From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #338 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, October 25 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 338 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Blender Magazine - Shine Review ["Eric Taylor" ] Empty, Try Another (Upon The Funeral Pyre) ["William Elliott" ] Re: Smoke On The Water now vljc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Smoke On The Water now vljc [Victor Johnson ] Re: Smoke On The Water now vljc [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: shine on the catholic church... ["Happy The Man" ] Subject: Re: Blender Magazine - Shine Review - The voice [Bryan ] Re: SJC. Zenith to nadir and back ["Marian Russell" ] Re: Blender Magazine - Shine Review and one more thing! [Kerry ] 'River' Review/Herbie Hancock - The voice [Jeannie back to October 27th [Patti Parlette ] Re: Jenny's progress, [Bob Muller ] Subject: incredibly dumb question ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:22:01 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Blender Magazine - Shine Review >> Cranky Canadian genius dislikes mobile phones; loves tar and nicotine. Reviewed by Stephen Holden << HOW INCREDIBLY STUPID! This "review" is a perfect example of people who judge music by the lyrics, driven by pop culture. Little Stephen Holden his prick continues: "She has a bugaboo about cell phones." What the F do these two little lyrics have to do with the stunning MUSIC??? I feel sorry for people who can't get beyond the words to appreciate the real driving force of Joni. Holden his balls continues: "The cruelest joke is that Mitchell's smoggy voice is as polluted (from smoking) as the dying planet her songs describe. For this, she has no one to blame but herself." HOW EVEN STUPIDER??? As a fellow smoker I just need to say that all of you increasingly obnoxious non-smokers are behaving more and more like nazis every day. Hey you should THANK US for providing the most money of anyone for health care in America with all the god damn taxes. IMO what really causes cancer is manmade pollutants from our cars, factories and YES cell phones. But WHAT does any of this have to do with the music? Personally I've long concluded that most people are simply stupid. Sorry if age has made people like me cranky and cynical. But you young zombies REALLY disappoint me with your care-free obliviousness. Comparing cigarette smokers to greed-heads killing our lovely planet is beyond stupid. I really feel sorry and even sometimes pray for stupid people like you. ET NP: Planet In Peril, Part 2, CNN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:30:55 -0700 From: "William Elliott" Subject: Empty, Try Another (Upon The Funeral Pyre) But smoking and pollution/destruction of the Earth are two completely different matters. Smoking starts off as a personal choice (not so much a choice after a matter of time when addiction comes into play) harming mainly yourself (and someone who may be sitting next to you). A cigarette doesn't pollute the Earth comparatively and just because you smoke or take part in some other vice (pick your poison) doesn't mean you shouldn't have the right to say what you think. I could understand if Joni wrote an anti-smoking album and the reviewer had a problem with that citing the contradiction but this is just silly. - -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Yes, Monika, this makes perfect sense to me and, overall, I agree with you. I thought the SHINE review in BLENDER was somewhat catty. It seems like some reviewers are desperate to unearth hypocrisy in order to discount the message of the album. I really disliked SHINE when I first heard it but, with repeated listenings, I am warming to it. Yes, smoking is a personal choice -- even when it becomes an addiction. And one person smoking has no impact on the planet. I just wonder what -- if any - -- impact millions of people simultaneously smoking has on Earth. But you cannot force people to lay down their cigarettes. Contractor Training - Click Here

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There is some talk about introducing that law in New South Wales. It's scary to think of these laws encroaching on personal property. Maybe this is why Joni is reluctant to come to Australia again. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:48:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Smoke On The Water now vljc Smoking in the province of Ontario is banned in all the places you name for Australia, Mark, except that the public parks haven't been touched (yet.) Smoking laws aren't federal here, so they vary from province to province, and cities can also enforce their own smoking bylaws, as long as they're stricter than the provincial ones. Bars/restaurants can provide a smoking area outside. You can smoke on a patio, but I don't think that includes covered patios anymore. Various medical associations and children's advocacy groups have recommended that it be banned anywhere there are children, including people's homes (how would you enforce that? You'd have people snitching on one another.) The smoking laws do get tighter each year, but of course they won't ban it altogether as it brings in huge amounts of tax revenues. Smoking isn't allowed in taxi cabs, but I have been in cabs that smell like smoke (probably the driver smoking when he has no fare in the car.) I've been stuck in a car on a six-hour trip with my nic-fiend sister (it was her car, her rules) and, as a non-smoker (or worse, one of those who used to smoke but quit 25 years ago) and a person with allergies and prone to sinus infections, I don't find this pleasant at all, but if you even broach the subject of smoking with this sister, she gets very defensive and angry. So I try to avoid visiting her for any long periods, or being in her car, or else bring along plenty of decongestants and ibuprofen to deal with the headaches and am lucky I've got a drug plan to cover any prescription antibiotics I might need later. I get a little fed up with the righteousness on both sides and I can be as righteous as any other cigarette-hater, but smoking is a habit that affects other people and it's not just a matter of aesthetics. Fashion faux-pas might be considered criminal by some, but people don't usually require medication if they see people dressed inappropriately. ;-) Of course smoking is not responsible for global warming, nor is it a major source of air pollution (except in enclosed spaces), but I don't think non-smokers should have to inhale second-hand smoke and some smokers get a little too defensive or try to make non-smokers' complaints sound trivial. I don't think Joni is avoiding Australia because of its smoking laws. People seem to bend them very far on her behalf, as she seems to be allowed to smoke in many places where mere mortals would not be allowed. It is probably her post-polio syndrome which prevents her from travelling too often or too far. - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hi gang. Since Joni's smoking was raised, I was > wondering if > Australia now has the toughest smoking laws in the > world. Smoking is > now banned in ALL public buildings, shops, malls, > restaurants, cafes, > clubs and pubs. Some local councils have also banned > smoking from > public parks. Namely, the parks that run along the > beaches where > people often jog. This was the most controversial of > laws. Smoking is > only allowed in pubs and cafes where there is an > outdoor area, > enclosed on 3 sides. Smoking is allowed in a few > clubs in Canberra > where a very expensive split air conditioning system > is installed > that prevents smoke from drifting to other areas. > > I was told that it is illegal in California to smoke > in your car now. > Can anyone confirm this? There is some talk about > introducing that > law in New South Wales. It's scary to think of these > laws encroaching > on personal property. > > Maybe this is why Joni is reluctant to come to > Australia again. > > Mark in Sydney > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:57:16 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Smoke On The Water now vljc On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:48 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > > I don't think Joni is avoiding Australia because of > its smoking laws. People seem to bend them very far on > her behalf, as she seems to be allowed to smoke in > many places where mere mortals would not be allowed. > It is probably her post-polio syndrome which prevents > her from travelling too often or too far. > Many bar owners in Atlanta don't enforce the smoking ban in their bars. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:19:35 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Smoke On The Water now vljc Thanks Catherine. I always find it fascinating to learn of the lifestyle in other countries (I've always had a special interest in Canada). Of course, I was only joking about Joni not wanting to visit Australia because of the anti-smoking laws. I think she has actually said that she just doesn't like flying long distances. The flight is probably a little shorter now than in the '80s when she was here last. Ironically, today was the arrival of the new Boeing from Singapore - the largest passenger airliner in the world. It's first flight arrived in Sydney today. It's so big, you can book a double bed suite for $100,000. That might be more comfortable for Joni. I doubt that you could smoke on it though. I kind of thought Canada would have varying laws in each province as we do in each state. New South Wales has only enacted the more strict anti-smoking laws in the last year or so. Canberra, being in the federal territory of the ACT, often tests new laws first. I forgot about public transport. Smoking is not allowed on any public transport anywhere in the country - trains, buses, ferries (trams in Melbourne). Even long distance trains. Therefore, you wouldn't be allowed to smoke at all during a train trip from Sydney to Perth. That's about 3 days. Same goes for all flights. I've had friends who were smokers who endured the 36 hour flight to London. They say it's Hell. Most smokers sedate themselves for a long flight like that. Bring on the long talked about sub-orbital flights. Bob Muller hit the nail on the head when he said that the problem is not necessarily the habit but the attitude of the person with the habit. Rudeness can come from all sorts of people. Even before the all the health education and knowledge of smoking, I was always courteous: holding my cigarette away from people and blowing the smoke in the opposite direction. I am always conscious of other people's discomfort. I do the same whether I'm in the company of smokers or non smokers. I don't like preachy people but in my own home (or car) I do as I please (still with courtesy towards those I'm with). I'm always surprised when smoker friends or family visit and they go outside to smoke even though they know it's alright to smoke in my house. They are being conditioned with guilt. I have been amazed to see Joni smoking on talk shows, etc. I doubt that she would be allowed to on Australian TV or in theatres. I don't think they would make an exception for her. On the other hand, she could be interviewed in a hotel or someone's house and still smoke. Which is what I think she did for Today show interview in 1988. I think it was done at her hotel. I believe it was the Sebel Townhouse hotel in Sydney. I should try to post those interviews for the list again. Mark. On 25/10/2007, at 9:48 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Smoking in the province of Ontario is banned in all > the places you name for Australia, Mark, except that > the public parks haven't been touched (yet.) Smoking > laws aren't federal here, so they vary from province > to province, and cities can also enforce their own > smoking bylaws, as long as they're stricter than the > provincial ones. Bars/restaurants can provide a > smoking area outside. You can smoke on a patio, but I > don't think that includes covered patios anymore. > > Various medical associations and children's advocacy > groups have recommended that it be banned anywhere > there are children, including people's homes (how > would you enforce that? You'd have people snitching on > one another.) The smoking laws do get tighter each > year, but of course they won't ban it altogether as it > brings in huge amounts of tax revenues. > > Smoking isn't allowed in taxi cabs, but I have been in > cabs that smell like smoke (probably the driver > smoking when he has no fare in the car.) > > I've been stuck in a car on a six-hour trip with my > nic-fiend sister (it was her car, her rules) and, as a > non-smoker (or worse, one of those who used to smoke > but quit 25 years ago) and a person with allergies and > prone to sinus infections, I don't find this pleasant > at all, but if you even broach the subject of smoking > with this sister, she gets very defensive and angry. > So I try to avoid visiting her for any long periods, > or being in her car, or else bring along plenty of > decongestants and ibuprofen to deal with the headaches > and am lucky I've got a drug plan to cover any > prescription antibiotics I might need later. > > I get a little fed up with the righteousness on both > sides and I can be as righteous as any other > cigarette-hater, but smoking is a habit that affects > other people and it's not just a matter of aesthetics. > Fashion faux-pas might be considered criminal by > some, but people don't usually require medication if > they see people dressed inappropriately. ;-) > > Of course smoking is not responsible for global > warming, nor is it a major source of air pollution > (except in enclosed spaces), but I don't think > non-smokers should have to inhale second-hand smoke > and some smokers get a little too defensive or try to > make non-smokers' complaints sound trivial. > > I don't think Joni is avoiding Australia because of > its smoking laws. People seem to bend them very far on > her behalf, as she seems to be allowed to smoke in > many places where mere mortals would not be allowed. > It is probably her post-polio syndrome which prevents > her from travelling too often or too far. > > > --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > >> Hi gang. Since Joni's smoking was raised, I was >> wondering if >> Australia now has the toughest smoking laws in the >> world. Smoking is >> now banned in ALL public buildings, shops, malls, >> restaurants, cafes, >> clubs and pubs. Some local councils have also banned >> smoking from >> public parks. Namely, the parks that run along the >> beaches where >> people often jog. This was the most controversial of >> laws. Smoking is >> only allowed in pubs and cafes where there is an >> outdoor area, >> enclosed on 3 sides. Smoking is allowed in a few >> clubs in Canberra >> where a very expensive split air conditioning system >> is installed >> that prevents smoke from drifting to other areas. >> >> I was told that it is illegal in California to smoke >> in your car now. >> Can anyone confirm this? There is some talk about >> introducing that >> law in New South Wales. It's scary to think of these >> laws encroaching >> on personal property. >> >> Maybe this is why Joni is reluctant to come to >> Australia again. >> >> Mark in Sydney >> > > > Catherine > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving > junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http:// > mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:25:50 -0400 From: Coleen Subject: Fiddle and the Drum Good Morning Everyone, I've just uploaded Monday night's broadcast of the Fiddle and the Drum to Limewire in case any of you would like to download it. I had to upload it in three parts (named fiddle and drum 1, 2 and 3), I'm not sure why. When I converted it to a .mov file using iSquint it just split it into 3 parts. It will play using Quicktime. When you log in to Limewire, select video and type Fiddle and Drum in the title box. I think Limewire is just for Mac's - if anyone would like me to post the files somewhere else, just let me know. Coleen np: Baby I'm A Big Star Now - Counting Crows ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:01:29 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... Catherine, I have enjoyed this little ditty from Susan Werner: [.] Our Father (The New, Revised Edition) Thy kingdom come to every nation Thy will be done in everything we do Lord, lead us not into temptation And deliver us from those who think they're You Lord send us forth to be of service To build the schools and dig the wells And deliver us from the creepy preachers With their narrow minds and very wide lapels Lord give us strength to bring compassion to every corner of the world And please allow for women in the Catholic priesthood And remind the pope that he coulda been a girl Lord deliver us from politicians Who drop Your name in every speech As if they're Your best friend from high school As if they practice what they preach - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... > --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > > >> Religion is a human attempt at making sense of a >> reality too big for our >> little human minds to fully comprehend... just like >> fairy tales are an >> attempt to relate big people realities in little >> stories to children. If there >> weren't people there'd be no religion; just like if >> there weren't children >> there wouldn't be fairy tales. >> >> Religion in my opinion is a human thing, and to >> cast it all off, to >> condemn it by focusing only on the corruption and >> bad rather than seeing the >> human beauty, the art, in it is not very tolerant. >> Yin without the yang and the >> ball don't roll. >> > > I think it's possible to have a religion, or a > philosophy, of life that tries to explain the point of > it all without the bureaucracy attached. I guess my > main grip with the catholic church (a gripe that can > be applied to many other religions, but my personal > experience is with the RC church) is that, each time > the believer tries to see the things about the faith > that are beautiful, they are slapped back into reality > by fundamentalist types imposing too many ridiculous > rules about what is and isn't OK to believe in, about > who can/can't say mass, and so on. > > I've known a lot of religious Catholic people who were > wonderful, caring open-minded individuals who embraced > other beliefs and faiths as easily as they did their > own and saw them all as equally valid, but then there > are the rule-setting petty-minded little tyrants who > want to impose their own narrow views on everyone. And > those are the ones who want to slap down anyone who > tries to be more liberal-minded. > > And then they get ridiculous with the "mysteries" of > the church - such as, when the priest consecrates the > bread and wine, he is *literally* turning it into the > body and blood of Jesus, which is foolish, illogical > and, let's face it, cannibalistic and gross. > > I can get beautiful concepts and philosophies from > many sources and I love reading myths from many > cultures and religions and, despite being agnostic, I > certainly do love the *idea* of a god or goddess of > some kind, but ultimately, I believe that whatever is > godly lies within us all. > > I am quite sure that the abusers are a small minority, > but it's the petty-mindedness and literal > interpretations of bible text by some of the > priesthood and the faithful that drives me crazy. > There's a lot of art and beauty in that faith, as > there are in many faiths, but it's undermined by the > other foolishness. > > And it's just too male-dominated for my liking. Let > them elect a pope (or would that be a Big Mama?) who > is female and under 80 and maybe I'll pay attention. > > > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:26:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... Yeah. Another Susan Werner fan. I was turned on to her by Sharon Goldberg (from whom we haven't heard a peep, lately.) Jerry Happy The Man wrote: > Catherine, > > I have enjoyed this little ditty from Susan Werner: > > [.] Our Father (The New, Revised Edition) > Thy kingdom come to every nation > Thy will be done in everything we do > Lord, lead us not into temptation > And deliver us > from those who think they're You > > Lord send us forth to be of service > To build the schools and dig the wells > And deliver us from the creepy preachers > With their narrow minds and very wide lapels > > Lord give us strength to bring compassion > to every corner of the world > And please allow for women in the Catholic priesthood > And remind the pope that he coulda been a girl > > Lord deliver us from politicians > Who drop Your name in every speech > As if they're Your best friend from high school > As if they practice what they preach > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine McKay" > To: ; > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... > > >> --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: >> >> >>> Religion is a human attempt at making sense of a >>> reality too big for our >>> little human minds to fully comprehend... just like >>> fairy tales are an >>> attempt to relate big people realities in little >>> stories to children. If there >>> weren't people there'd be no religion; just like if >>> there weren't children >>> there wouldn't be fairy tales. >>> >>> Religion in my opinion is a human thing, and to >>> cast it all off, to >>> condemn it by focusing only on the corruption and >>> bad rather than seeing the >>> human beauty, the art, in it is not very tolerant. >>> Yin without the yang and the >>> ball don't roll. >>> >> >> I think it's possible to have a religion, or a >> philosophy, of life that tries to explain the point of >> it all without the bureaucracy attached. I guess my >> main grip with the catholic church (a gripe that can >> be applied to many other religions, but my personal >> experience is with the RC church) is that, each time >> the believer tries to see the things about the faith >> that are beautiful, they are slapped back into reality >> by fundamentalist types imposing too many ridiculous >> rules about what is and isn't OK to believe in, about >> who can/can't say mass, and so on. >> >> I've known a lot of religious Catholic people who were >> wonderful, caring open-minded individuals who embraced >> other beliefs and faiths as easily as they did their >> own and saw them all as equally valid, but then there >> are the rule-setting petty-minded little tyrants who >> want to impose their own narrow views on everyone. And >> those are the ones who want to slap down anyone who >> tries to be more liberal-minded. >> >> And then they get ridiculous with the "mysteries" of >> the church - such as, when the priest consecrates the >> bread and wine, he is *literally* turning it into the >> body and blood of Jesus, which is foolish, illogical >> and, let's face it, cannibalistic and gross. >> >> I can get beautiful concepts and philosophies from >> many sources and I love reading myths from many >> cultures and religions and, despite being agnostic, I >> certainly do love the *idea* of a god or goddess of >> some kind, but ultimately, I believe that whatever is >> godly lies within us all. >> >> I am quite sure that the abusers are a small minority, >> but it's the petty-mindedness and literal >> interpretations of bible text by some of the >> priesthood and the faithful that drives me crazy. >> There's a lot of art and beauty in that faith, as >> there are in many faiths, but it's undermined by the >> other foolishness. >> >> And it's just too male-dominated for my liking. Let >> them elect a pope (or would that be a Big Mama?) who >> is female and under 80 and maybe I'll pay attention. >> >> >> Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:00:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Subject: Re: Blender Magazine - Shine Review - The voice >Subject: Re: Blender Magazine - Shine Review >Of course, smoking is a terrible addictive habit. But in my opinion, Joni's voice has never been better than it is on Shine. I am kind of ticked off with the reviewers who talk about Joni's smoky voice on Shine. Anyone who has listened through the years (all the way through) will quickly discern that her voice on Shine is vastly improved over the last couple of newly recorded CDs (BSN and, especially, Travelogue). It's as if they write that about her voice because they think they're supposed to. Yes of course the voice is affected by years of smoking (no doubt!) but on Shine, the effects are modest. One must assume that Joni's claim that she rehabbed the voice through rest and larynx decompression is true. Something certainly worked. Some great singing on this album. So...it's time for me to eat some (black) crow. When Travelogue was released, I said Joni's singing days were over and the cigs were to blame. I was wrong! How often do I admit that?! Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:03:37 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... Yeah it was one Ashara who dragged me to her concert in Kerrville that turned me on to her, now I get the great pleasure of challenging the 20's class at church with her lovely music. I started the class by having them do a critical analysis of "Shine" which was great. I'm calling the class "12 Steps to detoxification of Christian fundamentalism" They had to admit that they were Fundamentalist first, that being the first on the road to recovery and the election is only 12 months away (which i'm already f#&king tired of hearing about.). Were following this class up with "Paul's not as big an asshole as you think he is." Peace, Craig NP: Eliza Gilkyson - Bellarosa - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Happy The Man" Cc: "Catherine McKay" ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... > Yeah. Another Susan Werner fan. I was turned on to her by Sharon Goldberg > (from whom we haven't heard a peep, lately.) > > Jerry > > Happy The Man wrote: >> Catherine, >> >> I have enjoyed this little ditty from Susan Werner: >> >> [.] Our Father (The New, Revised Edition) >> Thy kingdom come to every nation >> Thy will be done in everything we do >> Lord, lead us not into temptation >> And deliver us >> from those who think they're You >> >> Lord send us forth to be of service >> To build the schools and dig the wells >> And deliver us from the creepy preachers >> With their narrow minds and very wide lapels >> >> Lord give us strength to bring compassion >> to every corner of the world >> And please allow for women in the Catholic priesthood >> And remind the pope that he coulda been a girl >> >> Lord deliver us from politicians >> Who drop Your name in every speech >> As if they're Your best friend from high school >> As if they practice what they preach >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Catherine McKay" >> To: ; >> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 5:35 PM >> Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... >> >> >>> --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Religion is a human attempt at making sense of a >>>> reality too big for our >>>> little human minds to fully comprehend... just like >>>> fairy tales are an >>>> attempt to relate big people realities in little >>>> stories to children. If there >>>> weren't people there'd be no religion; just like if >>>> there weren't children >>>> there wouldn't be fairy tales. >>>> >>>> Religion in my opinion is a human thing, and to >>>> cast it all off, to >>>> condemn it by focusing only on the corruption and >>>> bad rather than seeing the >>>> human beauty, the art, in it is not very tolerant. >>>> Yin without the yang and the >>>> ball don't roll. >>>> >>> >>> I think it's possible to have a religion, or a >>> philosophy, of life that tries to explain the point of >>> it all without the bureaucracy attached. I guess my >>> main grip with the catholic church (a gripe that can >>> be applied to many other religions, but my personal >>> experience is with the RC church) is that, each time >>> the believer tries to see the things about the faith >>> that are beautiful, they are slapped back into reality >>> by fundamentalist types imposing too many ridiculous >>> rules about what is and isn't OK to believe in, about >>> who can/can't say mass, and so on. >>> >>> I've known a lot of religious Catholic people who were >>> wonderful, caring open-minded individuals who embraced >>> other beliefs and faiths as easily as they did their >>> own and saw them all as equally valid, but then there >>> are the rule-setting petty-minded little tyrants who >>> want to impose their own narrow views on everyone. And >>> those are the ones who want to slap down anyone who >>> tries to be more liberal-minded. >>> >>> And then they get ridiculous with the "mysteries" of >>> the church - such as, when the priest consecrates the >>> bread and wine, he is *literally* turning it into the >>> body and blood of Jesus, which is foolish, illogical >>> and, let's face it, cannibalistic and gross. >>> >>> I can get beautiful concepts and philosophies from >>> many sources and I love reading myths from many >>> cultures and religions and, despite being agnostic, I >>> certainly do love the *idea* of a god or goddess of >>> some kind, but ultimately, I believe that whatever is >>> godly lies within us all. >>> >>> I am quite sure that the abusers are a small minority, >>> but it's the petty-mindedness and literal >>> interpretations of bible text by some of the >>> priesthood and the faithful that drives me crazy. >>> There's a lot of art and beauty in that faith, as >>> there are in many faiths, but it's undermined by the >>> other foolishness. >>> >>> And it's just too male-dominated for my liking. Let >>> them elect a pope (or would that be a Big Mama?) who >>> is female and under 80 and maybe I'll pay attention. >>> >>> >>> Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:47:09 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: SJC. Zenith to nadir and back Greetings Joni pals, October has been a wild month. On Oct 4th my favorite fingerstyle guitarist, the nonpareil Australian Tommy Emmanuel came to San Diego for two nights to play a concert (night one) and give a workshop(night two). I'd never seen him live before but have marveled at his playing for years. I went the second night to the workshop and sat with 25 other guitarists, their high-end axes slung over their shoulders, watching and listening in awe and asking questions of the master. He said that growing up his musical influences were not guitarists but singer songwriters, for their melodic innovation, and named Joni as one of them. At the end he invited anyone to come up and play, which of course made everyone shrivel in timidity. I decided to go for it and asked if he'd like to play a Joni tune. So I suggested we play BSN as I have an instrumental fingerstyle arrangement worked up and he was delighted. So there we were playing BSN acoustically to a room full of hotshot players, just me and God (no offence to any believers on the list) and he's killing me with improvised virtuosity while I'm trying to keep it together. If I say so myself, I sounded good, and Tommy gave me all kinds of compliments afterwards for my arrangement and chord voicings. I told him afterwards that had been one of the highlights of my life and he said he hoped we could do it again some time. I buzzed for two weeks. That was the zenith of the month. Last Monday we were evacuated from the wildfires in Fallbrook as they were raging all around us and wiped out over 500 homes in our little town of 40,000. According to Google maps the fire perimeter came up to out fence. Our house is 120 years old and a wooden tinderbox surrounded by huge sycamores with bone dry leaves. In other words a roman candle above a can of gas. Our chances of the place (house and recording studio) surviving were basically nil. We tried to get updates online but really couldn't find accurate info. The nadir of the month for sure, if not the decade. Today we find our place survived unscathed, although surrounded by massive fires for three days, and we hope to be allowed back in by tomorrow. If I were a religious man, I'd say the prayers of our friends both known and unknown, including many of you, made the difference. Thanks you all for your kind thoughts and best wishes. Even though much of the neighborhood is probably a black moonscape our 17 acres came out with nary a bruise. Today is another zenith. love to all of you, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:42:31 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: SJC. Zenith to nadir and back Dave, I have a sister in Encinitas. She and her husband were glued to the TV listening to news reports for three days. When they heard on Monday night that one of the fires had travelled 40 miles overnight to El Rancho (?) (8 miles away from them), they packed up their cars with all their valuables, prepared to evacuate at a moment's notice. She said she has never been so scared in all her life and that it was weird trying to decide what to try to save. They didn't have to evacuate in the end, but both of them are very tired and stressed and also sad for all of the people who have lost their homes. I am glad for your good fortune in escaping with your 120 year old home intact. I hope some of your trees survived, too, and I hope you can move back in soon. Joni should write at least one song about this tragedy. All the best to you, Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Blackburn" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: SJC. Zenith to nadir and back > Last Monday we were evacuated from the wildfires in Fallbrook as they > were raging all around us and wiped out over 500 homes in our little > town of 40,000. According to Google maps the fire perimeter came up > to out fence. Our house is 120 years old and a wooden tinderbox > surrounded by huge sycamores with bone dry leaves. In other words a > roman candle above a can of gas. Our chances of the place (house and > recording studio) surviving were basically nil. We tried to get > updates online but really couldn't find accurate info. The nadir of > the month for sure, if not the decade. > > Today we find our place survived unscathed, although surrounded by > massive fires for three days, and we hope to be allowed back in by > tomorrow. If I were a religious man, I'd say the prayers of our > friends both known and unknown, including many of you, made the > difference. Thanks you all for your kind thoughts and best wishes. > Even though much of the neighborhood is probably a black moonscape > our 17 acres came out with nary a bruise. Today is another zenith. > > > love to all of you, > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:30:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerry Subject: Re: Blender Magazine - Shine Review and one more thing! Bob wrote: ...I would agree that Joni is being a little hypocritical and criticizing people just because their habits and/or vices are different from hers. Now me (or should I say Maude?): "....but then again, consistency is not really a human trait." - ---Harold and Maude :>) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:43:23 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: SJC. Zenith to nadir and back -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Dave Blackburn > Today we find our place survived unscathed, although surrounded by > massive fires for three days, and we hope to be allowed back in by > tomorrow. If I were a religious man, I'd say the prayers of our > friends both known and unknown, including many of you, made the > difference. Thanks you all for your kind thoughts and best wishes. > Even though much of the neighborhood is probably a black moonscape > our 17 acres came out with nary a bruise. Today is another zenith. Glad to hear you came out relatively unscathed. I was reading about these fires and that it's been determined that some of them were deliberately set. The thought that anyone would intentionally set such overwhelming devastation in motion is mindboggling to say the least. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:15:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Blender Magazine - Shine Review - The voice > I am kind of ticked off with the reviewers who talk about Joni's smoky voice on Shine.< The phrase smoky voice is a common one, often having nothing to do with whether someone smokes or not ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:47:50 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Hi Patti Thx for the links in your email - that last one with the Neil Young song is really great - because on the left frame you can link to an EXTENSIVE list of antiwar, peace and political music being produced by a wide range of artists. Highly recommend folks check it out. I have bought the new NY CD and have tix for his sold out run of 6 consecutive gigs here in NYC in early Dec. I won't see you on Sat in Boston as I'm in the NYC march. But I hope you can get some righteous singing going. B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:14:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: 'River' Review/Herbie Hancock - The voice Bryan wrote: >Subject: Re: Blender Magazine - Shine Review >Of course, smoking is a terrible addictive habit. But in my opinion, Joni's voice has never been better than it is on Shine. I am kind of ticked off with the reviewers who talk about Joni's smoky voice on Shine. Anyone who has listened through the years (all the way through) will quickly discern that her voice on Shine is vastly improved over the last couple of newly recorded CDs (BSN and, especially, Travelogue). It's as if they write that about her voice because they think they're supposed to. Yes of course the voice is affected by years of smoking (no doubt!) but on Shine, the effects are modest. One must assume that Joni's claim that she rehabbed the voice through rest and larynx decompression is true. Something certainly worked. Some great singing on this album. So...it's time for me to eat some (black) crow. When Travelogue was released, I said Joni's singing days were over and the cigs were to blame. I was wrong! How often do I admit that?! Bryan Oh, and what about Joni's voice on The Tea Leaf Prophecy on the joni letters? Absolutely stunning! Unbelievably beautiful what Joni, Herbie and Larry did with the arrangement. I can feel ALL of those private passions and secret storms. Such beauty always humbles me, like when I stare at the vastness and the power and might of the ocean from the beach. jean NPIMH: ~~Papa brought home the sugar~~Mama taught me the deeper meaning~~ nj Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:14:21 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Announcing....Northeast Jonifest 2008!! Drum roll..........The moment you've all been waiting for!! Thanks to the AMAZING Mr. Les Irvin, database fixer extraordinaire, the Jonifest webpages are updated and the sign ups are ready to go!! This year's Fest will be Thursday, April 3, 2008, the unofficial start for those wishing to settle in to Full Moon a day early to relax, connect with people, and do some musical jamming, and the Official Time: Friday, April 4, 2:00 PM through Monday, April 7th, 11:00 AM 2008 WHERE: The Full Moon Alternative Resort and Conference Center, Oliverea, NY For anyone new to Jonifest, there are pages of information and FAQ's (Frequently Asked Questions) on the Jonifest pages. In short, Jonifest is a FABULOUS weekend, full of camaraderie, music, and connection to other Joni lovers from around the world. We have a great raffle filled with lots of Joni related things, great food, and lots and lots and LOTS of music! (No, you don't have to be a musician to attend.) And everyone, please note that there is NO camping or yurt availability that time of year, so once the rooms fill, which I expect it to do very quickly, I will start a waiting list. If you have any questions about Jonifest, e-mail me privately and I will get back to you as soon as I can. So...head over to: _http://jmdl.com/jonifest/_ (http://jmdl.com/jonifest/) (http://www.jonifest.com/) and sign up TODAY!!! Hugs, Ashara ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:24:00 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: Hi Patti ===> back to October 27th Barbara wrote: "Thx for the links in your email - that last one with the Neil Young song is really great - because on the left frame you can link to an EXTENSIVE list of antiwar, peace and political music being produced by a wide range of artists. Highly recommend folks check it out." Yes, don't you love it? Here it is encore une fois for anyone who missed it: http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/ And here is something else. Oddmund, dear, make sure to watch this one: Melissa Etheridge singing "What Happens Tomorrow".....maybe you'll hear her do this at the Nobel Peace Prize concert! http://www.rosie.com/blog/2007/10/04/i-believe/ Back to Barbara: "I won't see you on Sat in Boston as I'm in the NYC march. But I hope you can get some righteous singing going." And the more voices on it, the better! You know what's sad, though, for me? Some of my friends are *afraid* to go because they are on visas. They are afraid of the immigration man -- that if they go home for Christmas, they may not get back into this country. Ach du Lieber...what a sorry face you get to wear these days. Not this friend though: "That's great. Let's meet there. What would even be better: If there were so many people that we wouldn't find each other in the masses. Then we always have cellphones. My number is xxxxxxxx. Regarding transportation, I think I'll simply take my bike if it's not raining. I live about 20 minutes (by bike) away from the meeting point ;-) Peace, S." The bad news is that it IS supposed to rain, with high winds. Merde! It doesn't bother me a bit, but I know it will keep our numbers down. What cruel irony that it rains on our peace parade, when California needs it so badly. I wish we could box it up and send it to California. (Note to DAVE: I am soooo happy your home was spared! Allelluia!!! What a miracle!) Good luck in NYC, Barbara. I'll be covering Boston. But what about Chicago, Salt Lake City, Jonesborough, Philadelphia, San Francisco, The City of the Fallen Angels, New Orleans, Seattle and Orlando? Any JMDLers planning to march? (Oops....uh oh! OLQD strikes again: "Truckin'" keeps poppin' into my head whenever I see this list of cities...you know...."Chicago Detroit New York and it's all the same street..." ) Peace and bon courage, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:09:40 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Liars & Neil download In a message dated 10/24/07 3:00:57 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: BYT (2007) > > let alone play all the instruments? > Answer: none.> > > Unless you count Todd Rundgren (whose "Liars" is still one of my favorite > albums of the century). He could (and does) perform this task with ease. > Wow, Bob! I didn't realize how much you loved that Todd album. And I, on the other hand, am a lifelong Todd fan who didn't like that album... guess I'll have to dig it out and give it another chance. And thanks for the Neil download of Sugar Mountain (live). I got the Chrome Dreams II CD as a gift for buying a ticket to see Neil at Wallingford (in Dec) and I'm still getting into it. Very listenable so far but I haven't played it all the way through. Kenny B ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:12:16 -0400 From: Coleen Subject: Fiddle and Drum - new link Hi all, , Unfortunately, the limewire files were corrupted. Here's a link to yousendit: http://www.yousendit.com/download/www/K2NhcmxRaFJOMURIRGc9PQ Coleen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:21:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Jenny's progress, Jim - thanks for leaving it to me to say that Jenny has included a Joni cover on her CD, and not just ANY Joni cover, but the FIRST EVER cover of "The Arrangement". Can't wait to hear it. Thanks Jenny. Bob, removing the NJC per the above NP: Ben Folds, "Trusted" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:32:01 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: incredibly dumb question Yes, Feist's song is called "1234". >>1, 2, 3, 4, nine and ten>> She may not know how to count but she's not a dope. David Dye had her back on "The World Cafe" this week. Listen at: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14796003 Jim L'Hommedieu, in Ohio Aleda >I thought that that woman who sang on the promo for the new Nano was Lily Allen. Now I'm learning it's someone named Feist, whom I've heard about from discussion on this group. Am I right?> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:48:38 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Subject: incredibly dumb question Feist said, >>1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, nine and ten>> Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:58:18 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: San Diego Fires Hi, all. I've only had time to glance at a few digests, but I did see Kakki was worried about us here. Thank God, all is fine in our area. We were just south of the fires (Rancho Bernardo is two towns north of us) so we were very lucky. Again. (For the fires three years ago in Scripps Ranch, that is one town east of us.) We did leave on Monday night just thinking we might need to be out of here should they announce an evacuation. Luckily we had a place to stay. We came back yesterday and although it's smoky and ashy, it's fine. The whole thing is paralyzing and unbelievable. On Tuesday I just stared at the TV for about 12 hours. Thank you all for your concern. Anyone heard from Dave Blackburn (who lives in Fallbrook?) I sent him an email to check up on him and Robin today but haven't heard. Lindsay ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #338 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)