From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #290 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 21 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 290 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: shine at walmart ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Austin's Strings Attached Joni Tribute Album [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: shine at walmart [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: shine at walmart [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Tina and the Kingpin/I hate waiting [ajfashion@att.net] New story ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] I would have liked to see this.... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: New story ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] SV: Listen to 'Big Yellow Taxi 2007' ["Marion Leffler" ] Chaka and Joni [merk54@aol.com] sjc, Raise up a white banner on October 27th [Patti Parlette ] Re: Message from website [Michael Paz ] Re: Message from website [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: shine at walmart ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Tina and the Kingpin/ I hate waiting [LCStanley7@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:31:26 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: shine at walmart Not sure that is true, depends on the contract >Just so you know, when you buy a CD at a discount, it's the artist who takes the hit, not the record company, distributor or retail store...< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:12:26 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Austin's Strings Attached Joni Tribute Album Hi J. Thanks so much for the links. Talented group of people. These covers are excellent. Shame about the unoriginal title and cover art but the performances make up for it. The women have very strong and unique voices and the music is layered. The arrangements even improve on some of the songs. There are only so many ways to perform Chelsea Morning but they found a new one. Lone Star Brilliance. 5 stars, two thumbs up, +++ Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' - --- "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > I'm usually pretty good at being an old fogey, but I > love the > performances--vocal and instrumental--on the > Hancock. Sounds a lot > less synthetic than "Night of the Iguana," which I > don't much care > for. I'm not a neo-Luddite either, but I'd rather > listen to actual > instruments than to their simulated synthesizer > facsimiles. I haven't even heard the HH yet - I know someone sent a url for it and that it's somewhere in my inbox. I am going to buy the CD, so I may just wait until I get it, hoping the stores really do have it and Joan on the 25th. When I say "they" all sound alike, I'm really thinking of the majority of pop singers on Top 40 radio, that you can't help hearing, whether you want to or not, becuase they're ubiquitous. There are certain types, both male and female, and they really do all sound alike to me. But maybe it's just because I'm grouchy and old and everything is just one big mess o' noise sometimes. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:20:56 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Fwd: shine at walmart I used to work in publishing, and if the music biz is similar, Kate is right. Trade discounts are pre-determined, and large companies (Wal-Mart, Amazon) can afford of offer deep discounts and take a hit on the price because they sell so much that they can make it up somewhere else. Joni will most likely get a commission on each unit sold - regardless of the purchase price. Then there are returns...don't get me started. Reuben On 9/20/07, Kate Bennett wrote: > Not sure that is true, depends on the contract > > >Just so you know, when you buy a CD at a discount, it's the artist who > takes the hit, not the record company, distributor or retail store...< > - -- Reuben in PA healthy people don't self-destruct. - Cyndi Lauper - -- Reuben in PA healthy people don't self-destruct. - Cyndi Lauper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:54:00 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: shine at walmart I think you are right Kate. Generally I think artists are paid a specific amount per sale, i.e. 25 cents or whatever per album sold. Stores like Best Buy are able to sell cd's so cheaply because they make most of their money from high dollar electronics. Most likely, the artist is not affected by mark downs. Victor NP: someone practicing flute down the hall -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Kate Bennett" > Not sure that is true, depends on the contract > > >Just so you know, when you buy a CD at a discount, it's the artist who > takes the hit, not the record company, distributor or retail store...< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:26:20 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: shine at walmart In a message dated 9/20/2007 11:05:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblue@comcast.net writes: I think you are right Kate. Generally I think artists are paid a specific amount per sale, i.e. 25 cents or whatever per album sold. - --------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, yes the artist isn't really affected by the going price. There are performance royalties that every musician is paid who plays on the album and there is the gold--the songwriting royalties (that's where the $$$ is). Last time I checked, a songwriter gets 8 1/2 cents per track for every album sold--in terms of the songwriting royalties. Don't quote me on that exact amount as it has fluctuated a bit up and down through the years. If not 8 1/2 cents, then right around there. It's funny because Pink Floyd once complained about this. As those of you who listen to PF know, they've got albums with just 5 songs on them. But these 5 songs go are often 10-20 minutes long but that doesn't matter as far as songwriting royalties go---it is still only per track. PF (or more or less Roger Waters) once complained that there were artists releasing shit albums with a shitload of songs and getting paid more despite the fact that most of it was filler. Ah well, that's the price you pay to choose art over money I say. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:54:39 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Tina and the Kingpin/I hate waiting I love Tina so much there are not words. I cannot wait to hear this track. (My husband as a callow southern frat boy in the early 1960s heard Tina and Ike at a frat party. He and his equally callow frat brothers were very shocked she shunned underwear!) Tina 4-ever, Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:15:58 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: New story http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/music/bal-li.popcol20sep20,0,1208732.column Contains a link to "Shine" (the song) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:18:01 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: I would have liked to see this.... Someone posted this as a comment on my MySpace page: (mind you I have a photo of Joni & Neil up instead of having a picture of me up for everyone to see) "Your profile photo of Joni and Neil makes me think of one of the (if not the) best concerts I ever saw: Neil Young and band, the Eagles, and Joni Mitchell, in a cheesy little bar in Topanga Canyon. Neil Played two sets, the Eagles played two sets and Joni played one...solo acoustic... but at the end of Neil's second set she strapped on his Gretsch White Falcon,, plugged in, and they played "raised on robbery" together... LOUD!" I wish I could have been there! Well I would maybe go and get a drink or two while the Eagles were playing but when Joni & Neil would play, my eyes would be on them! And to hear "Raised on Robbery" with the two of them would have been mindblowing... - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:35:19 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: New story Quoting "rflynn@frontiernet.net" : > http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/music/bal-li.popcol20sep20,0,1208732.column > > Contains a link to "Shine" (the song) Actually it is only a link to only 43 seconds of "Shine" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:13:43 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Listen to 'Big Yellow Taxi 2007' Thanks for the link, Brian! I'm not a great BYT-fan and I wasn't too thrilled when I learnt that Joni recorded it for Shine, and unfortunately, after having heard it, I still don't think it was really worth it. I suspect I will skip it as I always do, although I can see that there is a connection between BYT and the rest of Shine. I do like Joni's singing, though. After having listened to If, Night of the Iguana and BYT I am impressed by the strength of her voice. She sounds so much better than she has done in years! And I love If! I have to listen a few times more to Night of the Iguana but I think I am going to like that one, too. Hope to receive my copy next Thursday or Friday. I ordered it from cdon.com and it is 149 Swedish crowns, which is a little more than 22 dollars. If you guys think that is expensive I can tell you that the regular price of cd:s is usually 169-179 Swedish crowns, so it's actually a bargain. I didn't order it from Amazon since that would have meant delivery from Germany or Great Britain, and I just can't wait the additional days! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Brian Gross Skickat: den 19 september 2007 20:54 Till: Joni@smoe.org Dmne: Listen to 'Big Yellow Taxi 2007' http://zaphod.uk.vvhp.net/v-v/070918094931 Enjoy! - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:49:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: The Last Winter - VLJC Everytime I am in NYC, I always go to the IFC and Film Forum cinemas. They always show films that may no longer be seen in its theatrical format. I know that someday movies will be in DVDs but there are people like us who really want the big screen experience. I am concluding the last data gathering for my dissertation research and the filmmakers I am videotaping/ interviewing for my research happen to be in NYC so it gave me the perfect excuse to come to NY 3 days earlier than my scheduled interviews so I can watch as many movies as humanly possible -- okay, an exaggeration but that's not untrue either. Yesterday, I watched this really intense 'horror' film called The Last Winter with director Larry Fessenden in attendance for a Q&A after the screening. So ithelps to have the director-writer clarify the open-ended ending, some images and what they reprsent as well as the behind-the-scenes stories which are just as compelling. Shot mostly in Iceland, the film is really mindblowingly good for these eyes and ears. I have not had chills run up my spine since The Blair Witch Project. The movie is like a descent to Grand Guignol, very scary without resorting to shock effects (although there are some of that too), very competent performances and a rarity in movies these days -- a 'horror' movie with that will make you (at least me) shed tears you didn't know is there already in your cheeks. The one thing that prevents me from recommending this wholeheartedly is the intensity of the filmed images. Aside from some rather disturbing images, there is also the feeling of being spooked. I guess I am not doing this right because you might no longer watch this film, but please do. It is one of those films that you may not want to watch again after, say 1 month. Or maybe a year(s). The film is not really a horror film but it is really about our everyday horrors or "the horror the horror" according to Col. Kurtz in Apocalypse Now. And what a strong cast. Which brings me to the VLJC aspect of this post. Joanne Shenandoah played Dawn in the film -- I didn't know she acts in films. She was quite good actually. The snowscapes in the film reminded me of Joni's foray in the snowscape of Canada via her famous Hejira photos. I have not seen so much snow in a film since Atanarjuat, Fargo, Alive and Noi Albinoi. I also saw I Want Someone To Eat Cheese With which is also fun and chuckles were heard from the audience almost every minute. Not the laugh out loud kinda thing but funny. Plus Sarah Silverman also plays a role that is not about her but could be her in real life. Plus there were other worthy films but I wont bother you with them anymore. Joseph in NYC (watching Margaret Garner tomorrow!!) - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:08:20 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Chaka and Joni Here is a link to the Chicago Tribune's review of Chaka's new cd.? There is some very nice Joni content, which I've included below.? See the link for the whole article.? Jack http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/chi-0920chakakhan_fillsep20,1,5630691.story Chaka Khan's new CD traces her artistic arc Artists who inspired Khan throughout the early chapter of her career also figure into the fold on "Funk This." Here's a clue to one of them: "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" (1977). More than a handful of listeners hail Joni Mitchell's sprawling two-record set as a bold musical experiment and innovative exploration of sonic vistas. In the company of guests such as Wayne Shorter and Jaco Pastorius, you hear Khan infuse "Dreamland" and "The Tenth World" with vocal pyrotechnics. It was the first of several musical moments over the next 30 years where the talents of Khan and Joni Mitchell intersected, leading up to "Funk This." Idol worship Khan's idolatry of Mitchell almost renders her speechless: "That woman ... let me tell you, there is no one like her on the planet. She's the best. I want to be like her when I grow up. "I kind of fell off the train for maybe 10 years and then Phoebe Snow brought me back to her again. In fact, just before I recorded 'Ladies Man,' I was still in the studio, and Joni was being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in Toronto. She invited myself and Herbie Hancock. We did a funky, beautiful, amazing rendition of [Mitchell's] 'Help Me.' "I talked to her after the show ... and I told her that I wanted to do 'Two Grey Rooms' [from Mitchell's "Night Ride Home"] -- that's my song. I play it for people and it's like, 'When did you do that?' They really think it's like me singing that song! We have weird kindred spirits. She said, 'No, no, Chaka, no. Don't do 'Two Grey Rooms.' You've got to do 'Ladies Man.' I said, 'You're right. Let me get that out of my system. I'll do 'Ladies Man.'" A Jimi Hendrix tune also gets a reworking of simmering properties on "Funk This." Jam and Lewis keep the patina of psychedelic soul in the foreground on "Castles Made of Sand" while Khan invokes the cool nuances of Hendrix's performance, mixing in her own trademark vocal arrangements to the material. Like Joni Mitchell and Miles Davis, Hendrix stands as one of Khan's most important musical influences. Many would agree with her assessment: "He's the greatest guitar player that ever lived. Period. He's a fantastic poet. He is an amazing lyricist -- prophetic. Listen to some of his words," she implores. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:43:21 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: sjc, Raise up a white banner on October 27th Sweet birds: Fold your fleet wings I have brought some dreams to share A dream that you love someone A dream that the wars are done A dream that there will little light shine Jonifests (or meet-ups, rather) on October 27th Eleven of them! National Mobilization to End the War in Iraq 11 Massive Demonstrations for Peace Boston, Chicago, Jonesborough, Tenn., Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York City, Orlando, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Seattle Boston is where I will be. Hana says when life's a drag Don't cave in Don't put up a white flag Raise up A white banner In this manner- Straighten your back Dig in your heals Joni says You've got to shake your fists at lightning now, you've got to..... Oh, you know what she says! Play every chord that you feel. http://www.unitedforpeaceandjustice.com/ This is a wonderful website, in my opinion. It's like "Command Central" for anti-war stuff. I hope to see some of you Boston Jims or SoBs raising up white banners. (Hey, maybe a big white JMDL banner that says: Shine on lousy leadership!) Oh, let your little light shine. Peace, Patti P. NPIMH: Most of the cats that you meet on the streets speak of true love, Most of the time they're sittin' and cryin' at home. One of these days they know they better get goin' Out of the door and down on the streets all alone. Truckin', like the do-dah man once told me "You've got to play your hand" Sometimes your cards ain't worth a dime, if you don't lay'em down (...which reminds me of Lay Down Candles in the Rain.....and you know there may be more songs of peace, so I had just better put a sock in it for now! ; ) ) _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:47:06 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: FW: Message from website Copy Loretta on any responses. - -----Original Message----- hi, i don't mean to be a pain and i don't even know whether you will know but if possible please could you tell me what "breakfast barney" and the "sign off prayer" were in her song "you turn me on, i'm a radio"? i'm studying joni for my english language and i think this has a meaning that i don't know about so i would be very grateful to find out what it means. thankyou, loretta :) Name: loretta gibson email: megabigknickers@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:01:30 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Message from website Breakfast Barney being the "Morning Radio Guy" (Howard Stern type maybe NOT) HAHAHHA. And The sign off prayer refers to the sign off option that radio stations use to have especially in small towns where they would sign off with a prayer, or the National Anthem, or a hymn. That's my take and I am sticking to it cause I don't care what Muller (one of our resident JMDL Joni Experts) thinks. best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 20, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Les Irvin wrote: Copy Loretta on any responses. - -----Original Message----- hi, i don't mean to be a pain and i don't even know whether you will know but if possible please could you tell me what "breakfast barney" and the "sign off prayer" were in her song "you turn me on, i'm a radio"? i'm studying joni for my english language and i think this has a meaning that i don't know about so i would be very grateful to find out what it means. thankyou, loretta :) Name: loretta gibson email: megabigknickers@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:19:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Message from website That was a Canadian radio station, right? I'm surprised that Breakfast Barney isn't in the glossary. Michael, please update the Glossary in your SPARE TIME dude. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Upon A Veil Of Midnight Blue" Michael Paz Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org 09/20/2007 05:01 PM Please respond to Michael Paz To megabigknickers@hotmail.com cc JMDL list , Les Irvin Subject Re: Message from website Breakfast Barney being the "Morning Radio Guy" (Howard Stern type maybe NOT) HAHAHHA. And The sign off prayer refers to the sign off option that radio stations use to have especially in small towns where they would sign off with a prayer, or the National Anthem, or a hymn. That's my take and I am sticking to it cause I don't care what Muller (one of our resident JMDL Joni Experts) thinks. best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 20, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Les Irvin wrote: Copy Loretta on any responses. - -----Original Message----- hi, i don't mean to be a pain and i don't even know whether you will know but if possible please could you tell me what "breakfast barney" and the "sign off prayer" were in her song "you turn me on, i'm a radio"? i'm studying joni for my english language and i think this has a meaning that i don't know about so i would be very grateful to find out what it means. thankyou, loretta :) Name: loretta gibson email: megabigknickers@hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Record companies will often pressure artists to accept less, especially new artists. Most any contract will also refuse to pay for more than 10 songs per album-which is why most albums have 10 songs. If they have more, most likely the artist is getting burned on those. They also have other little accounting tricks, like a 'breakage' fee that goes all the way back to the days of fragile 78 rpm records. Like 5% or something is deducted for that. And a return fee...starting to see why Joni calls them jackels? These royalties are separate from performance royalties, which come from radio airplay, and are collected by BMI or ASCAP on behalf of the artist, and synchronization fees for movies and TV, which are negotiated on a case by case basis. The recording artist also gets a royalty, maybe a dollar per album for an established artist. This money is only paid, however, once the album starts to generate a profit; that is, the record company loans the money to the artist, and doesn't give them anything until all their investment is paid back. They also own the recording itself, even after their investment has been paid back. In Joni's position, she can finance the recording herself, and own the master, as she did with BSN/Travelogue, though I don't know if that's what she did with Shine, or if Starbucks financed it. When videos are made, the artist can end up a million dollars or more in debt to the record company, and the debt will be carried to the next release. The book Star Making Machinery goes into this in depth, following Commander Cody's band, who have a smash hit song and album, and still cannot get out of debt to the record company. Sidemen get a set fee for the session. Producers get a percentage of the profits, maybe 5-7% depending on various things. There is a 'wholesale' price that stores pay for the disc, it used to be around ten bucks. If they discount it deeply, it might be to get people into the stores, even if they take a loss. http://www.ascap.com/musicbiz/ascapcorner/corner15.html If Brenda is still around she can check me for mistakes! RR From: > Hmm, yes the artist isn't really affected by the going price. There > are > performance royalties that every musician is paid who plays on the album > and > there is the gold--the songwriting royalties (that's where the $$$ is). > Last time I checked, a songwriter gets 8 1/2 cents per track for every > album > sold--in terms of the songwriting royalties. Don't quote me on that > exact > amount as it has fluctuated a bit up and down through the years. If not > 8 1/2 > cents, then right around there. > It's funny because Pink Floyd once complained about this. As those of > you who listen to PF know, they've got albums with just 5 songs on them. > But > these 5 songs go are often 10-20 minutes long but that doesn't matter as > far > as songwriting royalties go---it is still only per track. PF (or more or > less Roger Waters) once complained that there were artists releasing shit > albums > with a shitload of songs and getting paid more despite the fact that most > of > it was filler. Ah well, that's the price you pay to choose art over > money I > say. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:38:34 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' Yo, Catherine. You correctly spelled "ubiquitous" but missed "becuase"? What kinda high minded stuff is that? Is that an Ontario thing? "It's all a product of over-education". T-minus five days... Jim >When I say "they" all sound alike, I'm really thinking of the majority of pop singers on Top 40 radio, that you can't help hearing, whether you want to or not, becuase they're ubiquitous.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Re: Listen to 'Big Yellow Taxi 2007' Gosh, the new version of BYT is MUCH better than I thought it would be. I think the main reason it impresses me is the vocal. Joni's voice, somehow, is in much better condition than in many years. How did that happen? I know it's not because she gave up the cigs... Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:52:58 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: RE: Tina and the Kingpin/ I hate waiting My Sweetbird wrote: > Our girl is back..Can you even stand it? I can't.. > Hi Kev, YES!! She is!!!! I am so high on Shine! I can hardly wait to see it on the shelves and hear it overhead in Starbucks. I've already got my copy ordered. Shine will be about $10 at Wal-Mart the first week it is out. Just the first week though. One of my best friends works at Starbucks and used to work at Media Play and told me about Wal-Mart's first week deal on new releases... she even called Wal-Mart for me to be sure about the price. It might be a good opportunity to buy several copies for giving as gifts. Shine... enlightenment! Here it comes! Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #290 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)