From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #293 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, September 23 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 293 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: SV: rolling stone review [Catherine McKay ] Re: four agreements [Catherine McKay ] She is Queen Undisputably of Mind and Beauty... and Sex! ["Mick Kelly" ] RE: SV: SV: rolling stone review ["Jim Kauffman" ] Shine Released in Australia [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Shine Review [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: rolling stone review [Em ] A little pricey [Mark-Leon Thorne ] "Joni Mitchell Sells Out To Starbucks" [Mark-Leon Thorne ] SJC- Where Ya Gonna Be when Starbuck's Hosts Joni Mitchell Lunch & Listen "Shine" promotion [JILL A H] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:50:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review - --- Bob Muller wrote: > in the long run the review is > unimportant anyway. If you were famous and had produced something artistic, would you read the reviews? I don't think I'd want to, but I know I'd do it anyway. I wouldn't be able to resist. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: four agreements - --- clive sax wrote: > Hi Bob and all, > > I think probably reading the four agreements in > context gives it more > relevance. The book is worth a read and as much as I > understand where Bob is > coming from, I think the idea is to sort out the > dross from what is really > valuable and meaningful in human connection. If we > were able to still the > defensive mind we would maybe find that there was > more space for real > connection. It seems we spend so much of our > relatively short time on this > planet being offended and taking issue with others > rather than really > connecting with them. That's so true. So often we completely misunderstand each other and read things into what is said, or not said, that simply aren't there. No wonder there are wars, and it's amazing we've managed to survive as a species. We're so quick to take offense rather than to ask for clarification. I was listening to the song "Shine" and paying attention to the lyrics which, on one hand, could sound very trite and commonplace, but I think Joni has put some thought into them and her voice sounds very sincere and from the heart in this song in particular. She has tied together some images from previous songs. In Shine, she says, "Shine on good earth, good air, good water." In Ethiopia, she says, "On and on the basic needs are defiled/ Good air good water good earth." In Shine, she says, "Shine on a hopeful girl In a dreamy dress." In "Song for Sharon", she talks about "the pretty lady in the white lace wedding gown" and "white lace I was chasing". In Hejira (the song), she mentions "snow [that] gathers like bolts of lace Waltzing on a ballroom girl" and sometimes in live performances it's "a bridal girl." These are just a few things I noticed. I'm sure there are more. And she talks about Big World Concerns, like "rising oceans and evaporating seas", "Frankenstein technologies", "science/ With its tunnel vision," and "fertile farmland/ Buried under subdivisions". But she also talks about the petty things that we all bitch about: Shine on another asshole Passing on the right! Shine on the red light runners Busy talking on their cell phones. I think it's her prayer for all the big and little things in life that drag us down and her wish to calm herself down and not let it get to her, and I find humour in it right alongside the seriousness. The last verse brings it all together as she prays for the good and the bad, the weak and the strong, and it ends on a positive note, I think, although I wonder who "Those seekers of mental health/ Craving simplicity [who] traveled inward/ Past themselves" are? Shine on good humor Shine on good will Shine on lousy leadership Licensed to kill Shine on dying soldiers In patriotic pain Shine on mass destruction In some God's name! Shine on the pioneers Those seekers of mental health Craving simplicity They traveled inward Past themselves... May all their little lights shine Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:07:07 +0100 From: "Mick Kelly" Subject: She is Queen Undisputably of Mind and Beauty... and Sex! Eagles - just listen to the way she goes 'Oooh - Night of Iguana...' and then then tell me you didn't just cum in your serpent pants! Joni - how do I count the ways?! - -- Friends against HIV in Northern Thailand www.rejoicethailand.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:34:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Exhibition of Joni's Art Work in New York City I'll be there on Wednesday 9/26 If anyone is interested in meeting up, write me offlist Brian in south jersey - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > I had posted it...but here goes.. > Installed by the Violet Ray Gallery > 201 Mulberry St in the Village > Can be viewed... > September 26-Oct 6th > hours for the art space at Openhouse is 11:00am to 7:00 PM CLOSED > Mondays > The opening on the 25th is by invitation only...list has been sent > out > already and closed > > rosie in nj - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:42:35 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: SV: rolling stone review, and the Guardian one, too Marion wrote: Oh wow, Catherine! I hope you didn't think I was trivializing. I just feel that a person who writes a review in that way is really a very small human being who has a lot to learn about life. He is not worth the rush of adrenalin it takes to get angry so I prefer to laugh him off. And Catherine: Yuk. I detest that kind of writing. Let's show everyone how smart and hip we are and let's use lots of big words and clever phrases. That kind of writing is about the writer, and not about what they're supposed to be criticizing. It's one thing to review something and not like it for reasons which the writer should articulate clearly in a way that is neither a personal attack on the one being criticized nor a "look-at-me! ain't I clever?" exercise. It's quite another to be a smart-ass about it. I think it just points to the cynicism that's so rampant today. It is just SO uncool to write from the heart - it's all about demonstrating one's IQ. There's nothing in that review that suggests to me that the writer knows anything about music, since it seems to be all about attacking Joni personally for using a trite phrase or for not practicing what she preaches. Maybe it's just me and I'm not reading it the right way. I don't mind or care at all if someone doesn't like the work, as long as they stick to the work itself. ***** "It is SO uncool to write from the heart"? NOW you tell me! Yeah, these two reviewers: "Kiss my ass, I said." "Grow up, I cried." Get over yourselves. They just don't get it. Gotta feel sorry for people like that. They need a little heart and humor and humility to lighten up their heavy load. Although as Bob said, at least the Guardian critic got it in the end. (And didn't s/he use the word "intoxicating"? What'd I tell you the other day when I almost hit a tree when Shine came on! I was DWI!) "Ultimately, that's a minor quibble in the face of a strange, intoxicating and unsettling album, idiosyncratic enough to make you glad Joni Mitchell put her retirement on hold. Shine is an album worth spoiling the greatest flounce-out in rock history for." Birthday Boy Bob wrote: "That's not much of a review. They guy LOVES the record but takes cheap shot after cheap shot. Sort of ironic to use such smugness in his accustion of others' smugness. And he reserves all of the praise for the VERY LAST sentence." If you can bear to hear The truth you've spoken Twisted and misconstrued By some smug fool Or watch your life''s work Torn apart and broken down And still stoop to build again With worn out tools. Joni. She's got the fight. She's got the insight. Nobody messes with my Joni. I'm puttin' up my Patti dukes. I say: Leave the girl alone, motherf@#kers, she's looking like a mooooOOOOOooovie queen! Yeah, both of these critics make me think of basketball games....the nasty guys who don't have the finesse and the skills needed to play the pure game, so they take cheap shot after cheap shot. They're trash-talking all game, when in the end, all that really matters is the final score, when the star shooter points to the scoreboard. Ha. See the score? We know the score. Joni shoots, she scores! She rings sweet as victory. (I know Catherine was going to bring sports into it, but I beat her to the punch drunk.) Eternal Defender of the Holy Joni Empire, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:02:30 -0400 From: "Jim Kauffman" Subject: RE: SV: rolling stone review > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Bob Muller > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 3:32 PM > To: Motitan@aol.com; marionleffler@telia.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review > > ...RS has a somewhat spotty history with her anyway. Like the Hatfields and McCoys had a spotty history. Wenner and Joni have been snarling at each other for decades now. Jim K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:56:39 -0400 From: "Jim Kauffman" Subject: RE: SV: SV: rolling stone review > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Catherine McKay > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:32 PM > To: Marion Leffler; 'Deb Messling'; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: SV: SV: rolling stone review > > Good heavens, no - not at all. I often find that kind of > writing funny in a sick sort of way, but sometimes I just > have to roll my eyes. Then to learn that the writer is older > than Joni - well, I simply had to laugh at that. I thought he > was some wiseass just out of journalism school, trying to > show everyone how smart he was. Now I realize he's just a > cynical old, well, curmudgeon! Of course he is--he's Bob Christgau! He's been a cynical old curmudgeon longer than some of you list members have been on the planet. Thoroughly irritating to read, but he's actually a very nice guy in person. Nice wife, too. Let's see, on the old Christgau Consumer's Guide scale, 3 out of 5 would have been a C+. Poor Joni. Better luck next time. ;-) Jim K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:22:06 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Shine Released in Australia Shine is available at Sanity Music stores and online as of yesterday (Saturday, 22 September) for $22.99. Here is the link: http://www.sanity.com.au/product/product.asp? sku=2099861 Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:33:35 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Shine Review Shine reviewed on Undercover.com.au Joni Mitchell Signs To Starbucks' Hear Music Label by Daniel Zugna - July 26 2007 Joni Mitchell will release her new album through Starbucks' Hear Music label. Mitchell joins Paul McCartney on the roster, whose 'Memory Almost Full' album debuted at number three on the US Billboard Chart in June. The folk-jazz icon will release her new album 'Shine' on September 25, the follow-up to 2002's 'Travelogue'. The release of 'Travelogue' coincided with Mitchell's public grievances with the music industry and the power it had over her. She said at the time that she would look for new avenues in which to release her music. And in March of this year, she told Britain's 'Guardian' newspaper of her disdain for the "pornographic pigs" at the upper echelons of the post-millennial music industry, those who only care about "golf and rappers". "A real artist is going to like a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and it's going to take an entire life to assimilate them into something new," she continued. "It's not going to happen when you're young, and this is a youth-driven market. It's like painting: everybody knows, or they used to, that it takes a long time to distil all this. You don't become a master until you're in your 50s and 60s." But it looks like Starbucks have a way to go in developing their flowery PR guff, with Starbucks Entertainment president Ken Lombard telling Billboard, "This is true Joni  it is almost the return of her as a storyteller." Almost? We can expect at least one more big-name Hear Music signing by the end of the year. http://www.undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=2504 Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: rolling stone review Been trying to figure out more specifically what bugged me about this review. Chrstgau says this: "she rails against environmental ills with the privileged pique of someone who considers the world's failure to resemble the one she grew up in a cosmic affront." In what way would the "pique" of "someone who considers the world's failure to resemble the one she grew up in" neccesarily be "privileged"? Does he mean because Joni's childhood didn't abjectly SUCK (as that of a starving child in some other part of the world might)? (altho certainly parts of Joni's [childhood] did suck) Or am I misunderstanding what he meant in that sentence? Why is it so WRONG to bitch about, or question, or ponder the mind boggling, face flapping rate of change/acceleration (all kinds of change) the human race is having to endure? Like the zig-zag driving...what? we're supposed to like it??? Em ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:40:29 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: A little pricey Shine is available at CDOnline for $28.99. It's release dat is listed as Friday, 21 September. The label is listed as Concord Music. Here's the link: http://www.cdonline.com.au/? event=search.viewProduct&cataloguenumber=7230457_1§ion=music Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:52:08 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: "Joni Mitchell Sells Out To Starbucks" From the Perth newspaper, The West Australian; Joni Mitchell sells out to Starbucks 25th July 2007, 15:36 WST Joni Mitchell is following the lead of Paul McCartney in joining with the coffee giant Starbucks to release her comeback album. Hear Music, a record label formed in partnership with Starbucks and the Concord Music Group, said Mitchell is its second signing. Shine, her first album of new compositions since 1998, will be released on September 25. McCartney's album Memory Almost Full came out last month and was played relentlessly at Starbucks franchises, where listeners could purchase it with their coffee. The disc has sold 447,000 copies, 45 per cent of them in Starbucks stores, the company said. The new venture has attracted interest from veteran artists both because the music business is collapsing around them, and their fans are much more likely to be spending time in Starbucks these days than in music stores. Mitchell worked with Hear Music two years ago as it released a disc of favourite Mitchell songs selected by various artists. She had essentially retired from making music and said this project was one of the things that rekindled her interest, said Ken Lombard, president of Starbucks Entertainment. Mitchell wrote nine of the 10 songs on Shine, the exception being an adaptation of the Rudyard Kipling poem "If." She described it as "as serious a work as I've ever done" with some dark lyrics. Earlier this year, Mitchell was co-director of The Fiddle and the Drum, a ballet based on her music that debuted in Canada. She is also planning an exhibit of her paintings in New York this autumn. Hear Music expects to sign one more artist this year and eight in 2008, and is looking for a mixture of new and established artists, Lombard said. One role model for a veteran artist adapting to rapidly changing times, Prince, recently gave away thousands of copies of his CD through a newspaper in England. Lombard said not to expect a Mitchell album offered for free to customers who buy a frozen latte. AP http://www.thewest.com.au/printfriendly.aspx?StoryName=403175 Mark on the East Coast ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:39:03 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #292 In a message dated 9/22/2007 3:56:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Maybe it's just me and I'm not reading it the right way. Nope - he's a pinhead. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:36:49 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review In a message dated 9/22/2007 3:55:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: If you were famous and had produced something artistic, would you read the reviews? I don't think I'd want to, but I know I'd do it anyway. I wouldn't be able to resist. Catherine - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----------------------- Like you, I would read them too. I would try not to and I would tell myself it doesn't matter (and the public) but deep down I'd probably feel a sting when someone would write something negative. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:51:48 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: A little pricey Wow, $28.99 is quite a bit of change. So far I'm finding the prices for Shine to be more than I expected. I called up Borders, Starbucks, Walmart, and (my normal music store I go to which ironically has the highest price for Shine) Best Buy. For me, in U.S. dollars it is ranging from $14.88 (Walmart) to $18.99 (Best Buy). I'm used to picking up cds at Best Buy for $12.99 or $13.99 or used ones at another store for much less (which obviously isn't an option with a new cd coming out!). Ah well, I shall buy the album nonetheless! Nothing will stop me.... - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:56:02 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: My Shine, political content Danilo said, >Yup, Victor, Universal is distributing Shine over here. One more thing. On the top surface of the cd there is a beautiful satellite photograph of Europe by night. I think America will have its own.> Europe at night? Like this, from the NASA web site? http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/49257main_europe_nightm.jpe Sometimes, the US Gov't brings something beautiful into the world. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:24:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike and Patti Haskins Subject: If I Had A Heart Download Over at Crooks and Liars political site you can download If I Had A Heart. Link Patti Haskins blog shop photos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:51:53 -0700 From: JILL A HAAS Subject: SJC- Where Ya Gonna Be when Starbuck's Hosts Joni Mitchell Lunch & Listen "Shine" promotion ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #293 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)