From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #360 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, November 14 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 360 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- smoking [rsc1@humboldt.edu] Re: Sweet Bird ["Mark Scott" ] re: Fw: possible Joni content--WWJD ["marian" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:56:47 -0800 (PST) From: rsc1@humboldt.edu Subject: smoking > Thank you Joni for remaining a contrary to the rabid anti-smoker nazis > and like-minded limiters of real freedom!!! You know, I don't have a problem if Joni, or anyone else wants to smoke - it's a personal choice. But to call anti-smokers "nazis" is extreme. What I don't like is having people smoke around me. I've never smoked cigarettes.... never wanted to. The smoke has always bothered me, and I grew up around a lot of smokers (including both my parents). It's a filthy habit - the ashes, the yellowing of all surfaces in homes, and the stale smell. But hey, if you like that sort of thing..... It's the same with drinkers.... if you're drinking, and getting drunk along with others, it's great. But if you have to endure obnoxious behavior from drunks around you, it ain't so much fun. > I've smoked most of my life and am still a lot stronger and healthier > than most non-smokers half my age! Then you are among the lucky ones (and apparently, Joni too!). But tobacco (remember, it's been laced with chemicals and additives for years) has ravaged millions. Generally speaking, it is not conducive to a healthy lifestyle. gus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:56:26 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Sweet Bird Okay, I'm going to take a stab at this. Sweet Bird is one of my favorite songs. By anybody. It takes me to all kinds of places, a lot of them that are probably exclusive to my own memories and head. With that in mind, I just want to say that experience on the JMDL has taught me that everybody has their own take on Joni's lyrics. So I do not make any claims to this being the one correct interpretation. It's just what I think (as if thinking makes things so!...not!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "rian afriadi" > Of course i understand the meaning of each word, but i still cant > get the big picture. Example : > Golden in time > Cities under the sand > Power ideals and beauty > Fading in everyone's hand > > > Golden in time? Cities under the sand? I think Sweet Bird is about the way time seems to fly by. Nothing is permanent and youth flies away. We 'lay down golden in time' and we wake 'up vanishing'. My experience has been that when I was very young I gave little thought to being middle-aged or old. I got caught up in living my life and before I knew it, I was 30, then 40 and then 50. At some point I 'woke up vanishing'. I still find it hard to believe that I am 53. It doesn't seem possible that that much time has gone by since I was 20. 'Golden in time, cities under the sand' is another way of saying that everything passes away. Whole cities from ancient times lie buried under sand. The civilizations that built them did not last. All that is left are ruins. Power, ideals and beauty all fade away. No-one can hold on to them forever. > > Even though i dont know the meaning of those words (as sentences), > i must admit Joni gathered the words perfectly. > > Another perfect word-gathering: > Behind our eyes > Calendars of our lives > Circled with compromise > Sweet bird of time and change > You must be laughing > Up on your feathers laughing > > I melt every time i listen Calendars of our lives. This is such a beautifully written verse. To me this approaches poetry. For me 'circled with compromise' refers both to circles around the dates on a calendar and the dark circles that appear around our eyes when we are very tired or stressed. Circles that also appear as we get older and don't go away. The days of our lives are constantly marked by compromise. Eventually the passing and accumulation of those days and compromises leave their marks on our faces. > > > And of course this one: > Guesses at most guesses based on what each set of time and change > is touching. > > Damn! My IQ is 143 but still i cant digest that sentence! I pretty much agree with Eric's take on this line. Nobody can begin to know the meaning of life or the nature of God or what the 'Great Plan' is. All we can do is make guesses and our guesses can only be based on our own experience in our own time. Or 'what each set of time and change is touching'. Joni says it so much better than I can in these jumbled, fumbled words of mine. She says it better than anybody can. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:46:30 -0800 From: "marian" Subject: re: Fw: possible Joni content--WWJD At the risk of being the first poster in the digest today (Hi, Eric!), verrrrrry cooooool, Mark!!! Wow!!!! I only wonder how much it weighs, with all that capability. Also, I think they need to update not only their promo video to include at least one of Joni's songs in each of those tunings, but also to update their guitar to make it possible to input any of her tunings. I wonder what things will be like in a few more years - seems like all this kind of stuff just keeps getting better and better! All the best, Marian - ---------------------------------------- From: "Mark Scott" Sent: 13 November 2007 21:14 To: "joni" Subject: Fw: possible Joni content--WWJD Travis found a new toy for Joni. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WetVXbYRfWk Bye bye VG-8? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #360 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)