From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #315 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, October 5 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 315 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: The first Shine cover (sort of) [Danilo Monno ] RE: A Black Mansiere ["Richard Flynn" ] janis ["mack watson-bush" ] Some remembrance in these Shine Days ["Anita Tedder" ] Strong and Wrong chord chart [Dave Blackburn ] Dog Eat Dog [rian afriadi ] Re: Joni in Vanity Fair [Moni Kellermann ] Joni in Vanity Fair [est86mlm@ameritech.net] RE: Emergence of Joni Mitchell [Susan McNamara ] "If" suddenly ubiquitous [Dave Blackburn ] Fw: Dog Eat Dog ["mack watson-bush" ] A couple Shining comments ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Coming Soon - FREE Joni Mitchell iTune CARD - Night of the Iguana @Starbucks [motit] [none] [anon anon ] Joni, CBS, Shine charting, ramble on [motitan@aol.com] psychedelic HOSL [anon anon ] Re: psychedelic HOSL [motitan@aol.com] Annie Leibovitz' cross-country folky photo shoot ["Kate Bennett" ] Telegraph UK - Joni Mitchell still smoking [est86mlm@ameritech.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:19:01 +0200 From: Danilo Monno Subject: RE: The first Shine cover (sort of) That guy is great! I love his covers on the dulcimer. And I'm kind of jealous... Danilo > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:33:36 -0700> From: scjoniguy@yahoo.com> Subject: The first Shine cover (sort of)> To: joni@smoe.org> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMT6g06mSFw> > This guy's done quite a few Joni covers on YouTube, I think Danilo still has him beat though.> > Bob> > NP: Josh Schurr, "Bad Dreams Are Good"> > > ---------------------------------> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. _________________________________________________________________ Scarica GRATIS 30 emoticon per Messenger! http://www.emoticons-livemessenger.com/pages/msnit/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:13:23 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: A Black Mansiere I remember that Mansiere episode! Here's the quotation: Act I, Scene V: Romeo: O, she doth teach the torches to burn bright! It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night Like a rich jewel in an Ethiope's ear; Beauty too rich for use, for earth too dear! So shows a snowy dove trooping with crows, As yonder lady o'er her fellows shows. The measure done, I'll watch her place of stand, And, touching hers, make blessed my rude hand. Did my heart love till now? forswear it, sight! For I ne'er saw true beauty till this night. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of ajfashion@att.net Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:31 PM To: Deb Messling; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: A Black Mansiere - -------------- Original message from Deb Messling : - -------------- > Thanks, Richard Flynn, for sending us your rendition of That Song > About the Midway. What a precious artifact, and it's lovely, > wavering vocals and all. But for some reason, after all these years, > I heard the lyrics as "I stood out like a ruby on a black > mansiere." Seinfeld fans will recognize the reference; a mansiere is > a brassiere for a man. So, Joni was alluding to Shakespeare; I hear > Seinfeld and collapse into giggles. I'm truly sorry. The Seinfield reference cracked me up. You probably know this but the Shakespeare line is actually something " a ruby in an Ethiope's ear," and Romeo says it to describe Juliet's beauty at the Capulet banquet where they meet. I was so captivated when I first heard the JM song and that line. (I didn't look the Shakespeare line up, so I'm not sure it's exact, but pretty close. Another reason I admire JM's lyrics is because of the allusions--more depths to reach as one listens and learns.) Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:06:30 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: janis Gone for 37 years today. Doesn't seem possible. Hope she's content wherever she is. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:45:10 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Some remembrance in these Shine Days The experience this week of reading all the fascinating posts about Shine and thinking about where I am with all of it made me even more aware of all the memories this release has stirred up for me. I wrote the other day about going to buy 'Clouds' all those years ago and, of course, my most consistent message in all my posts seem to be my appreciation of this list. I have often written about my sense of isolation as a fan of Joni Mitchell. Just no-one ever got it in those early days. 'Joni Who?' they'd say. Then my thoughts moved to the first time I discovered Joni Mitchell.com and read all about Wally Breese and followed his fight to stay alive. Soon after, I found my way to the JMDL and I remembered people's love for Mary Grace, whom I never got to meet, and Jack Nielsen who I did get the good fortune to meet at Joni Fest 2003. I remember so distinctly his version of Blue Boy. So my thoughts today have been very much with those who have loved Joni's music as I have, but won't ever get to hear 'Shine'. I'm going to send them, and those I may have forgotten but have been part of this list, lots of love and hope that, wherever they are, their little lights are shining! Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:59:59 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Strong and Wrong chord chart Here's the working link for the reuploaded chart. Sorry for the confusion. Link: http://download.yousendit.com/6577FF7278EEA514 Note: this is not a note by note transcription but a chord symbol chart, playable on piano or guitar. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:15:14 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Strong and Wrong chord chart Dear all, Something was acting weird on Yousendit this week and my chord chart of Strong and Wrong "expired" as a download link after one day. I have reuploaded it and it appears to be working fine now. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:28:17 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: Dog Eat Dog i dont know why critics hate this album i found "impossible dreamer" and "lucky girl" better than every songs from TTT, even CMIARS. _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs =bz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:45:54 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Joni in Vanity Fair Wie Bryan so vortrefflich formulierte: > Has anyone posted this? Joni (smoking in bed, with Coco), Judy, Joan > and many others are featured in the November Vanity Fair, in a "folk > music portfolio" feature by Annie Leibovitz. A video about the making > of the feature is here: > > http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/video/2007/folkportfolio_video200711 The article by Lisa Robinson is online, too: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/11/behindthescenes200711 The part about Joni: The image of the folksinger princess flies right out the window when it comes to the ultra-sophisticated Joni Mitchell, who quite rightly defies categorization---unless you want to put her somewhere between Thelonious Monk and Prince. Joni is always at the top of our list (we would have included her in the Hip-Hop Portfolio if we could have), and even though she's been out of sight for a while, she never stops working. This is a big year for her: a show of her art recently opened in New York, she has a new record deal with Starbucks (her new album is Shine), and the Alberta Ballet performed to her music in Canada. Joni drove herself and her dog, Coco, to our shoot at Hollywood's Chateau Marmont, where, shockingly, some ridiculous goons "guarding" the driveway treated her rudely. What were they guarding against? Paparazzi on the lookout for LiLo? We brushed past this homeland security, went into our suite, and had a party. It's always a party with Joni, because she's hilarious, we hate all the same people, and we were joined by her fun friend the makeup artist extraordinaire Paul Starr. Joni drank sake, Annie wanted margaritas, and after the shoot we all stayed up for hours watching the DVD of the Alberta Ballet dancing to Joni's music. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:36:24 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni in Vanity Fair Bryan, Love it! Thanks so much for the info on the video (too cool!) and Vanity Fair! I'm heading out to Target to get my discounted copy (10% off) now! Thank you! Thank you! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:48:03 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Emergence of Joni Mitchell Hi Jill: I just listened to the radio program, too. Very cool. I was very excited that our sound bytes made it ( YEAH Ashara and Les!). I thought it was really great of Paul to include the fan voice. I find it funny that it almost seems like me and Shawn Colvin are kicking back comparing how it felt to first tune to Woman of Heart and Mind. Haha!!! . This show is definitely a great listen. I especially like the poetic critiques, including The Last Time I Saw Richard and Amelia, etc. sue >Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:12:07 -0700 >From: JILL A HAAS >Subject: The Emergence of Joni Mitchell > >Barbara, >My thoughts exactly... >I just got finished listening and I am still ~~swooning~~ it was so well done. > >Barbara Stewart wrote: > >"Did ANYONE hear this fabulous 2 hour broadcast at 3:30 this afternoon? (Wed) >It was the finest career retrospective on Joni I've ever heard. Inspiring and >revelatory. >Some interview clips from Joni very early in her performance career, wonderful >musical interstitials. Better yet, did anyone capture it on recording? Or >know how to buy it from >Public Radio International? I would love to listen to it again." > >I got this tip from David Sapp: > >"I just listened to this radio show and it is an enjoyable, informative >and respectful 2 hour career >retrospective. >A real highlight for me were the interviews with several of our list >members... totally cool. >It is available at http://www.coolstreams.org" > >And from Bob Muller, the link http://www.paulingles.com/mitchell.html > >Paul Ingles is the guy that produced it. Those of you at Jonifest 2007 may >remember him. Great thanks >to him, along with Ashara, Les and Randal for making this a mesmerizing 2 >hours of Joni. All of my >favorite songs and albums were well represented, except Turbulent >Indigo. Oh, well. >The show was spot on. > >Especially, thank you Paul Ingles. Beautiful work. > >Jill Haas from Seattle. Susan McNamara Research Analyst Advancement Research and Data Support Alumni Affairs and Development Cornell University 203D, 130 Seneca Place Ithaca, NY 14850 phone: 607-255-3871 fax: 607-254-7169 email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:47:58 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: "If" suddenly ubiquitous This from the latest edition of "The Nation"..... PETRAEUS POETRY: Speaking at the National Press Club, Gen. David Petraeus made a brief but startling literary turn. When asked about MoveOn.org's "General Petraeus or General Betray US?" ads, the general answered that he "took some strength" from Rudyard Kipling's poem "If." A disturbingly apt selection, "If" is dominated by hollow aphorisms that lionize macho stubbornness. It lauds the unblinking willingness to lump "heart and nerve and sinew" together with a "heap of all your winnings," risk the whole heap "on one turn of pitch-and- toss," lose and "never breathe a word about your loss." This is middling poetry and dismal inspiration for military policy. Kipling wrote "If" about his friend Leander Jameson, the territorial administrator of Cecil Rhodes's British South Africa Company. In 1895 Jameson led a raid meant to depose the South African republic's elected Boer government and install a regime more hospitable to British interests. Poorly planned and undermanned, Jameson's incursion was quickly stymied, but the ill will it produced was a major factor in the outbreak of the second Boer War. Later investigations suggested that Jameson was acting on the highest state orders and stayed quiet out of loyalty to crown and country. At the time, however, the British government publicly denounced the Raid and even jailed Jameson for fifteen months. Nationalist sentiments ran high, and many (including imperial apologist Kipling) saw him as a stoic hero. Now we have a hint that Petraeus sees himself the same way--as a beleaguered patriot who, despite being doubted, "lied about," and "hated" (Kipling's words), keeps his upper lip admirably stiff. Perhaps Petraeus should have taken guidance from Homer Simpson instead. In a classic episode, Grampa Simpson quotes "If" to justify gambling his inheritance on a single roulette spin. If you act as Kipling prescribes, he argues, "Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it. And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!" "You'll be a bonehead!" Homer retorts. Peter C. Baker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:17:59 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Fw: Dog Eat Dog rian wrote: i dont know why critics hate this album found "impossible dreamer" and "lucky girl" better than every songs from TTT, even CMIARS. == cuz they don't know what they are talking about. it is a great album. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:04:14 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: A couple Shining comments On the "Both Sides Now" tour, someone shouted, "You rock, Joni!" She shot back, "I swing, too!" Jim L. >how she seems to be floating and/or surfing on top of the arrangement. In a way on some of these songs, This Place and Hanna and others I can't name at the moment, her voice and melody seem completely untethered from the arrangement... similar to what she did in the Mingus material in that it seems as if the arrangement doesn't give her anything to hang her vocal on and yet she pulls it off beautifully. One of the prime examples of this type of work would be Sweet Sucker Dance.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:43:20 -0400 From: motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Coming Soon - FREE Joni Mitchell iTune CARD - Night of the Iguana @Starbucks ? Oh my brother gave me the Bob Dylan card after coming back from Starbucks the other day.? I've got "Jokerman" by Dylan but I haven't gone to download it.? I may ask him to keep getting me cards from there or maybe just go in there myself every now and again.? I'd love the Joni one. - -M? - -----Original Message----- From: est86mlm@ameritech.net To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:44 pm Subject: Coming Soon - FREE Joni Mitchell iTune CARD - Night of the Iguana @Starbucks Heads Up! It's FREE. Just go into Starbucks every day and ask for the Song of the Day card from October 2 to November 7. No Purchase Necessary. You won't get to pick the song tho. But 2 of those days will be Joni Mitchell songs. Already released was a Bob Dylan tune as well as KT Tunstall today. A friendly Starbucks employes I was talking with about Joni went in the back and brought out a Joni Mitchell Song of the Day card and gave it to me (plastic.....nice keeper!). It has a pic of Joni on the bottom right. He told me there will be 2 different Joni Song of the Day cards but couldn't tell me when her different "days" were. Just have to go in every day and see what the song of the day is. The card he gave me is for the song, Night of the Iguana. Each card has a download Code # . The code expires 12/31/07. Offer available to US persons age 13 or older. Limit one card per person, per day in PARTICIPATING US Starbucks stores. See a picture here: http://www.starbucks.com/ or here http://www.hearmusic.com/#STARBUCKS_|_ITUNES/SONG_OF_THE_DAY Joni can't deny technology any longer....she's part of the latest. Enjoy! Laura "According to an Associated Press report, Starbucks coffee shops will introduce an upcoming service that will allow users of Apple's iPhone, the new iPod Touch, or a laptop with iTunes software to download songs that they hear playing in Starbucks shops. When a user wanders into range, the device will display a Starbucks icon. Starbucks shops will give away free "song of the day" cards from October 2 to November 7, to the tune of around 1.5 million such cards each day. Each card is good for a song at Apple's iTunes online music store. The catch is that you don't get to choose the song. The music will come from 37 featured artists, including Bob Dylan, Dave Matthews, Annie Lennox, Paul McCartney, and others." ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:22:42 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: [none] There was a short article about Joni in this weeks "New York magazine"... _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLt agline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:45:42 -0400 From: motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni, CBS, Shine charting, ramble on ? Do we have any word on when Joni is going to be on CBS or any other show for that matter?? I'd love to see a current interview with her on a television show.? Anyday now! ? Also, I think it's fantastic to know how well Shine has done.? #14 is a pretty decent number given the garbage that is ahead of it on the charts.? Then again, the charts are kind of a joke, because once again I cite the garbage that is on there.? But good for Joni nonetheless. ? It's a Joni time of year!? - -Monika ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:21:20 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: psychedelic HOSL I was listening to HOSL the other night, and the whole album(CD actually) reall jumped out at me.. maybe it was because it was night time and I was paying closer attention then usual, but the music really seemed almost psychedelic... no, I wasn't drunk or stoned at the time either... maybe my attention was functining better then usual... anyway, HOSL is such an excellent album... I introduced it to my mom( a huge Joni fan, but nevertheless, not that familair with much of her music) for her birthday and she loves it... _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:17:18 -0400 From: motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: psychedelic HOSL ? I've never thought of the HOSL as psychedelic but I can agree with you that it is excellent.? It's my favorite Joni album and really one of the greatest albums ever written and recorded in all of music's history.? I stand by that and always will.? I LOVED HOSL from the first time I heard it which is a rare accomplishment.? Normally it takes a few listens to like something, really absorb it, let alone love an album.? ? I'm glad you're Mom loves it.? What a gift she got!? Music is the greatest gift you can give to anyone!? I always say that.? It's almost my motto really....the only problem is what happens when you give the gift of music to someone you later wish you hadn't?? I won't go into detail.? - -Monika, a HOSL groupie through and through - -----Original Message----- From: anon anon To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 6:21 pm Subject: psychedelic HOSL I was listening to HOSL the other night, and the whole album(CD actually) reall jumped out at me.. maybe it was because it was night time and I was paying closer attention then usual, but the music really seemed almost psychedelic... no, I wasn't drunk or stoned at the time either... maybe my attention was functining better then usual... anyway, HOSL is such an excellent album... I introduced it to my mom( a huge Joni fan, but nevertheless, not that familair with much of her music) for her birthday and she loves it... _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:08:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Annie Leibovitz' cross-country folky photo shoot "With a folk-music revival brewing, Annie Leibovitz went back to her roots, with a cross-country blitz of the genre's stars, from high priestess Joan Baez to reclusive Ray LaMontagne, to new sensation Feist...." Article by Lisa Robinson in the November 2007 edition of Vanity Fair. In addition to the article, there is a slide show and video of the photo shoots. "The artists, in the order in which they appear: Joan Baez; Judy Collins; Buffy Sainte-Marie and Richie Havens; Peter, Paul and Mary (Noel Paul Stookey, Mary Travers, and Peter Yarrow); Devendra Banhart; Ray LaMontagne; Joni Mitchell; Livingston, Hugh, Kate, and James Taylor; Fionn Regan, Becky Stark, Adam Green, and Ben Kweller; Feist; the Guthries: Serena, Abe, Lisa, Jackie, ShivaDas, Arlo, Krishna, Marjorie, Cathyaliza, Annie, Jacklyn, Olivia, Sarah Lee, and Johnny Irion." http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/11/behindthescenes200711 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:45:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Too Much Land, Too Few People Ouch, not a nice reply & a mistaken one to boot. That was not my comment (I did reply to that comment however). , that wasn't my post, I replied to that post however. Regardless, try to place nice. But since you asked. Yes I've been to China & I'll tell you what I saw- lots of miles of barren land with occasional high rise apartments. Weird to build high when there was so much land. >RE: And lyrics like "There's just too many people now/tool little land" are simply embarrassing -- human beings might be engaged in gross abuse, mismanagement and poor distribution of resources and destruction of the environment, but is there solid scientific evidence that there are actually too many people on Earth?!!< KATE: EVER HEAR OF A PLACE CALLED CHINA? IF THERE ARE NOT YET TOO MANY PEOPLE ON EARTH, THERE SOON WILL BE. < ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:13:17 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Telegraph UK - Joni Mitchell still smoking Check out the 3-page interview: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/10/04/bmjoni104.xml Laura One of the sharpest minds in pop tells Neil McCormick how she fell back in love with music  and why cigarettes are sensuous 'I'll try not to kill you with secondary smoke," says Joni Mitchell, as she lights up at the table. The great Canadian singer-songwriter likes her cigarettes, and, at 63, nothing is likely to persuade her to stop smoking now. "It's one of life's great pleasures," she says, mischievously revelling in political incorrectness as she exhales a small cloud through wide nostrils. Mitchell's speaking voice is a little husky, and her singing voice has noticeably altered over the years, losing the high end and modulating into a sensuous alto, but she blames age rather than tobacco. "I have smoked since I was nine, so obviously it didn't affect my early work that much." And then she diverts into a rambling reminiscence of childhood in the remote farming community of Saskatoon. "I would grab my tobacco and get on my bike, looking for a beautiful place, a grove of trees or a field, and go amongst the bushes and smoke and that always gave me a sense of well being." It was just such a moment, combining her love of the natural world with a sense of earthly pleasure, that inspired her first musical composition in over ten years. Mitchell had retreated from Los Angeles to her isolated estate in north Vancouver (bought in 1969, in the first flush of fame). "It's a beautiful place of great complexity and mood. It doesn't take very long to get my centre back when I go up there. ............................................................................. ......." ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #315 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)