From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #305 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, September 29 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 305 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- shine ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Strong And Wrong [Danilo Monno ] Re: Joni instrumentals get me angry!!! [frednow@aol.com] Re: shine ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Joni instrumentals get me angry!!! [Moni Kellermann ] Re: shine at walmart [Victor Johnson ] Re: Joni instrumentals get me angry!!! [Victor Johnson ] Re: SV: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Pete Seeger: The Power of Song [Bob Muller ] Re: Shine Q/pedal steel [Dave Blackburn ] RE: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? [Michael Flaherty ] The Fox News story fallout continues... ["Les Irvin" ] Re: The Fox News story fallout continues... [Jerry Notaro ] Another Swedish review ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: The Fox News story fallout continues... (part 2) ["mack watson-bush" ] Herbie Hancock interview [Moni Kellermann ] Joni singing Marvin Gaye [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Is it just me...or....? [Bob Muller ] Re: The Fox News story fallout continues... [Bob Muller ] Re: Herbie Hancock on Studio 360 [Bob Muller ] Re: The Fox News story fallout continues... (part 2) [jeannie ] Joni ringtone [J Kendel Johnson ] Re: Joni ringtone [Bob Muller ] Re: shine at walmart ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: shine ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: The Anticlimactic Shine ["starvingartist" ] Re: Joni singing Marvin Gaye ["Mark Scott" ] Re: The Anticlimactic Shine [Victor Johnson ] Re: Shine song playing in your head ["Mark Scott" ] Re: The Anticlimactic Shine [ajfashion@att.net] Re: The Anticlimactic Shine [Bob Muller ] Re: The Anticlimactic Shine ["starvingartist" ] Re: The Anticlimactic Shine ["starvingartist" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:53:38 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: shine Bene asked, >Do you hear seven days in One Week Last Summer? >And do you hear a bear? I think I localized it to 1:59 I don't hear the bear but I *do* hear the 7 verses. I think it's A,B,A,B,A,B,A. Every "A" starts with >bah-DUT... bah-dum> Every "A" section runs 37 seconds. At the end, someone, (usually the oboe voice) "says" >so now you KNOWWWWWW> "A" sections begin at (m:ss) 0:00 1:21 2:42 4:03 I think one of the "B" sections is actually a bridge (instead) but they start at: 0:37 1:58 and 3:19 That's 7 verses. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:53:42 +0200 From: Danilo Monno Subject: Strong And Wrong Am I the only one totally in love with that song? I think that the piano work on SAW is the best I've heard on Shine... Hugs Danilo _________________________________________________________________ Scarica GRATIS la versione personalizzata MSN di Internet Explorer 7! http://optimizedie7.msn.com/default.aspx?mkt=it-it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:07:42 -0400 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni instrumentals get me angry!!! I couldn't disagree more. Apparently so do Herbie Hancock, Keith Jarrett, Fred Hersch, Joshua Redman, David Lahm, and so many others. Besides, I can hear the lyrics loud and clear in my head. All best, Fred - -Fred Simon http://myspace.com/fredsimon - -----Original Message----- Victor Johnson wrote: If you know any friends who play piano, please warn them about the danger of playing Joni Mitchell sans voice. Sadly, this malady is widespread and can especially affect musicians who frequent jazz clubs and other such hangouts. Spread the word! Brought to you by the Association of People Against Playing Joni Mitchell Songs With Just Piano Or Guitar Or Drums or Saxamathingy or Trumpet and With No Singer Which Means No Lyrics Can Be Heard Organization ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:46:21 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: shine I think the bear is is the more humorous movement which is about 1:58, you know, a rather small cuddly bear, having it's fun spilling her garbage.... Jamie On 28/09/2007, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Bene asked, > >Do you hear seven days in One Week Last Summer? > >And do you hear a bear? I think I localized it to 1:59 > > I don't hear the bear but I *do* hear the 7 verses. I think it's > > A,B,A,B,A,B,A. > > Every "A" starts with > >bah-DUT... bah-dum> > > Every "A" section runs 37 seconds. > > At the end, someone, (usually the oboe voice) "says" > >so now you KNOWWWWWW> > > "A" sections begin at (m:ss) > 0:00 1:21 2:42 4:03 > > I think one of the "B" sections is actually a bridge (instead) but they start > at: > 0:37 1:58 and 3:19 > > That's 7 verses. > > Jim L. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:02:06 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Joni instrumentals get me angry!!! Although I am not too fond of ANY Joni covers (whether they are instrumental only or w/voice is not the point for me), I do really appreciate Rachel Z's "Moon At The Window": http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006K0B7/ref=nosim/cagnlace00/ Yeah, that album cover is dull. But I like her piano playing... moni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:24:21 +0000 From: "Owen Duff" Subject: Shine at number 33 on itunes UK Yup... what it says above. Lycos email has 300 Megabytes of free storage... Get it now at mail.lycos.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:30:41 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: shine at walmart On Sep 28, 2007, at 1:48 AM, J Kendel Johnson wrote: > Buying ANY product at Wal-Mart ultimately victimizes the individual > who labored to create it. > Just thinking about Wal-Mart makes me cringe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:25:49 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni instrumentals get me angry!!! To clear up any possible misunderstanding, my last post was a complete farce ala the onion, and not meant to be taken seriously. Though maybe that was obvious. For the record, I would agree with Fred. Victor, definitely planning on playing some Joni this weekend at Wine South... ps. It just occurred to me, "I could drink a case of you", and "you are in my blood like holy wine" seem to fit right into the theme of the weekend! On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:07 AM, frednow@aol.com wrote: > I couldn't disagree more. Apparently so do Herbie Hancock, Keith > Jarrett, Fred Hersch, Joshua Redman, David Lahm, and so many others. > > Besides, I can hear the lyrics loud and clear in my head. > > All best, > Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:50:27 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? I wondered that too. But what would she replace DDT with? Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Les Irvin Skickat: den 27 september 2007 21:21 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: RE: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? One reviewer called the re-recording of this song "pointless". And although I wouldn't go that far, I do find it odd that she didn't update the song completely. She changed "a dollar and a half" to "an arm and a leg", so why not change the "DDT" line as well? DDT is just as obsolete as the $1.50 is. Seems odd to me. Les (not London) - -----Original Message----- Neither Yay nor Nay, just snore city to me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:56:54 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: shine Wow this makes sense Jim! For some reason I can't analyse music like this, when I hear a theme I can tell I've heard it before but I don't remember where in the piece. Shine on my scientific brain with its tunnel vision. This means that the bear that Jamie and I hear comes in right on Thursday! That is, on the third B. You hear it, very softly trodden for a bear, it goes quiet and then you hear it again. Thanks for this! Bene On 9/28/07, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > > > Bene asked, > >Do you hear seven days in One Week Last Summer? > >And do you hear a bear? I think I localized it to 1:59 > > I don't hear the bear but I *do* hear the 7 verses. I think it's > > A,B,A,B,A,B,A. > > Every "A" starts with > >bah-DUT... bah-dum> > > Every "A" section runs 37 seconds. > > At the end, someone, (usually the oboe voice) "says" > >so now you KNOWWWWWW> > > "A" sections begin at (m:ss) > 0:00 1:21 2:42 4:03 > > I think one of the "B" sections is actually a bridge (instead) but they > start at: > 0:37 1:58 and 3:19 > > That's 7 verses. > > Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:04:34 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Shine at number 33 on itunes UK And it's number 5 on Amazon (US). - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:55:03 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: SV: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? Ah, the ever knowing, contemporary Joni. I'm sure she left DDT in because it is again embroiled in controversy. The righties, of late, are claiming the abolishment of DDT was a wrong decision and trying to discredit Rachel Carson. Jerry > I wondered that too. But what would she replace DDT with? > Marion > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Les Irvin > Skickat: den 27 september 2007 21:21 > Till: joni@smoe.org > Dmne: RE: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? > > One reviewer called the re-recording of this song "pointless". And although > I wouldn't go that far, I do find it odd that she didn't update the song > completely. She changed "a dollar and a half" to "an arm and a leg", so why > not change the "DDT" line as well? DDT is just as obsolete as the $1.50 is. > > > Seems odd to me. > Les (not London) > > > -----Original Message----- > Neither Yay nor Nay, just snore city to me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:04:42 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Pete Seeger: The Power of Song Wow! Two posts from Fred in one day. See what a Joni release will do?? I couldn't agree more. Pete has always been one of my heroes. I went to hear him speak at our local high school in 1969. He signed my hand with a marker. Wish it could have turned into a tattoo. I last saw him perform a few years back in NYC with Judy Collins at a benefit for the American Folk Music Museum, obviously much older and tired, but there to lend his support. I hope he gets his right place in history someday. Jerry > Pete Seeger: The Power of Song > > > > > Words are insufficient, in > quantity and quality, to recommend this film highly enough. Some people > say there are no more heroes. Pete Seeger is a true hero ... as a man, > as a musician, as an American, as a citizen of the world. His > integrity, his humanity, his steadfast courage, and his unalloyed > commitment to a better world are unassailable. (Not to mention his > spearheading the miraculous clean-up of the Hudson River.) > > > > > It was almost too much to take watching the clip of Pete singing his > anti-Vietnam anthem Waist Deep In the Big Muddy on The Smothers Brothers Show, > with this line from its last verse: Every time I read the paper, those old > feelings come on/We are waist deep in the Big Muddy and the big fool says to > push on. > Having been blacklisted from radio and TV for 17 years(!) for > expressing his opinions, The Smothers had the courage (and the cachet) > to give him the forum he deserved ... the man who introduced the song We Shall > Overcome > to Martin Luther King, Jr. and to the civil rights movement in America, > a man who unfailingly championed human rights for his entire career, > for his entire life. > > > > > He built his first house with his own hands > as a young man, and he still swings a mean ax at age 88. (Not to > mention his fantastic and innovative banjo chops!) Long live Pete > Seeger, and please go see this film ... if it doesn't bolster your hope > for humankind, nothing will. > > > > > All best, > > > Fred > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Fred Simon > > http://myspace.com/fredsimon > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:17:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Strong And Wrong No way, Danilo - I too love the piano hook, and I think the music is in perfect alignment with the message of the lyric. The part where she transitions from singing "still worshiping our own eeeeegos" back to singing "strong and wrong" is one of those magical musical Joni moments that ONLY she can provide me. I cannot express how joyous I am to hear Joni playing piano again. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Back In Your Arms" - --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Pete Seeger: The Power of Song And Pete does a nice BSN cover, adding an original verse to the end. Only Pete Seeger could do something like that and get away with it. Bob - --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:34:43 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel Pedal steel and lap steel guitar is not played with a bottle neck but with a bar that you hold over the strings so there should be no issue of finger size. Bottle necks for standard guitar work do come in small sizes for "slide" playing, including "pinky" slides. Hendrix's slide solo on "All along the watchtower" was played with an actual beer bottle. Never heard of a knife being used.... Dave On Sep 28, 2007, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:40:46 EDT > From: Motitan@aol.com > Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel > > In a message dated 9/27/2007 10:32:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > I tried creating a slide sort of sound by using a > pencil or some other thing and just sliding it on the > guitar. I'd like to get one of those slide things too. > They come in different sizes. I'm sure you could get > one custom-made and it wouldn't cost too much. > > Catherine > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > - - > That would be the thing to do. I've tried using a knife > before because > from what I read that is what the blues guys first used to play > slide. > But...no wonder that quickly changed to a slide! In addition, > before when I > played lead in a rock band, I picked up someone's beer bottle near > the front and > played a little slide with it. It was pretty funny. > - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:51:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: RE: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? Les Irvin wrote: >>One reviewer called the re-recording of this song "pointless". And although I wouldn't go that far, I might go that far. I think it's a really good version of a song I didn't need to another version of. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:28:29 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel hi how about this take on slide guitar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0FdLzUfG-Q&mode=related&search= a teaspoon, held in his mouth :-) ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Blackburn" To: ; Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel > Pedal steel and lap steel guitar is not played with a bottle neck but > with a bar that you hold over the strings so there should be no issue > of finger size. Bottle necks for standard guitar work do come in > small sizes for "slide" playing, including "pinky" slides. Hendrix's > slide solo on "All along the watchtower" was played with an actual > beer bottle. Never heard of a knife being used.... > > Dave > > > > On Sep 28, 2007, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:40:46 EDT >> From: Motitan@aol.com >> Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel >> >> In a message dated 9/27/2007 10:32:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: >> >> I tried creating a slide sort of sound by using a >> pencil or some other thing and just sliding it on the >> guitar. I'd like to get one of those slide things too. >> They come in different sizes. I'm sure you could get >> one custom-made and it wouldn't cost too much. >> >> Catherine >> >> >> - >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------- >> - - >> That would be the thing to do. I've tried using a knife >> before because >> from what I read that is what the blues guys first used to play >> slide. >> But...no wonder that quickly changed to a slide! In addition, >> before when I >> played lead in a rock band, I picked up someone's beer bottle near >> the front and >> played a little slide with it. It was pretty funny. >> - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:48:31 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: The Fox News story fallout continues... 429 comments and counting. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-news/comments/2007/09/28/65587 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:24:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The Fox News story fallout continues... Wow!!! Good ol' Joni. Still stirring up crap at 64. She'd be thrilled. And I learned so much just from reading the comments. Who knew the Catholic Church was officially trying to pressure Amnesty International to drop its pro-abortion position for rape victims in war zones. Why am I surprised?????????? Jerry > 429 comments and counting. > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-news/comments/2007/09/28/65587 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:59:53 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: The Fox News story fallout continues... (part 2) And another discussion where we discover that "Both Sides Now" was actually written by Neil Diamond: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=2177517&trail=28 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike and Patti Haskins Subject: Herbie Hancock on Studio 360 This week on Studio 360 on PRI, Kurt talks with Herbie about his career and of course, Joni. Very interesting conversation. They play some clips old and new. Its streamable here: http://studio360.org/episodes/2007/09/28/segments/86040 Patti Haskins blog shop photos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:38:14 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Is it just me...or....? Is Shine a really great album to listen to while driving? It's particularly good while you're being a prisoner of the whites lines on the freeway, as I use the freeway often. I'm also really digging Shine and If most now. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:06:42 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Shine review in Sweden One of the two national morning papers in Sweden published a review on the 26th. It goes something like this: "After Joni Mitchell had released her double-cd Travelogue in 2002 she declared her retirement from the music business. It was too rotten. But then one day she stood barefoot outside her house by the sea and felt at peace with life, she writes in the leaflet about this albums first song, One week last summer. She then became friends with her piano again. And let Starbucks music division house the results. A lot of people are spiteful about the ironies of these changes of heart when really it is the best thing she could do; to not shut herself in, playing the role of the martyr forever. - She returns hoarse, harsh and politically indignant; more bitter, pretentious and pompous than she's been in ages, and it suits her well. She has cleverly adapted herself and become an artist of the presence with cool bombastic pregnancy. (Yes, it sounds strange in Swedish, too!). The last album was a long reinterpretation of her most iconized songs; now she is putting a pitch-dark new version of Big Yellow Taxi in the middle of the playing list. It's like she is dancing around her own old special sound in the new songs, too, which are anything but sweet. She uses bizarre drum machines, suggesting a liberating crazy sound picture, and she sounds like an unsaved spirit trying to make us feel ill at ease. That's how her eccentric side develops. - Best track: If I had a heart" Sigh and sigh again! How do these journalists work? Do they get a call from their editor saying: you take this album and give me a printable review of it in two hours? And then find themselves having to write about an artist they hardly know? I imagine this review to be the product of the journalist's study of other reviews on Joni, and she happened to pick the bad ones. I can't believe she thinks she is doing Joni a favour by calling her pretentious and bombastic and have her stand out as an eccentric. Well, well -maybe she is attracting some angry young people to Shine, and maybe they will hear the sadness and the hope so many on this list have heard. Marion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:19:51 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Another Swedish review Hi again, while I'm at it: I found another review of Shine in a Swedish evening paper, dated 27th september. Here she get's three out of five pluses and the reviewer thinks that Strong and wrong is the best track. This is what he says: "To age gracefully can be a challenge, but not to Joni Mitchell. Her expression was mature from the start; her voice has always been able to say "Listen to me". And time has only made her wiser. Musically she could have heated up things more, and the new version of Big Yellow Taxi does not feel essential, but her lyrics are still both engaging and cool". Marion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:15:10 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: The Fox News story fallout continues... (part 2) I went to both sites Les posted and was very close to replying to some of those people but it seemed so hopeless. That is exactly what the world has become, unfortunately. The anger at the ignorance has to be replaced by something else so I will put on the cd and hope that helps. At least she has 'some' of them thinking. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:33:26 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Herbie Hancock interview There is an interview with Herbie Hancock in German magazine "Die Zeit" (in German): http://www.zeit.de/online/2007/40/Herbie-Hancock-Interview?page=all It also features a little (English) snippet in mp3 where he talks about Joni. moni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:50:11 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Joni singing Marvin Gaye For the first time I find it frustrating to be on digest - because I can't follow the Shine discussions and reviews. In my boredom I went on Youtube to see if anything was going on there, and I found this: Marvin Gaye's Trouble Man covered by Joni, Mark Isham, Brian Blade, Larry Klein, Greg Leisz, in 1998. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOsT-7n6X14 It's from 17/9 2007, I wonder if anyone saw it already.... Bored Bene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Is it just me...or....? Yes, but you better not be talking on your cell phone or passing on the right while you're listening to it. Bob - --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:48:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Fox News story fallout continues... Hmmm, let's see...the Catholics have paid how many hundreds of millions (or is it in the billions now?) to silence the victims of their pedophile priests, and Catholics are outraged about...Joni Mitchell? Makes sense to me (he said with rolling eyes). And isn't "The Magdalene Laundries" a harsher more anti-Catholic song than "Shine"? Hey Les, thanks for the tip about Neil Diamond being the TRUE author of BSN - who knew? Joni has been scamming us all along. I'll be up all night editing the "Joni Undercover" page. Bob NP: Donal Fagen, "Springtime" - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:04:09 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Joni on NPR's "All Things Considered" TODAY, 9/28 Turn yer radios on! And, for those outside the U.S. and those who might otherwise miss it, check the web site (npr.org) later today for an archived version. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:04:32 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: all things considered My husband just said Joni's gonna be interviewed on All Things Considered (NPR) TODAY. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Herbie Hancock on Studio 360 Thanks for the clip, Patti - I enjoyed listening to it even while I was aghast at some of this guy's comments. Instead of talking about Joni as primarily a jazz composer, and her 30-year association with Hancock he spoke of Herbie doing jazz renditions of hippie folk music. Came off as kind of ill-informed to me. Still, it was great to hear Herbie talking about the project - I wish there had been more discussion about that and less of a career overview. Bob NP: Gang Of Four, "Guns Before Butter" - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: The Fox News story fallout continues... (part 2) I can't swoop down from my castle in the clouds, my special and secret space, where the lone songbird of truth and beauty sings and shines her light out to me and to all who can hear. I have no need at this time to listen to Fox News or the crazy crows stirring up commotions and critical ruckuses, focussing in on just one of her lines or the other and adding more dark hues with ignorance or stupidity to this darkness looming over us. Light up a little lamp, man! Learning to keep it on should be the focus. The light has just begun to get even brighter!! I like when Joni passes the torch on to me and I love my runs to the next flame-bearer and on and on! Non-stop! Jeannie NP: Shine - A Joni Mitchell Record mack watson-bush wrote: I went to both sites Les posted and was very close to replying to some of those people but it seemed so hopeless. That is exactly what the world has become, unfortunately. The anger at the ignorance has to be replaced by something else so I will put on the cd and hope that helps. At least she has 'some' of them thinking. mack - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:35:16 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni on NPR's "All Things Considered" TODAY, 9/28 Thanks! YOU can read it and later find the archived version here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14766057 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Janet Hess Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:04 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni on NPR's "All Things Considered" TODAY, 9/28 Turn yer radios on! And, for those outside the U.S. and those who might otherwise miss it, check the web site (npr.org) later today for an archived version. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:53:05 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: what is Shine Chere Mags et tous nos Joniami(e)s: This was so lovely. Beautiful. Perfect! Thank you for sharing it, and for even thinking of it in the first place, in this place. Everyone is so shining these days! We've got new holy wine in our blood. The two I keep going back to the most, I think, are If and Shine. They mainline to my blues and give me sweet inspiration, not just in my personal life, but in exposing lousy leadership, and in my search for peace that don't seem to cease. If you can force your heartAnd nerve and sinewTo serve youAfter all of them are goneAnd so hold onWhen there is nothing in youNothing but the will That's telling you to hold on!Hold on! Je m'abaisse devant sa grandeur. She makes my heart sing. She makes *everything*.....groovy!Bon weekend! Love, Patti P. what is Shine, asked the Rabbit one day, when they were lying side by side near the nursery fender, before Nana came to tidy the room. Does it mean having things that buzz inside you and a stick out handle? Shine isn''t how you are made, said the Skin Horse. It's a thing that happens to you. When you are moved to the core by the music of Joni Mitchell for a long, long time; when you really love her, that is when you Shine.Does it hurt? asked the Rabbit.Sometimes, said the Skin Horse, for he was always truthful. When you Shine, you dont mind being hurt. Does it happen all at once, he asked, or bit by bit?It doesnt happen all at once, said the Skin Horse. You Shine. It takes a long time. That's why it doesnt often happen to people who break easily or have sharp edges, or who have to be carefully kept. Generally by the time you Shine, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out, and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things dont matter at all, because once you Shine, you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand. with thanks to Margery Williams for the inspiration.Magsnp: Shine _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:36:20 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Joni ringtone I would like to have the first few (instrumental-only) measures of Passion Play as my cell phone's ringtone, which doesn't seem like it should be that difficult to achieve. Any recommendations from anyone? Are there already Joni ringtones downloadable somewhere? J np: Mary Gauthier, Can't Find The Way ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:16:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni ringtone I-tunes has LOTS of Joni ringtones available. While they feature Passion Play the song, that is not one that they offer as a ringtone. Bob NP: Patti Smith, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:50:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: shine at walmart >>But doesn't each store pay the distributor a set amount, and then set their own sale price based on their own bottom line? So in that case, the only thing affected by the sale price would be the store's profit margin.<< that is the way I see it. maybe Brenda will pop in & elaborate. Walmart is known however, for putting the screws pricewise to those they purchase merch from kate, in a starbuckless, walmartless, bordersless, barnes & nobleless town & but planning to pick one up next time I'm in a starbucks town (I'd rather support the place that supports joni & I detest walmart) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:56:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: shine Wow, it's great that Thursday matches your bear. Between the 2 of us, we understand the whole, somehow. After I read your challenge, I decided to give it a shot. I imagined Joni at a grand or spinet piano, her shoulders rolling toward the keys and I focused on that. When it seemed like she exhaled and sat back, that was the end of a verse. I didn't "hear" the resolution so much as I imagined I "saw" it. By the end I had counted to seven. I think I can hear the sustain pedal coming up against its stop, here and there. I'm sure you know "Paprika Plains" so you remember how she resolved it at the end, over and over. She did that at the very end too, except more subtly this year. Then I got a pad of paper and tried to hear the bear; I only came up with four verses. That's when I realized there might be four verses of the main theme, every 80 seconds, plus 3 "free" ones. I played it again and typed it up. I don't know what I'm saying exactly but I'm sure someone will write a piano tab eventually. There are several types of variations between verses. Thanks for writing back, Bene and Jamie. The Bard of Bel Air is back. We've all been looking over her shoulder for a long time. sick as a dog today, Jim L'Hommedieu From: >For some reason I can't analyse music like > this, when I hear a theme I can tell I've heard it before but I don't > remember where in the piece. Shine on my scientific brain with its > tunnel vision. > > This means that the bear that Jamie and I hear comes in right on > Thursday! That is, on the third B. You hear it, very softly trodden > for a bear, it goes quiet and then you hear it again. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:38:25 -0400 From: "starvingartist" Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine William: I agree with you. I also LOVE Joni's work, but not this record, nor the three previous for which I had the same response to "Shine"; I AM BORED by it. I bought it Tuesday (and only $10.99 at Circuit City,) came home, played it on my really good home system, thought "sounds like TTT," it's not just the preachy, negative and clumsy lyrics, IT'S THE TIRESOME MUSIC, no melody, same old clarinet figures over and over and over again. Today I thought "Well it's Joni you gotta give it a second chance- play it in the car,"- where in my dotage I seem to appreciate music more- played it in the car for a couple of miles and then ejected, because for me it is more than disappointing, it's hard to listen to. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Elliott" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: The Anticlimactic Shine >I love JM's work as much as anyone threaded to this list. I'm > particularly partial to the post C&S period as well as to the Geffen > years. NRH and TI are my favorites and represent, for me, the apex of > her creative powers -- thus far -- as a musician and communicator. I was > eagerly anticipating this date: the release of SHINE, and the thought of > hearing new work by JM unleased in me a well of sentimentality; fond > memories of buying a new JM release and rushing home to relentlessly > listen to and digest each song. Each of those release-date-days was > almost like a holiday. Well, for whatever reason, that's mostly all > gone. I find SHINE, like TTT and TRAVELOGUE before it, to be > disappointing. It's not that I find the text of the songs to be negative > and sanctimonious, which so often seems to be the complaint of > reviewers. In fact, I believe her take on the state of the world to be > sadly spot-on (and the tragedy is that most people don't really seem to > care). The problem is that her verbal eloquence has diminished...Perhaps > I'm just another bitter, aging, unhappy misanthrope, but I miss the boat > with SHINE. Musically and lyrically, it is, like TTT, half-baked; > inconsistent in quality....love IGUANA, SHINE, IF but most everything > else is a rephrased revisiting of past observations that were so much > more articulately stated on, say, DOG EAT DOG. Still, I recognize the > ultimate greatness of the artist and I'll keep listening in hope of a > change of heart. -WElliott > > > > Sleep in cocoon like warmth with a new comforter. 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In my boredom I went > on Youtube to see if anything was going on there, and I found this: > Marvin Gaye's Trouble Man covered by Joni, Mark Isham, Brian Blade, > Larry Klein, Greg Leisz, in 1998. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOsT-7n6X14 > > It's from 17/9 2007, I wonder if anyone saw it already.... > > Bored Bene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:17:30 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine On Sep 28, 2007, at 9:38 PM, starvingartist wrote: > William: I agree with you. I also LOVE Joni's work, but not this > record, nor the three previous for which I had the same response to > "Shine"; I AM BORED by it. I bought it Tuesday (and only $10.99 at > Circuit City,) came home, played it on my really good home system, > thought "sounds like TTT, I understand you don't like it (each to his own) but I don't think it sounds anything like TTT. The instrumentation is largely different from TTT and there is not that predominance of the VG8 which was very much a part of her sound at that time. I find her return to the piano very refreshing and also particularly like the pedal steel, both of which were virtually nonexistent on any recent releases. > same old clarinet figures over and over and over again. Clarinet figures? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:17:40 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Shine song playing in your head - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassy" > I cannot remember a Joni release I didn't have in my hands the day > it came out I saved this post because it struck me that when I first started following Joni's career (mid 70s), I had no idea when a new album would be released. It was always such a fun surprise to walk into my favorite record store and find a new Joni Mitchell album! I suppose I must have read about some of them before they were released and been on the lookout. But I don't ever remember knowing the specific release dates in those days. I seem to remember finding 'Hejira' and being totally surprised and delighted. 'Omigod! New Joni! Far out!' Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:41:03 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine I'm not sure I'll ever love any album as I love FTR and THOSL, but OTOH I don't like all Nabokov equally. And yet I have enjoyed reading them all, and learned something. Post-THOSL-Joni has taken me longer to get into than pre-THOSL. So I'm going to live with it a long time. And, if you're like me, those older CDs have great resonance beyond the brilliance of the music and lyrics--I have so many personal associations that sometimes it's hard to see where the music begins and my life ends. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:28:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine And of course it does not, I'm with you Victor. This is a drastic departure from the Parker Fly/VG8 sound of TTT - I don't get how anyone would think it that Shine sounds like TTT at all, just don't get it it. If anything it sounds the most like C&S and how could any Joni fan be upset about that? Bob NP: Beth Orton, "Tangent" - --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:14:19 -0400 From: "starvingartist" Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine It's not about a synth guitar, it's about no soul. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "Victor Johnson" Cc: "JMDL" Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine > don't think > it sounds anything like TTT.> > > And of course it does not, I'm with you Victor. This is a drastic > departure from the Parker Fly/VG8 sound of TTT - I don't get how anyone > would think it that Shine sounds like TTT at all, just don't get it it. If > anything it sounds the most like C&S and how could any Joni fan be upset > about that? > > Bob > > NP: Beth Orton, "Tangent" > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest > shows on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:33:04 -0400 From: "starvingartist" Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine Upset? I don't think I said anything about being upset. The boring sound doesn't have anything to do with the instruments interpreting it, VG8 or whatever synth instrument is playing the monotonous chords, and you're right Bob TTT on second thought did sound better, although the music was abysmal the lyrics were better. synth----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "Victor Johnson" Cc: "JMDL" Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine > don't think > it sounds anything like TTT.> > > And of course it does not, I'm with you Victor. This is a drastic > departure from the Parker Fly/VG8 sound of TTT - I don't get how anyone > would think it that Shine sounds like TTT at all, just don't get it it. If > anything it sounds the most like C&S and how could any Joni fan be upset > about that? > > Bob > > NP: Beth Orton, "Tangent" > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest > shows on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #305 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)