From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #309 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 2 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 309 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on NPR's "All Things Considered" TODAY, 9/28 [Victor Johnson ] Re:correction [Victor Johnson ] Re: when you get shine ["Cassy" ] Re: Joni on NPR's "All Things Considered" TODAY, 9/28 [Mark-Leon Thorne <] Now that I have Shine... ["Cassy" ] Re: Bjork's boho dance [Garret ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest DVD's ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: A strange combination [M C ] Re: Now that I have Shine... [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: If, and all the 'adaptations' [ajfashion@att.net] Re: The Anticlimactic Shine [ajfashion@att.net] Re: SJC - basically about the wonders of being a jmdlista... [jeannie ] Re: Bo writes [Motitan@aol.com] Favorite Shine music... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: telling singers to sing Joni [ajfashion@att.net] Just got Shine (and going to see Neil) [PassScribe@aol.com] Quick Mingus review..... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: failure notice [jeannie ] Re: Quick Mingus review..... [ajfashion@att.net] RE: failure notice ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: failure notice/Richard [jeannie ] NPR Sep 28 story link - fotos & text ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: telling singers to sing Joni - cassandra wilson content [ajfashion@at] Shine Review in Sydney Morning Herald [Melissa Gibbs Subject: Re: Joni on NPR's "All Things Considered" TODAY, 9/28 On Oct 1, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Michael Flaherty wrote: > waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: >>>> No you don't. You speak for yourself only. Everyone's welcome to >>>> their own opinion but don't presume to speak for other people. > > Victor > > > > Oh, come on, Victor. So there's no evidence that > Hancock rates Joni above the other songwriters from her era? How > about Charles Mingus? Do you think he really considered anyone else? From an interview with Herbie Hancock, 1995 IGN: You're one of the very few jazz artists who have continued to succeed over several decades not as a nostalgia act but by creating new and different music. What do you think is the key to continued success in an industry that feeds off of youth and novelty? Hancock: Well, the strongest thing that any human being has going is their own integrity and their own heart. As soon as you start veering away from that, the solidity that you need in order to be able to stand up for what you believe in and deliver what's really inside, it's just not going to be there. So that's one thing. The other thing is to - and this is the advice I try to give to anyone - is forget about trying to copy someone else. Forget about trying to compete with someone else. Create your own pathway. Create your own new vision. There's an infinite number of ways to look at things, so find one that hasn't been done. Or find a way that something hasn't been done. I made a collaborative record. A lot of collaborative records have been done before, but I don't think they've been done like this. - ------------------------- This is along the lines of what I'm getting at. Everybody has a unique vision...Joni MItchell, Stevie Wonder, Tom Waits, Jerry Garcia, Neil Young, Van Morrison, or who ever...one is not better than the other, they're just different. But as Herbie says, there's an infinite number of ways to look at things, so there you go.. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:26:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: film about Joni's ballet - --- Kate Johnson wrote: > Joni Mitchell-inspired ballet caught on film > > article here: http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/news/arts_life/story.html?id=6120435c-307d-4dca-acbf-d51ca2d56ccf Thanks Kate! And as I said before, I'm ready to burn 50 copies on dvd is someone can seed it with a clean dvd of the Bravo Canada broadcast later this month. Anyone?? Brian in south jersey np: the hum of the vibratory brass tumbler - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:25:20 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re:correction should read from an interview with Herbie Hancock 2006...sorry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:07:09 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: when you get shine Sweet Marianne made a request: <<< ON THE DAY. . . . thE SPeciAL dAY that you get SHINE, LOG in and tell us WHERE and EXACTLY WHEN you GET IT! >>> I was beginning to despair over ever getting my copy of Shine. I had a little set-to with Amazon over their taking pre-orders then not shipping on the day of the release. I confronted them about the email I received stating that the release date had been changed! Knowing the JMDL members already had Shine in their CD players I could not believe the audacity of such a claim. As it turned out, it was the Herbie Hancock release which had delayed my shipment, Amazon did not have it to ship and they were combining my two CDs into one package. I don't know if all Amazon locations had the same problem or not, or if it was, perhaps, related to the additional Amazon-exclusive tracks. (they state that ACOY and All I Want are both exclusive tracks). I was on my way out to a dinner party on Saturday evening about 5:30 P.M. PST and stopped by my mailbox on the way out. There I sat, all dressed up in my finest silver while Brad ran over to the box and came back with his hands behind his back, his face was shining with happiness knowing he was about to make my week. He handed the package to me with my mail and I decided to wait to open it until after the party so I wouldn't become a sniveling mess and ruin my makeup. I am wondering whether crying is a gender reaction to new Joni? I know when the first strains of BSN strings began to play when I had finally opened my stupid chocolate box copy of BSN tears slid down my cheeks out of nowhere and as I've followed the emails of people's reactions to Shine, I've noted that many of the ladies have similar emotional reactions, I don't recall any of the men saying they were emotionally moved - then again it could be that men just don't want to say they're moved to tears, or that I missed those posts. I felt on the edge of tears knowing I finally had the CD in my possession but stuffed it down until I could let myself absorb it more thoroughly. Hope that feeds your curiosity Marianne. love, love, love, Cassy NP: Herbie Hancock - A Case of You (listening to the European import and the Amazon "exclusive" back to back/back and forth to see if they are exactly the same recording. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:41:25 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni on NPR's "All Things Considered" TODAY, 9/28 I totally agree with you, Jim. I find that I am playing this album more and more. It seems to be addictive. And you're right, it's not just because it's Joni's songs. Herbie is a genius. Mark in Sydney On 01/10/2007, at 5:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > RE: Joni on NPR's "All Things Considered" TODAY, 9/28 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:23:44 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Now that I have Shine... I have completely surprised myself by not even opening Shine yet to listen to it. I have read the posts with reviews both positive and negative and can't bring myself to listen to it in it's entirety yet. I'm not sure why. I have been living on nerves and feelings for a little while now, having a bit of an emotional meltdown after moving so far away from my family and friends. I HAVE listened to Herbie Hancock's latest release several times... In my opinion it's a masterpiece. Each of the Diva's has her own contribution to the project and I refuse to make comparisons because I'm enjoying each of them in their own right. It's difficult not to think of the way Joni turns a phrase or colours the lyrics but these women (and Leonard Cohen) are talented and brave beyond words to take on this project in the company of brilliant jazz musicians; I raise my glass to them regardless of popular opinion. (I do believe the absolute wretchedness of some of the covers has prepared me well for this CD - Thank you Bob) I am unsure as to whether I will share my personal opinions about Shine with the group because they are exactly that... personal opinions. Warmly, Cassy NP: Bryan Thomas - Untitled ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:27:22 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Bjork's boho dance Hi Bob, thanks for the tracks (and to all the others that offered to send it along too). You know sometimes when you feel that you must hear a certain song? That's how i was about that song yesterday. I still have not located my copy of tribute, but not surprising given how hectic and crazy things have been since early august. GARRET NP- Devendra Banhart, The Spirit Is Near On 9/30/07, Bob Muller wrote: > Garret - your Bjork is attached. I accidentally called it "The Bobo Dance" > which gave me a pretty good chuckle. > > Also, here's a link where you (and anyone else for that matter) can get > Herbie's cover of "A fCase Of You". It's not included on the US domestic > release, nor on the Amazon issue, nor the I-tunes download. (Warning - it's > an instrumental, so if those soprts of things make you angry - be > forewarned. I will not be responsible for any acts of terrorism caused by > exposure to this track). > > http://tinyurl.com/3ydeq8 > > Bob > > NP: Karrin Allyson, "Blue Motel Room" > > PS: Get off digest - you'll have an earier time of keeping up. Really. > > > > > ________________________________ > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:01:51 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest DVD's Could someone please tell me how to get copies? I've asked the list several times but haven't gotten any response, please help!! Thanks, db >>> 9/29/2007 9:43 PM >>> I've gotten my copy of the performances from Jonifest and have been watching them this weekend. They bring me back great memories and remind me how talented Joni's fans are! Thanks guys! - -Monika See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Visit Your Group Beauty & Fashion on Yahoo! Groups Share style tips and advice. Yoga Resources on Yahoo! Groups Take the stress out of your life. Yahoo! Groups Endurance Zone A Yahoo! Group for better endurance.. __,_._,___ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:23:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Now that I have Shine... <(I do believe the absolute wretchedness of some of the covers has prepared me well for this CD - Thank you Bob)> Um...you're welcome. I guess. I do know what you mean. Bob NP: Son Volt, "Circadian Rhythm" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:37:15 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Now that I have Shine... Of course, not all of them are wretched! It's just that having listened to covers from David Devaney Jr's "Big Yellow Taxi" to Roine Stolt's "Sex Kills" and everything in between, one learns to appreciate the quality contributions to the covers world. Just out of curiosity, Bob, have you ever run across a cover that was so bad you wouldn't include it? :) Cas If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com To: Cassy Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Now that I have Shine... <(I do believe the absolute wretchedness of some of the covers has prepared me well for this CD - Thank you Bob)> Um...you're welcome. I guess. I do know what you mean. Bob NP: Son Volt, "Circadian Rhythm" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:44:14 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Now that I have Shine... If it's been officially released on LP, CD, cassette or whatever - I'll release it regardless. After all, as we hear everyday - who am *I* to judge and someone else may really dig it. I heard a live soundboard recording of a performer doing "Come In From The Cold" once, and was excited because no one has covered that one as yet, at least as far as I know. BUT it was sooooooo awful and unlistenable (and it's a LONG song so that is a LOT of misery) I took a pass on it. Had it been better I would have gladly added it. Bob NP: MJohn Doe, "Lean Out Yr Window" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:48:36 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine OK, here's a question (probably naive): do you all think we miss the love songs? I mean, her songs about love, in its many forms, have not only marked many milestones in my life, but probably shaped the way I, in restrospect, perceive some of my own relationships. Would Shine have been a very different CD had JM written a song that, perhaps restropectively, looked back on a relationship or a complicated romantic life? I'm sure those of us who have aged with her would probably have related to such a song. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:01:17 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: SJC - basically about the wonders of being a jmdlista... Bene, You're the one I've been aiming to reach since yesterday afternoon. I need quiet time to devote my thoughts into, without so many distractions, since I have high maintenence distractions here at home, galore!! Animal rescue is extremely demanding of my time. I usually have an animal, or a human or a phone on one arm and reaching for the keyboard with the other. I'm so relieved you're bring out those points of our much needed in-house critiques. I'm so ready to hear what others feel and think, especially now about Shine. And Shine has the sounds that can take us backwards in time and forwards to the future, too. By no means, in any way, form, or fashion, do I even remotely think that Joni is this perfect musician that can make no mistakes musically, lyrically, or in her public or private life. I'm dying to ask Bob and Victor and so many other highly regarded members here on the JMDL so, so many questions concerning Joni's work and so many other of life's issues, because of their tremendous insights with so many things. I don't even know where to start, Bene! And my questions are not about ice cream castles in the air... I want to learn as much as I can here, from all sides, now, Bene! That's why it's taking me time to get passed step one into our castle of knowledge. I hope I can soon be understood by those who love Joni's work, no matter if they're on day 1 or going on 40 years, so we can all share that which matters in our lives. Love, Norma Jean PS to Every One: I thank every single person on this list. missblux@googlemail.com wrote: Hey Jeannie, the Yeats discussion is between you and Aleda so I won't go there again. I want to say that I share your frustration over the way some critics receive Joni's work. With Shine, it is so obvious that the bad reviews are generally by reviewers who have never really been into Joni and who did not bother to listen carefully. It's just frustrating, not just for Joni, but for the world as such, that this kind of superficiality gets any kind of prominent voice. As for critical voices on this list, to me it's an entirely different story. I trust that people are here because at some moment in their lives they have been touched by Joni's music in a way that still has them searching for what she is all about. I don't really know how to put it any better. I take it for understood in every post that we are here because we share that experience. We want to explore it, we want to stay in it and we want to share it or find it in other people. When Catherine says she loathes the way Joni sings the word 'if', when Aleda says she doesn't like what Joni did to Yeat's poem, and when someone else said he has listened to Shine over and over again but finds it soulless, I'm curious to know why they think so because I don't for one moment suspect that they never really 'got' Joni or that they haven't bothered to listen carefully and with an open mind. On top of this, so many people here are extremely gifted and passionate about all sorts of things (you are among them for sure), so when you ask a question you are sure to get really qualified answers. I just think it's such a privilege! There are people I disagree with, but not without respecting their opinion. Like when some people don't like BSN, the CD, and it's my top 2. I accept that some of the criticism against BSN is valid, but it doesn't upset me because the CD just fills me with awe over and over again. It doesn't have that effect on them, and so what? If Joni's music lifts me to some higher spiritual place I don't want it to be some place from which I can condescend on others. Man, there are so many things in this world I don't get so who am I to condescend? OK sorry this email is getting very long. And I am not too clear about what I am trying to say, sorry sorry! Have a good day - I'm about to go out here. Best Bene Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:21:47 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: NJC: Re: If, and all the 'adaptations' Hey there, Bene! I'll reply to your post when I get back home after getting Herbie's latest and Frida's book of letters. These little lyrical/poetic details concerning Yeats and the disaster Joni did to Yeats' peom, 'The Second Coming,' Aleda refers to, seem so petty and tiring to discuss any longer, but I must respond just to whatever, keep the peace, maybe, and to be able to debate in a friendly fashion? Joni sure has to endure extremely harsh critical judgements after her works get released, huh? I don't get this too well, just yet, and please understand, Bene, I don't get upset, just frustrated at this point, but never does the world exalt without putting down, and that's all part of the deal that comes with fame and fortunes just really get in the way, maybe because of jealousies or what? I'll figure this out, somehow. Too many earthly business issues with outdated rules of the game to deal with when I know Joni from a place that's much higher and greater than the commotions of the crowds of many crazy crows down below. I'll soon return to reply! Best to you, Bene, Bye, Jeannie - --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Bo writes Hi JoniListers! I enjoy history....on page 219 from the book"Joni Mitchell...both sides now (Brian Hinton). "What does she think of Dave Crosby's quote that she is "about as modest as Mussolini"? Joni smiles and shakes her head. " I like to work myself up to a state of enthusiasm about anything I do; otherwise, what's the point? I'm not talking about arrogance. That's probably where Crosby's quote comes from." Finally, then, what makes her happy? "It might be a beautiful face that would make me put the microphone down. I would just be thinking fondly of someone who I love. You can strive and strive and strive to be happy, but happiness will sneak up on you in the most peculiar ways. Some days the way the light strikes things. Or for some beautifully immature reason like finding myself running to the kitchen to make myself some toast. Happiness comes to me even on a bad day. In very, very strange ways. I'm very happy in my life right now." This was a quote from Joni when she was 36 years old. I'd venture a guess that Joni, of course, has the life wisdom (and so much more experiences) now that she's 63, but I betcha if she were questioned in similar ways, she just might say similar things. Please don't misunderstand what I'm trying to say....Joni has much more and different things in/on her mind now...her enormous capacity to gain continuous knowledge, and, I feel has equally capacity to interpret new knowledge, new wisdom right on target.....but, basically, I believe that Joni adopts this same attitude toward life...the excitement, her ability to perceive her world in such a comprehensive manner, noticing minute details. Two more days and I'll be buying my copy of "Shine"....I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!! Marion, how are you feeling? Fever gone? Patti, Happy Birthday to your mother!!! She is blessed having you for her daughter. Thank you to all of you for sharing so much and being a continuous teacher....I'm learning a lot!!!! Love from Bo - --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:15:12 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Bo writes In a message dated 10/1/2007 7:00:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ubehpy2003@yahoo.com writes: Joni has much more and different things in/on her mind now...her enormous capacity to gain continuous knowledge, and, I feel has equally capacity to interpret new knowledge, new wisdom right on target.....but, basically, I believe that Joni adopts this same attitude toward life...the excitement, her ability to perceive her world in such a comprehensive manner, noticing minute details. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---- That's one of the reasons why I like Joni. I LOVE her music. I wouldn't be on this list if I didn't of course! I also like her, how shall I put this? "Restless nature," I suppose. She always gone down new and different roads in her career and I respect her all the more for it. She also is very expressive, perceptive, and has always seemed to be seeking something (atleast that is how it seems from what I read as I don't know her personally). I love that she embraces change rather than fears it or even worse, rejects it. She always does what is in her heart despite what you or critics or I or anyone thinks about it. I applaud and admire her for that among many other things. - -Mon ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:09:25 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Favorite Shine music... Well since we've gone over favorite lyrics/groovy stand out lines from Shine, I thought we could discuss the music a bit for all the music people. Are there any musical passages that you particularly like? Is there any music in any song that you really like? - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:21:08 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: telling singers to sing Joni [Is there an abbreviation for Little Joni Content? LJC? Cause I'm undecided under which category the following post falls!] Wilson's speaking voice is similar to her singing voice, though not. If that makes any sense. The reason she called is because it turned out she had been at this rather large party held in my honor in Oxford MS and no one, not even my husband who knows I adore her, bothered to mention that to me or introduce us. So a mutual friend arranged for her to call me. There's a riff on one of her songs, one Wilson wrote herself, that I know is from some 1970s song, possibly Mitchell. It's haunted me since I got the CD trying to figure out what song it's from. (I mentioned this to Cassandra and she laughed and said she probably stole a lot of stuff from Joni. Of course, in poetry, we call stealing "allusion.") When I get more time, I'll listen and figure out which song and maybe someone on the list can help me figure it out. Although I'm so musically illiterate, I won't be able to say which bar or whatever it occurs in, probably have to say something incredibly inaccurate like a third of the way through the song. I have a couple of Dawn Upshaw CDs (where she sings Sondheim), but does she have a CD with a Mitchell song on it? I'd love to know and get it. (Sorry we missed each other in the P.I., Joseph. I agree with your sentiments vis a vis the American bases there.) - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:36:27 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Just got Shine (and going to see Neil) Wow... I can't believe the amount of buzz going on this site. I haven't even been able to keep up with it all but I finally got over to Borders & picked up Shine on "Educators Week" sale (slightly less than the 25% off sale the album was on.) My first impressions are... it's better than I was expecting but not as good as I'd hoped. (I know... you can't paint another Starry Night and you can't compose another Court & Spark.) I really like the arrangements/instrumentals; I think the music carries the heavy-message-laden lyrics. My favorite cuts so far: "One Week Last Summer" and "If I Had A Heart." Least favorite: "Shine" (too long & monotonous). But, I've only listened to it all the way through once and some cuts twice, so my impressions might change. On a different note: I've gotten a ticket to see Neil Young at Wallingford on Dec. 7th. If anyone else is going & wants to hook up for a drink or chat before or after the show, email me off-list. Kenny B ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:54:12 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Quick Mingus review..... In all the Shine excitement, I held off on my review of Mingus. I actually purchased the album a week or so before getting Shine. I must say the last couple of weeks have been very exciting Joni weeks. All Joni, all the time (well no, not really!). Anyway, first off I don't have anything much to say on the Mingus "raps." I understand their purpose on the album as a tribute to Charles Mingus but you won't find me listening to them every time I grab the album. That being said, for some strange reason I really like the "Happy Birthday 1975" rap (it sounds like everyone is having so much fun!) and the "I's A Muggin'" rap. I actually wish that one went on a little longer as I really dig Joni's singing with Mingus there. Overall, I have to say God bless Joni for making an album like this. She sure is brave and true to her heart to go for what she desires at whatever time despite any conflicts or anybody. I really, really admire that about her. She may say quite a few things in different interviews but she always follows her heart regardless. I have to say I was a little nervous before hearing the album. I am not all that familiar with jazz (though I can dig some of what I have heard and I do want to go to a jazz club). I've always been sort of a rock and roll girl and have read that this was Joni's jazziest album. In addition, this isn't all Joni which I was a little worried about. Every other album it was just and all Joni (well mainly) unlike this album in which she collaborates with Charles Mingus. I was also a little nervous but EXCITED to hear the album because of all the controversy it had stirred in its time. Ah, good ol' controversy. If I had to grade the album, I would give it a B (an 83-84%). Musically, it is very sophisticated. Lyrically, it is a departure from previous material. It isn't my favorite Joni album so far but it isn't my least favorite either (LOTC still holds that spot for some reason though I do like the album). It's quite a tribute to Charles Mingus. If I were in his family, I would be very honored to have had Joni record this album in honor of him. Track by track review: 2. God Must Be A Boogie Man- Afer the first listen, this was the song that was in my head. The lyric, "God must be a boogie man" repeated over and over and over in my head. This is probably one of my favorite tracks from the album. It has a very cool, sophisticated sound. 4. A Chair In The Sky- I also enjoy this song. I like the really mellow sound to it and consider this a favorite of mine as well. 5. The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey- First off, I love that crisp, cutting guitar sound. It really does remind me of a wolf. It bites (not bites as in "sucks"). It growls. I just love the guitar. I can take or leave the actual howling in the song but I understand its purpose. I'm tempted to play this aloud for my dog to hear and to see his reaction. 7. Sweet Sucker Dance- I don't like this track. It does absolutely nothing for me. It seems to drag, start from nowhere, and go nowhere. 9. The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines- Talk about a change from the rest of the album! The album had been very, very mellow and "cool" until this point. This is a refreshing change with its bouncy music and beat. I consider this a favorite of mine as well. I must say I love the part Joni sings, "lucky, lucky" and it repeats a few times. That is my probably my favorite part on the entire album. 11. Goodbye Pork Pie Hat- I'm still trying to absorb this song fully. As a tribute, it works perfectly. As a song, I still am working on it. Get back to me. - -Monika, who lied about giving a quick Mingus review...although this was much shorter than previous reviews... ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: failure notice Aleda, here you go. My e-mail address is blocked. That's all will say for now. I'm through with your negative ways. Please leave me completely alone privately, okay? If you have something to say to me or about me, tell me directly, through the JMDL. Understood, Aleda? Norma Jean PS: To all others, I apologize for this ugliness. - --- MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to > the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it > didn't work out. > > : > 12.102.252.75 does not like recipient. > Remote host said: 551 not our customer > Giving up on 12.102.252.75. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 03:19:14 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Quick Mingus review..... Monika, I don't own this CD (thought I have several cuts on other CDs) so I appreciate this review. After Hejira I went through a kind of Joni-less period, which ended when Hits and Misses came out. So I'm catching up. This kind of post is helpful to those of us whose knowledge of Mitchell has some holes. Aleda - -------------- Original message from Motitan@aol.com: -------------- > In all the Shine excitement, I held off on my review of Mingus. I actually > purchased the album a week or so before getting Shine. I must say the last > couple of weeks have been very exciting Joni weeks. All Joni, all the time > (well no, not really!). > Anyway, first off I don't have anything much to say on the Mingus > "raps." I understand their purpose on the album as a tribute to Charles Mingus > but > you won't find me listening to them every time I grab the album. That being > said, for some strange reason I really like the "Happy Birthday 1975" rap > (it sounds like everyone is having so much fun!) and the "I's A Muggin'" rap. > I actually wish that one went on a little longer as I really dig Joni's > singing with Mingus there. > Overall, I have to say God bless Joni for making an album like this. > She sure is brave and true to her heart to go for what she desires at whatever > time despite any conflicts or anybody. I really, really admire that about > her. She may say quite a few things in different interviews but she always > follows her heart regardless. > I have to say I was a little nervous before hearing the album. I am not > all that familiar with jazz (though I can dig some of what I have heard and > I do want to go to a jazz club). I've always been sort of a rock and roll > girl and have read that this was Joni's jazziest album. In addition, this > isn't all Joni which I was a little worried about. Every other album it was > just > and all Joni (well mainly) unlike this album in which she collaborates with > Charles Mingus. I was also a little nervous but EXCITED to hear the album > because of all the controversy it had stirred in its time. Ah, good ol' > controversy. > If I had to grade the album, I would give it a B (an 83-84%). > Musically, it is very sophisticated. Lyrically, it is a departure from > previous > material. It isn't my favorite Joni album so far but it isn't my least > favorite > either (LOTC still holds that spot for some reason though I do like the > album). It's quite a tribute to Charles Mingus. If I were in his family, I > would > be very honored to have had Joni record this album in honor of him. > > Track by track review: > 2. God Must Be A Boogie Man- Afer the first listen, this was the song that > was in my head. The lyric, "God must be a boogie man" repeated over and over > and over in my head. This is probably one of my favorite tracks from the > album. It has a very cool, sophisticated sound. > 4. A Chair In The Sky- I also enjoy this song. I like the really mellow > sound to it and consider this a favorite of mine as well. > 5. The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey- First off, I love that crisp, cutting > guitar sound. It really does remind me of a wolf. It bites (not bites as in > "sucks"). It growls. I just love the guitar. I can take or leave the actual > howling in the song but I understand its purpose. I'm tempted to play this > aloud for my dog to hear and to see his reaction. > 7. Sweet Sucker Dance- I don't like this track. It does absolutely nothing > for me. It seems to drag, start from nowhere, and go nowhere. > 9. The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines- Talk about a change from the rest of the > album! The album had been very, very mellow and "cool" until this point. > This is a refreshing change with its bouncy music and beat. I consider this a > favorite of mine as well. I must say I love the part Joni sings, "lucky, > lucky" and it repeats a few times. That is my probably my favorite part on the > entire album. > 11. Goodbye Pork Pie Hat- I'm still trying to absorb this song fully. As a > tribute, it works perfectly. As a song, I still am working on it. Get back > to me. > > -Monika, who lied about giving a quick Mingus review...although this was > much shorter than previous reviews... > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:23:06 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: failure notice You have typed the wrong e-mail address, that's why the message bounced. No need to be paranoid about it. Proper email address: ajfashion@att.net It seems you forgot the aj part. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of jeannie Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:04 PM To: Joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: failure notice Aleda, here you go. My e-mail address is blocked. That's all will say for now. I'm through with your negative ways. Please leave me completely alone privately, okay? If you have something to say to me or about me, tell me directly, through the JMDL. Understood, Aleda? Norma Jean PS: To all others, I apologize for this ugliness. - --- MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to > the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it > didn't work out. > > : > 12.102.252.75 does not like recipient. > Remote host said: 551 not our customer > Giving up on 12.102.252.75. ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: failure notice/Richard Richard, I'm not paranoid. Where do you get I was typing in the wrong address? On the only private reply I ever sent Aleda, after one of her off-list e-mails to me, I just clicked "Send" and it came back, like this. I never typed in her address. I don't know it. This is not paranoia, it's just the way it is! Jean - --- MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to > the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it > didn't work out. > > : > Connected to 204.127.208.75 but sender was rejected. > Remote host said: 550-69.147.96.242 blocked by > ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=worldnet,dc=att,dc=net > 550 Blocked for abuse. See > http://www.att.net/general-info/rblinquiry.html > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message. > > Return-Path: > Received: (qmail 49785 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep > 2007 22:13:26 -0000 > DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; > s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; > > h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; > > b=LncYcdnP52tX6/8mgv1vDxRK63U9/SJn1n6f4kTE58gZKNb40S8MGr9rAwDHlfrPLMMgruh8udvqzG7H3mlXv4jy8fMcMQWtYFlHwxC3/E6qjz8rbxkHeNqECGEQvvx57J+9SRw2XsZ2pHyvLJhZT+utZ9QMaCQxtv8kv/lhlc8=; > X-YMail-OSG: > dsC01tsVM1lR6LPXWC03wouPd2kTRVwJlES8KBGxI9_Ye3yl111wlamBDDV8QJbx4f9iaxdjl9X.26pE.eQ8O0Q78bf2Z622235RbWJpovasxfUuUwHSvA-- > Received: from [24.174.180.95] by > web63015.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Sep > 2007 15:13:26 PDT > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:13:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: jeannie > Subject: Re: OFFLIST Re: If, and all the > 'adaptations' NJC > To: ajfashion@att.net > In-Reply-To: > <093020072150.11149.47001A0A000C8FE600002B8D2160280651020107089C0E00060E@att.net> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="0-433773978-1191190406=:46507" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Message-ID: > <136038.46507.qm@web63015.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > > --0-433773978-1191190406=:46507 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > What does your mispelling of Hayden Herrera's last > name have to do with her stealing one of your > friend's boyfriends away? > > That's some sort of deflective device of yours, it > seems to me. > > You, as a human, do not disturb me, other than > your better than thou preachiness and persistence to > prove you are right without giving room to move > around. Too much rigidity for me! > > Let's just call it a day. I'm tired of this > nonsense. It's not fun to discuss with you these > issues concerning the lyrics and poetry and all that > other petty stuff that means absolutely nothing to > me. > > Enough annoyance for a week. > > I've got to go now! I am gonna go find Herbie > Hancock's album. Hopefully I can find a copy at > Target because it got late. Besides, there's still > so much for me to do before I can free myself into > my music and books. > > I heard an awesome, private recording of Herbie > and Carlos jamming together. It was incredible. > That's what I'd love to hear right now! > > Okay, bye, Aleda!! > > Jeannie > > Please let's just try to understand one another. > > > > > > > > ajfashion@att.net wrote: ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:58:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NPR Sep 28 story link - fotos & text Gorgeous photos! http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14766057 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:10:05 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: telling singers to sing Joni - cassandra wilson content aleda- i'll be really interested when you let us know which cassandra song you're referring to. i have three of her studio albums (as well as a concert boot) and i really love her. if i own the song you're thinking of, i want to figure out which riff you're talking about. let me play this game too!! plus, i saw cassandra in concert in central park this summer and it immediately jumped near the top of my list of all-time best concert experiences. she was truly amazing, a great artist. i haven't been that joyful over a concert in a long time. i've heard dawn upshaw sing a joni song live (i can't even remember which song, i'm embarrassed to say) and i thought she'd recorded it at some point, but a brief google and amazon search met with no success. i did kick this up from the jmdl archives: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:46:11 -0700 Subject: Dawn Upshaw and Joni From: "jan glas" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:59:09 +0100 Dawn Upshaw was a guest in a musicprogram on Dutch television last sunday. She made a point about how inportant the music of Joni Mitchell has been and still is in her life. Plays her music at home, especially in the kitchen and takes her music always with her on her many travels, so she said. She called joni Mitchell 'a great composer'. Dont we like to hear this kind of talk! Then the lp 'the hissing of summer lawns' was taken out of the cover and put on the turntable, and and we could see Dawn beaming all over the place while listening to a bit of the theme song. I never related Joni with the word 'composer', but Upshaw said it and i cant get it away from Joni anymore. Jan Glas NP: Harry's House/centerpiece i thought that would make you happy... patrick np - peter gabriel, mercy street aj wrote >There's a riff on one of her songs, one Wilson wrote herself, that I know is from some 1970s song, possibly Mitchell. It's haunted me since I got the CD trying to figure out what song it's from. (I mentioned this to Cassandra and she laughed and said she probably stole a lot of stuff from Joni. Of course, in poetry, we call stealing "allusion.") When I get more time, I'll listen and figure out which song and maybe someone on the list can help me figure it out. Although I'm so musically illiterate, I won't be able to say which bar or whatever it occurs in, probably have to say something incredibly inaccurate like a third of the way through the song. I have a couple of Dawn Upshaw CDs (where she sings Sondheim), but does she have a CD with a Mitchell song on it? I'd love to know and get it. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:13:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine This isn't a comment on the record as I don't have it yet. Just a thought on one part of what you wrote. I imagine, that where Joni lives, it does appear as if there are too many people & not enough land. I don't think its meant as a scientific comment. I don't think Joni is a factual songwriter, she is an impressionistic one. >And lyrics like "There's just too many people now/tool little land" are simply embarrassing -- human beings might be engaged in gross abuse, mismanagement and poor distribution of resources and destruction of the environment, but is there solid scientific evidence that there are actually too many people on Earth?!!< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:34:55 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: RE: telling singers to sing Joni - cassandra wilson content Patrick, Just got down all my CWilson CDs. The song's on New Moon Daughter, and I'm 90 per cent sure the riff is in "A Little Warm Death," but I'll listen tomorrow and make certain, and also try to give you some sense of when it occurs in the song. This has seriously been driving me crazy since the first time I listened to the song, and it'd be nice to have all these brilliant music people on here figure it out. Cassandra Wilson is from Jackson. Amazing how this poor bealeagured (sp?) has produced so many extraordinary people. When I spoke to her I told her how much her song, "Memphis," meant to me and it was surprising at how moved she seemed and how interested she was in why I liked it. I guess even people we regard as Very Famous don't get as much imput on their work as we imagine. Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 07:58:32 +1000 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Shine Review in Sydney Morning Herald Hi all Here is a link to a review of Shine that appeared in Saturday's Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/news/cd-reviews/shine/2007/10/01/1191090984940.html Text follows: Five years ago Joni Mitchell declared that she was giving up on making music, refusing to have anything to do with the louses she saw running the industry. Extreme? Special pleading? Cogent and spot on? Whatever your take, it was hard to argue that Mitchell hadn't earned the right to slip away quietly and just paint. More than 20 albums in 35 years, only two maybe I wouldn't happily put on right now, and another six or seven I could never live without. She had nothing more to prove. Then an approach to contribute more music to a ballet set to her songs triggered her muse after a 10-year hiatus. A growing frustration, if not outrage, at the destruction of the planet also fired her soul. "We're busy wasting our time on this fairy tale war, when nobody's fighting for God's creation," she told Rolling Stone. "I haven't written in 10 years, and what's coming out of me is all sociological and theological complaint," she said elsewhere. Not surprisingly then, Shine is an angry album, her most consistently direct attack on greed, ignorance and political and religious bastardry since 1985's Dog Eat Dog. "You cannot be trusted/Do you even know you're lying/You take with such entitlement/You give bad attitude/You have no grace/No empathy," she sings in Bad Dreams. In Strong and Wrong she mocks the egos of powerful men and asks, "Is that what God is for?/Just a rabbit's foot?/Just a lucky paw/For shock and awe?" Images of the intersection of nature and man abound, from the empty nets of fishermen in the title track to the bear rummaging in her garbage bin in This Place , from the sky on fire in If I Had a Heart to the paved-over trees in a re-imagining of her now venerable eco-conscious Big Yellow Taxi. Yet, if anger is the energy in this machine, the music itself runs with such grace and elegance it can take several passes before you hear and see past the beauty, past the warmth, to the sharp tacks of the lyrics. At first, piano leads the album, the mood established from the part French romanticism, part '50s West Coast jazz of the instrumental opener, One Week Last Summer. Some of that mood reappears soon after in If I Had a Heart, this time with lap steel guitar draped over the piano like a summer shawl over bare shoulders. And there is a smoke-drifting-to-the-ceiling ambience around the piano and its synth counterpoint in Bad Dreams. However, Mitchell is not to be so easily confined. Night of the Iguana, with electric guitar pushing itself forward over a loose-limbed bass, is reminiscent of the grooves she explored in the '80s. Hana draws from jazz, without shouting that out, Shine is a step on from the shimmering shapes of 1998's Taming The Tiger and this arrangement of Big Yellow Taxi feels more New Orleans than Laurel Canyon. Mitchell's voice has recovered some of the register thought lost for good by the late '90s and at all times it's a marvellously caressing sound, so rich in detail that the smallest shift, the most subtle adjustment in intonation speaks volumes. It's a very satisfying album. Melissa in sunny Sydney NP: ABC News ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #309 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)