From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #304 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 28 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 304 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and Bob [Susan McNamara ] Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? [djp ] Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Shine [kenevans@umich.edu] Shine review in SF Bay Area Reporter today ["Richard Goldman" ] Re: [kenevans@umich.edu] JONI PROJECT - Please Read and consider participating ["Cassy" ] Re: JONI PROJECT - Please Read and consider participating [ajfashion@att.] What sticks with you? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni in my newspaper tonight; Melissa Etheridge, too [Patti Parlette ] Re: Shine ["Mark Scott" ] Re: If I had a heart ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Shine Q/pedal steel [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Shine Q/pedal steel [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni instrumentals get me angry!!! [Victor Johnson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:22:03 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni and Bob Whoa! I thought this immediately when I heard it!! I just assume it's my aural landscape playing tricks on me again. Thanks for confirming that thought for me. Cool. sue >Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:41:38 -0400 >From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >Subject: Re: Joni and Bob > >Place" and Dylan's "Spirit on the Water"> > >Good catch, Kerry - I had not picked up on that until I saw your post and >started singing Dylan's tune in my head. Oh, and by the way...GREAT >subject line. > >I doubt however that she was influenced by that - the first time I heard >'This Place' I immediately thought of a cross between "Crazy Cries of >Love" and the '98 tour version of NRH with Greg Liesz' pedal steel also >playing a prominent role. > >Bob > >NP: Joni, "Overture - Cotton Avenue" Sue McNamara http://www.jmdl.com/guitar "It's all a dream she has awake ..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:53:25 -0400 From: djp Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? I like it a lot, too. I'm hoping it will become my guide toward appreciating the rest of the album. djp Jerry Notaro wrote: > I'm with Bob. Love BYT 2007. > > Jerry > > >> I love it, especially the accordion and oboe colorings in it. >> >> Speaking of BYT, I posted BYT Cover #200 this week - and no, I'm not >> counting Joni's re-recording as a Joni cover. And not that anyone cares in >> all the hubbub over Shine, but we are right around the corner from Volume >> 93, so stay tuned. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: XTC, "Bungalow" >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:02:49 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? Neither Yay nor Nay, just snore city to me. Quoting Bob.Muller@Fluor.com: > I love it, especially the accordion and oboe colorings in it. > > Speaking of BYT, I posted BYT Cover #200 this week - and no, I'm not > counting Joni's re-recording as a Joni cover. And not that anyone cares in > all the hubbub over Shine, but we are right around the corner from Volume > 93, so stay tuned. > > Bob > > NP: XTC, "Bungalow" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:21:29 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? One reviewer called the re-recording of this song "pointless". And although I wouldn't go that far, I do find it odd that she didn't update the song completely. She changed "a dollar and a half" to "an arm and a leg", so why not change the "DDT" line as well? DDT is just as obsolete as the $1.50 is. Seems odd to me. Les (not London) - -----Original Message----- Neither Yay nor Nay, just snore city to me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:57:56 -0400 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Re: Shine Hi bob, hi victor.... I would add to Bob's excellent observation that a lot of times I'm reminded of NRH.... especially the denser tracks like hana and iguana... Has she ever played this much piano since C&S? I was disappointed that Wayne's not on the record... and then just laughed every time the soprano sax would imitate him..... Victor, I see what you mean about the dreamy landscapes... I may have to listen to Simon's Surprise again, since I don't see the resemblance... that was actually Simon's first album I could barely listen to. (You know it dawned on me recently, for someone of his stature, being one of our greatest songwriters, he's only released 15 albums of new songs over 43 years?) Oh, and someone posted an observation about the first line of This Place compared to Spirit on the Water by His Bobness.... I actually posted something similar monday night, but it was subtle and I was wondering if anyone would pick up on it..... hmmmm.... > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:40:40 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: Shine > > instrumental cut.> > > Cool, I'm glad I'm not the only one. It's actually very cool, she has > assimilated some of her piano and arrangement similarities from C&S, some > lyricism (Night Of The Iguana) from HOSL, some DJRD'ish world music > influences on the revamped BYT and Hana and NOTI, her smooth Migus-era > jazz vocals, the "Sex Kills" guitar lick on "If"...it's almost like a > culmination of the last 30 years, while at the same time being a starkly > original piece of work. And it sure as heck ain't folk music. > > Bob > > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:01 -0400 > From: Victor Johnson > Subject: Re: Shine > > On Sep 26, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > >> ..it's almost like a >> culmination of the last 30 years, while at the same time being a >> starkly >> original piece of work. And it sure as heck ain't folk music. >> > > > I love the overall sound production and instrumentation she uses, > especially the steel guitar and some of the electric. Very nice > arrangements. Reminds me a little of the recent Paul Simon project > he did with Brian Eno, and also a little of David Sylvian...very > dreamy, lots of depth, using a variety of timbres, creating a musical > landscape. > > Victor > > NP: nothing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:49:32 -0700 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: Shine review in SF Bay Area Reporter today Jonie returns Shines brings new songs http://ebar.com/arts/art_article.php?sec=music&article=397 by Gregg Shapiro Print this Page Send to a Friend The luminous new album by Joni Mitchell, *Shine* (Hear Music), has arrived to delight and dazzle fans, old and new. *Shine* is Mitchell's first studio album of mostly new material ("Big Yellow Taxi" makes a reappearance) since *Taming the Tiger,* the discs released almost nine years apart to the day. Time has not dulled her razor-sharp insight, and the inclusion of "Big Yellow Taxi (2007)" is the musical equivalent of "I told you so." They did pave paradise and put up a parking lot, after all. At once nostalgic and forward-thinking, *Shine* features an endless array of the elements that we have come to love and expect from the goddess Joni. Her piano and guitar work, among other instrumentation, are simply flawless. The opening track, the instrumental "One Week Last Summer," sounds like it would have fit in on any of her albums from *For the Roses* forward. The alto sax on a few tracks may not belong to Wayne Shorter, but Bob Sheppard does a brilliant job of providing the brass. Pedal steel legend Greg Leisz, who also played on * Tiger,* returns, along with Mitchell's longtime drummer, jazz star Brian Blade. Old friend James Taylor is even on board. Resplendent in its rage, *Shine* also sheds new light on reoccurring themes in Mitchell's work and world. She has been singing about crows for many years, and they appear in two songs here, "This Place" and "Strong and Wrong." As unavoidable and annoying as crows, cell phones also get called out, on both "Bad Dreams" and the title track. As she previously did with a William Butler Yeats poem, Mitchell looks to Yeats' contemporary Rudyard Kipling for inspiration, setting his timely "If" to music. The "if" word plays a major role in the poignant political diatribe "If I Had a Heart," whose chorus "If I had a heart,/I'd cry," is a Mitchell-style comment on our times. She has been incorporating electronic instrumentation into her songs for years, and makes particularly good use of it on "Hana." The combined word-play and infectious rhythm of "Night of the Iguana" make it irresistible. Simply put, *Shine* is radiant. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:46:17 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Re: Shine Bob wrote: After reading your post, Laura - I was thinking of folk music and I thought of the song (which I would think would be considered as folk music) "If I Had A Hammer", with its chorus of "I'd sing out danger, I'd sing out a warning, I'd sing out the love between my brother & my sister..." and it ocurred to me that that is what she's doing with this album Exactement! M, J Hammer. Last week I was studying the lyrics and noticed that she uses a lot of exclamation points in the new album. I made a list on the back of an envelope, but it's at home now....I think there are eighteen. Joni's not usually one to use exclamation points, is she? (No time now to search.) I just quickly counted thirteen question marks. And quite a few "..." So are her new lyrics poetry now? She seems more vehement in this album. Like "they didn't get it the first time, so I'm going to really hammer these messages home." I'm in awe of the whole thing. And of her. Love, Patti P. P.S. FWIW, I noticed that heron is spelled "herron" on the CD insert, but it is correct in our jmdl lyrics page. And "heals" is "heals" in both places. _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wl mailtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:35:33 -0400 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Re: Interesting...... now I have to listen to some Dan and figure out where that is..... I actually thought it reminded me of joe jackson.... anyone with better music theory able to tell us what's going on in the progression there? > Okay, and now onto the ones I'm not so keen on - Bad Dreams and If I > Had a Heart. BD's lyrics I think are really not great, and although > IIHAH has some good moments (the Steely Dan-esque twist of the melody > at the point where JM sings "our lovely sky on fire"), ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:14:20 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: JONI PROJECT - Please Read and consider participating I am working on a JMDL-related artistic endeavor (it's a surprise) and need photos of JMDL members who are willing to participate. If YOU are one of those list-members who aren't shy and wouldn't mind sending me a photo of your naked bum (no I won't reveal whose bums are whose... EVER) please email it to me using the subject line - JONI PROJECT. The higher resolution the better. Bums need not be HTWP, I am looking for a wide variety of shapes and sizes and did I mention this would be highly confidential? I assure you this is not a pornographic endeavor, it's something that's been rattling round in my head and needs a tasteful outlet I hope to have this project completed by late October so please don't hesitate if you want to take part. love Cassy NP: 10,000 Maniacs - Trouble Me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:55:17 +0100 From: "Mick Kelly" Subject: Shine reviewed on BBC Radio 4 Friday 19.15 Hi, In case you don't already know: Front Row is the nightly Arts prog. Shine gets its slot tomorrow :o) You will find it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/frontrow/ Best wishes, Mick Friends against HIV in Northern Thailand www.rejoicethailand.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:31:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel - --- Em wrote: > --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Oh and another question: what is the > > corny-countryesque-atmospheric-sounding instrument > on This Place? > > Pedal steel (and is that a kind of guitar)? > > "a little bit corny", eh? > lol, I love pedal steel, anyway here's a good > explanation: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_steel_guitar > I've never understood why they call it a guitar. Doesn't play like one, doesn't sound like one. Not my favourite instrument by any means. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:39:59 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: JONI PROJECT - Please Read and consider participating - -------------- Original message from "Cassy" : -------------- > I am working on a JMDL-related artistic endeavor (it's a surprise) and need > photos of JMDL members who are willing to participate. > > If YOU are one of those list-members who aren't shy and wouldn't mind sending > me a photo of your naked bum I might have considered this if I could be photographed on a Pacific Beach in 1973 (lol), but no way now how in 2007! Good luck with your project, it sounds interesting. My B & N order with Shine and the Hancock hasn't come yet (damn them) but a friend in town burned me copies to settle me down. Love the Hancock (love that kind of album, one of my favorite CDs is a jazz tribute to Sondheim), still processing Shine. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:39:38 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: What sticks with you? >Give us all the courage and the grace >to make genius of this tragedy unfolding, >the genius to save this place. The Bard of Saskatoon strikes again. There are many dire images in the lyrics, so when she sends up her prayer, it hits the solar plexus. She brings faith to this 'wretched unbeliever' (2). Jim L'Hommedieu (1) "This Place", JM (2) "Gaia", JT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:04:36 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni in my newspaper tonight; Melissa Etheridge, too Finally my local newspaper (the Hartford Courant) has a little review on Shine. Shine by Joni Mitchell Hear Music Joni Mitchell has since the 1960s ranked among songwriting's most significant and remarkable voices, traversing folk, rock and jazz. But her disdain for the music industry led Mitchell to announce in 2002 that she would no longer record albums. She has lately reconsidered that decision, making a distribution deal with Starbucks/Hear Music. She returns in typically thoughtful fashion with her first collection of new songs since 1998. "Shine" is built with mellow minimalism around the social themes that have long been a mainstay of her work. Some of these songs were developed for a recently debuted ballet based on the 63-year-old Canadian's work, among them the frank, dark "If I Had a Heart," which laments the Earth's abuse at the hands of those who care less about its fate than she. Mitchell's voice is lean and husky, as it has been for many years, but it's a pretty instrument for rendering a delicate contemplation of ecological issues amid the pedal steel guitar of "This Place." Sparse arrangements enhance the material's mood and texture, which range from the chipper instrumental splashes that color a revision of her iconic "Big Yellow Taxi" to the supple pulse that lends a meandering flow to the hopeful, grounded meditation of the title track. Mitchell's clear-eyed poetry is simple but effective alongside trickles of piano and mild saxophone on the haunting "Bad Dreams," a persistent unapologetic vehicle for the social advocacy that is the centerpiece of her singular artistry's welcome return. - - THOMAS KINTNER "Her singular artistry's welcome return." Amen. And here's a snippet about: MELISSA ETHERIDGE The Awakening Island "Naturally, Etheridge takes on a certain unpopular president. "Imagine That" is her angry song, and it almost too plainly tells the story of Cindy Sheehan's now-famous fight for an answer to her son's death in Iraq." Yeah! The rest is here: http://www.courant.com/features/lifestyle/style/hc-albums0927.artsep27,0,7284020.story Melissa is supposed to be on Letterman tonight. Love, Patti P. NPOMTV: Season Premiere of Ugly Betty _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:33:26 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Shine Q/pedal steel It IS one of my favorite instruments. I play Dobro and lap steel. When I retire I'll learn me the pedal steel. And Greg Leisz is one of the best. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:32 PM To: Em; missblux@googlemail.com; Joni LIST Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel - --- Em wrote: > --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Oh and another question: what is the > > corny-countryesque-atmospheric-sounding instrument > on This Place? > > Pedal steel (and is that a kind of guitar)? > > "a little bit corny", eh? > lol, I love pedal steel, anyway here's a good > explanation: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_steel_guitar > I've never understood why they call it a guitar. Doesn't play like one, doesn't sound like one. Not my favourite instrument by any means. Catherine - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:26:39 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Shine - ----- Original Message ----- From: it's almost like a > culmination of the last 30 years, while at the same time being a > starkly > original piece of work. In my opinion, this is what she has always done. Each album has built on what came before and added something new. 'Shine' has a wonderful familiarity about it....but it also sounds like nothing I have ever heard before. Mark E. in Seattle currently enjoying my 2nd time through the shiny new 'Shine' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:49:52 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: If I had a heart - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Hankins" > Yes- This song sure gets in your head, as others have attested. Synchronicity. Just getting through my 2nd listening of this song. The intro alone is worth the price of admissions. Just gorgeous. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:22:53 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel In a message dated 9/27/2007 8:47:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: It IS one of my favorite instruments. I play Dobro and lap steel. When I retire I'll learn me the pedal steel. And Greg Leisz is one of the best. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --- I like the pedal steel guitar. I think, when played right, it can work quite well in a song. It does depend on the song though and how upfront it is in a song. I'd like to learn it one day. I've tried learning slide guitar which is sort of similiar to that (no pedal, just a slide on your finger you know but still sliding away!) but even the smallest slide is too big for my finger. I can't get a good hold on it therefore I have very little control of it when using it. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --- I've > tried learning slide guitar > which is sort of similiar to that (no pedal, just a > slide on your finger you > know but still sliding away!) but even the smallest > slide is too big for my > finger. I can't get a good hold on it therefore I > have very little control > of it when using it. > I tried creating a slide sort of sound by using a pencil or some other thing and just sliding it on the guitar. I'd like to get one of those slide things too. They come in different sizes. I'm sure you could get one custom-made and it wouldn't cost too much. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:32:32 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni instrumentals get me angry!!! I was playing in the Rialto lobby today for a special reception (the GSU College of Education, welcoming their new dean), doing standards, some light jazz, and everything was going great, until I started playing Joni Mitchell, A Case of You, and I started feeling really angry. I don't know what came over me...all of the sudden I was enraged and wanted to scream. So I just stopped and started playing "You Are Too Beautiful" instead, then all of the sudden, everything was fine. I didn't play any more Joni Mitchell songs, and the rest of the evening was so serene. So if you're playing piano somewhere, in a hotel, at a wedding, or even just at home, be careful, and don't play any Joni Mitchell songs without also singing...or you just might find yourself wanting to throw something or break bottles on the wall. If you know any friends who play piano, please warn them about the danger of playing Joni Mitchell sans voice. Sadly, this malady is widespread and can especially affect musicians who frequent jazz clubs and other such hangouts. Spread the word! Brought to you by the Association of People Against Playing Joni Mitchell Songs With Just Piano Or Guitar Or Drums or Saxamathingy or Trumpet and With No Singer Which Means No Lyrics Can Be Heard Organization ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:40:46 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel In a message dated 9/27/2007 10:32:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: I tried creating a slide sort of sound by using a pencil or some other thing and just sliding it on the guitar. I'd like to get one of those slide things too. They come in different sizes. I'm sure you could get one custom-made and it wouldn't cost too much. Catherine - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - That would be the thing to do. I've tried using a knife before because from what I read that is what the blues guys first used to play slide. But...no wonder that quickly changed to a slide! In addition, before when I played lead in a rock band, I picked up someone's beer bottle near the front and played a little slide with it. It was pretty funny. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:56:46 -0400 From: "Some Millers" Subject: recent Joni video interview & "Shine" preview -- 7 minutes of bliss Please accept my apology if this link has previously been posted here, but I just stumbled upon this recent Joni video interview, which features some great footage that I think many others here will also love. I've just watched it twice and will soon be going back for more. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.Channel &ChannelID=91132617 All for now- Paul S. Bethlehem, NY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:01:10 -0400 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: Pete Seeger: The Power of Song Pete Seeger: The Power of Song Words are insufficient, in quantity and quality, to recommend this film highly enough. Some people say there are no more heroes. Pete Seeger is a true hero ... as a man, as a musician, as an American, as a citizen of the world. His integrity, his humanity, his steadfast courage, and his unalloyed commitment to a better world are unassailable. (Not to mention his spearheading the miraculous clean-up of the Hudson River.) It was almost too much to take watching the clip of Pete singing his anti-Vietnam anthem Waist Deep In the Big Muddy on The Smothers Brothers Show, with this line from its last verse: Every time I read the paper, those old feelings come on/We are waist deep in the Big Muddy and the big fool says to push on. Having been blacklisted from radio and TV for 17 years(!) for expressing his opinions, The Smothers had the courage (and the cachet) to give him the forum he deserved ... the man who introduced the song We Shall Overcome to Martin Luther King, Jr. and to the civil rights movement in America, a man who unfailingly championed human rights for his entire career, for his entire life. He built his first house with his own hands as a young man, and he still swings a mean ax at age 88. (Not to mention his fantastic and innovative banjo chops!) Long live Pete Seeger, and please go see this film ... if it doesn't bolster your hope for humankind, nothing will. All best, Fred - -Fred Simon http://myspace.com/fredsimon ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: shine at walmart Victor Johnson wrote: But doesn't each store pay the distributor a set amount, and then set their own sale price based on their own bottom line? So in that case, the only thing affected by the sale price would be the store's profit margin. It's well documented that Wal-Mart puts an excruciating squeeze on anyone who wants their products sold in its stores. The distributor agrees to a rock bottom amount just to get the product on the shelves, which means the record company sees lower cash flow. The artist doesn't see any income until all expenses are paid, so if there's less cash flow, there's less to pay expenses -- and less left over for the artist. Buying ANY product at Wal-Mart ultimately victimizes the individual who labored to create it. Check out the PBS Frontline episodes "Is Wal-Mart Good for America?" and "China From The Inside" (available on DVD from www.PBS.org or Amazon) or any number of other solidly-reported investigations into the company's business strategies and practices since Sam Walton's death. J np: Over The Rhine, If A Song Could Be President ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #304 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)