From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #350 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, November 5 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 350 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Cookbook! ["Marian Russell" ] Review of Shine by Joe Sweeney ["Marion Leffler" ] Joni is going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this morning! [Sherelle Smith <] Re: Joni is going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this morning! [Monika Bogda] Why Joni? (sort of long) [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Just A Thought [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni is going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this morning! [FMYFL@aol.co] CBS Sunday Morning [Bob Muller ] Re: Why Joni? (sort of long) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Joni Cookbook! [Moni Kellermann ] Joni on CBS ["Jerry Notaro" ] Joni Video clip on CBS website ["Lindsay Moon" ] SV: Why Joni? (sort of long) ["Marion Leffler" ] Joni on CBS Morning [Jeannie ] The stupidity of the human animal, CBS interview [lcstanley7@aol.com] Re: Joni is going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this morning! [Monika Bogda] Re: The stupidity of the human animal, CBS interview [Jeannie ] Re: Joni Cookbook! ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: Why Joni? (sort of long) [Bob Muller ] Re: CBS Sunday Morning ["Happy The Man" ] Re: CBS Sunday Morning [Em ] Re: CBS Sunday Morning ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Re: CBS Sunday Morning [Bob Muller ] Re: CBS Sunday Morning ["Jerry Notaro" ] Why Joni? (sort of long) ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" ] Re: Joni Cookbook! ["Eric Taylor" ] Joni Video clip on CBS website ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" ] Re: Joni on CBS Morning ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: The stupidity of the human animal, CBS interview ["Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni Cookbook! Cookbook History: We started putting the cookbook together in 1998. The ideas for it were conceived by Julie Z. Webb (hostess of the very first Jonifest in 1998) and Bev Wolfe (TheFishpond). Each recipe title was a play on words from Joni's songs. I collected all the recipes and bios and put them into a basically homogenized format and it was "finished" by early December, 1998. I sent it to Wally Breese who had said he might be able to pass it on to Joni, but the version sent to him never got to Joni and it was decided to add more recipes and bios, especially since there were new and old members who still wanted to contribute. More recipes and bios were added and Don Rowe designed that beautiful cover page with a painting by Marilyn Urbanski, and Jerry Notaro helped with editing. Unfortunately, Jerry's name was missed out on the cover page, as were the names of Julie and Bev, for which I am very sorry. I tried to send this second expanded version to Joni through Michael Paz but it was returned to him as undeliverable. He brought her copy to Jonifest 1999 and I brought three additional copies - one as a gift for Ashara, and two which were raffle prizes - one of them was won by John Van Tiel and the other by Bern Giordano. These three versions look exactly like what finally got sent to Joni - same binder and content. Unfortunately, I could find no more binders exactly like these, so there are only four cookbooks in existence (including Joni's) with the same binder and content - I don't even have one like it (boo-hoo!)! Eventually (I think it was in the fall of 1999), Wally contacted me with the address of Joni's agent and suggested that I send the book to the agent who would pass it on to her. I did this. She did receive it then as a birthday present and we all heard through Kakki that Joni had received it and that she was thrilled with it, as Kakki elaborated a few days ago. I took pictures of the book and the wrapped package, but I don't know where the pictures are. I will try to find them. When I find them, I will scan them and send them to Les for the JMDL site. At one point prior to sending, there was consideration of printing it properly as a book, but the general consensus reached in the end was that it would be prohibitively expensive. Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Claud9" ; "Joni List" Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Joni Cookbook! > BTW, since I helped on the original (9 years ago), and I am a librarian > (read pack rat) I have the cookbook in Word. I'll be happy to zap it to > anyone who wants a copy, electronically. > > Jerry > > >> Thanks, it found a home ;-) >> Claudia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:26:59 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Review of Shine by Joe Sweeney Hi everybody, I just read Joe Sweeney's review of Shine at www.jonimitchell.com/library/lusearchresults.cfm. It was the best review I have read so far, so if any of you felt like me, fed up with bad reviews by ignorant journalists, I can recommend this one. It might restore some respect for the profession of music critics (in case you are about to lose it). Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 06:55:26 -0500 From: "DENNIS SHAFFNER" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #443 CBS SUNDAYmorning features Joni on this Sunday Nov 4 everyone FYI - ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 3:27 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #443 JMDL Digest Sunday, November 4 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 443 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: ...and winter is closing in... NJC ["Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: ...and winter is closing in... NJC Bob commented: >>I just got through running in shorts and short sleeves - thank you, global warming!<< I hope you're kidding, Bob! Here in Pittsburgh it was 80 degrees every day last March and the first week of October we had temperatures near 90. All the leaves are still on the trees and the first frost is over a month late. Too many people here actually think this is a good thing. It amazes me when, after the first day of rain in two months, people complain that it it raining! Will we be thanking global warming ten years from now when 90% of the world's population who live at sea level are running for the hills? The melting of glaciers and ice caps is happening faster than anyone predicted. Alaska is 5 degrees hotter now and the tundra is turning into slush. The trees there are falling over in what they call 'drunk forests.' Eskimos can no longer store their whale blubber in what used to be permafrost. Polar bears are drowning in the suddenly open waters of the arctic seas. James Lovelock points out that the last time earth's temperature rose 8 degrees sea levels rose 40 feet. Oh what a massive mess we're in!!! Moving to Saskatoon... ET "When this place is a moonscape don't say I didn't warn ya!" - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 01:07:08 -0400 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni's videos.... (on The Fiddle & The Drum) Damn i could see that. Thanks. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Nov 3, 2007, at 11:36 PM, Eric Taylor wrote: Monika asked >> If Joni were to make a video for a song from Shine, what song >> would you want the video to be for? I've seen a couple of videos >> of hers from the 80's so it got me thinking.<< I would love to see Hana and Night Of The Iguana. But Joni has made three stunning videos from SHINE with the Alberta Ballet ~ If I Had A Heart, If, and Big Yellow Taxi 2007 ~ on The Fiddle And The Drum. The little girl in the dreamy dress steals the show!!! I've been watching this awesome interpretation of Joni's more obscure, profound compositions all day and I am completely BLOWN AWAY..... Passion Play and Slouching Toward Bethlehem particularly touch me. Also ADORE the Joni cameo in The Beat Of Black Wings as a black Killer Kyle! Charlie Mingus would still get really turned on by this....... And Big Yellow Taxi is simply PRICELESS. As a student of ballet and modern dance I can tell you that those dancers had the best time of their lives dancing to Joni's undulating syncopations. I only wish that Martha Graham had lived to see this. O how very lucky we are to have such a gorgeous genius in our messy midst transforming such ghastly ugliness into such breathtaking beauty! Never before and maybe never again will the world see an artist as talented as Joni Mitchell. I am just SO happy to be alive to witness her magic. ET - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #443 ***************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:07:31 +0000 From: Sherelle Smith Subject: Joni is going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this morning! My friend that knows I love Joni just called me and told me that she is going to be on this morning! To all who get this immediately, I hope you can tune it! Sorry I've been off the list so I don't know how many know this! Better safe than sorry!!! Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 06:28:25 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni is going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this morning! It's exciting, isn't it? I won't be able to catch it when it airs (I'm at work) but I am recording it on my DVR. Thank God for DVR's! It's such an active time in Joniland! Great fun and energy really! -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Sherelle Smith wrote: My friend that knows I love Joni just called me and told me that she is going to be on this morning! To all who get this immediately, I hope you can tune it! Sorry I've been off the list so I don't know how many know this! Better safe than sorry!!! Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 06:48:53 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Why Joni? (sort of long) Yesterday I went out with a new guy I met and we talked quite extensively about music. Of course one of the topics to come up was Joni Mitchell. I actually went on and on and on about Joni and her music. It got me thinking about Evangelists and such. Let me explain! Evangelists are always trying to convert people, making speeches, passing out pamphlets, etc, etc. Man do I wish there was such a thing as a Joni Mitchellist, doing the same thing, spreading the word on Joni! I would be so good at that! If only I could make that my job...but who would pay me? Anyway enough with the silliness, let me get to my point. This guy mentioned that he owned Mingus by Joni. He didn't buy it for Joni but at the time he was on a real jazz kick and when he discovered an album titled, "Mingus," he had to have it. He said he enjoyed the album up to a point but it wasn't what he expected (you can't expect anything with Joni though!). Since he had Mingus, he asked me what other albums to check out by her. We actually ended up listening to the entire Court & Spark album later (I had it in my car) and he seemed to enjoy that. Ok, so now let me get to my point. One thing he asked during my 15 minute or so Joni speech (he asked questions about her, what am I supposed to do but answer?!? I'm like the Energizer Bunny when it comes to music and Joni! I just talk and talk and talk! I just keep going and going and going....) was why Joni? What about her? As funny as this may sound, I found it very difficult to answer in an articulate manner, not rambling but really getting to the core of why I like Joni. At that point I went on and on about why pinpointing her innovation, her unpredictability, how every album has its own tone/style--she doesn't shy away from experimenting, her lyrics, her guitar tunings, her guitar playing in general (he asked how her guitar style was as he's a guitarist too), her ability to articulate things we all feel or think but would never dare say aloud or would never acknowledge otherwise, etc, etc. He also asked me how does Joni sing? I found that difficult to answer but with a smile I said, "with passion." What would you tell someone if he/she asked you the same question? What about Joni Mitchell? -Monika, studying to be a Joni Mitchellist... "We all come and go unknown..." Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:16:08 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Just A Thought Well, there was Wendy & Lisa on CMIARS, and Karen Peris & Brenda Russell chipping in on NRH, but those were pretty minor compared to what the boys brought to the other efforts. Bob NP: The Beatles, "I Want You" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:21:49 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni is going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this morning! What a great interview! Joni looked wonderful as always. I didn't learn anything new, but it was great to see her on tv again......and the clips from her earlier days...aaahhh. I think the interview taught people that aren't very familiar with Joni, a lot about her life. Jimmy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:20:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: CBS Sunday Morning I enjoyed it a lot - I wish they would have done her bit first, but they always save the best for later. Joni looked great, sounded great and the piece did a good job of not totally dwelling in the past and focusing on the significance of Joni today. Bob NP: Ani, "This Bouquet" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:21:35 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Why Joni? (sort of long) On Nov 4, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Man do I wish there was such a thing as a Joni Mitchellist, doing > the same thing, spreading the word on Joni! I would be so good at > that! When I first discovered Nick Drake I did the same thing. I was working in a music store at the time and was constantly trying to turn people on to Nick Drake. For awhile that seemed to be my main mission. In a way though, I'm glad there are no Joni Mitchellists because I think music like Joni Mitchell or Nick Drake is best just discovered on your own. With Joni, I just happened to borrow someone's cd of Song to a Seagull and I was instantly hooked. Joining the JMDL back in 1998/99- I can't believe its been that long- definitely helped me rediscover her music and has had a big impact on my life in many ways. ///What would you tell someone if he/she asked you the same question? What about Joni Mitchell?/// She's Joni Mitchell. I don't think I'd really want to break it down and analyze what it is exactly. She just has that intangible quality that makes her unique like so many other amazing artists. Sometimes, if you break something apart to figure out what it is, then you've destroyed it. It's not really one thing for me but everything together that makes her as wonderful and amazing as she is. I guess I tend to take a more Buddhist approach to such questions meaning, she is what she is just as James Taylor is James Taylor, Stevie Wonder is Stevie Wonder, etc... But of course that's just me. I think everybody takes a different approach to what is a really good question. Victor NP: Wynton Marsalis "The Majesty of the Blues" - Live at the Village Vanguard, Friday night ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:41:04 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Joni Cookbook! Why not put the recipes up on the JMDL website in a "cookbook" section? moni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:13:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Joni on CBS Nothing less than I expected. Superb. Do not miss it if you get a chance to see a recording of it somewhere. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:42:58 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Joni Video clip on CBS website I watched the video and am a little confused. She says she was almost embarrassed by Both Sides Now at the time she wrote it and that everyone made fun of her for it (her writing such a wise song when she was 21). So how is it in the Gene Shay interviews, he is amazed at this work and she is so excited to play it for him because she's just written it and has been playing it constantly to everyone. Is she kind of coloring her past with her present day opinions? I can't make sense of it. Any ideas? Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:20:36 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Why Joni? (sort of long) - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 4 november 2007 15:49 Till: Joni people! Dmne: Why Joni? (sort of long) < What would you tell someone if he/she asked you the same question? What about Joni Mitchell?> -Monika, studying to be a Joni Mitchellist... "We all come and go unknown..." Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com As you found out yourself, Monika, that is a tough question to answer intelligibly. I think in essence I would say this: whenever I feel something I cannot quite name or I feel something I cannot put in words I listen to Joni and end up wiser. I also listen to Joni when I know what I am feeling and could describe myself, just to hear her express similar feelings, but with so much more beauty than I ever could. Nobody sings like her, with every note expressing something, painting a picture in my mind. To me, living without Joni's music would be like watching a black and white movie. Does any of this make sense? Marion in Sweden, where the sun is just setting on a glorious autumn Sunday PS This day would have been perfect had I been able to listen to CBS but unfortunately that's not possible in this part of the world :-( I'm hoping for your reports, all you lucky ones who did listen! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:32:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Joni on CBS Morning What a beautiful way to wake up on this beautiful sunny Sunday here in SanAntonio~~with Joni on TV. She's so lovely in, oh, so many, many ways and I love her, as I know so many of us here do. Joni feels so warm to me, like a true, endearing sister, who never fails me and always soothes and comforts me and who's always there for me and whose blood is my blood. Her face radiates truth and beauty, now, more than ever, and with just a glance of her pretty face I see, hear and feel more than a million odes on an ancient Grecian Urn full of artistic history. Joni's love of the ballet shall now bring new exposure to this graceful artform, because that's exactly where she's at and now, instead of my neices only growing up to the star-maker machinery likes of Hannah Montana, they'll be gracefully dancing instead to Hana who knows how to shine naturally, like Joni, without all the flim-flam glitter stage lights. My little neices put a show on for me, and asked my mother to join me, on a patio stage show of dance, music and singing to Big Yellow Taxi, this past Thursday evening and it was so touching and precious and so energetic. I cried full of emotion and had to walk away after a standing ovation from me, telling them to leave me alone to smoke my cigarette, because I couldn't hold it in and I didn't want them to see me cry like that because it's too much to explain so much love and gratitude for Joni and what her work means to me and the children in my life, up to this present moment. Just knowing they talk of Joni like one of the family members they also know and love, is all that matters to me. They love Joni, too. The minute they walk in the house they ask me to put some Joni on for song and dance. I say okay, and the other adults say, "No, first your homework, then your supper, then your bath, then a little tv, then time for bed. I take them away and do all the things they need to do, after the dance and music and all those other chores are made simpler with Joni playing in the background---some adults just leech the lights out of a happy room and they wilt the bright balloons with lead. No thanks, I'll stay with Joni, always, as do the children. They were playing the maracas, Brazilian nut shaker sticks and the claves and they were right on with the beat. The eldest of the three who's eight years was so impressed with the 'synth' accordian and asked me if I could buy her an accordian. They're good dancers because they take ballet, ballet folklorico, gymnastics, volleyball, soccer, etc., but nobody ever lets them express their talents because nobody really takes the time out to enjoy other than at recitals. I don't get that! Everybody's too busy at work. I told my neice I'll take her to some accordian classes we have here in San Antonio, often, since this is the capital of accordian music---maybe Flaco Jimenez will give some classes this time around again---but she says she wants to play it like Joni and not like a man~~I don't know how to explain the synthesizer, so I'll just find some classes. I must find my grandfather's accordian again up in the attic. That thing is gigantic! So many good things and themes Joni brings to me for the children. I thank God with all that I am for our Joni. I don't know what I would have done or where I would be without her. She's truly in my blood, constantly, more than a case of holy wine, morning, noon, and night. Love, Jeannie nj ' Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:15:01 -0500 From: lcstanley7@aol.com Subject: The stupidity of the human animal, CBS interview Hi Ya'll, When Joni made this reference in regard to the ill way humanity treats the earth on the macro scale, I couldn't help but think of the similarly ill way smokers treat their lungs on the micro scale. Maybe humanity is addicted to the behavior that destroys the earth like the way smokers are addicted to the behavior that destroys their lungs. Maybe there is something in the human ego both societally and individually that says, I'm going to do this regardless of the truth of the destruction. Love and sorrow, Laura ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:16:35 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni is going to be on CBS Sunday Morning this morning! I can't wait to watch it when I get home! Something to look forward to is always a good thing! -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." FMYFL@aol.com wrote: What a great interview! Joni looked wonderful as always. I didn't learn anything new, but it was great to see her on tv again......and the clips from her earlier days...aaahhh. I think the interview taught people that aren't very familiar with Joni, a lot about her life. Jimmy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:15:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: The stupidity of the human animal, CBS interview Hello, Laura. You're so right and I'm so embarrassed with this addiction. I have no excuse for my smoking, not even a lame one. I've slowed down since I turned 19 years of age. In my late twenties, I've limited my smoking to only nights and if I really need a cigarette during the day, I do so, hiding, for I want no one to see me smoking, fearing I'm setting a horrific example. My son and two brothers are trying to do away with it as much as possible, with success, except for one brother. Yes, I worry for them, for Joni, my best friend, and myself. I do, but I don't fear, because I don't feel disease lurking, like I have with others. All I know is that this cigarette addiction is a personal issue, that somehow separates me from the goings on around me and it's just a quick mental escape that takes me away with the smoke, alone and apart, even if it's just for 5 minutes. The sad thing is that I know I'll never take my nightime smoking away--it helps me think without having to intentionally focus. Jeannie lcstanley7@aol.com wrote: Hi Ya'll, When Joni made this reference in regard to the ill way humanity treats the earth on the macro scale, I couldn't help but think of the similarly ill way smokers treat their lungs on the micro scale. Maybe humanity is addicted to the behavior that destroys the earth like the way smokers are addicted to the behavior that destroys their lungs. Maybe there is something in the human ego both societally and individually that says, I'm going to do this regardless of the truth of the destruction. Love and sorrow, Laura ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com nj ' Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:36:12 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Why Joni? (sort of long) Loved your post, Monika. To answer your question, the first album I ever bought was the Clouds album. I bought it kind of accidentally, although I think I had seen Joni singing (or possibly Judy Collins doing a cover of) Both Sides Now with guitar on TV and I wondered "What is that beautiful song???" so when I started listening to the album, I was delighted to hear the beautiful song I had heard on TV. Later I got the Song To A Seagull album and I liked it even more. What has always been amazing for me, with Joni, is that I usually like every song on every album, at least eventually. Every song is beautiful and unique, musically and lyrically and, for me, this remained true up through the Turbulent Indigo album. From all of her albums up through TI, there are probably only four or five songs that I didn't like that much (e.g., Dancin' Clown, Raised on Robbery, Pirate of Penance). For many years, it was unusual that I found any album where I liked more than one or two songs to the point of wanting to hear them over and over whereas, with Joni, I wanted to hear EVERY song over and over. Joni's songs are like stories with colorful pictures - sometimes they are funny, sometimes wise, sometimes educational, always intelligent and thoughtful. Also, I really love guitar music, and her early guitar work is truly stunning in its beauty and intricacy (Tin Angel, The Dawntreader, The Gallery, The Priest, I Don't Know Where I Stand, to name a few - and thanks to Sue MacNamara, who started the Joni Mitchell Guitar Files in the mid-90's, anyone who aspires to learn some of these beautiful songs with guitar can now do so, with patience and persistence, by listening to the songs on CD and trying to follow the guitar tablature and chords that are available). I feel like Joni is a kindred spirit and that she speaks to me and for me and I think that everyone who likes her music as much as I do is also a kindred spirit - that there is something really special about sharing a deep appreciation of Joni's music with someone else. Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" To: "Joni people!" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: Why Joni? (sort of long) > What would you tell someone if he/she asked you the same question? > What about Joni Mitchell? > -Monika, studying to be a Joni Mitchellist... > "We all come and go unknown..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:57:34 -0500 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Joni Cookbook! Seeing all those names brings back a lot pof fine memories. I joined here I think in early 1999 - one of the very first things I did when I got internet (remember when people did not have internet?). Some wonderful people... wonderful times. Vince On Nov 4, 2007 4:33 AM, Marian Russell wrote: > Cookbook History: We started putting the cookbook together in 1998. The > ideas for it were conceived by Julie Z. Webb (hostess of the very first > Jonifest in 1998) and Bev Wolfe (TheFishpond). Each recipe title was a play > on words from Joni's songs. I collected all the recipes and bios and put > them into a basically homogenized format and it was "finished" by early > December, 1998. I sent it to Wally Breese who had said he might be able to > pass it on to Joni, but the version sent to him never got to Joni and it was > decided to add more recipes and bios, especially since there were new and > old members who still wanted to contribute. > > More recipes and bios were added and Don Rowe designed that beautiful cover > page with a painting by Marilyn Urbanski, and Jerry Notaro helped with > editing. Unfortunately, Jerry's name was missed out on the cover page, as > were the names of Julie and Bev, for which I am very sorry. > > > I tried to send this second expanded version to Joni through Michael Paz but > it was returned to him as undeliverable. He brought her copy to Jonifest > 1999 and I brought three additional copies - one as a gift for Ashara, and > two which were raffle prizes - one of them was won by John Van Tiel and the > other by Bern Giordano. These three versions look exactly like what finally > got sent to Joni - same binder and content. Unfortunately, I could find no > more binders exactly like these, so there are only four cookbooks in > existence (including Joni's) with the same binder and content - I don't even > have one like it (boo-hoo!)! > > Eventually (I think it was in the fall of 1999), Wally contacted me with the > address of Joni's agent and suggested that I send the book to the agent who > would pass it on to her. I did this. She did receive it then as a birthday > present and we all heard through Kakki that Joni had received it and that > she was thrilled with it, as Kakki elaborated a few days ago. > > I took pictures of the book and the wrapped package, but I don't know where > the pictures are. I will try to find them. When I find them, I will scan > them and send them to Les for the JMDL site. > > At one point prior to sending, there was consideration of printing it > properly as a book, but the general consensus reached in the end was that it > would be prohibitively expensive. > > > > Marian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Notaro" > To: "Claud9" ; "Joni List" > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: Joni Cookbook! > > > > > BTW, since I helped on the original (9 years ago), and I am a librarian > > (read pack rat) I have the cookbook in Word. I'll be happy to zap it to > > anyone who wants a copy, electronically. > > > > Jerry > > > > > >> Thanks, it found a home ;-) > >> Claudia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:50:32 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Why Joni? (sort of long) In a nutshell, Joni aspires to and reaches a level of artistry in many different categories and musical genres. That's one thing. But what makes her significant on a discussion list level is that lots of people DON'T get her, so that in essence makes those of us who do sort of something special. And that's why I'm here and why I stay here. Not JUST because of Joni & her body of work, but because of the type of person that Joni attracts; intelligent, passionate, opinionated yet open-minded, artistic, emotional, etc. I'll always remember when I told my sister that I was on a JMDL, and her first response was "oh wow, I bet Joni Mitchell fans feel things very deeply". And that's why I don't try to be a Joni evangelist - the majority of folks out there just aren't going to get it. And it doesn't matter a bit to me because now I have all of you that do. Bob NP: 10CC, "Blackmail" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:26:26 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning Yes that would have been nice I had a prior commitment and had to leave and thus not having a DVR (monika) i'm stuck relying on my good friends at the JMDL who will post the segment on you tube or you send it to me. enjoying a great afternoon of music...jenny's and randall's CD's - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "JMDL" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:20 AM Subject: CBS Sunday Morning >I enjoyed it a lot - I wish they would have done her bit first, but they >always save the best for later. Joni looked great, sounded great and the >piece did a good job of not totally dwelling in the past and focusing on >the significance of Joni today. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "This Bouquet" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:37:21 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning what time did they finally put her segment on, Bob? I waited and waited, but was up against a time crunch trying to meet some people...so I finally had to jet around 10 or so. Regretted missing it. Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > I enjoyed it a lot - I wish they would have done her bit first, but > they always save the best for later. Joni looked great, sounded great > and the piece did a good job of not totally dwelling in the past and > focusing on the significance of Joni today. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "This Bouquet" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:46:34 -0500 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning Since joining the JMDL I've seen/learned more about Joni than I even cared to know and though I was excited to sit down and watch her on NETWORK television this morning, I didn't expect much. The segment was too short and I didn't learn anything new, but there I was all choked up by the end of it. I don't know why except that it portrayed her with the respsect and admiration she deserves and I found it very moving. If only it was three times as long. Jenny On 11/4/07, Happy The Man wrote: > > Yes that would have been nice I had a prior commitment and had to leave > and > thus not having a DVR (monika) i'm stuck relying on my good friends at the > JMDL who will post the segment on you tube or you send it to me. > > enjoying a great afternoon of music...jenny's and randall's CD's > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Muller" > To: "JMDL" > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:20 AM > Subject: CBS Sunday Morning > > > >I enjoyed it a lot - I wish they would have done her bit first, but they > >always save the best for later. Joni looked great, sounded great and the > >piece did a good job of not totally dwelling in the past and focusing on > >the significance of Joni today. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Ani, "This Bouquet" > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning My take as well, Jenny - I felt like it validated my opinion of her to the Sunday morning network world. And my wife (not a big fan) watched it with me, and she got that same feeling....yeah, Joni is kind of a big deal. I thought it ironic that they also featured the Japanese artist who is sort of a modern-day Peter Max, existing mainly to inject as much commerce into his work as he can, when Joni heads in the other direction. Em, I think the Joni segment came on around 10AM. Bob NP: Madeline Peyroux, "A Little Bit" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:05:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning She came on at 10:02. They saved her for the last half hour, IMHO, is because they lose some to Meet the Press at 10. Jerry Em wrote: > what time did they finally put her segment on, Bob? I waited and > waited, but was up against a time crunch trying to meet some > people...so I finally had to jet around 10 or so. Regretted missing it. > Em > > --- Bob Muller wrote: > >> I enjoyed it a lot - I wish they would have done her bit first, but >> they always save the best for later. Joni looked great, sounded great >> and the piece did a good job of not totally dwelling in the past and >> focusing on the significance of Joni today. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Ani, "This Bouquet" >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:59:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Why Joni? (sort of long) Monika, I knew you had questions but I didn't know you also had the answers. Great job. Jim L. A suiter asked, >>Why Joni? Monika said, >I went on and on about why, pinpointing her innovation, her unpredictability, how every album has its own tone/style--she doesn't shy away from experimenting, her lyrics, her guitar tunings, her guitar playing in general (he asked how her guitar style was as he's a guitarist too), her ability to articulate things we all feel or think but would never dare say aloud or would never acknowledge otherwise, etc, etc.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:38:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Tavis Smiley Thank you to whoever it was that mentioned Joni would be interviewed by Tavis this Friday. I've been a fan of his show for a year or two when I stumbled upon it by accident & was very impressed. He has the greatest guests & is so respectful, passionate & informed. His questions are thought provoking & deep. Should be a great show. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 00:12:56 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni Cookbook! Thank you Marian for this! >Cookbook History: We started putting the cookbook together in 1998. The ideas for it were conceived by Julie Z. Webb (hostess of the very first Jonifest in 1998) and Bev Wolfe (TheFishpond). Each recipe title was a play on words from Joni's songs...< Those were such good days and I feel SO honored that my Elephant Ivory Apple Pie might have touched Joni's lips between then and now! ;~* ET "You see those lovely hills? They won't be there for long." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:17:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Joni Video clip on CBS website Lindsay said >So how is it in the Gene Shay interviews, he is amazed at this work and she is so excited to play it for him because she's just written it and has been playing it constantly to everyone. Is she kind of coloring her past with her present day opinions? I can't make sense of it. Any ideas?> Sure. Joni does interviews like a boxer fights. She's been KO'ed a few times (in her opinion). She sees every punch and dodges each one. She debunks the misconception that she *perceives* behind every question. Q: >Was there a point where you said to yourself, 'Ya know, I could make a really good living at this'...> To me, the first question "framed" her as a songwriter with confidence. She heard it as the misconception She countered immediately: A: >No, I was always going to be a PAINTER.> Joni conveys a lot with the words she stresses. Many times, you've heard her say, "I'm a painter, first." She said it again this year because that's the key message for her. Sometimes, it doesn't matter what the question is, because she says that first anyway! As a boxer, she leaps out of her corner and immediately throws a punch. Instead of patting herself on the back with praise for her ability to earn money, she reached to be called an artist. Dig: artists are above popularity. She's not a market-driven type. She doesn't live and die by her chart position. Re-reading the question, I realize I was wrong and she was right. He didn't ask her about how it felt to convey a universal truth! He asked her how it felt to know she could "make a really good living!" Q: >Was there a song where you look back and said, 'Wow, that song was the first song that I wrote that I was incredibly proud of?'> To answer that question straight-on would require a willingness to congratulate herself and she's too smart for that. She ducked, then re-framed the question as a misconception that ANY song is universally admired. At one time, she may have thought that the public loved her, no matter what. Remember the Carnegie Hall show, when she said, "Hmmm. Unconditional love. Mmmmmm." But then she hired the LA Express, and she got shouted down for not playing the dulcimer. Fame comes with a spot light but it shines down black water. It's important to debunk "Both Sides Now" because the public didn't approve of everything. Each of us have a favorite. We all know that "Both Sides Now" is an amazing song, and will outlive all of us, but the song also had detractors. She couldn't possibly say, "I was incredibly proud of 'Both Sides Now'. It opened the door to financial independence, and got my mother's respect. Period. Next question, please?" She would never say that to the press. She's been misquoted too many times so she always has her guard up. In print, they might have mis-represented her by putting an editorial in front of her answer, like this make-believe exchange... - --------------- [Joni was desperate for her mother's praise and sought it in song-writing. She told us,] "Wow, I was incredibly proud of 'Both Sides Now'. It opened the door to financial independence, and got my mother's respect." - --------------- Back in the boxing ring, Joni dodged the punch. She said, A: >The first song that got FUSSED OVER was "Both Sides Now"... There's that EMPHASIS again. Jim L'Hommedieu Dayton, OH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:43:54 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni on CBS goodwill spills over into the workplace Okay, okay, I confess to being a Joni Mitchellist. Last night I emailed lots of non-Joni people in my address book thusly: Dear Friends Who Love Joni or Who Kindly Tolerate My Loving Joni and Should Learn More About Her: She is going to be on the CBS Sunday Morning Show which starts at 9 a.m. EST. Be there or be square! ("You're so square. Baby, I don't care.") http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/01/sunday/main3441230.shtml Peace, Patti P. "Shine on good humor, Shine on goodwill." - -- JM *** I mean, if you have discovered true mind beauty, don't you want to share it with the whole universe? Absolument! I got only a few responses, but here is one of the best (from Theo, my fave Comp Lit grad student, who came to hear the last half hour of Joni in Starrrrrbucks w/ me) (Joni love is precious): "Way cool to see that old footage! Love the work she did off her busted TV; lemonade indeed..." Ya gotta love this man! And then a few hours later, he writes this: ________________________________ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:51:00 -0500 From: theo To: loveuconn@hotmail.com Subject: A favor/question CC: patricia.parlette@uconn.edu Hey Peppermint - We have a director coming in this week (partly with MCL support) and he'll be premiering a film as part of Native American Heritage Month - I need a room for at least 100 - and I'd like it to be in Humanities (6 p.m. Wednesday 11/7/07). Would it be possible to get either of those big rooms on the first floor? Just let me know as soon as you get a minute. Thanks! Theo ***** Ha! He knows how to get what he wants. Joni adoration gets you everything in my workplace. ****** My reply: Anything for you, Chuck! I'll call Scheduling tomorrow. So glad you "got" Joni this morning. Is she a goddess or *what*? (Norma, I hope you got to see her, too.) And November 7th, btw, is Joni's birthday. She loves Native Americans so it is my Joni-duty to get you a great room. Not that I'm a fanatic or anything. ; ) Peace, Peppermint _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:09:04 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning > She came on at 10:02. They saved her for the last half hour, IMHO, is > because they lose some to Meet the Press at 10. Later there was a commercial for "Shine", too, with some kinda cool artistic graphics. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:01:09 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni on CBS Morning >>That thing is gigantic! So many good things and themes Joni brings to me for the children. I thank God with all that I am for our Joni. I don't know what I would have done or where I would be without her. She's truly in my blood, constantly, more than a case of holy wine, morning, noon, and night. Love, Jeannie<< I couldn't agree with you more! I began to grasp this holy fact back in 1979 when the disco shit hit the fan. So Joni releases Mingus........ Sometimes it scares me how much I listen to Joni. But then I contemplate what it would have been like to live in the days of Beethoven. Seriously. Thank you SO much for reinforcing my total addiction to JM Jeannie! When will the world wake up? ET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:22:11 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: The stupidity of the human animal, CBS interview >>When Joni made this reference in regard to the ill way humanity treats the earth on the macro scale, I couldn't help but think of the similarly ill way smokers treat their lungs on the micro scale. Maybe humanity is addicted to the behavior that destroys the earth like the way smokers are addicted to the behavior that destroys their lungs. Maybe there is something in the human ego both societally and individually that says, I'm going to do this regardless of the truth of the destruction. Love and sorrow, Laura<< Oh geez Laura please don't confuse smoking tobacco with global warming! Just be thankful that we smokers are paying for America's health care with the taxes collected from tobacco. A much bigger problem is the countless cancer-causing chemicals we use to 'clean' our bodies and homes. O Great Spirit ET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:34:33 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: PHOTO of Joni & David Crosby Check out the photo of Joni and David Crosby (and beneath that a baby-faced Jackson Browne!) http://www.laurelcanyonthebook.com/?p=930 Laura ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #350 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)