From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #316 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, October 6 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 316 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Famous Blue Raincoat 20th Anniv. (VLJC) ["Lindsay Moon" ] RE: Famous Blue Raincoat 20th Anniv. (VLJC) ["Richard Flynn" ] corrina corrina vs a bird that whistles, c/w: being a new joni fan [rian ] Re: joni mitchell black and white photo Reprise promotional poster [Cathe] RE: corrina corrina vs a bird that whistles, c/w: being a new joni fan [] Too many people/too little land [motitan@aol.com] Re: joni mitchell black and white photo Reprise promotional poster [Mags ] Re: Out of the fire like catholic saints [jeannie Subject: Famous Blue Raincoat 20th Anniv. (VLJC) When I ordered my "Shine" online, that annoying Amazon simultaneously looked deep into my soul and came up with Famous Blue Raincoat, a 20th Anniversary re-issue and re-mastered CD by Jennifer Warnes of Leonard Cohen songs which they knew I couldn't resist. I think it's been discussed here before that it is a stunning album and one which I'd recommend highly (it's in my Top 10). It has four newly released cuts on it which I haven't fully digested. I also went to Jennifer Warnes.com and listened to a radio interview she did. She's in the same boat as Joni, saying the bottom fell out of the music industry and she can't tour unless her album does well enough that venues could get their money out of it . "it's all business" . but she did say she talked to Starbucks about releasing this for her and they said they didn't think she was in the Starbucks demographic. Huh? Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell are but she's not? She remarked that she read Joni had signed for a couple CD deal. Makes no sense to me. Fire off another letter to Starbucks! Anyway, if you've never heard it, you can listen to the radio interview (which is fairly slow moving) and hear several cuts. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:40:01 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Famous Blue Raincoat 20th Anniv. (VLJC) Bought it when it came out in all of its incarnations. Even had the "chromium" cassette release. The version of this I got is marked 25th anniversary release. Regardless, it's a gem. Unlike others, the bonus cuts are outstanding. Jerry > When I ordered my "Shine" online, that annoying Amazon simultaneously looked > deep into my soul and came up with Famous Blue Raincoat, a 20th Anniversary > re-issue and re-mastered CD by Jennifer Warnes of Leonard Cohen songs which > they knew I couldn't resist. I think it's been discussed here before that > it is a stunning album and one which I'd recommend highly (it's in my Top > 10). It has four newly released cuts on it which I haven't fully digested. > I also went to Jennifer Warnes.com and listened to a radio interview she > did. She's in the same boat as Joni, saying the bottom fell out of the > music industry and she can't tour unless her album does well enough that > venues could get their money out of it . "it's all business" . but she did > say she talked to Starbucks about releasing this for her and they said they > didn't think she was in the Starbucks demographic. Huh? Bob Dylan and Joni > Mitchell are but she's not? She remarked that she read Joni had signed for > a couple CD deal. Makes no sense to me. Fire off another letter to > Starbucks! > > Anyway, if you've never heard it, you can listen to the radio interview > (which is fairly slow moving) and hear several cuts. > > Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:55:06 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Shine Review in the Village Voice Joni's love of jazz and jazz's love of Joni are no secret: Consider occasional collaborator Herbie Hancock's recent tribute record. But Shine, her first record in five years and debut for Starbucks' Hear Music label, has a startling amount of saxophone. Coupled with other woodwinds, these horns sound elegant, almost classical. But too often the lead tenor veers dangerously deep into Grover Washington territory such meandering (God forgive me if it's Wayne Shorter) damns otherwise lovely arrangements to elevator-music oblivion. Sometimes the specificity of Joni's lyrics wrangles back your attention. At their best, her words express an infectious appreciation for nature while seeming to describe a pseudo-metalhead hipster's T-shirt: "Sparkle on the ocean/Eagle at the top of a tree." At their worst, alas, these jarringly earnest songs become plainly preachy: "Money, money, money . . . Money makes the trees come down . . . Big money kicks the wide wide world around." Surely this message would have been more effective had Starbucks not sponsored it. On "Big Yellow Taxi (2007)," Joni sings her old lament ("Took all the trees and put 'em in a tree museum") over an affecting new arrangement and reminds us of her past prescience, but also maybe unwittingly, maybe not gives us a strong metaphor to describe the strangeness of seeing music by once vital and innovative artists like herself now on display at an antiseptic, overpriced coffee-shop chain. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:03:15 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Famous Blue Raincoat 20th Anniv. (VLJC) Especially the live "Joan of Arc." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:40 AM To: Lindsay Moon; Joni List Subject: Re: Famous Blue Raincoat 20th Anniv. (VLJC) Bought it when it came out in all of its incarnations. Even had the "chromium" cassette release. The version of this I got is marked 25th anniversary release. Regardless, it's a gem. Unlike others, the bonus cuts are outstanding. Jerry > When I ordered my "Shine" online, that annoying Amazon simultaneously looked > deep into my soul and came up with Famous Blue Raincoat, a 20th Anniversary > re-issue and re-mastered CD by Jennifer Warnes of Leonard Cohen songs which > they knew I couldn't resist. I think it's been discussed here before that > it is a stunning album and one which I'd recommend highly (it's in my Top > 10). It has four newly released cuts on it which I haven't fully digested. > I also went to Jennifer Warnes.com and listened to a radio interview she > did. She's in the same boat as Joni, saying the bottom fell out of the > music industry and she can't tour unless her album does well enough that > venues could get their money out of it . "it's all business" . but she did > say she talked to Starbucks about releasing this for her and they said they > didn't think she was in the Starbucks demographic. Huh? Bob Dylan and Joni > Mitchell are but she's not? She remarked that she read Joni had signed for > a couple CD deal. Makes no sense to me. Fire off another letter to > Starbucks! > > Anyway, if you've never heard it, you can listen to the radio interview > (which is fairly slow moving) and hear several cuts. > > Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:29:58 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Out of the fire like catholic saints Dear all, The storm in a coffee cup continues http://adorotedevote.blogspot.com/2007/09/boycott-starbucks.html Some of this is hilarious, some scary. Gordon in sunny Glasgow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:40:15 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: RE: Famous Blue Raincoat 20th Anniv. (VLJC) Well, that's odd. I checked mine again and it says 20th. Boy, you are ahead of your time ... to get it before it was even released! ; ) I'm just trying to kid myself that I'm younger than I am. On her Videos section on her website, there's even a video of "First We Take Manhattan" which is cool. With the wise Leonard and the late Stevie Ray Vaughn featured. Maybe when I'm done touring with Steely Dan or Neil Finn as a back-up singer, I could do the back up on Joan of Arc. Maybe in that nebulous span of time between when your CD was released and mine. Lindsay - -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Notaro [mailto:notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:40 AM To: Lindsay Moon; Joni List Subject: Re: Famous Blue Raincoat 20th Anniv. (VLJC) Bought it when it came out in all of its incarnations. Even had the "chromium" cassette release. The version of this I got is marked 25th anniversary release. Regardless, it's a gem. Unlike others, the bonus cuts are outstanding. Jerry > When I ordered my "Shine" online, that annoying Amazon simultaneously > looked deep into my soul and came up with Famous Blue Raincoat, a 20th > Anniversary re-issue and re-mastered CD by Jennifer Warnes of Leonard > Cohen songs which they knew I couldn't resist. I think it's been > discussed here before that it is a stunning album and one which I'd > recommend highly (it's in my Top 10). It has four newly released cuts on it which I haven't fully digested. > I also went to Jennifer Warnes.com and listened to a radio interview > she did. She's in the same boat as Joni, saying the bottom fell out > of the music industry and she can't tour unless her album does well > enough that venues could get their money out of it . "it's all > business" . but she did say she talked to Starbucks about releasing > this for her and they said they didn't think she was in the Starbucks > demographic. Huh? Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell are but she's not? > She remarked that she read Joni had signed for a couple CD deal. > Makes no sense to me. Fire off another letter to Starbucks! > > Anyway, if you've never heard it, you can listen to the radio > interview (which is fairly slow moving) and hear several cuts. > > Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:14:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: joni mitchell black and white photo Reprise promotional poster I've just received and early bday gift, a black and white image of Joni. It is on card stock, and is a very young Joni, one with braids in her hair. It's a headshot and her face is turned slightly toward the right. She has her right hand up to her face, index finger lingering along her bottom lip. Big rings on her fingers. This is a promotional poster, as it were, from Reprise. I dont have a clue what year. Ive done a bit of searching but so far have found nothing. I have seen many images of Joni, but never this one. It's gorgeous, she looks very happy, and beautiful. If anyone can help identify when/where and by whom the photograph was taken, I would greatly appreciate that. I dont have a lot of Joni stuff, so this was a complete surprise. Dang, I'm one lucky gal. love, Mags - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: ps. re Joni black and white photo I forgot to give the dimensions. It's rather large! 27 " x 21 &1/4" the images shows a sprinkling of freckles, and she has two rings on. One on her index finger and the other on her third. She has very long nails, long bangs, split down the middle, gently pushed back to either side of her sweet face. someone is standing beside her, to the right, but it's just part of their shoulder/arm. wonderful wonderful image. lucky girl Mags. - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: corrina corrina vs a bird that whistles, c/w: being a new joni fan i've just noticed that A Bird That Whistles from Chalk Mark is actually same with Bob Dylan's Corrina Corrina (from Freewheelin Bob Dylan -- 1963). ok. since joni is female bob dylan, (which joni refused, she suggested that bob dylan is male joni) let's compare them Battle 1: Corrina Corrina vs A Bird That Whistles fight begin: $w%h%a!m slam kabooom... the winner: it's so hard to say this. this time bob dylan win. The nicest thing from being a new joni fan (i'm just 21, my first joni-encounter was last year) is that i keep on discovering new things. Just yesterday, i discovered that one of the song that i love since my childhood (james taylor's you've got a friend) actually contains Joni on it! Do you guys know any other song(s) that have joni on it? OK. Last thing. I don't use english as my 1st language. i'm indonesian. so if you find my english is incorrect, haha, you know the reason. - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:34:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni mitchell black and white photo Reprise promotional poster - --- Mags wrote: > I've just received and early bday gift, a black and > white image of Joni. It is on card stock, and is a > very young Joni, one with braids in her hair. It's a > headshot and her face is turned slightly toward the > right. She has her right hand up to her face, index > finger lingering along her bottom lip. Big rings on > her fingers. It sounded kind of familiar, so I started doing a google imsge search. Haven't foudn that one (yet) but I found one that is kind of cute: http://www.duvekot.ca/eliane/archives/2004_07.html then started looking at more of this woman's illustrations and I really like them. (Now back to trying to figure out if the one you're describing truly is one I've seen before. I'm thinking maybe from one of the early song books? I had one that had a poster in it. The poster is long gone.) > This is a promotional poster, as it were, from > Reprise. I dont have a clue what year. Ive done a > bit of searching but so far have found nothing. I > have seen many images of Joni, but never this one. > It's gorgeous, she looks very happy, and beautiful. > > If anyone can help identify when/where and by whom > the photograph was taken, I would greatly appreciate > that. > > I dont have a lot of Joni stuff, so this was a > complete surprise. Dang, I'm one lucky gal. > > love, Mags > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere > on the web and bookmark your favourite > sites. Download it now! > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:21:42 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: corrina corrina vs a bird that whistles, c/w: being a new joni fan "Corrina, Corrina" is a traditional folk song, so neither Joni nor Bob can claim credit, The earliest recorded version may have been by Blind Lemon Jefferson, Here is a page with 160 versions of the song: http://www.panhandlecountry.com/cc/cchome.html - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of rian afriadi Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:58 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: corrina corrina vs a bird that whistles, c/w: being a new joni fan i've just noticed that A Bird That Whistles from Chalk Mark is actually same with Bob Dylan's Corrina Corrina (from Freewheelin Bob Dylan -- 1963). ok. since joni is female bob dylan, (which joni refused, she suggested that bob dylan is male joni) let's compare them Battle 1: Corrina Corrina vs A Bird That Whistles fight begin: $w%h%a!m slam kabooom... the winner: it's so hard to say this. this time bob dylan win. The nicest thing from being a new joni fan (i'm just 21, my first joni-encounter was last year) is that i keep on discovering new things. Just yesterday, i discovered that one of the song that i love since my childhood (james taylor's you've got a friend) actually contains Joni on it! Do you guys know any other song(s) that have joni on it? OK. Last thing. I don't use english as my 1st language. i'm indonesian. so if you find my english is incorrect, haha, you know the reason. - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:23:58 -0400 From: motitan@aol.com Subject: Too many people/too little land "There's just too many people now Too little land..." ? I can't find who it is my email folder but someone recently mentioned being uneasy with this particular line.? A JMDL poster said it seemed like Joni was?suggesting (unintentionally I suppose) some sort of population control and compared Joni's?thinking in this line to what Hitler was trying to do.? I have to say I don't find this line far off the mark at all.? In fact, there's a lot of truth in it.? We, as humans, keep reproducing at a hasty, hasty rate, using up resources (especially limited one with such ease), building here, building there,?etc etc.? I don't think Joni was trying to suggest killing anyone off or any means of population control at all.? She was simply stating?what she thought.?? ? And it's unfair to compare her thinking to Hitler.? Hitler wasn't trying to reduce the population.? He was trying to exterminate certain groups of people while ENCOURAGING reproduction among others he found to be superior (his Aryan race...I believe his goal was to have some x million German, Aryan babies be born but the number was?closer to x hundred thousand or so). ? That's not the same at all.? Joni speaks the truth.? Hitler spoke from his own twisted misconceptions. - -Monika??? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: joni mitchell black and white photo Reprise promotional poster thanks Cat, Im so surprised that only one person responded. This is big Joni news n'est-ce pas? Ive tried the joni mitchell dot com and all sorts of google searches. Ive seen another photo, also black and white, somewhere, where Joni is in the same braids. Her hair looks so beautiful, as does she. She's very young, and Lucy and I are having a good look at it, and think it must be circa Song to a Seagull. Les? Simon? Are you reading this? she seems to be listening to someone talking , it's that kind of intention in her eyes. full focus on whoever / whatever she's looking at. yes, indeed queen Lucy from England is HERE, with me, now knocking on Heaven's door. much love Mags Catherine McKay wrote: - --- Mags wrote: > I've just received and early bday gift, a black and > white image of Joni. It is on card stock, and is a > very young Joni, one with braids in her hair. It's a > headshot and her face is turned slightly toward the > right. She has her right hand up to her face, index > finger lingering along her bottom lip. Big rings on > her fingers. It sounded kind of familiar, so I started doing a google imsge search. Haven't foudn that one (yet) but I found one that is kind of cute: http://www.duvekot.ca/eliane/archives/2004_07.html then started looking at more of this woman's illustrations and I really like them. (Now back to trying to figure out if the one you're describing truly is one I've seen before. I'm thinking maybe from one of the early song books? I had one that had a poster in it. The poster is long gone.) > This is a promotional poster, as it were, from > Reprise. I dont have a clue what year. Ive done a > bit of searching but so far have found nothing. I > have seen many images of Joni, but never this one. > It's gorgeous, she looks very happy, and beautiful. > > If anyone can help identify when/where and by whom > the photograph was taken, I would greatly appreciate > that. > > I dont have a lot of Joni stuff, so this was a > complete surprise. Dang, I'm one lucky gal. > > love, Mags > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere > on the web and bookmark your favourite > sites. Download it now! > Catherine - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:03:14 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Out of the fire like catholic saints I'm a cradle catholic, and I would defend my true faith with my life, but I would never, ever in a gazillion years, in blind devotional allegience, defend the church's prime time crimes and hypocritical, selective stances of what constitutes a sin, when those sins are commited by certain clergy, the pedophile priests. On the link, provided by Gordon, I read those comments by those tunnel-visioned catholics concerning that one sentence on Joni's song, 'Shine on the Catholic Church and the prisons that it owns.' I know those types of condemning catholic types all to well. That's why I practice my faith in the company of special souls and mainly in solitude, with my books written by the best of the best catholic authors. In all fairness, there have been many saintly souls who lived for the truths and pure love and for the justice that truth requires and who have given the Church their all and usually they were/are considered strange, simple-minded, crazy, weird and they hide them away, unless they're making lots of money for the Church. I could go on for hours on this subject. I see Joni asking for the light of truth, love, justice, and fairness to shine on my Church. For example, I complained with reason, when Penn and Teller called Mother Teresa a "fucking whore and a bitch," or something similar along those lines, so stupidly and disrespectfully, I was furious. I e-mailed Showtime 20 something times and called them with some emotionally filled words like you cannot believe. No vulgarity, but I let really let Penn and Teller have it. I got some news later on from a dear priest in the Bronx, telling me that Showtime got my message loud and clear. But, now, that a different story. There's no comparison. I've had personal experiences with horrific wolves/clergy dressed in the garb of sacrificial lambs. My son attented a high school seminary because the curriculum was the finest of education here in San Antonio. I refused to let him stay as a boarder for a required three weeks. They expelled him, told me I was a hysterical woman, and made me pay an arm and a leg to get his transcript. A couple years later, several boys in my son's class sued an ex-police turned priest, who was dean of behavior and stayed with those boys those three weeks, and who was/is a pedophile pig who abused those kids, and thankfully, who's now in prison. One boy, whose mother I knew from a course we were both taking, ended up getting a huge settlement a couple of years later, only to hang himself when his mind and money went spinning out of control. And other things, but that's enough now and this is just the result from those celibacy issues made for men going back to the days of greed when the Vatican didn't want to have to dispense inheritences from fortunes it had acquired, to the children and families of the married priests and this is the result. Money makes molehills out of mountains. So, you see, I'm not a blind catholic--I'm one of truth and vision who prays for my Church to get the light to shine all over its dirty dark secrets and to let the faithful, simple Catholic saints, celibate or not, do God's work all over this world. I've honestly met some the finest human beings that have ever existed within my catholic faith. It has been those that let their little shine and never, ever dim their light in life, nor can be dimmed in death and for those, all of my love shines all over them in gratitude, reciprocating a beautiful sense of peace and the purest of joy back to me, like what happens to me with Joni! Those catholics that want to crucify Joni for what she sang are those short sighted ones, if not blind. Those followers who never bother to ask where they're being led to. We have those sorts of people in all religions and in all walks of life and Jesus said not to throw your pearls (wisdom) to the swine. It's useless, a waste of time, and sad. Maybe those that are condeming Joni should play, 'Shine,' and use it as a prayer. I do, and it's one of the most beautiful prayers I've ever experienced in the silence and darkness of the night and I cry and my soul flies so high to the heavens in happiness and harmony as Joni sings so preciously in a dreamy like voice of truth and beauty. Jeannie A Catholic Cowgirl from San Antonio, Texas Something These Gordon Mackie wrote: Dear all, The storm in a coffee cup continues http://adorotedevote.blogspot.com/2007/09/boycott-starbucks.html Some of this is hilarious, some scary. Gordon in sunny Glasgow - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #316 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)