I don't know why i don't really like that song. Everytime i listen to my FTR, i always skip that song (even though i admit that song is great). Maybe because i don't like the arrangement. But, i found the rearranged Banquet (found on Refuge of The Road DVD) more interesting. I never skip that part. And talking about ROTR the movie, what do you think about that? I actually don't like the show. It's not a concert. It's just Joni, with her hair dyed white, with her band playing in a stage with no audiences, but strangely, you can hear applauses in the end. But, I REALLY love the re-arrangements. It's so interesting to hear 80's version of her 70's tunes. Specially, Banquet and ROTR. With that new arrangements, those 2 song would perfectly fit WTRF the album. And 1 more thing: I found white-haired Joni so sexy. Rian. NP. Three great stimulants PS. I didn't reread above writing, so you may find some grammar error there. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:20:51 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Charlie Rose interview transcript on JM.com http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1801 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:42:07 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: SV: VLJC Joni mention... Hmm, I haven't read it but I bet it would be interesting. It's no surprise she portrays John as a lousy father to Julian. He was one! I love John Lennon but even at his own admission he had said he wasn't around for Julian. I find it odd that she blames Yoko for that. Julian was around a few years before Yoko even came around. It's funny she doesn't place the blame where it belongs--on John and if you really need to spread out the blame, place some on the Beatles and all their success. I think John felt really guilty about the whole Julian situation and tried to do better the second time around--with Sean. Too bad he and Julian never really, fully patched things up. -Monika Marion Leffler wrote: Thanks for the information, Monika! Speaking of autobiographies, has anybody read the latest Cynthia Lennon autobiography, "John"? She portrays John Lennon as a rather lousy father to Julian and blames it on Yoko. No Joni mention though, sorry. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 17 november 2007 23:07 Till: Joni people! Dmne: VLJC Joni mention... Well I've finally gotten around to reading Pattie Boyd's semi autobiography about her relationships with George Harrison and Eric Clapton (I'm just on page 109 but will surely be done by the end of the weekend). It took quite a while to get it from the library as there were over a hundred holds on it! Not to mention I had a few other books to get through. Anyway, there was a Joni mention in it. Nothing so fantastic or enlightening but still a little mention. Pattie Boyd and George Harrison rented a place in L.A. and Pattie met Joni while George was out busy. She said while they were in L.A. they had met a lot of "fantastic people." Following that line, she said Joni Mitchell came over one day and invited her to hang out. She said she was great fun and they went to a recording studio of a friend's of hers and a few musicians showed up and they played. Later on she met David Crosby. That's it. Nothing big or grand or anything like that. - -Monika - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 02:44:29 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni dream "All in a dream, all in a dream", Marian of Austria (not Marion of Sweden, but hello Marion!) wrote: We were together - she looked younger than she looks now and her voice was not as deep as in her recent interviews. We were going to play music together, and I was waiting for her to get her guitar. She seemed happy - was smiling. Then the scene changed, she was on my right and we were walking towards this huge industrial area that included nuclear power plant towers and the space shuttle horizontal to the ground on some kind of large block and huge buildings that looked like warehouses and manufacturing plants with smoke chimneys and there was concrete everywhere and we said we didn't want to go in that direction and then the scene changed and I couldn't see those things anymore - there were wooden fences and some greenery and some old stonework and we went together into a bookstore and she was in front of me and she asked me what I believe in, and I said something like "well probably Buddhism is closest to what I believe" and I could see some little statues of Buddha on a shelf and we were looking at them and there were some candles burning. Then I woke up. **** Cool dream, Marian! Thanks for sharing. By candle light, by jewel light, if only you hadn't woken up, she would have stayed! Did you grab at the air because there's nothing there? Ah, her evasiveness stings when you wake up. I hate that! I have had many Joni dreams. (Go figure.) One of the most memorable was when our UConn Huskies won the National Championship in basketball in 2004. Not just one, but BOTH sides now: the mens' AND the women's teams (a first in NCAA history) (because you know two championships are better than one) within a span of two days. Our tiny little state was delirious, and our campus was the epicenter of that dizzy dancing way you feel. I dreamed that there was a big parade on campus, and I was out there rah rah rah hooray for our side for our teams, when suddenly Joni appeared on a noisy corner, in front of our Jorgensen Center for the Performing Arts. In my dream, I was screaming at all the students and the marching bands and the floats: "Wait a minute! Stop! Joni Mitchell is here!" Nobody stopped to hear me, so Joni took my hand into her impossibly gentle hand (she had blood red fingernails in the dream) and we started to walk away from the parade towards the Jorgensen Center. She was very loving and kind. Then I woke up. Merde! I missed a private concert with Joni! I had another Joni dream just the other night, after the Charlie Rose show. This one was more nebulous, but I was in a big house with lots of pretty people there, reading Rolling Stone, reading Vogue, when I got a note on lilac sprays from a young girl I have not seen in over 30 years. Her name is Louise, and she was the little sister of my brother's best friend in high school. The note said: "Patti and Joni! We have got to get ourselves back to the garden!" (I now remember Louise as a very sweet girl, who loved Joni. She was/is about 5 years younger that me. I heard, after the fact, that she "snuck" into my ceremony of the bells and lace in 1977. I guess it has always haunted me that I didn't invite her to the whole shebang...I just didn't know how much she wanted to come. I wonder where she is now, that sweet Cherokee Louise. I should look her up. Her name is Louie Santry. Any Jonibody know her?) In the dream, we were desperately seeking Joni and Joni people. I had some papers in my hand with jmdl addresses on them but they were blurred and hard to read. And then I woke up. Joni dreams are good in the great plan! Wishing you all good Joni dreams (especially that the wars are done), Patti P. P.S. Thanks for thinking of me during the Husky game last night, Musik Meister. I am ashamed to say that I have almost forgotten about Husky Hoops during all this Joni hoopla! Thanks for getting me back on the clickety clack. _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:49:19 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: re: Joni on Charlie Rose I don't think Joni sounded cranky during the interview at all. I can agree with you on one thing though. It did seem like CR was just crossing off his list of questions. Honestly, I'd rather he and Joni only talk about ONE or TWO matters in depth than trying to get as many questions in as possible just for the sake of doing so. Joni's naturally a talker. What's wrong with that? She's got a lot to say and I think those thoughts are channeled into her songs. I'm grateful for that. Personally, I think Joni is a great interviewee(Is that even a real word? I don't know but I'm using it anyway). She has a lot to say and there is never much silence. To say it more precisely, you're never bored. I won't name any names but it's such a drag when you see a boring interview due to the fact that the celebrity is really very somber him or herself. That's of course when a good interviewer is needed to coax them out of their shell. I've noticed (once again, no names) many actors (after watching their interviews) are much engaging in their roles than in person.... -Monika c Karma wrote: I was gonna keep my mouth shut on this one but the finger is itching to press send. For me, two words: Missed Opportunity. She seemed very, very nervous. I thought Rose was very happy to have her on the show. Some here have said they thought he was dis-connected and dis-interested, but I dis-agree. He does not pander to any of his guests. Rose is listed as an executive editor of the shot, but something seemed off. It seemed at times like he was checking off boxes as he went through a list of "approved things to talk to Joni about." She professes to deplore the soundbite nature of interviews but largely wound up giving the same material out to every interviewer during this set. Had she not run amuck just getting past the first two tracks of "Shine", there might have been time to get to some of the meatier motivations behind "The Fiddle and the Drum" and "Green Flag Song." If she's going to use an important venue like Charlie Rose properly, she needs to channel Hana and focus her message. Rose is one of a handful of respected journalists to share weighty material with. For someone who is capable of such surgical editing in her songwriting and poetry, it amazes me that in conversation she just can't seem not to ramble. She's a personable, articulate genius who too easily allows herself to lose her balance. There, now I sound just as cranky as she sometimes does. 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And it made me sad to see Joni let herself be reduced by a smug fellow who used all the classic male strategies to diminish her: cutting her off, displaying disinterest, really letting her know who was in charge here. I wonder how Joni felt after the interview was finished... About her looks - she looked great to me for a 64-year-old woman! Her make-up and hairdo was discrete; Joni would look strange to me with "teased up kind of hair". The colour could be more natural, I agree with you on that one. And her face becoming acorn-like? What do you mean? (Really just asking). Anyway, so what if her age is showing? It's as natural as the weather... Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Christopher Treacy Skickat: den 17 november 2007 18:49 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Rose Blows... So - I've never watched Charlie before - and boy did I think that sucked. He kept cutting her off - at one point going as far as to say "talk about." - - quickly steering her onto the next point he wanted covered as opposed to listening to what she had to say. Something else crossed my mind here though - and my apologies if it's already been brought up - but Charlie didn't let Joni smoke. Which as far as I can tell is why she's endlessly wringing her hands. it may also be why her interview was shorter and the fall TV blather was extended. "Well, Charlie - if she can smoke she'll do a full 40 minutes." "Nope, she can't - sorry, that's just our policy." "Okay - 15 minutes maximum then." Furthermore, her thinking and delivery aren't as fluid as they normally are.without her coping herb, she runs into a little trouble 'spitting it out'. Joni looks good to me - but I think radiant and gorgoeus is a little far flung. She looks over-blonde, over-tanned and over-tucked. And yes, for a woman as beautiful as she is at the base, it's striking. Her face is becoming more acorn-like - I'm having trouble getting used to it. I wish they could blow her hair and out and spray it a little - more body. It'd frame her face better. make her look even healthier. Travis and CBS were revelations - short, and yet both interviews came across with so much more information. And the way Rose kept looking at the camera coupled with the smug swagger in his voice. anyone got a grenade? - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #366 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)