From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #334 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 22 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 334 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- another favourite intro ["Pamela" ] Re: His Story SJC ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Shine favorite/least favorite [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Vancouver [Michael Paz ] calling on Ms. Parlette [Kate Johnson ] Re: calling on Ms. Parlette [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Vancouver [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: His Story SJC [Jeannie ] Re: Vancouver [Jeannie ] Re: Vancouver [Michael Paz ] Re: His Story SJC [Jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:39:18 +0200 From: "Pamela" Subject: another favourite intro Hi! my favourite intro is the one in Cotton Avenue in DJRD...it's great! and that is also the intro that "INTROduced" me in the Joni Mitchell's world 2 years and a half ago!!! Listening to DJRD brings me back memories of that period, when I didn't know Joni at all but she would became soon an important part of my life... thanks to a friend of mine that lent me the cd! it has changed my life. Love, pamela ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:09:41 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: His Story SJC Margaret Thatcher didn't start a war or caused genocide. But she took 40,000 families apart when she destroyed the UK coal industry. (The affected communities took many years to recover). She ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano (3,000 souls) at the beginning of the Faulkland Island conflict. Took away free school milk before she even became Prime Minister. No-one can say that she was being manipulated by men and not be laughed at. She was tougher than any man in her cabinet at any time. Not exactly peaceful and nurturing. Of course you can't draw any useful conclusions from one woman's actions; you've probably got to be a tough son/daughter-of-a-bitch to succeed in politics in the first place. Martin. In London. > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:06:59 +0200 > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: SV: His Story SJC > > Let me ask another (rhetorical!) question: is there any queen in history > under whose reign there wasn't a war or other violent actions? You could > say > that women in power are still subject to men in power but that's just a > little too simple. Women like queen Elizabeth I and queen Christina of > Sweden certainly did have minds of their own and real power. What I am > trying to say is that we cannot know if women are more peaceful "by > nature" > than men. There has not been a society yet in which women in sufficiently > large numbers had enough power to act in ways different from men's ways in > politics. Hence we do not know if women in power would not start wars. It > would depend on the kind of society they would be able to create. > Marion > > - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Eric > Taylor > Skickat: den 21 oktober 2007 09:09 > Till: jmdl > Dmne: His Story SJC > > Just a little comment on "men love war, is that what history/God is for?" > Just the sound of it shakes my soul. > ~A mass murder mystery, history, his story.~ > I likewise concluded that long ago. > Can anyone here name one woman who started a war or caused genocide? > Besides OK Ann Cunter...??? > Oh lord I'm in trouble now! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:26:55 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Shine favorite/least favorite Jim, this is one of my peeves too. What I hate even more is motorcyclists riding between the cars and then jump in front of you. They should not be allowed to ride between lanes and keep the same distance as cars. Whenever I pull up at a red light, a motorcycle weaves through the traffic and pulls up in front of me. Like 2 feet in front of me. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:05:51 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... Thank you, Catherine for that insight on the racial/religious situation in Canada. I found it fascinating. I had some idea but you really put it in perspective for me and I didn't really relate it to Joni's experience much before. The truth is, Joni is a product of Canadian culture and it surely must influence her writing. So, is Saskatchewan mainly a Protestant province? I would assume there are a lot of Lutherans there, having a large northern European population. I am fairly ignorant to religions as I was raised in a strict atheist household. I never learned much about the various religions growing up. The Catholic family across the road from us always scared me a little because they had so many kids (9) and their house was always so dirty. This is the impression that was left on me. They had an aunt who sometimes visited who was a nun and I never understood what nuns were but they treated her with such reverence. I just tried to avoid her. I guess these religious differences have been an influence in the history of every country and weaves its way through the politics too. The two major political parties in Australia - Liberal and Labor have apparently always been aligned with either the Catholics (Labor) or the Protestants (Liberal) and some states have traditionally been more Protestant than Catholic. It's all so foreign to me but it affects my day to day life. Whenever I was curious about religion, my mother always had the same stock answer; "It's all just fairytales". I have never read the Bible or any other religious text so, I'm quite in the dark about some of Joni's references. Thanks to The Magdelene Laundries and a newspaper article I read, I know something about that incident. Joni has taught me a lot. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:40:08 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Worst Shine review! Michel BYRNE wrote: >> Brace yourselves for what has to be the meanest review of Shine yet (in fact of any JM album in a long time?). 'The Dissing of Summer Lawns - is Joni Mitchell ever going to cheer up' In the British magazine 'Word', the same that had featured an interview with Joni months ago. What's infuriating isnt that the writer didn't like the album, but that even though there was no lack of space (this is spread over TWO pages) he gives readers so little information about the actual music, as if he'd only given it one listen. It's all mostly a rant about her self-righteousness and arrogance as a member of the '70s rock aristocracy. No mention of track 1, no mention of Iguana, a bizarre gripe about hidden tracks: 'If' coming in after 2 minutes of silence??? Not on my CD. (Is there a special edition?) Sorry guys, I'm furious - why can't these assholes do their job? M << Perhaps if Joni was not so articulate and didn't include her lyrics with the CD then some people would like her music much more. IMO most people don't want to contemplate reality and just seek vulgar entertainment, stuck in the past. Few face the present and future with a genius like Joni. Some accuse her of focusing on "negativity" whereas I see her taking our bullshit and transforming it into works of immortal beauty. ET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:25:17 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Vancouver Hi All from Vancouver Island- Does anyone know the the exact area where Joni has her place here? I would love to see the general area. I am off tomorrow and I am suppose to get together with my old pal Yael tomorrow. We are suppose to go to a Blueberry Farm and have a cook out and party a bit. This area of the world is so beautiful. I would love to spend some more time up here. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:32:54 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: calling on Ms. Parlette And anyone else who cares to take a stab at it ... I want to sing the message on my answering machine, using lyrics from one of Joni's songs ... what lines might I consider? Kate of the North - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:54:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: calling on Ms. Parlette Well if you DON'T want people to leave any messages, you can always say, "hang up the phone, it hurts." -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Kate Johnson wrote: And anyone else who cares to take a stab at it ... I want to sing the message on my answering machine, using lyrics from one of Joni's songs ... what lines might I consider? Kate of the North - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:52:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Vancouver Hey there. Make sure you tell us how Vancouver is! I'm supposed to visit there next summer. I can't wait! All I know is that Joni's place is just north of Vancouver, somewhere on the "Sunshine Coast." Perhaps someone else could be of more assistance to you to get a more specific location... -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Michael Paz wrote: Hi All from Vancouver Island- Does anyone know the the exact area where Joni has her place here? I would love to see the general area. I am off tomorrow and I am suppose to get together with my old pal Yael tomorrow. We are suppose to go to a Blueberry Farm and have a cook out and party a bit. This area of the world is so beautiful. I would love to spend some more time up here. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: His Story SJC It's true what you say about Thatcher. I hadn't thought of that. Then I thought of Janet Reno, too. Just-Ice type of women--cold hearted--just like stone commissions in a park. Witch hunters from a bitter bitches brew. Jean NP: Sweet Bird~~Herbie Hancock Martin Giles wrote: Margaret Thatcher didn't start a war or caused genocide. But she took 40,000 families apart when she destroyed the UK coal industry. (The affected communities took many years to recover). She ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano (3,000 souls) at the beginning of the Faulkland Island conflict. Took away free school milk before she even became Prime Minister. No-one can say that she was being manipulated by men and not be laughed at. She was tougher than any man in her cabinet at any time. Not exactly peaceful and nurturing. Of course you can't draw any useful conclusions from one woman's actions; you've probably got to be a tough son/daughter-of-a-bitch to succeed in politics in the first place. Martin. In London. > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:06:59 +0200 > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: SV: His Story SJC > > Let me ask another (rhetorical!) question: is there any queen in history > under whose reign there wasn't a war or other violent actions? You could > say > that women in power are still subject to men in power but that's just a > little too simple. Women like queen Elizabeth I and queen Christina of > Sweden certainly did have minds of their own and real power. What I am > trying to say is that we cannot know if women are more peaceful "by > nature" > than men. There has not been a society yet in which women in sufficiently > large numbers had enough power to act in ways different from men's ways in > politics. Hence we do not know if women in power would not start wars. It > would depend on the kind of society they would be able to create. > Marion > > - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Eric > Taylor > Skickat: den 21 oktober 2007 09:09 > Till: jmdl > Dmne: His Story SJC > > Just a little comment on "men love war, is that what history/God is for?" > Just the sound of it shakes my soul. > ~A mass murder mystery, history, his story.~ > I likewise concluded that long ago. > Can anyone here name one woman who started a war or caused genocide? > Besides OK Ann Cunter...??? > Oh lord I'm in trouble now! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:33:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Vancouver I'd go to the Cannibis Cafe and have fun tonight. I think it's down Hastings way. Jean Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: Hey there. Make sure you tell us how Vancouver is! I'm supposed to visit there next summer. I can't wait! All I know is that Joni's place is just north of Vancouver, somewhere on the "Sunshine Coast." Perhaps someone else could be of more assistance to you to get a more specific location... - -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Michael Paz wrote: Hi All from Vancouver Island- Does anyone know the the exact area where Joni has her place here? I would love to see the general area. I am off tomorrow and I am suppose to get together with my old pal Yael tomorrow. We are suppose to go to a Blueberry Farm and have a cook out and party a bit. This area of the world is so beautiful. I would love to spend some more time up here. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:29:05 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Vancouver Thanks Monika. Full report coming. I will try to make it the Sunshine Coast tomorrow. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:52 PM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: Hey there. Make sure you tell us how Vancouver is! I'm supposed to visit there next summer. I can't wait! All I know is that Joni's place is just north of Vancouver, somewhere on the "Sunshine Coast." Perhaps someone else could be of more assistance to you to get a more specific location... -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Michael Paz wrote: Hi All from Vancouver Island- Does anyone know the the exact area where Joni has her place here? I would love to see the general area. I am off tomorrow and I am suppose to get together with my old pal Yael tomorrow. We are suppose to go to a Blueberry Farm and have a cook out and party a bit. This area of the world is so beautiful. I would love to spend some more time up here. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: His Story SJC I just remembered that Anne Coulter's another cold one from the same barrel of that bitter bitches' brew. Jeannie wrote: It's true what you say about Thatcher. I hadn't thought of that. Then I thought of Janet Reno, too. Just-Ice type of women--cold hearted--just like stone commissions in a park. Witch hunters from a bitter bitches brew. Jean NP: Sweet Bird~~Herbie Hancock Martin Giles wrote: Margaret Thatcher didn't start a war or caused genocide. But she took 40,000 families apart when she destroyed the UK coal industry. (The affected communities took many years to recover). She ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano (3,000 souls) at the beginning of the Faulkland Island conflict. Took away free school milk before she even became Prime Minister. No-one can say that she was being manipulated by men and not be laughed at. She was tougher than any man in her cabinet at any time. Not exactly peaceful and nurturing. Of course you can't draw any useful conclusions from one woman's actions; you've probably got to be a tough son/daughter-of-a-bitch to succeed in politics in the first place. Martin. In London. > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:06:59 +0200 > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: SV: His Story SJC > > Let me ask another (rhetorical!) question: is there any queen in history > under whose reign there wasn't a war or other violent actions? You could > say > that women in power are still subject to men in power but that's just a > little too simple. Women like queen Elizabeth I and queen Christina of > Sweden certainly did have minds of their own and real power. What I am > trying to say is that we cannot know if women are more peaceful "by > nature" > than men. There has not been a society yet in which women in sufficiently > large numbers had enough power to act in ways different from men's ways in > politics. Hence we do not know if women in power would not start wars. It > would depend on the kind of society they would be able to create. > Marion > > - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Eric > Taylor > Skickat: den 21 oktober 2007 09:09 > Till: jmdl > Dmne: His Story SJC > > Just a little comment on "men love war, is that what history/God is for?" > Just the sound of it shakes my soul. > ~A mass murder mystery, history, his story.~ > I likewise concluded that long ago. > Can anyone here name one woman who started a war or caused genocide? > Besides OK Ann Cunter...??? > Oh lord I'm in trouble now! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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