From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #292 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, September 22 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 292 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: My Shine [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: My Shine [Danilo Monno ] Re: "Shine" promotion / Joni TV spots TBA [Deb Messling ] Re: My Shine [Victor Johnson ] rolling stone review [Deb Messling ] Guardian review of Shine ["Joe Jones" ] RE: My Shine [Catherine McKay ] Re: Guardian review of Shine [Catherine McKay ] RE: My Shine [Danilo Monno ] SV: My Shine ["Marion Leffler" ] SV: rolling stone review ["Marion Leffler" ] from Blessings ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: SV: rolling stone review [Catherine McKay ] It's coming on Christmas... [Bob Muller ] SV: SV: rolling stone review ["Marion Leffler" ] "Shine" promotion / Joni TV spots TBA [Patti Parlette ] Re: New Joni on the radio [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: SV: SV: rolling stone review [Catherine McKay ] Re: Upcoming NPR Special [Michael Paz ] I'm Shining!!! ["Jonathan Lowe" ] RE: SV: SV: rolling stone review ["Richard Flynn" ] Christgau & Joni ["Richard Flynn" ] Exhibition of Joni's Art Work in New York City [gpkm6208@comcast.net] Re: rolling stone review ["Mark Scott" ] SV: SV: SV: rolling stone review ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: thanks for sharing this ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Exhibition of Joni's Art Work in New York City [RoseMJoy@aol.com] The Violet Ray Gallery, A Visionary Ray of Light [RoseMJoy@aol.com] the mind vs mind and body thread (actual JM content) [ajfashion@att.net] Re: SV: rolling stone review [Motitan@aol.com] Re: SV: rolling stone review [Bob Muller ] Promo Video for Shine [Bob Muller ] Re: rolling stone review [Em ] RE: SV: rolling stone review ["Richard Flynn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:46:09 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: My Shine Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:22:57 +0200 From: Danilo Monno Subject: RE: My Shine Hi Mark! No, we don't have Starbucks here yet. At least here in the South. Maybe there will be one in Milan or in the surroundings. But, see, we like real coffee!!!! Ok, we also like real food, still there are a lot of McDonald's... I bought Shine in a book/music store called LaFeltrinelli, which is my favourite place to buy culture related items. Yesterday there was an Apulian traditional music singer's showcase there, so I sat down with one hand jealously wrapped around Shine and the other one holding a hot cup of green tea. It's been a great evening for me! And how hard it was to stay there when what I wanted the most was to run home and listen to Shine! But I really enjoyed the show. One thing I was sad about is that there is no advertising for Shine release. Hugs Mark (the man who made my dream come true!) Danilo > From: mark-leon@iinet.net.au > Subject: Re: My Shine > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:46:09 +1000 > To: joni@smoe.org > > Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in > Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? > > Mark in Sydney _________________________________________________________________ Scarica GRATIS la versione personalizzata MSN di Internet Explorer 7! http://optimizedie7.msn.com/default.aspx?mkt=it-it ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:37:22 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: "Shine" promotion / Joni TV spots TBA And hasn't she been trashing the music business and announcing her retirement since 1972? It seems silly to make a big deal about it now. I'll also be buying Shine at Starbucks. I have a gift card hanging around from last Christmas. It was meant to be! At 10:26 PM 9/21/2007, you wrote: >I also think the so-called 'judges in black and white' are thrashing >the whole 'she flamboyantly trashed the music business and said she >was getting the f*ck out of it' thing to death. Who cares as long >as she's creating again? Yeah, Joni likes to talk big and >exaggerate a bit. She's a big talent. She's larger than life. Or >at least the persona she shows the public is. Personally her >outspoken, sometimes hyperbolic public pronouncements are part of >what I love about her. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:47:40 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: My Shine Oh that's very sweet of you, Danny. Is it Ok to offer your CD to the list? For those of you who aren't familiar with Danilo's talent, I first ran into him on YouTube (on Bob Muller's recommendation) where he displayed his passion for Joni in the form of some magnificent covers of Joni's songs on guitar. I ripped the audio and created a double CD and designed a cover for it. The resulting CD is called, "For Free: The Songs of Joni Mitchell". Some of these covers have never been recorded by anyone else. Like his beautiful version of Electricity. Anyway, maybe one day, you'll see a CD by Danilo on the shelves at La Fetrinelli. Australia has finally developed a taste for "real coffee" but there is room for all here now. I live near the Italian district of Sydney and interestingly, there is no Starbucks there. Enjoy Shine, Danilo. I hope to one day hear you perform these songs too. I'm sure you'll do a wonderful job. Mark in Sydney NP So Hard (Eclipse Mix) - Pet Shop Boys On 22/09/2007, at 8:22 PM, Danilo Monno wrote: > Hi Mark! > > No, we don't have Starbucks here yet. At least here in the South. > Maybe there will be one in Milan or in the surroundings. But, see, > we like real coffee!!!! Ok, we also like real food, still there are > a lot of McDonald's... > > I bought Shine in a book/music store called LaFeltrinelli, which is > my favourite place to buy culture related items. Yesterday there > was an Apulian traditional music singer's showcase there, so I sat > down with one hand jealously wrapped around Shine and the other one > holding a hot cup of green tea. It's been a great evening for me! > And how hard it was to stay there when what I wanted the most was > to run home and listen to Shine! But I really enjoyed the show. > > One thing I was sad about is that there is no advertising for Shine > release. > > Hugs Mark (the man who made my dream come true!) > > Danilo > > > > > From: mark-leon@iinet.net.au > > Subject: Re: My Shine > > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:46:09 +1000 > > To: joni@smoe.org > > > > Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in > > Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? > > > > Mark in Sydney > > 2 GB di spazio, protezione da virus e spyware...GRATIS! Windows > Live Hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:26:11 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: My Shine I believe Universal is distributing "Shine" in some countires that don't have Starbucks. On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:46 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in > Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:29:25 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: rolling stone review For what it's worth, Robert Christgau's review of Shine is posted in the jmdl library. 3 out of 5 stars. http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1678 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:23:08 +0100 From: "Joe Jones" Subject: Guardian review of Shine Hi, greetings from lurkerdom - here's a link to the UK Guardian newspaper's review of Shine + the text is below. The reviewer wastes much of the space questioning the release via Starbucks / Hear http://arts.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,,2173137,00.html Cheers - Joe Text follows. Joni Mitchell, Shine **** (Hear Music) Alexis Petridis, Friday September 21, 2007, The Guardian Joni Mitchell's 2002 retirement may be the greatest flounce-out in rock history. She announced her decision to stop making records with a series of impressively bitter interviews. The music industry was "repugnant", "a cesspool" populated by "pornographic pigs" who cared only about "golf and rappers". Furthermore she had "come to hate music" itself. "I hope it all goes down the crapper," she added, cheerily. It was a spectacular way to hand in your resignation - so spectacular that it seems a shame to spoil it by asking for your job back. Or, worse, going to work for Starbucks: Mitchell's comeback album arrives courtesy of the coffee chain's label Hear Music. Mitchell would probably argue, with some reason, that there's not much difference between a major record label and a fast-food multinational these days, but there's still something a little odd about a woman who complained long and hard about the exploitative nature of the music business (she recently complained of being paid "n-word wages") throwing in her lot with Starbucks, a company that has, over the years, faced a series of charges of unfair labour practice and is currently defending itself against accusations that it engaged in unfair sackings, union-busting and a campaign of surveillance waged by managers on union members. Still, she's not doing anything that peers, including Paul McCartney and Bob Dylan, haven't already done. It makes you wonder which redoubtable 1960s legend will be next to take the Starbucks buck. Van Morrison? Leonard Cohen? Perhaps Neil Young will sign up and offer a version of his anti-corporate anthem This Note's For You, with lyrics amended to suit changing times: "I ain't singin' for Pepsi, I ain't singin' for Coke - in fact, I'm singin' for the deliciously chocolatey Double Mocha Macchiato, handcrafted for you with specially selected ingredients. And can I interest you in a cheese and Marmite panini? On the evidence of Shine, what Hear Music offered was artistic freedom. While it certainly isn't "difficult" in the latterday Scott Walker punching-a-side-of-pork-while-screaming-about-Adolf-Eichmann sense of the phrase, neither is it the kind of album that record labels prefer their sexagenarian artists to make these days, in which their "classic" sound is subtly updated and hip young acolytes make guest appearances. The instrumentation is defiantly eccentric: saxophone, piano, the kind of drum machine that would have sounded anachronistic in the early 1980s, pedal steel guitar and washes of synthesized woodwind. The latter occasionally stray worryingly close to Pan Pipe Moods territory. Instrumental opener One Week Last Summer sets the tone of the album - meditative, graceful, becalmed - - but there's no getting round the fact that it sounds like something you might hear wafting around the lobby of the Kidderminster Ramada Inn. Meditative, graceful and becalmed are surprising adjectives, given the prevailing subject matter. Mitchell has said she was provoked out of retirement by the war on terror and looming ecological catastrophe, and a sense of impending doom is never far away. She's hardly the first artist in recent times to make with the End Is Nigh sign, but her response is the diametric opposite of the Arcade Fire's sturm-und-drang or Thom Yorke's anguished finger-pointing. In Hana she suggests we "tackle the beast alone with its tenacious teeth", and there's a sense of fight about the closing rewrite of Rudyard Kipling's If, but more often the tone is not so much one of defiance as a disquieting acceptance of fate. You hear it in the beautiful ballad If I Had A Heart in its chilling refrain of "bad dreams are good in the great plan", and in the echoing drift of the title track, which comes up with a litany of modern-day ills, but never raises its voice in anger. The sense of an artist roused by the fear that we're all going to hell in a handcart, only to discover that it may be too late and there's nothing we can do to avert disaster, gives much of Shine its emotional heft. Sanctimony is a condition to which the musical denizens of Laurel Canyon were always prone - in his twenties, Graham Nash was already loftily instructing the world how to Teach their Children - but the urge to wag fingers arises only once. There's a hint of I-told-you-so smugness about revisiting her 1970 eco-anthem Big Yellow Taxi, but that's not the reason the re-recording backfires. Listening to it, you notice there's a sparkiness about the lyric - "they took all the trees, put 'em in a tree museum" - noticeably absent elsewhere: This Place's "money makes the trees come down" suddenly sounds a bit clunky and laboured. Ultimately, that's a minor quibble in the face of a strange, intoxicating and unsettling album, idiosyncratic enough to make you glad Joni Mitchell put her retirement on hold. Shine is an album worth spoiling the greatest flounce-out in rock history for. - -- Joe Jones +44 7758 106430 (UK) +420 608 378 729 (CR) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:17:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: My Shine - --- Danilo Monno wrote: > No, we don't have Starbucks here yet. [...] But, > see, we like real coffee!!!! > Ok, we also like real food, still there are a lot of > McDonald's... That was beautiful! ;-) > ...I sat > down with one hand > jealously wrapped around Shine and the other one > holding a hot cup of green > tea. I hope you held it jealously in such a way that other people could still see it. "It's mine, all mine, but ask me about it and I'll tell you where to get your very own!" (Shine, that is, green tea is optional.) Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Guardian review of Shine - --- Joe Jones wrote: > The [Guardian] reviewer > wastes much of the space > questioning the release via Starbucks / Hear > > http://arts.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,,2173137,00.html That is SO yesterday. We've already been through that here. Ever the trendsetters. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:49:10 +0200 From: Danilo Monno Subject: RE: My Shine Yup, Victor, Universal is distributing Shine over here. Ome more thing. On the top surface of the cd there is a beautiful satellite photograph of Europe by night. I think America will have its own. Mark, if you want to re-offer For Free to the list, I'd be very very delighted! > From: waytoblue@comcast.net > Subject: Re: My Shine > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:26:11 -0400 > To: joni@smoe.org > > I believe Universal is distributing "Shine" in some countires that > don't have Starbucks. > > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:46 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > > > Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in > > Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? > > > > Mark in Sydney _________________________________________________________________ Ti piace viaggiare? Allora racconta le tue avventure su MSN Diari di viaggio http://diaridiviaggio.it.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:04:47 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: My Shine Yes, that's right, at least for Sweden. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Victor Johnson Skickat: den 22 september 2007 13:26 Till: JMDL List Dmne: Re: My Shine I believe Universal is distributing "Shine" in some countires that don't have Starbucks. On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:46 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in > Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:28:05 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: rolling stone review I can't help but feeling amused at this kind of shoot from the hip journalism. Does anybody take it serious? Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Deb Messling Skickat: den 22 september 2007 13:29 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: rolling stone review For what it's worth, Robert Christgau's review of Shine is posted in the jmdl library. 3 out of 5 stars. http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1678 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:08:27 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: from Blessings from Blessings, a quarterly Newsletter from the sisters of Saint Joseph of Rochester. If you do not get this quarterly newspaper form the sisters of St. Joseph and you want to get itcall (585) 641-8172 you can email at blessings@ssjrochester.org There were 8 stained glass windows. The article is about the stained glass windows that were origiannaly installed at the Jay street convent and were moved several times (the immaculate conception and Saint Elizabbeth of Hungary stained galss windows, designed in the late 1800's). . there was a quote in this article that caught my attention: "Some of the fellow sisters has become overly pious and thought they should be praying a lot. Well there were things to be done and Teresa said to them, 'God can also be found among pots and pans.' " I find intereting the concept of "overly pious." kind of funny. . . that someone would say that. I Love you guys .. . let's share quotes from the bible (or things like that) that are inspiring (not that I am religious or anything). . but I like to be inspired. . (and also, I have asked for poems and nobody sent them. . so now I will try to ask for bible quotes or spritual messages.) love again, Mar _________________________________________________________________ Share your special parenting moments! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > I can't help but feeling amused at this kind of > shoot from the hip > journalism. Does anybody take it serious? > Marion > Yuk. I detest that kind of writing. Let's show everyone how smart and hip we are and let's use lots of big words and clever phrases. That kind of writing is about the writer, and not about what they're supposed to be criticizing. It's one thing to review something and not like it for reasons which the writer should articulate clearly in a way that is neither a personal attack on the one being criticized nor a "look-at-me! ain't I clever?" exercise. It's quite another to be a smart-ass about it. I think it just points to the cynicism that's so rampant today. It is just SO uncool to write from the heart - it's all about demonstrating one's IQ. There's nothing in that review that suggests to me that the writer knows anything about music, since it seems to be all about attacking Joni personally for using a trite phrase or for not practicing what she preaches. Maybe it's just me and I'm not reading it the right way. I don't mind or care at all if someone doesn't like the work, as long as they stick to the work itself. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: It's coming on Christmas... Which of course can only mean ONE thing...River covers. Here's the first that I've seen (and I look a lot): http://www.boneyjames.com/ Coincidentally, the website header is "Boney James SHINE" Bob NP: Smashing Pumpkins, "Muzzle" - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:26:57 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: rolling stone review Oh wow, Catherine! I hope you didn't think I was trivializing. I just feel that a person who writes a review in that way is really a very small human being who has a lot to learn about life. He is not worth the rush of adrenalin it takes to get angry so I prefer to laugh him off. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Skickat: den 22 september 2007 16:05 Till: Marion Leffler; 'Deb Messling'; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: SV: rolling stone review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > I can't help but feeling amused at this kind of > shoot from the hip > journalism. Does anybody take it serious? > Marion > Yuk. I detest that kind of writing. Let's show everyone how smart and hip we are and let's use lots of big words and clever phrases. That kind of writing is about the writer, and not about what they're supposed to be criticizing. It's one thing to review something and not like it for reasons which the writer should articulate clearly in a way that is neither a personal attack on the one being criticized nor a "look-at-me! ain't I clever?" exercise. It's quite another to be a smart-ass about it. I think it just points to the cynicism that's so rampant today. It is just SO uncool to write from the heart - it's all about demonstrating one's IQ. There's nothing in that review that suggests to me that the writer knows anything about music, since it seems to be all about attacking Joni personally for using a trite phrase or for not practicing what she preaches. Maybe it's just me and I'm not reading it the right way. I don't mind or care at all if someone doesn't like the work, as long as they stick to the work itself. Catherine - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:15:11 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: "Shine" promotion / Joni TV spots TBA Good day, Sunshine! (IF you're in the mood, or need to get in the mood, here's a you-tube of that by the Beatles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHTPdbpogRE&mode=related&search= ) and Good morning Joni starshine The earth says hello You twinkle above us We twinkle below Good morning starshine You lead us along My love and me as we sing Our early morning singing song What a digest I just read! More chock full of Joni starshine than any other I can remember. Thanks, David, for this great news. Three hours of Joni in 6,500 Starbucks? Oh, my heart and mind be still! I hear what you're saying and it's spinning my head around...(GN) And there's more....an NPR special (and JMDLers!), Charlie Rose, CBS Sunday Morning Show, reviews galore... "Slow down, you move too fast, you've got to make the morning last Just kickin' down the cobble-stones, lookin' for fun and feelin' groovy Feeling groovy!" Mark E. wrote: "I can't wait to see Joni on Charlie Rose!" Right on, Joni brother! I caught parts of Charlie Rose last night as I was channel surfing madly between Wes Clark on C-SPAN (Kate, he says it's way too early talk about running with HC, but I saw a glint in his eye...here he comes to save the day, like Mighty Mouse or Superman?), the Red Sox (win!), and the Yankees (lose!). Sean Penn was the guest, and he was SMOKING! I was in shock and awe about that (I don't recall ever seeing someone smoking on Charlie Rose), and thought, "God, wouldn't it be awesome to see *Joni* on Charlie Rose?" (Never thinking it would actually happen.) Can't you just picture her there, smoking, white flags of winter chimneys swirling against that black black background, and gesturing, and TALKING? Let your little light shine Let your little light shine Shine on the dazzling darkness Don't you love to see and hear Joni talking? O, speak again, bright angel! Your words: Some to shed a little light on you and on me Some to shed a little light on the human story. Another dream I have always had is to see Joni on the CBS Sunday Morning Show, that I watch religiously every week. You know they have a musical segment every week, and I've always wanted to ask you, Jerry (because I know you like it, too), if you thought Joni would ever appear, but then thought better of asking. "Nah. Give it up. I'm just another silly girl when Joni love makes a fool of me." The Joni world is too much with me these days. I need pills and powders! Every fairy tale comes real. When I think of her upcoming appearances, my mind see saws! Her own shining hours. Happy Saturday, everyone! "I've got no deeds to do, no promises to keep I'm dappled and drowsy and ready to sleep Let the morning time drop all its petals on me Life I love you, all is groovy*" in Joniland! Love, Patti P. in Flip City P.S. Both sides now. * I know of course that not ALL is groovy these days for everyone. I send up my prayers for anyone who is suffering from anything. May all this good Joni news bolster you up. _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:59:10 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: News (VLJC) Long Blah Blah Blah... Heartfelt congratulations on your Shining Star Award, Paz. A superstar. Well, right you are! But, oh dear. What is Kakki's horrible accident? Oh my! I worry sometimes. Please tell us how she is. (Pardon me if you already have and I missed it, being on digest.) Healing vibes to Freda and to Kakki, indeed. Love, Patti _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever  Get MORE with Windows Live Hotmail.. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:38:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review I completely share your sentiments, Marion and Catherine. Reading Christgau's review, I'd have no idea what this CD sounds like. So what's the point? Also, Christgau is clearly aiming his remarks at a younger generation, and painting Joni as an old coot. Well, he's older than Joni. - ---- Original message ---- >Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:05:01 -0400 (EDT) >From: Catherine McKay >Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review >To: Marion Leffler ,"'Deb Messling'" ,joni@smoe.org > > >--- Marion Leffler wrote: > >> I can't help but feeling amused at this kind of >> shoot from the hip >> journalism. Does anybody take it serious? >> Marion >> > >Yuk. I detest that kind of writing. Let's show >everyone how smart and hip we are and let's use lots >of big words and clever phrases. That kind of writing >is about the writer, and not about what they're >supposed to be criticizing. It's one thing to review >something and not like it for reasons which the writer >should articulate clearly in a way that is neither a >personal attack on the one being criticized nor a >"look-at-me! ain't I clever?" exercise. It's quite >another to be a smart-ass about it. I think it just >points to the cynicism that's so rampant today. It is >just SO uncool to write from the heart - it's all >about demonstrating one's IQ. There's nothing in that >review that suggests to me that the writer knows >anything about music, since it seems to be all about >attacking Joni personally for using a trite phrase or >for not practicing what she preaches. Maybe it's just >me and I'm not reading it the right way. I don't mind >or care at all if someone doesn't like the work, as >long as they stick to the work itself. > > > Catherine Deb Messling http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:10:19 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: New Joni on the radio My son called me early this morning (Sat) to tell me they were going to play some new Joni on the Breakfast program on WDST (out of Woodstock, NY) and it was streaming on the internet. Well, I located the station online with no problem but couldn't get the on-line streaming to play through Quicktime, RealPlayer or Windows Media Player. Finally, after futzing around for 45 minutes, I got it to play through my iTunes, just in time to hear the DJ say, "That's our show for today, glad you were with us, thanks for listening." Maybe they have an archives that I can hear it again but I don't see one..... Kenny B ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:31:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: SV: rolling stone review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > Oh wow, Catherine! I hope you didn't think I was > trivializing. I just feel > that a person who writes a review in that way is > really a very small human > being who has a lot to learn about life. He is not > worth the rush of > adrenalin it takes to get angry so I prefer to laugh > him off. > Marion Good heavens, no - not at all. I often find that kind of writing funny in a sick sort of way, but sometimes I just have to roll my eyes. Then to learn that the writer is older than Joni - well, I simply had to laugh at that. I thought he was some wiseass just out of journalism school, trying to show everyone how smart he was. Now I realize he's just a cynical old, well, curmudgeon! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:12:01 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Upcoming NPR Special Why did they not interview you the covers king and walking Joni encyclopedia? Or Simon? Joel? Cool Les and Sue and Ashara (who I just got off the phone with a few minutes ago) I can't wait to check this out. paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 21, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Bob Muller wrote: http://www.paulingles.com/mitchell.html Scroll down to the bottom...yeah, I know some of those guys... Bob NP: John Doe, "The Meanest Man In The World" - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:48:26 +0200 From: "Jonathan Lowe" Subject: I'm Shining!!! Went down to my local independent music store here in Hilversum as US stuff often gets released here on the Friday before the Tuesday release date...and there it was- SHHHHHHHHINNNNNNNNNE!!!. Cost me Euro 19.95, but that's the price you pay for supporting independent stores (and the guy said it he would try to get me any related promos he comes across!). The CD is packaged in a digibox with a petrol blue paper band around its middle (easy to tear I imagine when you take off the cellophane outer so be careful!) proclaiming "Joni Mitchell" and "Shine". This paper band is not glued so I used some double-sided tape to enable it to re-wrap the box after opening. The digibox itself has a pale grey sticker that says: "The radiant return of one of the greatest singer/ songwriters of our time. Indeed. Artwork is beautiful with a strong ballet theme (are we going to have Shine: The Ballet down the road?) Now I sit up here, the critic (after only one play through though): One Week Last Summer- beautiful melody, but none of that distinctive, lived-in voice of course. This Place- "Sparkle on the ocean"...that voice again- Wow! Great soprano sax. If I Had A Heart- not immediately gripping, a little obvious. Hana- strong percussion, and again great soprano sax- a definite grower. Bad Dreams- oh what wonderfully sad, haunting piano figures set against the moving lyrics...highpoint so far (for being such a lowpoint). BYT (2007)- VERY interesting that this follows with its upbeat melody but more or less the same theme- is Joni trying to show us how far she's come? A fine re-birth. Night Of The Iguana- there's been a lot written on the subject of this already- I didn't find the melody immediately fantastic- may grow on me. Strong & Wrong- I preferred the melody to the lyrics which I found a bit obvious. Shine- wonderful, wonderful, wonderful! An immediate classic which builds and builds over 7= minutes. James Taylor guests on acoustic guitar! If- I've heard the poem too many times to evaluate the song behind it just yet, but I didn't like it much first time around. So, now I'm on the second play and already starting to develop and change these opinions- I guess that's why I love Joni so much- you always see and hear more on each playing- my favourites in a month's time will probably be totally different! Anyhow folks, that's all for now. I guess I am one of the lucky Europeans who already has it in his hands and I'm trying not so sound too smug! Looking forward to more discussion on the new record replacing the "pre-release tension" that's been a little over-present on here during the past 2 weeks. Let your little light shine... Jonathan [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:59:04 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: SV: SV: rolling stone review http://www.robertchristgau.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:32 PM To: Marion Leffler; 'Deb Messling'; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: SV: SV: rolling stone review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > Oh wow, Catherine! I hope you didn't think I was > trivializing. I just feel > that a person who writes a review in that way is > really a very small human > being who has a lot to learn about life. He is not > worth the rush of > adrenalin it takes to get angry so I prefer to laugh > him off. > Marion Good heavens, no - not at all. I often find that kind of writing funny in a sick sort of way, but sometimes I just have to roll my eyes. Then to learn that the writer is older than Joni - well, I simply had to laugh at that. I thought he was some wiseass just out of journalism school, trying to show everyone how smart he was. Now I realize he's just a cynical old, well, curmudgeon! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:10:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Upcoming NPR Special I would have been happy to contribute, I'm just glad that some of my JMDL pals got a shot. I did write a Joni article this year for an Italian Music magazine called "MUZ" so I'm not complaining. Bob NP: Astrid Seriese, "River" - --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:22:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Christgau & Joni If you want to see the history of Christgau's reviews of Joni go here: http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=704&name=Joni+Mitchell His extended review of FTR is here: http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/bk-aow/mitchell.php ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:15:25 +0000 From: gpkm6208@comcast.net Subject: Exhibition of Joni's Art Work in New York City Does anyone have any information as to what, if anything, is going on this coming week regarding some type of art/mixed media exhibition of Joni Mitchell's work in New York. I have some "sketchy" information that talks about "Violet Ray" and/or "OPENHOUSE" on Mullburry Street in the Village. I cannot, however, access any further info nor can I connect with the aforementioned gallery or studio. The information I have says that it begins on the 25th (to coincide with the release of her new CD) and is by invitation only on opening night but continues to the 4th or 5th of October. Any information would be very greatly appreciated. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:23:58 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: rolling stone review That's a review??? Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Messling" To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 4:29 AM Subject: rolling stone review > For what it's worth, Robert Christgau's review of Shine is posted in > the jmdl library. 3 out of 5 stars. > http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1678 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:31:55 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: SV: rolling stone review And the "Dean of Rock" at that! So what came over him? Not that I care to know. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Richard Flynn Skickat: den 22 september 2007 18:59 Till: 'Catherine McKay'; 'Marion Leffler'; 'Deb Messling'; joni@smoe.org Dmne: RE: SV: SV: rolling stone review http://www.robertchristgau.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:32 PM To: Marion Leffler; 'Deb Messling'; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: SV: SV: rolling stone review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > Oh wow, Catherine! I hope you didn't think I was > trivializing. I just feel > that a person who writes a review in that way is > really a very small human > being who has a lot to learn about life. He is not > worth the rush of > adrenalin it takes to get angry so I prefer to laugh > him off. > Marion Good heavens, no - not at all. I often find that kind of writing funny in a sick sort of way, but sometimes I just have to roll my eyes. Then to learn that the writer is older than Joni - well, I simply had to laugh at that. I thought he was some wiseass just out of journalism school, trying to show everyone how smart he was. Now I realize he's just a cynical old, well, curmudgeon! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:47:10 +0100 From: clive sax Subject: four agreements Hi Bob and all, I think probably reading the four agreements in context gives it more relevance. The book is worth a read and as much as I understand where Bob is coming from, I think the idea is to sort out the dross from what is really valuable and meaningful in human connection. If we were able to still the defensive mind we would maybe find that there was more space for real connection. It seems we spend so much of our relatively short time on this planet being offended and taking issue with others rather than really connecting with them. Maybe reading the book would clear this one up. It is a good read! I often extend myself for others, but the bottom line is that all I do is really about me and that's ok too, the joy is in recognising that fact and knowing that it is true for others too. If I take issue with what another has done or said and react I am only doing it to protect myself, my ego, my sense of self, so as i see it it is really about me. An example of this is that in my work (neighbourhood mediation) I spend a lot of time with people that have deep seated prejudices about all kinds of things, namely race and sexuality. As a gay man I have numerous opportunities to be offended when some guy you could class as a red neck spits out bitter vile about his neighbour. Usually it's about queers this faggots that and then the bloody niggers etc. Many of the mediators refuse to work with people that take that stance. Understanding that the hatred is really masking fear allows me to sit with the guy and not flinch. Even though he is judging an aspect of who I am. Being able to sit with it comes from not taking it personally. The same goes for if people praise you. Again it is about them. About needing approval or wanting to get closer or simply wanting you to know that they are good guys too. It is a bit of a mind fuck admittedly and it is not easy, but it does have it's rewards. I for one, feel more serene, connected, at peace and somehow more compassionate and loving. All good stuff methinks. So in my experience the Four agreements add to who we are rather than subtract. Nothing is lost that is worth holding onto. A bit like a spring clean, just getting rid of the dust and dirt and clearing out the crap. Clive _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:47:52 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: thanks for sharing this And a bon weekend to you, Oddmund! You wrote some very wise words in your post. I am one who needs to try and remember them. Thank you! Mark E. in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" > > Well, bon weekend ! > and love to ye' all! > > Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:42:58 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Exhibition of Joni's Art Work in New York City I had posted it...but here goes.. Installed by the Violet Ray Gallery 201 Mulberry St in the Village Can be viewed... September 26-Oct 6th hours for the art space at Openhouse is 11:00am to 7:00 PM CLOSED Mondays The opening on the 25th is by invitation only...list has been sent out already and closed rosie in nj ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:48:10 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: The Violet Ray Gallery, A Visionary Ray of Light _http://www.violetraygallery.com/_ (http://www.violetraygallery.com/) A VISIONARY RAY OF LIGHT Celebrated Artist/Singer Joni Mitchell exhibits powerful Mixed Media Originals curated by Violet Ray Gallery in Nolitabs newest green space, Openhouse. 201 Mulberry St. Violet Ray Gallery in New York City is proud to curate one facet of Joni Mitchellbs three brilliant new artistic endeavors. Singer/songwriter and artist Joni Mitchell, a timeless forerunner of social and spiritual commentary, has completed a body of work for exhibition dealing with the consequences of war and the prevailing human condition. Cutting through ever-present media propaganda, Mitchellbs new photographic exposition b Green Flag Songb is a poetic discourse of humanitybs struggle with itself. Referencing popular media, Mitchell filters through conventional imagery, unveiling her personal vision and offering a precious visual tool for communicating the nightmarish realities of the world we live in. In the hopes of fostering a collective human awareness, this body of work narrates the historical and current strife born from aggression and fear and the consequential repetitive demise that ensues. The power of the work expresses the need for a change of consciousness. Mitchell has also recently completed what she considers to be bas serious a work as Ibve ever doneb referring to Shine, her new album released by Hear Music, the new label formed by Starbucks Entertainment and Concord Music Group. Most of the lyrical content reflects Mitchellbs social and theological consciousness and her longtime plea for the health of the planet. A true Renaissance artist in every sense of the word, Mitchell also debuted a ballet bThe Fiddle and the Drumb with the Alberta Ballet in Calgary earlier this year. The ballet was based on Mitchellbs music and she served as co-creator and artistic director. All three bodies of work support Mitchellbs extraordinary ability as an artist. Green Flag Song is being curated by Violet Ray Gallery at OPENHOUSE located at 201 Mulberry Street. OPENHOUSE is a socially and environmentally responsible venue whose goal is to promote sustainability through direct action or support environmental awareness by charitable contribution. OPENHOUSE allocates five percent of exhibition revenue to an environmentally conscious or socially responsible organization of the clientbs choice. Violet Ray Gallery specializes in pairing an artistbs work with the most appropriate spatial location, temporarily creating a dramatic backdrop on which the artistbs work can be most successfully presented. The goal is to achieve a potent manifestation of the artistbs vision through a precise setting and space. Exhibition Dates: September 26th to October 6th. 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. - or by Appointment Closed Monday ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:13:49 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: the mind vs mind and body thread (actual JM content) Like many off-topic subjects on lists or in newsgroups, this one's gotten way out of hand, and I apologize to the group for my part in that. I ordered Shine and the Hancock CDs from Barnes and Noble (and no, I'm not proud, since I believe in and support independent book and music sellers) and it looks like, from their email updates on my order, that they may be sending that order out so it gets here on Tuesday. I mean, if they can do it for Harry Potter, they can do it for Joni Mitchell. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:27:01 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review That is the worst review I have ever read in my life. I would have rather had RS trash the album and state specifically why they did so than to have to accept that as a review. It's funny that the review doesn't even talk about the music at all when you're supposed to be critiquing an album, full of lyrics AND music. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:31:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review It's not really an appropriate review for a recording artist of Joni's level, any way you look at it. Rolling Stone always features a couple of different categories of album reviews, one highlighted in depth, quite a few that get a detailed write-up and then others that get the smarmy one-liner treatment that Christgau gives Shine. It deserves a lot better than that, it's a wonderful album. And Joni deserves better than that, but RS has a somewhat spotty history with her anyway. RS is much more interested in attracting the 16-28 year-old crowd, not a lot of which are going to be into Joni (Monika, you get to take a bow for being a rare exception), so in the long run the review is unimportant anyway. Bob NP: Porcupine Tree, "Way Out Of Here" - --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Promo Video for Shine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGa4spIe1-E Over 7 minutes long, LOTS of music Go there now. Bob - --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: rolling stone review A quick *spew*, I'd say. And snippy, too! So how'd it even rate 3 stars?? I don't get it. Em - --- Mark Scott wrote: > That's a review??? > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:48:49 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: SV: rolling stone review Let me add that as good as Christgau was in the olden days, he's kind of a caricature of his former self these days. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 3:32 PM To: Motitan@aol.com; marionleffler@telia.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review It's not really an appropriate review for a recording artist of Joni's level, any way you look at it. Rolling Stone always features a couple of different categories of album reviews, one highlighted in depth, quite a few that get a detailed write-up and then others that get the smarmy one-liner treatment that Christgau gives Shine. It deserves a lot better than that, it's a wonderful album. And Joni deserves better than that, but RS has a somewhat spotty history with her anyway. RS is much more interested in attracting the 16-28 year-old crowd, not a lot of which are going to be into Joni (Monika, you get to take a bow for being a rare exception), so in the long run the review is unimportant anyway. Bob NP: Porcupine Tree, "Way Out Of Here" - --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #292 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)