From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #365 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 17 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 365 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Craving simplicity [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni on Charlie Rose [Michael Flaherty ] Retro Covers, Volume 20 [Bob Muller ] The Emergence of Joni Mitchell on NPR [Doug ] Re: Joni on Charlie Rose [Doug ] Re: Joni on Charlie Rose ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Joni on Charlie Rose [Jeannie ] Re: The Emergence of Joni Mitchell on NPR ["Randy Remote" ] Joni dream ["Marian Russell" ] Re: Joni dream [Michael Paz ] james taylor on tavis ["Kate Bennett" ] Tavis Video ["Ahmed Shoukry" ] Re: Joni and Jewel ["Marian Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:20:24 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Craving simplicity I hear ya, Jeannie. I often think about those days in Laurel Canyon when Joni, Judy, Steven, David et al shared their lives together, their thoughts, their art. I've thought about switching to a commune life in the past but, I guess real community and a stress free life is what many people want. To drop by on a sunny afternoon for a cup of tea and shoot the breeze. To watch the sun setting from the porch. I like your phrase, "with an agreement to disagree most graciously". I guess we need to embrace our differences and embrace each other. I guess it is the constant roar of the traffic outside my window on a warm Spring day that makes me pine for that even more. I try to ignore it and focus on the lovely breeze blowing and the green grass in the park on the other side of the road. Keep on aiming for that as your life goal, Jeannie. We share more than a love for Joni. We are neighbours with a big backyard. Your neighbour across the pond, Mark. NP Big Wheels In Shanty Town - Rain Tree Crow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose Marian Russell wrote: >>>Well, the interview has finally been posted. I don't really understand what everyone is making such a fuss about. He seemed much friendlier to and even interested in Joni and much more personable than he seemed in his interview with Jewel, and Joni didn't seem uncomfortable at all. I find it interesting to watch her and to hear whatever she has to say. I've never heard her equate herself to Picasso and Nietzsche before - that was a first. This is pretty much my take too. I mean, it's not like Charlie Rose's audience, which is who it's aimed at, knows all of this material like we do. I did wish he's given her a full half hour so he wouldn't have to rush her. It was great to see her on TV 3 times in a such a short time-span. Michael F. - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:46:08 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Retro Covers, Volume 20 Oops - I almost forgot to get this out there. It's the next one in the series of Joni Cover reruns. This one, Volume 20, is a bit different because it's all jazz/instrumentals. http://download.yousendit.com/032F5F1E5ED0F5DE Tracklist: 1. Mingus Dynasty - Sweet Sucker Dance 2. Mingus Dynasty - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 3. Mingus Dynasty - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 4. Mingus Dynasty - A Chair In The Sky 5. Fareed Haque - Woodstock 6. Marc Copland & Tim Hagans - Rainy Night House 7. Benny Goodman - Both Sides Now 8. The Joe Locke Quintet - Blue 9. Ian Shaw & Cedar Walton - Furry Sings The Blues 10. Jon Jang - All I Want 11. Dave Douglas - Same Situation 12. Dave Douglas - My Old Man Bob NP: Let's Active, "Ten Layers Down" - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:00:08 -0500 From: Doug Subject: The Emergence of Joni Mitchell on NPR I just heard a promo for this on my local station out of Canton, NY http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/ It's not on the website but it said Saturday afternoon (tomorrow), I forgot what time exactly. Not sure if this applies anywhere else. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:15:46 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose I thought she hesitated just when she was about to tell Charlie how her music is High Art as opposed to all that other scuzzy popular music out there, which is pretty much what she said to Tavis and many others. This is where I have a fundamental difference with her. She seems to think there is Good Art and bad art (defined by whom?). I feel that art and music is a form of communication, and if the artist can cause a reaction in an audience, it's art. End of story. Doug Jeannie wrote: > > She mentally hesitated a couple of times with his weird energy towards her. Maybe he doesn't get it?! I thought he was more intelligent than that! Obviously, not the way I thought he was! And last night he proved it. > > Maybe he was intimidated with Joni's ultimate grace that flows with Nature and not the Fall TV show ratings. > > Jeannie > > > > ***** > > Brian Miller: > I have been a fan of most of your shows for over thirteen years now. > This evening's interview with Artist Joni Mitchell however seemed > almost a slap in the face, both to her and to your viewers. It didn't > seem to me as though the interview was at all well prepared or that you > were sincerely interested or informed as to her accomplishments and > contributions to the art form. So very little, preceeded by such > endless blatherng on about the Fall television line up. > (I mean really -- who cares?) What a truly bizarre and somehow ironic > program. Just the sort of thing Ms. Mitchell might have been inclined > to write or sing about at one time in her career. (Tavis Smiley gave us > much more of Ms. Mitchell on Nov. 9, for those who are interested.) > > ***** > > http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/11/15/2/a-conversation-with-musician-joni-mitchell > > Yeah, Charlie, why'd ya have to be so jive? You kept looking at your notes and hardly connected with Joni at all, it seemed. HELLO! Show a little interest! You're sitting with a genius and you don't even know it. You don't "get her" like Tavis does. Surely Joni felt that vibe, because she kept twisting up her impossibly gentle hands into knots and covering her mouth. And she hardly laughed at all. I could feel her discomfort. > > Maybe it wasn't that bad; it was very late when I walked in. I'll have to watch it again. Pardonnez-moi for being critical and negative on this -- that's so "not me" (except for, of course, when it comes to the Bush administration ). > > Oh well. As she said: "You can't please 'em all." > > But she pleases *us*! And herself. And that's what counts. > > Love, > > Patti P. > > NPIMH (sorry, Bob!) > > In my midnight confessions/impressions > When I tell all the world that I love you, Joni! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 > > > > > nj > > ' > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:06:04 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose From: "Marian Russell" > Well, the interview has finally been posted. I don't really understand > what everyone is making such a fuss about. ... .... and Joni didn't seem > uncomfortable at all. I pretty much agree. She looked good, and the live clips they showed during the intro only revive the big question--How come they are not putting out dvd's of this stuff??? Obviously they have incredible footage in the vaults, and lots of it. C'mon! Also...I'm pretty sure Charlie Rose is an alien. It's pretty sick that they gave her 12 minutes, and used the rest to talk to professional couch potatoes about the fall (network!) TV lineup. Like I don't already know Cavemen is one of the worst shows ever made, and that House and 30 Rock totally rule. Like dude. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:51:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose Well, that said, I comprehend it's better not to be so harsh on good ol' Charlie Rose. I guess what really perturbed me was the guest panel which came on before Joni. It is really nice to see Joni again and again. Her good attitude and grace truly renews me and makes me wanna get up and jive. Jeannie Michael Flaherty wrote: Marian Russell wrote: >>>Well, the interview has finally been posted. I don't really understand what everyone is making such a fuss about. He seemed much friendlier to and even interested in Joni and much more personable than he seemed in his interview with Jewel, and Joni didn't seem uncomfortable at all. I find it interesting to watch her and to hear whatever she has to say. I've never heard her equate herself to Picasso and Nietzsche before - that was a first. This is pretty much my take too. I mean, it's not like Charlie Rose's audience, which is who it's aimed at, knows all of this material like we do. I did wish he's given her a full half hour so he wouldn't have to rush her. It was great to see her on TV 3 times in a such a short time-span. Michael F. - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. nj ' - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:50:01 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: The Emergence of Joni Mitchell on NPR Looks like a two hour examination of JM without her input, and may be streamable for free here: http://musicsojourn.com/POD/Prog/PI/index.htm Show description: http://www.paulingles.com/mitchell.html ps one of the interviewees is none other than Mr.Les Irvin, our humble moderator! RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose Hmm. But you can hardly call Fergie or Gwen Stefani or 50 Cent art. Sure, it may cause a reaction in some people--mainly dancing at a club or whatever it may be, but it sure doesn't deserve to be called art. I can't even imagine Fergie (I really hate her music so I'll use her as an example gladly) even TRYING to call her music a work of art. It's got a different purpose--it's for young kids or young adults to dance to. That's it and I'm sure some of the people who make music like that know it and are fine with it. Not everyone like Joni (and others!), want to expand horizons, grow musically, make a statement, etc etc. That's fine too. -Monika Doug wrote: I thought she hesitated just when she was about to tell Charlie how her music is High Art as opposed to all that other scuzzy popular music out there, which is pretty much what she said to Tavis and many others. This is where I have a fundamental difference with her. She seems to think there is Good Art and bad art (defined by whom?). I feel that art and music is a form of communication, and if the artist can cause a reaction in an audience, it's art. End of story. Doug Jeannie wrote: > > She mentally hesitated a couple of times with his weird energy towards her. Maybe he doesn't get it?! I thought he was more intelligent than that! Obviously, not the way I thought he was! And last night he proved it. > > Maybe he was intimidated with Joni's ultimate grace that flows with Nature and not the Fall TV show ratings. > > Jeannie > > > > ***** > > Brian Miller: > I have been a fan of most of your shows for over thirteen years now. > This evening's interview with Artist Joni Mitchell however seemed > almost a slap in the face, both to her and to your viewers. It didn't > seem to me as though the interview was at all well prepared or that you > were sincerely interested or informed as to her accomplishments and > contributions to the art form. So very little, preceeded by such > endless blatherng on about the Fall television line up. > (I mean really -- who cares?) What a truly bizarre and somehow ironic > program. Just the sort of thing Ms. Mitchell might have been inclined > to write or sing about at one time in her career. (Tavis Smiley gave us > much more of Ms. Mitchell on Nov. 9, for those who are interested.) > > ***** > > http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/11/15/2/a-conversation-with-musician-joni-mitchell > > Yeah, Charlie, why'd ya have to be so jive? You kept looking at your notes and hardly connected with Joni at all, it seemed. HELLO! Show a little interest! You're sitting with a genius and you don't even know it. You don't "get her" like Tavis does. Surely Joni felt that vibe, because she kept twisting up her impossibly gentle hands into knots and covering her mouth. And she hardly laughed at all. I could feel her discomfort. > > Maybe it wasn't that bad; it was very late when I walked in. I'll have to watch it again. Pardonnez-moi for being critical and negative on this -- that's so "not me" (except for, of course, when it comes to the Bush administration ). > > Oh well. As she said: "You can't please 'em all." > > But she pleases *us*! And herself. And that's what counts. > > Love, > > Patti P. > > NPIMH (sorry, Bob!) > > In my midnight confessions/impressions > When I tell all the world that I love you, Joni! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 > > > > > nj > > ' > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:34:36 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Joni dream We were together - she looked younger than she looks now and her voice was not as deep as in her recent interviews. We were going to play music together, and I was waiting for her to get her guitar. She seemed happy - was smiling. Then the scene changed, she was on my right and we were walking towards this huge industrial area that included nuclear power plant towers and the space shuttle horizontal to the ground on some kind of large block and huge buildings that looked like warehouses and manufacturing plants with smoke chimneys and there was concrete everywhere and we said we didn't want to go in that direction and then the scene changed and I couldn't see those things anymore - there were wooden fences and some greenery and some old stonework and we went together into a bookstore and she was in front of me and she asked me what I believe in, and I said something like "well probably Buddhism is closest to what I believe" and I could see some little statues of Buddha on a shelf and we were looking at them and there were some candles burning. Then I woke up. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:04:46 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni dream Wow Marian you ought to have that one analyzed. I have been dreaming alot lately but I never remember by the time I get my dead butt out of bed. Thanks for sharing. LOve Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Nov 17, 2007, at 12:34 AM, Marian Russell wrote: We were together - she looked younger than she looks now and her voice was not as deep as in her recent interviews. We were going to play music together, and I was waiting for her to get her guitar. She seemed happy - was smiling. Then the scene changed, she was on my right and we were walking towards this huge industrial area that included nuclear power plant towers and the space shuttle horizontal to the ground on some kind of large block and huge buildings that looked like warehouses and manufacturing plants with smoke chimneys and there was concrete everywhere and we said we didn't want to go in that direction and then the scene changed and I couldn't see those things anymore - there were wooden fences and some greenery and some old stonework and we went together into a bookstore and she was in front of me and she asked me what I believe in, and I said something like "well probably Buddhism is closest to what I believe" and I could see some little statues of Buddha on a shelf and we were looking at them and there were some candles burning. Then I woke up. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:28:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: james taylor on tavis Another WOW. I've always loved James self effacing sense of humor but this time he went way deep. What a beautiful man, mind, soul. He's always been one of the best interviews I've seen, this time taking it to a really incredible place. I would love to send this to someone who has always loved JT who I think will be inspired by this interview. If anyone finds a link, please let me know. Many thanks, Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:27:02 +0200 From: "Ahmed Shoukry" Subject: Tavis Video Hey all, I was just wondering if it is possible for anyone to upload a video of the interview, I'm afraid we don't get PBS in Egypt... And Shine is just amazing ... :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:35:01 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Joni and Jewel Thanks for the additional info about Jewel's music, rian, and for posting what Jewel said about Joni - I found that very interesting. I only have one of Jewel's albums - the white one with her face on the cover. I ordered her book of poems after watching the Charlie Rose interview - one poem was about howling at midnight with the wild wolves in Alaska and I'd like to be able to read that one again. I think she is a sensitive, interesting and thoughtful person and I like poetry. I hardly ever listen to music, except when I'm trying to learn it, but lately I've been listening to Joni a lot when driving alone in my car. It started with Shine, then DED, and now I've got Turbulent Indigo in my car CD player. I find TI stunning in so many ways. I never thought of Joni's songs as painterly before (as she described them in something I saw or read recently), but the ones on this CD truly are and probably this is true of everything starting from C&S. I never noticed this before - I always paid attention to the lyrics and the melodies and how to play the guitar/piano parts and the harmonies (she likes fourths a LOT!), but I never paid a lot of attention to all of the other stuff. So listening to TI in the car, I was noticing instrumental (non-guitar) outtros and other layers of sound over everything. There are many layers in the songs on TI - the sounds are rich, beautiful and really amazing. Marian NPIMH: How Do You Stop - ----- Original Message ----- From: "rian afriadi" To: "joni" ; "marian" Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:49 AM Subject: Joni and Jewel. > Marian wrote > >>>>>However, when I first went to the site to try to find it, one of the > > things that came up rather prominently as an option was an interview of > Jewel. I don't really know her or her music, but since she has been > compared to Joni in the past, > > > > +++++ > > Jewel is another good musician who is highly influenced by Joni (she said > that). I have her first 4 albums (she has released 5). And now, after > knowing Joni, i listened to those 4 albums again as if i had not heard > them before. And yes. I think her first 2 albums were intended to be > another Blue album. Specially her first album, Pieces of Me, on that > album, shes like a cellophane, so defenseless, just like Blue. Her lyrics > are good, some of them are confessional (check You Were Meant For Me), her > guitar playing was OK, but still so far away from Jonis Blue. > > > Marian, if you read rollingstone magazine greatest artist of all time > issue, youll find that Joni is number 60. And Jewel wrote the description > about Joni. > > This is what she wrote : > > Joni Mitchell is a bigger icon than she is a star. Bob Dylan and Keith > Richards became famous in such a worldwide way that they became stars and > icons. But Joni is still quite unknown to a lot of people. The impact she > had wasn't big and flashy. But she influenced people who became stars. > I remember a friend in high school playing me "A Case of You," from Blue, > and me liking it -- a lot. I could tell that Joni was a painter by the way > she wrote lyrics. She describes smells and sounds to translate what is > happening in her songs, using fewer words to transmit more feeling. Her > melodies are all about shapes. The singing lines are slow, steep plateaus. > One of the things that I learned from Joni, and that I love about her: If > you can tell the story right and keep things moving, you don't need to > return to the chorus on time. > Joni never tries to make herself more perfect in her lyrics. What she > writes is closer to journalism: On Blue, you hear everything she > experienced, the highs and the lows. It's such a lonely album: not in the > "I don't have any friends" sense but in the sense that you're a little bit > removed, and always watching. And it takes a lot of courage to be that > honest, especially as a woman -- to talk about love and other intimate > things so frankly. When she first did it, it was a very fluffy time -- > pretty girls singing about pretty things. > Joni had an edginess that not many women expressed then. Most women > singers had strong vibratos and a lot of mascara. Joni Mitchell never made > a big deal out of being a woman. She had such a strong sexuality, but she > didn't feel the need to deny that part of her in order to be taken > seriously. She also didn't play it up -- although many of her songs are > about sex. > I met her only once, at a Vanity Fair photo shoot. It sounds like a > pathetically feeble Hollywood story, but Stevie Wonder introduced us. He > took my hand -- I guess I led him to her -- and he said, "Joni, I'd like > you to meet Jewel." I just shook her hand and tried to swallow. I didn't > have anything to say to her. Her influence on me is so obvious. I hope she > can hear it. > > So Marian, IMO listening to Jewels first album this weekend is not a bad > idea. > Rian > NP. Jewel. Serve The Ego. > PS: > I slept last night in a good hotel > I went shopping today for jewels > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try > it now. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #365 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)