From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #328 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 17 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 328 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Lucky NEasters Heads Up [Michael Paz ] Lucky NEasters Heads Up [Michael Paz ] Re: online site for learning music theory [jeannie ] Re: The way I see it, Shine... [jeannie ] re: FW: question from website/Passion Play [c Karma ] re: FW: question from website/Passion Play [c Karma ] Re: Lucky NEasters Heads Up -- John Kelly 11/1/07 [Smurf ] Re: Amelia ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Amelia [Em ] Re: Another English lesson : A Case of You [Mark-Leon Thorne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:46:47 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Lucky NEasters Heads Up Hi All Got a few emails from our friend John Kelly who is doing a "Paved Paradise: Redux" in Boston in a couple of weeks. I would love to see his show live. It was such an honor for me to share the stage with him in NYC last year. Hope you guys are all able to go. Take me in spirit. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:46:47 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Lucky NEasters Heads Up Hi All Got a few emails from our friend John Kelly who is doing a "Paved Paradise: Redux" in Boston in a couple of weeks. I would love to see his show live. It was such an honor for me to share the stage with him in NYC last year. Hope you guys are all able to go. Take me in spirit. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:51:42 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: online site for learning music theory Laura, thanks for this link. Love, Jean LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: http://www.musictheory.net/index.html ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:04:59 +0800 (CST) From: rian afriadi Subject: Jericho vs Love or Money i wonder why "Jericho" was re-recorded while "Love or Money" wasn't. Any idea? I don't have DJRD (i can't find the CD in my country) I listen 2 Jericho (DJRD version) only when i'm online, via streaming audio. i try to compare Jericho from Miles of Aisles w/ from DJRD. And i think, Miles of Aisles version is better. NP. Jericho (Miles of Aisles) _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: The way I see it, Shine... I know there could never be another, Blue. My sister must have to know it, too, and that's why I said, "Pardon me," in a confused and upset sort of way. She was all complaints about everything Sunday night maybe because she was doing last minute lesson plans. She complained about the synth sound in Shine. She complained about the absence of love songs. She complained that Joni's not playing her guitar enough. Besides, she one of those that dwells on fear and the worst case scenarios in everything that could be, especially during these troubled times, she knows we are in. So, Shine is just a little too much for her and the girls and her handsome, but nerdy husband and I think they got paranoid with Shine's lyrics. My sister's a science teacher geek. Her daughters are really beautiful girls, physically, emotionally and spiritually. But she's passed that fear/nervous energy on to the girls. I see beauty around the corner, they see fear. They dig their heads in the sand. As a family, they're into baseball, big time and attend games here and out of town. As students they're into honor roll, volleyball, soccer, cheerleading, basketball, and you name it. Now, they're just starting to skate after all those cutey golden Reggies, chasing those dreamy white lace wedding gowns, especially now, that my youngest sister who's 30 years old, is getting her wedding organized and my nieces are those two special bridemaids and the youngest, the flower girl and all three are very enthusiatically involved in the planning stages. Their mother is frantic about those Golden Reggies, coming round the girls and she actually told me, "I'd rather have three lesbian daughters than have to go through this boyfriend shit, at least until their mid-30's, because I don't any boys disrupting their studies." But back to music, yes, Michael, they do have favorite musical singers, like Fergie, Beyonce, Rhiana, and Joni. But, Blue is their favorite album, I swear. My sister recently went with the girls to a Beyonce concert and she called me from there frustrated just to ask me, "Why in the hell doesn't Joni tour? I can't take this glitter shit." I couldn't stop laughing for about an hour that my face muscles got tired and my abs got sore. She's a sweet, true soul with a foul mouth which pisses off my mother. She just wants another Blue to take her and her family away to places concerning the pleasures and pain that come with the silky veils of ardor. I understand where she's coming from. Jeannie PS: My sister was on today's paper because two of her Catholic school students were among Discovery Channel's, 'America's Top Scientist' finalists (first time ever for any San Antonio students) and she's pissy that she may have to attend an all expense paid trip to Washington, DC. Don't get me wrong, she's so proud of her students, but she won't dare go without her daughters, so she's trying to get the mothers of the finalists to go, with thousands of instructions. Besides, she's too busy so many things and believes the parents should be the ones involved. Bye, now, Michael and all who read this! Have a good afternnon! Michael Flaherty wrote: jeannie wrote: >> Joni'll come up with something, sooner or later, for fair and tender maidens, maybe." Time will tell, Jeannie, but to be honest, I doubt it. Don't get me wrong, I think there's a lot on later Joni for young people to listen to, but the majority are going to want to find their own heroes from their own generation. Certainly, an album like Blue has themes that cut across the generations, but I'm not sure the lives of tender maidens (specically) are in Joni's thoughts these days. ;) Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. - --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:38:42 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: FW: question from website/Passion Play Oh this once again opens Pandora's box to interpret one of Joni's most enigmatic lyric. From: Scott Loveall [wookie99@verizon.net] Perhaps you know this or know of an article where it is discussed. In Passion Play (When All the Slaves are Free) Joni writes: Enter the multitudes In Exxon blue In radiation rose Apathy Now you tell me Who you gonna get to do the dirty work When all the slaves are free? Is it known what the colors reference and to whom the slave reference is inferred. I presumed the colors to be colors of the togas/tunics of the day. A friend thinks Oil and Nuclear weapons in the middle east as this was released around the first Iraq/Kuwait war. It has baffled me for some time and none of my more religious acquaintances can decipher it. Thanks, Scott For years I've posted that I've considered the colors to be nothing but Joni's shorthand to describe them succinctly. Exxon blue: a cool purplish blue and radiation rose: a searingly bright salmon. Either way, as colors they seem polar opposites. Perhaps an art student could confirm. Recently I've started to consider "Passion Play" a companion piece to "Come In From The Cold." In doing so, I've begun to read the "In radiation rose" as an active sentence structure. The word "rose" is thus a verb in the past tense, meaning 'did rise.' Since it repeats, it can be interpreted, "In (through) radiation rose ecstasy, misery apathy, and tragedy. This would certainly make the context appropriate for the life she references in 1957, the nuclear age. These incendiary references would also link to the "edifying fire" she echoes in "Come In From The Cold." Conversely, the background vocal from "Come In", "you were so kind, so kind" reflects back "never before was a man so kind, never so redeeming." Other verses in "Come In From The Cold" also reference slavery (professional indenture) and describe a personal salvation much as she describes Mary Magdalene's in "Passion Play." That's my two (maybe three, now) cents. CC _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:39:37 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: FW: question from website/Passion Play Oh this once again opens Pandora's box to interpret one of Joni's most enigmatic lyric. From: Scott Loveall [wookie99@verizon.net] Perhaps you know this or know of an article where it is discussed. In Passion Play (When All the Slaves are Free) Joni writes: Enter the multitudes In Exxon blue In radiation rose Apathy Now you tell me Who you gonna get to do the dirty work When all the slaves are free? Is it known what the colors reference and to whom the slave reference is inferred. I presumed the colors to be colors of the togas/tunics of the day. A friend thinks Oil and Nuclear weapons in the middle east as this was released around the first Iraq/Kuwait war. It has baffled me for some time and none of my more religious acquaintances can decipher it. Thanks, Scott For years I've posted that I've considered the colors to be nothing but Joni's shorthand to describe them succinctly. Exxon blue: a cool purplish blue and radiation rose: a searingly bright salmon. Either way, as colors they seem polar opposites. Perhaps an art student could confirm. Recently I've started to consider "Passion Play" a companion piece to "Come In From The Cold." In doing so, I've begun to read the "In radiation rose" as an active sentence structure. The word "rose" is thus a verb in the past tense, meaning 'did rise.' Since it repeats, it can be interpreted, "In (through) radiation rose ecstasy, misery apathy, and tragedy. This would certainly make the context appropriate for the life she references in 1957, the nuclear age. These incendiary references would also link to the "edifying fire" she echoes in "Come In From The Cold." Conversely, the background vocal from "Come In", "you were so kind, so kind" reflects back "never before was a man so kind, never so redeeming." Other verses in "Come In From The Cold" also reference slavery (professional indenture) and describe a personal salvation much as she describes Mary Magdalene's in "Passion Play." That's my two (maybe three, now) cents. CC _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Lucky NEasters Heads Up -- John Kelly 11/1/07 Here's the info: http://www.goldstarevents.com/events/boston-ma/paved-paradise-the-songs-of-joni-mitchell.html?id=15360;ref=sub551096;mar=news4656 - --Smurf - --- Michael Paz wrote: > Hi All > Got a few emails from our friend John Kelly who is > doing a "Paved > Paradise: Redux" in Boston in a couple of weeks. I > would love to see > his show live. It was such an honor for me to share > the stage with > him in NYC last year. Hope you guys are all able to > go. Take me in > spirit. > > Best > > Paz > > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:50:45 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Car On A Hill...(long) From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" <<< I've also got to say I enjoy the entire melody of the song and particularly the vocal melody of the passages I highlighted. >>> Back in April you asked which song intros of Joni's we all enjoyed and I commented on how much I love the little drum beat intro to Car on a Hill. This has long been one of my favorite songs by Joni. I love the fullness of the sound and the choral effects along with the rich sound of the cymbals throughout. It is definitely a rhythmically-driven piece and full of juicy licks. Joni's lyrics have always put me in awe of her modern-day poet talent, she has a way of turning a phrase that drives home the meaning in a way no other words could have conveyed her meaning quite so well. She is brilliant! I love the lyrics from "Down To You" following on the heels of "Car on a Hill" on the album: You go down to the pick up station Craving warmth and beauty You settle for less than fascination A few drinks later you're not so choosy When the closing lights strip off the shadows On this strange new flesh you've found Clutching the night to you like a fig leaf You hurry To the blackness And the blankets To lay down an impression And your loneliness IMO Joni was in the throes of her prolific, profound lyrics when she wrote these songs. That's why I'm finding it so hard to get into Shine. It's not that I don't like what she has to say, or the music, I'm trying to decide if she has said to herself "Fuck it! Look at the lyrics in today's hits, why should *I* bother" or she's realized that the majority of today's listeners don't have the depth to read the deeper meaning in her poetry, it's that short-attention-span-theatre mentality that gives me a headache when I watch films that flick through images so fast I can barely keep up. The word that keeps coming to mind to describe "Shine" for me is... Banal. Warmly, Cassy NP: Joni - The Wolf that lives in Lindsey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:29:39 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Amelia I'll be darned. It's 7 verses! Each one ends with the words "false alarm" but two words can't constitute a chorus. Read the lyric silently as Joni sings it aloud: http://jonimitchell.com/musician/song.cfm?id=Amelia Jim L Joseph in Chapel Hill said in part, >A friend of mine once made a comment that he finds "Amelia" devoid of any musical peaks. That it does not have a recognizable chorus. If I am appropriating him correctly, I guess he means that it is not instinctively hummable (i.e. accessible?). > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Amelia well that album was the beginning of her denying us our musical lollipops. Even tho it offered an a delicious alternative. You know who TOTALLY went by formula?? Early Elton and Bernie...sheesh, 2 verses, bridge, verse, end. :) Em - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I'll be darned. It's 7 verses! Each one ends with the words "false > alarm" > but two words can't constitute a chorus. Read the lyric silently as > Joni > sings it aloud: > http://jonimitchell.com/musician/song.cfm?id=Amelia > > Jim L > > Joseph in Chapel Hill said in part, > >A friend of mine once made a comment that he finds "Amelia" devoid > of any > musical peaks. That it does not have a recognizable chorus. If I am > appropriating him correctly, I guess he means that it is not > instinctively > hummable (i.e. accessible?). > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:01:25 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Another English lesson : A Case of You Hi Rian. Sorry if this question has already been answered but, I lost the use of my computer for several days and am just now catching up on digests. Like much of Joni's wordplays, it is difficult to understand what she is referring to. Even us native English speakers. It is her complex metaphors that keep many people intrigued. A Case of You has been discussed a lot here because it is one of her more complex. Joni is using a case of wine or some other alcoholic beverage as a metaphor for the person who is the subject of the song. If the person is a case of wine, she could drink it all and have no affect. The reason for this is the subject of discussions in the past. I am still not clear on what she is trying to convey. Does this mean that the person no longer has an affect on her? Has the love died? If you drink a case of wine and it has no affect on you, does that mean all potency has gone from it or does it mean that you have built an immunity to it and need something stronger? In the end, the need is the same, I suspect; you must move on. I think A Case of You is a song of farewell. It always struck me as a very sad song. Just one interpretation. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:49:22 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: The way I see it, Shine... Just a quick update on my sister's grappling with Shine. She called me tonight as she was driving home and she was crying. I heard the girls in the background comforting her with, "It's okay, mama! Don't cry! Mama, everything will be fine. Please, mama, don't cry" She was sobbing her heart out. Worried and shaken, the big sister in me came out and in a stern voice, asked her to quit crying and tell me what was wrong. She cried, "No, NJ, it's nothing bad. It's Shine. I popped it into the Cd player and something hit me as I was listening and all of a sudden, I starting crying out of the blue--I can't stop crying, NJ!" I told her, "Baby, cry all you want, but please stop the car and park somewhere if your tears are blurring your vision (she lost vision on her left eye when we were little, leaving it scarred and grey, and that's very difficult and worrisome for me.) She told me she had a box of tissues, she could see. I told her to trust me when it came to Joni, because neither I or Joni would ever lead her astray and made light by bringing up us growing up and doing all the silly things we did with Joni always playing somewhere in the background. Nothing has changed and that we still had each other and all the family. I sensed a smile by her change in speech and told her that Shine is my favorite Joni album of all times and just go home, relax and to trust what Joni shares with us. "I will," she said, Good Night." Jeannie . wrote: I know there could never be another, Blue. My sister must have to know it, too, and that's why I said, "Pardon me," in a confused and upset sort of way. - --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. 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