From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #327 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 16 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 327 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: oh my ["paul meyer-strom" ] Retro Joni Covers, Volume 19 [Bob Muller ] Re: The way I see it, Shine... [Michael Flaherty ] Re: The way I see it, Shine... [jeannie ] The Shake on Shine [William Waddell ] Where have all the fish gone? [David Sapp ] online site for learning music theory [LCStanley7@aol.com] Amelia covers and conversations between Herbie and Wayne [David Sapp ] FW: Message from website [Les Irvin ] RE: Amelia covers and conversations between Herbie and Wayne [Danilo Monn] Re: Amelia covers and conversations between Herbie and Wayne [Victor John] Car On A Hill...(long) [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: oh my SHINE!!! [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Car On A Hill...(long) [Bob Muller ] Joni Photograph Offer [cecelia sonsini ] Re: Car On A Hill...(long) ["Reuben Bell" ] Photo offer - email address [cecelia sonsini ] Re: oh my ["Eric Taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:37:48 -0700 From: "paul meyer-strom" Subject: Re: oh my Eric Taylor wrote: But nothing could prepare me for the masterpiece that is Shine. As I've done ever since Wild Things, I purchased Shine the day it was released. I began sobbing 10 seconds into the first track because I adore her piano playing and have longed to hear more since she stopped playing the piano too many years ago. (Some of you might remember that I am a huge Paprika Plains fan.) I also started sobbing as I listened to that first track. I identify strongly with your note. I am so pleased to be so pleased with Shine. I hope Joni will do another concert tour soon!? paul PS I wonder how many JMDL'ers started sobbing with "One Week Last Summer"? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Retro Joni Covers, Volume 19 Howdy all - as has become my tradition, here is another "catch-up" release of Joni Covers. And you definitely want to check this one out - lots of fun and rare stuff. Here's where you can get it: http://download.yousendit.com/2A834ADE295649DF And here's what's on it: 1. Eva Marie - Caminando Ire (BSN - Spanish language) 2. Terry McCann - The Circle Game 3. Chelsea - Chelsea Morning 4. Godfrey Daniel - Woodstock 5. Kamahl - Both Sides Now 6. Shawn Colvin - Urge For Going 7. Shawn Colvin - Conversation 8. Hugh Masekela - Both Sides Now 9. Mae Robertson - The Circle Game 10. Raison D'Etre - The Last Time I Saw Richard 11. Lydia van Dam - Love 12. Tom Scott - Woodstock 13. Hank & Lewie Wickham - Both Sides Now 14. Lonie Walker - Both Sides Now 15. Guv'ner - Help Me 16. Elaine Lucia - All I Want 17. Mike Henderson - (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care 18. The Pipe Dream - Night In The City Enjoy! Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "The Wish" - --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: The way I see it, Shine... jeannie wrote: >> Joni'll come up with something, sooner or later, for fair and tender maidens, maybe." Time will tell, Jeannie, but to be honest, I doubt it. Don't get me wrong, I think there's a lot on later Joni for young people to listen to, but the majority are going to want to find their own heroes from their own generation. Certainly, an album like Blue has themes that cut across the generations, but I'm not sure the lives of tender maidens (specically) are in Joni's thoughts these days. ;) Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: The way I see it, Shine... Good Morning! I was thinking more on lines, like an album that young girls can identify with. I was thinking last night that I'd get all my Joni albums together and choose the best songs I feel the girls would love tp listen to and ponder on. I'll get some from DJRD, FTR, and something from all the albums. My son shall help me. Thanks! Truly, Jeannie PS; Running late, as usual, behind the times. Bye, now! Michael Flaherty wrote: jeannie wrote: >> Joni'll come up with something, sooner or later, for fair and tender maidens, maybe." Time will tell, Jeannie, but to be honest, I doubt it. Don't get me wrong, I think there's a lot on later Joni for young people to listen to, but the majority are going to want to find their own heroes from their own generation. Certainly, an album like Blue has themes that cut across the generations, but I'm not sure the lives of tender maidens (specically) are in Joni's thoughts these days. ;) Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. - --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:43:25 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: The Shake on Shine To listen to Shine I've had to burn a copy leaving out that taxi song but replacing it with Joni on Herbie's Tea Leaf. Works for me. Of all the Van Gogh songs she could have re-painted, well Big Yellow was the last I'd've chosen. But then she speaks highly of my career. WtS x _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:18:25 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Where have all the fish gone? In 1976 Joni sang: The nets were overflowing In the Gulf of Mexico They were overflowing in the refuge of the roads in 2007 Joni sang: Shine on the fishermen With nothing in their nets very sad but all the more reason to let your light shine... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:26:05 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: online site for learning music theory http://www.musictheory.net/index.html ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Amelia covers and conversations between Herbie and Wayne This is for all you vocalists out there... is Amelia a difficult song to cover? The covers I'm most familiar with are the ones on the Herbie CD and the one by Suzanne Vega at Carnegie Hall and they both sound flat and boring to me. And on another note Herbie must really love Joni and her music because I've never heard him play so tenderly... the conversations between he and Wayne Shorter are so intimate. It seems to me that they represent the duality in Joni's music. The beauty of the piano and the "scratchy staticy" sound that Wayne puts on the saxophone... on the BSN cover the piano is the "somethings gained" and the saxophone is "somethings lost" and then there is that ethereal sounding guitar note flying off into the stratosphere which is the illusion of it all.... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:00:46 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Amelia covers and conversations between Herbie and Wayne I love singing Amelia personally. I guess its a relative question because to me it doesn't seem difficult at all, in fact it has a very natural groove to it but I agree that it's a challenging song to do and should be done with a lot of feeling and passion...I would find it hard to sing without being very expressive. The images are so vivid and clear in my mind. Definitely my favorite song by Joni to sing. Victor On Oct 15, 2007, at 1:13 PM, David Sapp wrote: > This is for all you vocalists out there... is Amelia a difficult > song to cover? The covers I'm most familiar with are the ones on > the Herbie CD and the one by Suzanne Vega at Carnegie Hall and they > both sound flat and boring to me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:44:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: Amelia covers and conversations between Herbie and Wayne A friend of mine once made a comment that he finds "Amelia" devoid of any musical peaks. That it does not have a recognizable chorus. If I am appropriating him correctly, I guess he means that it is not instinctively hummable (i.e. accessible?). But I like "Amelia" as a song, structure-wise and lyrically even if it is probably not my fave Joni song (there are so many excellent excellent ones). It takes a certain amount of courage to sing "Amelia" because, if I may allude to my friend's comment, it is not a 'star turn' piece. What is beautiful though is that it brings out the storytelling aspect of the song and brings it out on the singer who sings it. I like Suzanne Vega's version of it in Carnegie Hall (maybe because I am also a fan of this woman -- hard to tell). I haven't heard the new version yet with Luciana Souza (and I am probably one of the very very few in the List who still don't own Joni's "Shine"). Joseph in Chapel Hill (not a singer at all) On Oct 15, 2007, at 1:13 PM, David Sapp wrote: > This is for all you vocalists out there... is Amelia a difficult > song to cover? The covers I'm most familiar with are the ones on > the Herbie CD and the one by Suzanne Vega at Carnegie Hall and they > both sound flat and boring to me. - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:21:28 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: Is Joni here? I'm just wondering if Joni, somewhere out there reading this. She can easily name herself Tom or Dick or Harry. NP. Van Morisson - all songs from Astral Weeks i've just received tons of 60s and 70s records from my uncle _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:17:49 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: FW: Message from website Can anyone help Scott? Please copy him on any replies. Les __________ From: Scott Loveall [wookie99@verizon.net] Perhaps you know this or know of an article where it is discussed. In Passion Play (When All the Slaves are Free) Joni writes: Enter the multitudes In Exxon blue In radiation rose Apathy Now you tell me Who you gonna get to do the dirty work When all the slaves are free? Is it known what the colors reference and to whom the slave reference is inferred. I presumed the colors to be colors of the togas/tunics of the day. A friend thinks Oil and Nuclear weapons in the middle east as this was released around the first Iraq/Kuwait war. It has baffled me for some time and none of my more religious acquaintances can decipher it. Thanks, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:36:40 +0200 From: Danilo Monno Subject: RE: Amelia covers and conversations between Herbie and Wayne Ditto. If you want to sing this song, you've got to be very very expressive and catch the sense of the song, and maybe relate it to your personal experience. Although Amelia is not hard to sing nor to play, the hardest part is interpretation. It's not my fave Joni song (Hejira is), still it's my fave to play on guitar. I don't like Luciana Souza's version at all. (Actually, I don't like the entire Hancock's tribute, but I was scared of saying, having read all your messages of admiration...). Hugs Danilo > CC: joni@smoe.org > From: waytoblue@comcast.net > Subject: Re: Amelia covers and conversations between Herbie and Wayne > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:00:46 -0400 > To: davidsapp@yahoo.com > > I love singing Amelia personally. I guess its a relative question > because to me it doesn't seem difficult at all, in fact it has a very > natural groove to it but I agree that it's a challenging song to do > and should be done with a lot of feeling and passion...I would find > it hard to sing without being very expressive. The images are so > vivid and clear in my mind. > > Definitely my favorite song by Joni to sing. > > Victor > > > > > > On Oct 15, 2007, at 1:13 PM, David Sapp wrote: > > > This is for all you vocalists out there... is Amelia a difficult > > song to cover? The covers I'm most familiar with are the ones on > > the Herbie CD and the one by Suzanne Vega at Carnegie Hall and they > > both sound flat and boring to me. _________________________________________________________________ Scarica GRATIS 30 emoticon per Messenger! http://www.emoticons-livemessenger.com/pages/msnit/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:48:05 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Amelia covers and conversations between Herbie and Wayne On Oct 15, 2007, at 6:36 PM, Danilo Monno wrote: > . (Actually, I don't like the entire Hancock's tribute, but I was > scared of saying, having read all your messages of admiration...). > > Hugs > > Danilo Don't be scared...I've listened to it a couple of times and for me it's not bad. It doesn't blow me away but I don't dislike it. I find it interesting and hear it as a jazz interpretation of Joni Mitchell songs which is cool but kind of limiting at the same time. I am sure there are myriads of reactions and opinions about it that range the spectrum. And they are all valid. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Car On A Hill...(long) At Jonifest this year, my friend won the Thirty Three and 1/3rd book that analyzes the entire Court & Spark album. Well I read the first half of it at Jonifest and planned to finish it after Jonifest. I finally got to finish the second half (due to certain delays) a week or so ago and found the book rather enlightening and enjoyable (minus the last chapter which the author just bashed everything after THOSL). Anyway, I really enjoyed the analysis of a Car On A Hill, a song I had never liked up until today. After reading the analysis, I wanted to listen to it and give it another chance. Today I did just that and love the song now! I can't even remember what I didn't like about it in the first place First off, I love the story in this song--a woman waiting for her lover to show and well, he doesn't. It may sound sort of silly but I can actually picture a music video to this when listening to the song. That may be because last year at Broadcasting school we did have to make music videos. I just have this wonderful mental image of this story. Man would I love to go back to that school and make a music video out of this song! Secondly, I love how it is very rhythmic. You can bob your head to it (although that doesn't necessarily qualify a song to be good! I'm only saying!). The majority of the song musically is upbeat and I really enjoy that. Next, I really like certain lyrics in the song such as, "He makes friends easy He's not like me I watch for judgement anxiously..." Those lyrics are something that I personally could relate to and I could imagine many others relating to as well. I also like, "It always seems so righteous at the start When there's so much laughter When there's so much spark When there's so much sweetness in the dark" Man, Joni really pinpoints something so true in such an original way. It just blows me away. Lastly, I really like the "there's so much sweetness in the dark." I really like how she put that, that way. Quite clever if you ask me! I also really enjoy the way she sings that line and in particular the way she sings the word, "sweetness." Incredible! I've also got to say I enjoy the entire melody of the song and particularly the vocal melody of the passages I highlighted. And, geez, I better wrap this up but I have one more thing to say. Though I do enjoy the story of the woman waiting (and can picture her pulling her curtain to the side looking out the window waiting for her man!) I would tell Joni (or any woman for that matter) that if your man is three hours late, he isn't coming. More over, I would tell her he's not worth it and to slowly move on and find someone who will respect and love you....someone who wouldn't stand you up.... -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." - --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: oh my SHINE!!! Hey Laura. I just wanted to say I really appreciate and enjoy your enthusiasm. That's so always so refreshing. I can understand what you are saying about Shine. The album really expresses what Joni feels and sees in the world today--her observations, her fears, her hope, etc etc. I think in every album Joni gives a part of herself, some albums more than others. -Monika LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: ET wrote: > It took 10 listens of Shine for me to conclude that this is my favorite > Joni Mitchell album EVER. > Hi ET, SHINE is home for me. It brings all of Joni's other albums together some how. The more I listen to it, the more I am moved by it... sometimes to tears. I have been listening to HOSL and Hejira in my car because I gave my car-copy of SHINE to a monk at a monastery. He told me he was a body gatherer in Vietnam and how some of the other American soldiers got hardened hearts and were cruel to the Vietnamese civilians... and how he confronted them by asking them if they felt strong for doing so and how wrong they were. When he said that, I immediately thought about "Strong and Wrong" and after our conversation I asked him if he knew of Joni Mitchell and sang him some of "Circle Game" to which he said something like, "yes, I remember her, she always had a lot to say in her songs and wasn't afraid to say it." I told him about SHINE and then gave him my copy. Anyway, listening now in the light of SHINE to HOSL and Hejira, I hear them differently. I don't know what it is exactly. Hard to explain. I feel closer to Joni than ever before because of SHINE. I hear her in a new light. She has made herself transparent on a whole new level in SHINE. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com - --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:39:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Car On A Hill...(long) Thanks for a great read, Monika - I agree with you all the way and don't know why he insisted on totally dissing all of Joni's post-C&S work. Sorta took a little creedence away from the rest of the book, but still I enjoyed it. And good on ya to recognice COAH for the slice of multi-brilliance that it is. It's surrounded with so many C&S masterpieces that it tends to get lost in the shuffle. Bob NP: Cowboy Junkies, "Lay It Down" - --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:38:52 -0700 (PDT) From: cecelia sonsini Subject: Joni Photograph Offer Bonnie Schiffman, a good friend of mine, is offering a very early photograph that she took of Joni performing at the Troubadour in Los Angeles in 1969. This particular photo was used in the Joni Mitchell Songbook as a fold-out poster. It's absolutely beautiful!! Bonnie was a photographer for Rolling Stone and has photographed celebrities for over 30 years. You can check out her web site: www.bsphotos.com. If anyone is interested in this particular photo please email me privately and I can email you the image and price. The available sizes are 11x14 and 16x20 (larger upon request) with a limited edition of 25 in each size. They are also signed by Bonnie. Thanks so much Cecelia ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:47:51 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Car On A Hill...(long) After reading this post, I put C&S on in the car and listened to the whole album, which I haven't done in a long time. What a masterpiece. "Shine" is having to grow on me a bit, but so did TI, which I grew to love. I also played CMIARS today, and realized again how much I like this one. Joni's lyrics on this are truly amazing, to me anyway. Just passing through, Reuben On 10/15/07, Bob Muller wrote: > Thanks for a great read, Monika - I agree with you all the way and don't know why he insisted on totally dissing all of Joni's post-C&S work. Sorta took a little creedence away from the rest of the book, but still I enjoyed it. > > And good on ya to recognice COAH for the slice of multi-brilliance that it is. It's surrounded with so many C&S masterpieces that it tends to get lost in the shuffle. > > Bob > > NP: Cowboy Junkies, "Lay It Down" > > > > > --------------------------------- > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > - -- Reuben in PA healthy people don't self-destruct. - Cyndi Lauper ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: cecelia sonsini Subject: Photo offer - email address I forgot to put my email address: csonsini1@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:48:13 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: oh my Rachel wrote: >> One Week Last Summer is so wonderful - sort of meditative but with intensity...it brought me to the piano that night. And then This Place...*so* *good* to hear. Her voice does sound wonderful. If I Had a Heart didn't grab me as much on the first listen, but it's really grown on me. The chords are really beautiful and intriguing - i especially love the bit around "we set our lovely sky, our lovely sky...on fire". There isn't a track i'd skip. I like the new BYT too - as far as updated lyrics, the new price of the tree museum won't have to be adjusted for inflation (just unprecedented changes to body plan) :P << Thanks for postponing lurkgom to respond to my confessional babbling! Big Yellow Taxi 2007 for me is even better than the real thing, limbs and all. I've heard countless versions of this timeless song and just must chime in to pronounce that this accordion-driven rendition is my new favorite. Can you see the clowns dancing? After about 40 listens of SHINE I am reduced to a puddle of mush. If this amazing album doesn't touch millions of hearts I will lose all faith in so-called "humanity." WHAT IS WRONG with people who dismiss the amazing music because they object to the brutally honest lyrics??? Or worse yet, can't let go of the way the song sounded back in 1969... Loving Joni's voice and wisdom and artistry more than ever! ET $ you see those lovely hills $ they won't be there for long $ $ they're gonna tear them down and sell them to California $$$... $ when this place is a moonscape don't tell me I didn't warn ya! ~Joni Mitchell, SHINE 2007 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #327 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)