From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #311 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 2 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 311 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Shiny Love Songs ["William Elliott" ] Too Much Land, Too Few People ["William Elliott" ] Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine [missblux@googlemail.com] The Anticlimactic Shine [missblux@googlemail.com] neat little Vanity Fair vid, Annie Lebowitz - includes Joni [Em ] Re: neat little Vanity Fair vid, Annie Lebowitz - includes Joni [RoseMJoy] admits to another Joni 'Mondegreen' [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Shiny Love Songs [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: neat little Vanity Fair vid, Annie Lebowitz - includes Joni [Bob.Mull] Re: Shiny Love Songs [ajfashion@att.net] Re: admits to another Joni 'Mondegreen' [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: neat little Vanity Fair vid, Annie Lebowitz - includes Joni [Em ] Shine-first impression [Dave Blackburn ] one week last summer ["Marianne Rizzo" ] A couple Herbie comments [David Sapp ] Re: Now that I have Shine... [David Sapp ] NPR site Green Flag Song [c Karma ] RE: When you get Shine ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: Now that I have Shine... [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] CORRECTION re: NPR site Green Flag Song [c Karma ] RE: telling singers to sing Joni - cassandra wilson content [ajfashion@at] Re: Shiny Love Songs [ajfashion@att.net] Joni Mitchell radio special - 2 hrs ["Barbara Stewart" ] Strong And Wrong Chords [Danilo Monno ] shiny love songs [Robert Procyk ] my take on Shine - I know you all have been waiting [Deb Messling ] Night of the Iguana [KEVIN DOHENY ] Re: Joni on eBay [Victor Johnson ] Re: Night of the Iguana (The Movie) [Catherine McKay ] M\Richard's weird vanity offering ["Richard Flynn" Subject: Shiny Love Songs RE: OK, here's a question (probably naive): do you all think we miss the love songs? I mean, her songs about love, in its many forms, have not only marked many milestones in my life, but probably shaped the way I, in restrospect, perceive some of my own relationships. Would Shine have been a very different CD had JM written a song that, perhaps restropectively, looked back on a relationship or a complicated romantic life? I'm sure those of us who have aged with her would probably have related to such a song. - - --Aleda Well, sadly it probably would have ultimately increased sales as most people would sooner listen to topics of love than to the dire state of the orb. A thematic masterpiece on romantic love in late middle-age: JM may still have that in her. But, let us face it, the romance of romantic love wanes with age; at least for most. The sheer wonder of it really does lie within the territory of the young (and the real young, not the young at heart). But, from within the crumbling confines of my graffiti ruins, I digress. Love songs on SHINE? No, I think not. However disappointed I am by SHINE, I will still listen to it - -- or even TTT or TL -- sooner than I will listen to WTRF (Chinese Cafe being the exception as well as, ironically enough, LOVE). I barely missed a step when JM turned her critical eye to the outside world in the mid-80s; loved DED and still do. Beat of Black Wings, Passion Play, Sex Kills, et al: these are masterpieces as effective as, say, My Old Man, A Case of You, or Help Me. And much more interesting. I really find her later work -- HISSING and beyond -- so much more compelling than what came before it. Whatever its problems may be, SHINE is not hindered by an absence of love songs. Click now and find the high paying trucking career you've been looking for!

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Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:05:26 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine Yes! We miss the love songs! I was wondering if that guy (sorry I can't remember who it was) who was complaining about this CD being soulless is just missing the love songs. Sometimes you hear people saying that they find the songs where she sings about other people like Harry's House, less interesting. I think it's because when they are personal they are mostly about emotional crises and help you get over your own. It's as simple as that... Is what I think! She touched my heart and helped me get out of emotional misery - so when she says 'now let's take a look at other people's problems' I go 'oh no we were just having such a good time looking at MY heart...!' hehe... Bn Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:48:36 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine OK, here's a question (probably naive): do you all think we miss the love songs? I mean, her songs about love, in its many forms, have not only marked many milestones in my life, but probably shaped the way I, in restrospect, perceive some of my own relationships. Would Shine have been a very different CD had JM written a song that, perhaps restropectively, looked back on a relationship or a complicated romantic life? I'm sure those of us who have aged with her would probably have related to such a song. - - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:25:57 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: The Anticlimactic Shine It is a fact that we do not have the resources to feed and provide health care for everyone on this earth; I thought that was generally looked upon as the result of over-population. Combined with very bad allocation of resources, of course. But maybe this is not really a scientific statement, just the kind of thought that comes into your mind when you hear that the Mount Everest has been climbed by more than a thousand people. It's beginning to feel like there isn't a quiet space left here. When you find one you are surprised not to hear someone else's mobile phone going off. Bene Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:13:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine This isn't a comment on the record as I don't have it yet. Just a thought on one part of what you wrote. I imagine, that where Joni lives, it does appear as if there are too many people & not enough land. I don't think its meant as a scientific comment. I don't think Joni is a factual songwriter, she is an impressionistic one. > And lyrics like "There's just too many people now/tool little land" are simply embarrassing -- human beings might be engaged in gross abuse, mismanagement and poor distribution of resources and destruction of the environment, but is there solid scientific evidence that there are actually too many people on Earth?!!< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 04:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: neat little Vanity Fair vid, Annie Lebowitz - includes Joni hope no one is mortally offended that Joni is stuck with the folkies here. http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/video/2007/folkportfolio_video200711 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:26:18 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Too Much Land, Too Few People On Oct 2, 2007, at 4:56 AM, William Elliott wrote: > > RE: And lyrics like "There's just too many people now/tool little > land" > are > simply embarrassing -- human beings might be engaged in gross abuse, > mismanagement and poor distribution of resources and destruction of > the > environment, but is there solid scientific evidence that there are > actually > too many people on Earth?!!< > KATE: EVER HEAR OF A PLACE CALLED CHINA? IF THERE ARE NOT YET TOO > MANY PEOPLE ON EARTH, THERE SOON WILL BE. > The above statement was not written by Kate. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:37:41 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: neat little Vanity Fair vid, Annie Lebowitz - includes Joni I Love it! Thank you Em r. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:06:41 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: admits to another Joni 'Mondegreen' Ok, so a 'mondegreen' is a misunderstood song lyric where the mind fills in some nonsense substitute lyric, when actual hearing fails. As in most of 'Louis, Louis. (If you don't know the origin of the term, you haven't been paying attention.) So I have always admitted to my Joni mondegreens. I thought I had been finished with them, but...I was listening this morning to the HOSL demo this morning (thanks tape tree!) and realized another one. In Dreamland, I had always transformed 'talking over a glass of rum' to 'talking over a glass sarong'. Silly? You bet! Ever see a glass sarong? anyway, in Connapen (NJ) Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:46:57 +0100 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Another take on Shine Hi folks, I thought it was high time I resubbed, especially given that there's finally some new JC to talk about. Funnily enough, my first post didn't get through, and as I HATED Shine on first listen, perhaps that was a message to give it another try before posting again (though I think first impressions are often the ones that last). All IMO of course... Anyway, after 3 and a half listens, my impressions can be summed up as: Overall, not a great addition to her back catalogue - though as I'm of the opinion that she hasn't made a truly GREAT record since Mingus in 1979, that's not a surprise. Her voice is definitely sounding stronger and better than on the ghastly Travelogue, though to my ears it's still but a shadow of the lovely instrument it was. The lyrics? Very weak, for the most part. There's a good verse here, a couple of good lines there, but there's a lot of chaff too, and I can't bring myself to be satisfied with a few crumbs. Not one but two moans about cell phones; some very heavy-handed finger-pointing; a lift of a line from Ethiopia; and that painful "history - his story - do you see what I did there?" business. Her reading of If has divided opinion, which is no bad thing of course. My take is that, while I'm neither a lover of nor expert on Kipling, If is a fine piece, which says what it says very well. Joni's tinkerings bugged me on two counts: first, the extra verses sound like vain flailing at her critics, and enforces a sense of solipsism which I find unattractive. It's the flip-side of the self-examination which yielded such brilliant songs in her golden period. And second (and I realise this is a point particularly open to debate), I think the end of Kipling's poem is wonderful: "If you can fill the unforgiving minute/with 60 seconds worth of distance run/Yours is the Earth and all that's in it/And - which is more - you'll be a man, my son." I can't be the only one who finds Joni's ending woefully bathetic! Musically, there's some good stuff. I like Night of the Iguana a lot, and I dare say it's even better if you've read the novel. If I Had a Heart is nice (sorry to damn with faint praise), with that lovely chord change in the chorus. Some of the arrangements are very pleasing, although I find a little pedal steel can go a looooong way; and I agree with those who've objected to some of the synth washes. My main gripe is with the actual tunes. There's not one great melody here to these ears, and on a lot of the songs, she seems to be singing little riffs rather than a sustained melody. I remember a TV interview with Betty Wright many years ago where she gleefully 'fessed up that this was what she'd done with "Clean Up Woman" - there wasn't a tune as such, she just busked it. I'll listen to Shine again, but I will certainly skip through Hana, which I think is tripe, a horrible mishmash of sounds that just don't work together; the remake of BYT, which is utterly pointless, and replaces the original's vim and zest with artificial HRT - and I'll swear the strummed acoustic is sampled! And I'll skip If. The title song I'm in two minds about: it has a certain beauty (the resignation which several people have written about), but boy is it a long haul, with not much musical interest to sustain it. Joni was taking something of a risk by announcing that she was making a comeback in order to vouchsafe to us her thoughts on the state of the world - - it would have to have been pretty spectacular to live up to that! Then again, I've always found that her most profound songs are the most personal - - and the personal is political. Most of the reviews I've seen in the press have been positive. I wonder if she'll appreciate that... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:48:49 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Shiny Love Songs That doesn't make much sense to me. I've NEVER bought an album based on what topic a songwriter was singing about and I doubt that people do that...pick up a CD, try and figure out the subject matter, and then decide whether or not to buy it. If any of you do engage in that kind of behavior I'd like to hear it. Besides, TTT's sales were not very impressive I'm sure, and she included lots of "Middle-age love songs" on it; Love Puts On A New Face, Crazy Cries, Stay In Touch, Man From Mars, and (sort of) Face Lift. I will be interested to see how the sales go for Shine, it seems to be getting much better exposure and reviews than TTT did. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Bride of Rain Dog" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:58:27 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Shiny Love Songs - -------------- Original message from "William Elliott" : -------------- > - --Aleda Well, sadly it probably would have ultimately increased > sales as most people would sooner listen to topics of love than to the > dire state of the orb. A thematic masterpiece on romantic love in late > middle-age: JM may still have that in her. But, let us face it, the > romance of romantic love wanes with age; at least for most. The sheer > wonder of it really does lie within the territory of the young (and the > real young, not the young at heart). But, from within the crumbling > confines of my graffiti ruins, I digress. Love songs on SHINE? No, I > think not. However disappointed I am by SHINE, I will still listen to it > -- or even TTT or TL -- sooner than I will listen to WTRF (Chinese Cafe > being the exception as well as, ironically enough, LOVE). I barely > missed a step when JM turned her critical eye to the outside world in > the mid-80s; loved DED and still do. Beat of Black Wings, Passion Play, > Sex Kills, et al: these are masterpieces as effective as, say, My Old > Man, A Case of You, or Help Me. And much more interesting. I really > find her later work -- HISSING and beyond -- so much more compelling > than what came before it. Whatever its problems may be, SHINE is not > hindered by an absence of love songs. I really wasn't suggesting Shine be filled with love songs, or even with conventional love songs, but I was curious if people who'd found it somewhat "flat" would have found it, well, less flat, had there been a song that addressed in some ways the complexities of the human heart in a dark time (not to sound too Matthew Arnold or anything). I should have clarified that by "love song" I meant something broader than her early work--as someone posted, I'd count Harry's House (as well as Edith and the Kingpin and Shades of Scarlet Conquering) as songs dealing with the complexities of the human heart. I still haven't listened to Shine enough to know how I feel about it--it often takes me a long time with JM. I am utterly in love with the Hancock album though. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:01:07 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: admits to another Joni 'Mondegreen' And that's OK, as long as you sing "I wrapped that flag around me, like a Dorothy Lamour glass of rum" to offset it. Bob NP: Ani, "You Each Time" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:17:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: neat little Vanity Fair vid, Annie Lebowitz - includes Joni - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > I guess people will always refer to Joni as a folksinger becasue it's > easier to do that. I think you're right about that. But in this instance, it does put her in fine company. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:24:31 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: admits to another Joni 'Mondegreen' I always thought that Richard had "tubes" in his eyes, while the songs he punched were dreaming. It's amazing how mondegreeens happen even when the lyrics are printed inside the record jacket. My favorite all time mondegreens are Creedence Clearwater's "There's a bathroom on the right" and Elton John's "Hold me closer, Tony Danza." I'm sure these are apocryphal, but they amuse me nevertheless. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:01 AM To: Chuck Eisenhardt Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: admits to another Joni 'Mondegreen' And that's OK, as long as you sing "I wrapped that flag around me, like a Dorothy Lamour glass of rum" to offset it. Bob NP: Ani, "You Each Time" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:53:52 -0400 From: motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Shiny Love Songs I think there will always be those people who will remember Joni for "Blue" and such confessional, painful songwriting as that. You know, the people who ONLY use Joni for their own therapy and treatment to sadness or whatever the case is. That is fine I suppose. It's better for Joni to be remembered for something than nothing at all. I'm sure if there were love songs on the album, the critics would have to find something else to bitch about. And you know, there will always be these people who just want Joni to write love songs and stay in that frame. Sadly, they will be missing out I think. There are some beautiful moments on Shine and songs like Harry's House are top notch in my opinion. There is some very vivid description in that song as well as beauty, intrigue, and insight. - -Monika ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine missblux@googlemail.com wrote: >>>Yes! We miss the love songs! I was wondering if that guy (sorry I can't remember who it was) who was complaining about this CD being soulless is just missing the love songs. Hmmm ... As I just told someone, I certainly like this album, but it's not one of my very favorites. I think the lyrics are good in themselves, but yeah, a "Man from Mars" (or whatever) would be nice. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 16:44:10 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Shine on mixed feelings Hi everybody, I think I'm well enough now to phrase some of my impressions of Shine - although so much has been said already I'm not sure I have anything new to add. (And thank you Bob, Jeannie, Bo and I hope I haven't forgotten anyone who wished me well. It's so good to know you care!). It has been very interesting to read everybody's take on Shine, and what a buzz it's been! Thank God I was sick, how would I have been able to keep up otherwise?:-) Before I put in my five cents I have to clear a few things: I'm not a musician and I haven't a clue about composing music. I can't even make out every single instrument played. All I hear is the sound of it all together. I would say that lyrics are more important to me than the music but on the other hand, if the music doesn't sound good, then the lyrics can't save the song. That said, here's what I think about Shine: One week last summer - a perfect piece for daydreaming. It's about feeling happy and content and being where you want to be. I love it. Still waiting for the bear, though. This place - has a country sound to me that I can't really reconcile with the picture of British Columbia in my mind. I would imagine something more Griegian :-) Still not sure whether I like it or not. If I had a heart - I like the way Joni sings this song but I am not too impressed by the lyrics. The lines "too many people now, too little land " have already been discussed. Even though I do agree with Kate that Joni is impressionistic rather than realistic the lines still sound superficial to me, and what's more and worse, they could lead some people to the conclusion that reducing earth's population would be the answer to our problems. It gives me flashes of a certain A Hitler's cry for Lebensraum. Of course Joni did not intend this but it's there. If only she had complicated things a little by saying something about the distribution of resources at least. So, this song makes me feel uncomfortable in other ways than Joni probably imagined any listener would. Hana - If there had been a different melody, this would have been a great song! But the music sounds so harsh it doesn't really go with the lyrics. Sorry, they can't save the song. Bad dreams - too much preaching and fingerpointing for my taste but good music. I am not too fond of the idea of an Eden lost and the thought that we would have been better off without a "sense of self and other". Would our lives have any point in a state like that? BYT - could have done without. Night of the Iguana - now, there is the Joni that I know and love! Here she tells a story of a man torn between rational thinking and dark desire with a melody that fits the lyrics perfectly. And she doesn't moralize or take sides. I love this song! It doesn't really fit with the theme of Shine, though - or does it? Reminds me of songs like Harry's house, Shades of Scarlet, The Priest. Strong and Wrong - there have been discussions of her borrowing from Dylan for This place but what about the line "to hear a robin sing"? Compare that with Dylan's If not for you and the line "couldn't hear a robin sing". I quite like Strong and Wrong even though the lyrics aren't that great. Shine - yes! This is a song about acceptance and hope against hope, and it has a melody that conveys the mood. Definitely a song I will play often. If - was my immediate favourite and still is, along with Night of the Iguana. I must admit though that I do not like all the changes she made, like "not make intellect your game" and "cause you've got the fight etc". But I can live with that. The song has substance; the music underlines it as does Joni's singing. To my ears, Joni's voice sounds stronger than in a long time, and compared to DED. Shine is gentler and wiser. As for the absence of love songs - well, she said in an interview that romantic love was over for her, and you can't write about things that are not part of your life anymore. I think Night of the Iguana is still some sort of love song, anyway. All in all, my feelings about Shine are mixed but I am not willing to compare it to her previous work and decide whether Shine is better or worse or just up to standards. At least, not yet. I'm just happy to have a brandnew JM-cd in my possession, which is more than I ever expected. Shine on, Marion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:06:05 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Shine-first impression Just finally received my Shine/River/Funk This set from Amazon and gave Joni the first listen. I've been reading all the commentaries this past week on the list and heard a few snippets prior to receiving it so I've been expecting an album that "ranks up there with her best" as several listers have claimed. I'm afraid it doesn't make it for me on any level. Lyrically I find it pretty facile, at least for Joni; For another lyricist it might be their finest work. Some of the paradoxes she employs "If I had a heart I'd cry" or "Bad dreams are good" make you ponder for a minute but leave you with nothing. The wagging finger at the corrupt world is fully justified of course as a true response and can work in a song as long as the music around it makes the message irresistable. Passion Play or For the Roses spring to mind as perfectly crafted songs combining harsh criticism with enveloping and powerful music. Shine, the album, (and remember this is after one listen) sounds like a record made my someone who A) just bought their first synthesizer workstation and went through all the presets saying to themself "I'll throw some of this in...it sounds just like a saxophone," or "who needs an electric guitarist, I've got a patch right here," and B) has not listened to any pop/rock music for 10-15 years and is completely unaware how dated and cheesy that approach is. I mean, here's Bob Sheppard on the album, but all the sax section parts are played on the dang keyboard by Joni; Brian Blade same deal...awful JM drum programming. I have nothing against electronic music, and in fact like it a lot (Chaka's album contains lots of synth programming work but it is handled by masters of the craft and her voice has so much soul that it all makes sense). Joni's music is not about hip dance tracks; it is and has always been about heart and authenticity--one lister from England said it perfectly "Joni has always been a byword for authenticity"--that's why the fakeness of the sounds here is so disappointing. I also find there is a lack of strong melody and none of the unexpected chord movement that has always made her music stand up and be noticed. I really really wanted to believe in this one. So far I find little to hang my hat on. But then I'm a huge Travelogue fan, so what do I know? greetings all, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:51:05 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: one week last summer one week last summer I love it. brings out my emotions. . . yesterday my sister put on the stereo and my 6 year old twin neice (Connie) asked me to dance. maybe you can imagine the joy Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:14:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: A couple Herbie comments BSN is beautiful... and yes it is musically almost unrecognizable but I believe it is a beautiful interpretation of the lyric, I get a very visual response to this song and feel like I am floating on cloud. Leonard's Jungle Line is simply astonishing and brings that lyric so sinisterly to life... damn that Joni is a good writer. Anyway this tune seems like a perfect marriage between vocalist and material. Shine on!!!... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:23:52 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Re: Now that I have Shine... ///"Come In From The Cold" once, and was excited because no one has covered that one as yet, at least as far as I know./// the one and only Ashara did a beautiful cover a few Jonifests ago and as I recall she had a lovely backup girls group... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:12:55 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: NPR site Green Flag Song Remember, Joni has always said her music and painting are inextricably entwined. Check out the audio slideshow and you'll get some of the impact of this exhibit. If you're in the New York area, it's a must see. If you can get to New York, don't miss it. Through Oct. 10. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14766057 CC _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:22:36 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: RE: When you get Shine Marianne Wrote: <<< ON THE DAY. . . . thE SPeciAL dAY that you get SHINE, LOG in and tell us WHERE and EXACTLY WHEN you GET IT! >>> Mine came today in the post. Not terribly exciting, really. But then I remembered taking the bus into Egham (Surrey, UK where lots of poor animals have just been culled due to foot and mouth) to wait for the record shop to open so I could get my copy of 'Clouds' on the day it came out. I was there when the shop opened and rushed home where I played it and played it and played it, thinking I was the ONLY ONE in the whole wide world who cared that much about her music. I felt so alone with this great love for Joni's music. Yet today, decades later, there you all are - examining the words, looking at the sentiment - it's really, really wonderful, to me. I am so moved to have another Joni record. I thought I'd never see the day. Joni, you and your fans ROCK! Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:08:59 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Now that I have Shine... Absolutely - and if I counted Jonifest performances as covers on the website it would double overnight. Matter of fact, many of my favorite Joni covers are from the many Jonifest performances over the years. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Pearl Of The Quarter" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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If you're in the New York area, it's a must see. If you can get to New York, don't miss it. Through Oct. 10.>>>>> CC> _________________________________________________________________> Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power.> http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:37:48 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: RE: telling singers to sing Joni - cassandra wilson content Joseph, I just got out the CD for New Moon Daughter and was going to download A Little Warm Death to my computer so I could try to describe where the mystery-riff but alas! my stoopid husband has once again left a jewel case empty and me with NO IDEA where the darned CD is. I thought it was girls who were supposed to be guilty of this. Not in our family. It may be on my external hard-drive and I'll check that later, but in the meantime it's fun to send my husband menacing email. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:47:57 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Shiny Love Songs - -------------- Original message from Bob.Muller@Fluor.com: -------------- > > sales as most people would sooner listen to topics of love than to the > dire state of the orb.> > > That doesn't make much sense to me. I've NEVER bought an album based on > what topic a songwriter was singing about. . . . I must admit I haven't either. I will admit I bought the single "Let's Impeach the President" without having heard it. So at least one topic (and of course it _was_ Neil Young) spurred a purchase. Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:50:07 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Joni Mitchell radio special - 2 hrs Courtesy of a friend, through another music list..... B ======= Thought some folks out there might find this interesting. These are shows that are produced here in Albuquerque. The last one I heard was quite good, so it might be worth a listen if you are a Joni fan. The Emergence of Joni Mitchell Wednesday, Oct. 3 from 1:30 - 4:00 pm Mountain Time on KUNM (89.9 FM / or listen online at www.kunm.org ( http://www.kunm.org> )). ..a two-hour examination of one of the most heralded songwriters of her time, Joni Mitchell. In this third installment of his series on the seminal work of important figures in popular music, Ingles and guest commentators explore how Joni Mitchell crafted her artistry and connected with audiences over four decades. Mitchell put the experience of being a woman and being human on artful display through her blatantly honest and confessional lyrics, innovative open guitar tunings and jazz-inflected vocals. The program focuses on Mitchell's key releases to illuminate the musicianship of the woman Rolling Stone called "one of rock's most daring and uncompromising innovators." By mixing Mitchell's music from these pivotal moments with informed commentary from musicians, fans, music critics and archival interviews with Mitchell herself, The Emergence of Joni Mitchell articulates what music lovers have found so compelling about this thoughtful and innovative writer and performer. Special guests include music writers Ann Powers, Anthony DeCurtis, Paul Zollo, Lydia Hutchinson, and Holly George-Warren. Also featured are musicians Shawn Colvin, Lucy Kaplansky, Herbie Hancock and others. Joni Mitchell's first album with new songs in over 10 years has just been released. More details, an audio preview and some pictures at http://www.paulingles.com/mitchell.h tml ( http://www.paulingles.com/mitchell.html> ) from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:26:19 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Joni on eBay Interesting Joni item on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Joni-Mitchells-Blue-Production-Mistake_W0QQitemZ290166688016QQihZ019QQcategoryZ306QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting Warmly, Cassy NP: 103.7TheMountain.Com streaming audio - currently a commercial ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:56:17 +0200 From: Danilo Monno Subject: Strong And Wrong Chords Hi guys! Does anybody already know the chords to SAW? It's really hard for me to find them out by myself... It's becoming my favourite Shine song and I want to play it! Hugs Danilo _________________________________________________________________ Scarica GRATIS la versione personalizzata MSN di Internet Explorer 7! http://optimizedie7.msn.com/default.aspx?mkt=it-it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:09:49 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: shiny love songs Ok, i will comment here: it's not that I miss the love songs, per se, but the autobiographical stuff. You know, I have to say that while I love DED and the social commentary on that album, I am just getting tired of the whole "the world is a hell and everyone and everything is to blame." And I know that that is a sweeping statement, so please don't react to it. But what I mean is, I am not necessarily looking for songs of passionate love, but just maybe her take of love/sex/dating/relationships/solitude/whatever at this point of her life. And as I myself age and realize that I am closer to 40 than I am to 30 now, the lines from "Nothing Can Be Done" really hit home with me (I know most people, Muller included, hated that one), especially the "I am not old, I'm told/But I am not young" and the "must I surrender with grace what I loved when I was younger" bit. Anyway, after we have been privy to so much of her life through song, I'd love to h ear her thoughts and feel her emotions, especially now that she has lost her mother, and is single, and has a complicated relationship with her daughter, what regrets she has, what she looks forward to, and all of that. I know the world can be a hell. I know that some people are greedy and shallow. I know that the business sucks. But what about the rest of it? I think that is what I long for. Not so much the love songs, but the life songs. But she's at the piano again, so that almost makes up for it! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:46:42 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: my take on Shine - I know you all have been waiting I've been listening for a week now. I have to force myself to play any other music, and everything else pales by comparison. I love her singing on this record; I love the piano. The music is beautiful and memorable. The title tune makes me teary, and it's not even about the words - it's just the melody and the voice that breaks my heart a little. The lyrics? Not so great, not nearly at the level of Hejira or DJRD. I'm accustomed to social commentary that's more nuanced and more poetic (Bruce Cockburn, for example). On the other hand, I don't turn to Joni for political analysis, and she does manage a line or two that has some beauty in it. It seems that in this record Joni is all heart (or all nerves and feelings, maybe), and so the wordsmith part of her is scaled back. I'm luxuriating in the sounds, and have I mentioned I love her singing on this record? BTW, just got my Herbie Hancock record yesterday, and haven't absorbed it yet, but Joni's singing on Tea Leaf Prophecy is head and shoulders above her performance on CMIARS. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:22:54 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Night of the Iguana (The Movie) I found the movie "Night of the Iguana" will be showing on TCM (Turner Classic Movies) on Thursday, Oct. 4 at 8 a.m. if any of you want to record it. I love TCM because it has no commercials during the movies. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Night of the Iguana First of all if you havent seen the play(Bette Davis was in the original broadway production in case you play trivia tonight) or the movie..The movie is on TCM this thursday at 11am.. Set ur Tivo :) Secondly it's one of my favorite songs on the record..Honestly I havent had enough time to pick out a fave but Ive always been a fan of joni's more up-tempo stuff and I love Tennesee Williams so it's really a perfect fit..Shine is a TRIUMPH! I really want to write a full length "review" but I threw my back out and it's kinda hard to sit here and type but rest assured it's a comin...Until then I'll lay down and listen to my favorite album to come out all year.. We are really blessed.. xoxoxox Kev - --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:09:00 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni on eBay hmmm....an interesting item but personally I think $400 is a bit much. Pressed vinyl with mistakes is not as uncommon as they are making it out to be. I have a Bruce Hornsby album "The Way It Is" that has the correct music on it but the labels were printed for an Alabama album. I actually got him to sign the record when he I met in once in Atlanta. I imagine its worth something but I'll probably just hold on to it. Victor NP: Grateful Dead "Looks Like Rain" 3-24-88 Atlanta-The Omni On Oct 2, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Cassy wrote: > Interesting Joni item on eBay > > http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Joni-Mitchells-Blue-Production- > Mistake_W0QQitemZ290166688016QQihZ019QQcategoryZ306QQssPageNameZWDVWQQ > rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting > > Warmly, > Cassy > > NP: 103.7TheMountain.Com streaming audio - currently a commercial ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:14:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Night of the Iguana (The Movie) I've put in a request to the library to borrow it and I think it's on its way. I tried to get "White Banners" too. They have the book but not the film, so I've ordered the book. - --- Lindsay Moon wrote: > I found the movie "Night of the Iguana" will be > showing on TCM (Turner > Classic Movies) on Thursday, Oct. 4 at 8 a.m. if any > of you want to record > it. I love TCM because it has no commercials during > the movies. > > Lindsay > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:34:50 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: RE: Night of the Iguana (The Movie) Here is a link to a synopsis of the movie on Turner. They have a place you can request that it be shown and ask you to provide a brief reason why. Let's all write in! You can also place a vote to have it released on DVD. I'll keep an eye out for it. http://www.tcmdb.com/title/title.jsp?stid=3429 Lindsay - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:14 PM To: Lindsay Moon; joni list Subject: Re: Night of the Iguana (The Movie) I've put in a request to the library to borrow it and I think it's on its way. I tried to get "White Banners" too. They have the book but not the film, so I've ordered the book. - --- Lindsay Moon wrote: > I found the movie "Night of the Iguana" will be showing on TCM (Turner > Classic Movies) on Thursday, Oct. 4 at 8 a.m. if any of you want to > record it. I love TCM because it has no commercials during the > movies. > > Lindsay > Catherine - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:04:34 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: M\Richard's weird vanity offering OK, so I was transferring these old cassette tapes to digital and I came upon this tape I recorded in my parents' basement in 1975. On this tape was my version of "That Song About the Midway." I was 20 and, well, on medication, but I think it's pretty ok despite wavering vocals. If you want it, here it is: http://download.yousendit.com/E40872C11126F779 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #311 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)