From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #289 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, September 20 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 289 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- River: The Joni Letters ["Gordon MacKie" ] Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: fascinating comments by Joni on each new track [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Subject: Mingus [Motitan@aol.com] Shine lyric for today..... [Motitan@aol.com] So far from Shine......? [Motitan@aol.com] shine at walmart ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: shine at walmart [Motitan@aol.com] Song of America, Shine, etc. [Alison E ] Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com [Em ] Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com [merk54@aol.com] Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com [Em ] Re: So far from Shine......? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' [Catherine McKay ] Re: So far from Shine......? [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: shine at walmart [J Kendel Johnson ] Joni on XM Cafe's daily grind, then and now ["Suze Cameron" ] Shine on Amazon... [Motitan@aol.com] RE: Night of the Iguana -- what it means to me ["patrick leader" ] So far from Shine......? ["Kate Bennett" ] Tina and the Kingpin/I hate waiting [KEVIN DOHENY Subject: River: The Joni Letters Hello peoples, Well I've just listened to the full preview of the Hancock album and I think its great. It's hard to be definitive on a first hearing but I liked the vocalists. Admittedly the woman singing Amelia sounds ...well... a bit bored..but maybe thats her style. Dunno. I think as covers go, this is pretty damned good Gordon in 'I feel winter coming on' Glasgow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:47:54 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) YES, Mark--I believe you're absolutely correct, as I didn't see Claudette Colbert's name listed in the credits either. And I seem to recall that TCM (Turner Classic Movies) HAS shown the film before. Just keep an eye out for a repeat. ;-) XXXOOO, Billy ==================================== mark.travis@gte.net wrote: Hm. Not in 'Leonard Maltin's 2008 Movie Guide' and the IMDB doesn't show Claudette Colbert in the cast. But Claude Rains was a fine actor. Bette Davis always said he was her favorite actor. And I love Fay Bainter! Usually a supporting player but always first rate. She was Bette Davis's Aunt Belle in 'Jezebel' and also played Katharine Hepburn's illustrious aunt in 'Woman of the Year'. I'll have to be on the lookout for this one. Maybe TCM will run it some time. Interesting that it made such an impression on Joni. Must have been those cold Canadian winters that made her remember/relate to it. Mark E. in Seattle =================================== Wtking59@cs.com wrote: THANKS-A-BUNCH for revealing the film title ("White Banners") that Joni couldn't remember as the inspiration for her new song, "Hana." After a bit of research, I've learned that this 1938 film was based on one of Lloyd C. Douglas' "better living through faith" short stories (?), and--just as you suggested--Fay Bainter's Oscar-nominated role was actually spelled "Hannah Parmalee". It should also be noted that the Deborah Kerr character in John Huston's 1964 film version of Tennessee Williams' "The Night Of The Iguana" is named (and spelled in cast credits I've found) "Hanna Jelkes". I'm not exactly sure how Williams originally spelled it in his play, however, since he didn't pen the screenplay. So, perhaps Joni's "Hana" is actually a composite of BOTH characters ("HANNAH Parmalee" and "HANNA Jelkes")--thereby creating (voila!) "HANA". Just a thought (...and a possible explanation for the different spelling). XXXOOO, Billy NP: "The Pale Green Girl" (2004) by Penelope Houston ======================================== ckarma@hotmail.com wrote: From Joni's track by track for "Shine": 4. "Hana" "I wish I could remember the name of this great old movie from the '30s that I based this song on. The story is about a woman who literally shows up at a house in the middle of a blizzard. It's set in the Depression and she's selling kitchen utensils door to door. She literally comes in from the cold, sees the dire living situation of this school-teacher husband and his wife and kid, and becomes like an angel to them. She offers to be their maid, make their money stretch and get them back on the right track. Hana is a wily, street-wise, Irish woman who has a generous heart but also a hidden motive for being in this town: to visit her illegitimate son who was adopted by a rich family. I identified with her, but she was way ahead of me. She's exemplary in the way she dealt with life." Well Joni, the movie was 1938's "White Banners" directed by Edmund Goulding. Original music was by Max Steiner (woo hoo). Not a bad cast including Claude Rains, Claudette Colbert, Fay Bainter (Hannah or "Hana") and young Jackie Cooper. It was notable for a VERY REALISTIC depiction of the COLD INDIANA WINTER (think Griffith's "Way Down East"), which made the ending that much more gut wrenching. The character is referred to in literature I've found as "Hannah", not "Hana." Perhaps "Hana" is a Gaelic spelling? Perhaps this quote is indicative of "Hana"'s wise philosophy -- (The Schoolteacher, Paul Ward): "You don't think I have a fighting chance?" (Hannah): "I don't think you have a chance fighting." CC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:52:52 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: fascinating comments by Joni on each new track Thanks so much for posting this, Moni. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:17:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Preview of River: The Joni Letters Sorry that you had that take on it, J - we have some opinions in common but some major disparities too. Norah's vocal is my fave (after Joni's of course) - her style is understated and that's what she brings to the party, letting Herbie's musicianship keep its perspective. I was afraid that Tina was going to go all Thunderdome-diva with EATK but she plays it straight up & respectful and I love that track too. Corinne Bailey Rae doesn't do anything for me - I didn't care for her album and I don't hear what most folks do, I guess. And it's really irritating when she sings "cuttin'" as "Kuh-In"...sounds like River in the 'hood. Though in defense of her I suppose it could be said that like Norah she's just singing in her own style. Bottom line is that I like Norah's style. At least Cohen knows he CAN'T sing his way out of a sandwich bag so he just talks. I love the take on "Jungle Line" and they bring the maximium amount of rhythmic sinister-ness to it. I agree that Souza's version of "Amelia" is somewhat lacking in terms of emotional involvement, but I still like it simply because the song itself is just so darn good. Give a listen to her take on "Down To You" on her own record and your opinion of her will climb a notch or two. It's important to remember that at the end of the day this is HERBIE HANCOCK's record and that's where the focus should be and is. I appreciate all of the vocalists as support for the playing and arrangements and the album gets two wiggly thumbs up from me. What's really confounding about the project is trying to gather up all of the "bonus tracks" that aren't included in the domestic release; Case of You, All I Want, Harlem In Havana, I Had A King and others. Bob NP: Aerosmith, "Movin' Out" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:02:10 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest 2007 DVDs Kenny asked: > I guess I missed this before; how many DVD's are there; how much are > they and from who/where do I order? > Hi Kenny! Adriano did the DVD's. There are three DVDs in the set, and he is very fair with the cost. I hope you can get copies if he has any left. His email address is: lucatell@ictp.it Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:14:32 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) > From: Wtking59@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:47:54 -0400> Subject: Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-)> To: joni@smoe.org> CC: mark.travis@gte.net; ckarma@hotmail.com>> YES, Mark--I believe you're absolutely correct, as I didn't see Claudette Colbert's name listed in the credits either. You guys are absolutely right! I stand corrected. Memory had my beams crossing "White Banners" with "Imitation of Life" although they are really not similar. I should have checked those movie sources. What can I say, I think I just have "CC" on the brain. CC "White flags of winter chimneys waving truce against the moon." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo. 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. Its our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:27:43 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) Personally, I'm all about Hana. Hannah is rotten to the core and Hanna is a liar. These are the woes of life... :) - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:30:20 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Mingus In a message dated 9/18/2007 9:26:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net writes: "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" is Mingus' tribute to Lester Young. Joni's lyric fleshes out the tribute. The JM.com "Lyric Glossary" defines "Pork Pie Hat" here: _http://jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=32_ (http://jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=32) Jim L. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for the link. The other day I was watching Sex and the City and the following came up. The main character, Carrie, started dating a jazz musician who often wore a hat. Carrie's ex also met the jazz guy and in a state of jealousy started teasing her about him, referring to him at one point as "pork pie hat." - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:00:48 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Shine lyric for today..... So the days pass by the same if not worse as they always do, but hope is in the air with Shine coming out soon..... "Spirit of the water Give us all the courage and the grace To make genius of this tragedy unfolding The genius to save this place." - -Joni, the one and only - -M ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:15:26 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: So far from Shine......? So far from Shine (based on what we have heard here) what song is your favorite or more or less since it is too early to really tell, what song has the most potenial for you? - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:43:38 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: shine at walmart My sister just informed me: >joni mitchell will go on sale at wal mart for approximately 10.40 with tax >on >tues!!!!!!! >i just called them!! annette . _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:40:28 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: shine at walmart $10.40 is a pretty good deal. I wonder how much Starbucks will have it for. I may, for only the second time in my life, go into Starbucks to buy "Shine" as Starbucks is 5 minutes away from my house (hey, I prefer tea and I might as well drink that at home for free). All the music stores and such (atleast not the insanely overpriced ones in the mall--which is 5 minutes from me but cds there go for $18.99) are atleast 20 minutes away. The city I live in has a damn mini mall (and a mall as I mentioned) on every corner on the two main roads that pass through it yet we have no decent music stores here. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Song of America, Shine, etc. Hey guys, We got this collection at the community radio station where I DJ, and it's actually really good! I think it's almost worth buying just for the Martha Wainwright version of "I am Woman"...lol. It's an interesting and ecletic set. I'm also lucky enough to have gotten an advance copy of Shine...I've had it for a couple of weeks now, and I'm trying really hard to get into it. (Sort of a bad sign...). On the other hand, I was driving with my mom to see a concert last week, and I was tracking through Shine for her, and i realized I really liked some of the songs more than I thought. I don't want to taint anyone's first experience with the album, but I'll say this: my favorite tracks so far are If, Night of the Iguana, and Hana. Least favorite: BYT. I find that track completely pointless on this album, and quite frankly, lazy. Can't wait till its out and you've all heard it so the flame wars can begin, LOL! alison e. in slc NP: Rilo Kiley - ----- Original Message ---- From: JMDL Digest -------- Janet Reno's Vision? NJC ["Cassy" ] Will wonders never cease? Artists as diverse as John Mellencamp, Blind Boys of Alabama, Martha Wainwright, The Black Crowes and Andrew Bird contribute tracks to Song of America, a unique 50-song, three-CD set envisioned by former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno and artist/producer Ed Pettersen. The album that was released Tuesday, September 18. The collection recounts the history of America in song, from 1492 through to modern times. Song of America provides listeners an artistic way to connect with America's vast musical and cultural heritage with new and varied renditions of beloved classics. This amazing compilation includes musical interpretations performed by contemporary artists spanning the gamut of folk, blues, rock, R&B, country, classical, and hip-hop genres. Janet Reno explains, "I thought that music would be a great way to engage listeners, especially young listeners, and spark their interest so they could gain a greater understanding and appreciation for our history. I am very proud to be associated with this collection of inspired performances." Warmly, Cassy NP: Joni & Herbie - Tea Leaf Prophecy (I am really enjoying this one) - ------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com anybody know from past experience when Amazon.com would probably ship the pre-ordered ones? thx Em "You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm." Sidonie Gabrielle Colette ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:56:38 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' Gotta say that I agree with your comments 100%. The huge majority of our more recent female artists--particularly the most popular ones, it seems--just aren't what they used to be back in the days when Joni, Laura Nyro, Janis Joplin and Grace Slick ruled the masses (and/or wowed the critics) with their own unique visions of iconic brilliance. Not by a LONG shot! :-( XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'About the Blues' (1957) by Julie London ===================================== jkendel2002@yahoo.com wrote: I just finished streaming 'River: The Joni Letters,' and I am feeling quite bewildered. I LOVE Herbie's arrangements and all the musicians' performances, but, except for Tina Turner and Leonard Cohen, all the other vocalists seem totally out of sync with the instrumentals -- almost as if they were listening to some other versions of these songs when they cut their vocals. No sensitivity to what's going on around them musically, no inventiveness, no sense of timing or meaningful phrasing. Am I the only one experiencing this? It's just struck me that it's only the youngsters I have a problem with. Tina at least finds her way into the ballpark and, admirably, delivers some vulnerable and daringly different vocal treatments than I have ever heard from her. And Leonard and company turned in the finest track on the record -- an exquisite performance that genuinely pays tribute to Ms. Mitchell's work as a writer. Very beat and steeped in Leonard and Joni's co-history. Spellbinding and iconic. Sadly, Norah Jones' performance is the most painful -- and I adore everything else I've ever heard her do. It sounds like they had the whole thing done before she came in to track the song, and it turned out to be in a key that wasn't right for her voice and at a pace that didn't allow her any time to do anything but rush to the next phrase. The other women sound like mediocre karaoke. I wish I could get this record without the singers on it, except for maybe Tina -- and Leonard, of course. I continue to admire all the artists on this record, but I just can't understand how anyone could have sat in the sessions when the younger artists cut their vocals and said, "Oh, yeah, that's it." I'm disappointed that Herbie didn't work with them to get more expressive, meaningful performances from them -- or get other vocalists to re-cut the tracks. I find the "sing-along" nature of their performances really annoying! Did no one have the guts to say, "Hmmm, okay... we're not quite there yet..."? J np: Momma, Ben Burgess ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:00:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com Amazon ships new releases on Monday - you can buy a next-day delivery for an extra charge if you want to be assured of getting it on its release date. I'm wondering when it will be available on I-tunes. Not that I'm going to buy it from there, just curious since downloading is more popular than hardcopy these days. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Semi Suite" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:21:07 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com I've recently pre-ordered some cds from Amazon, and they are shipped the day of the release (not good news).? In the past, I think they used to ship in advance so they would arrive at your house on the release date, but they occasionally arrived a day or two early, and this upset certain industry types, so now they only ship on the release date.? Depending on your shipping method, this can mean a delay in getting the cd from 1 to?3 days. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: Em To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:04 am Subject: Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com anybody know from past experience when Amazon.com would probably ship the pre-ordered ones? thx Em "You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm." Sidonie Gabrielle Colette ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:17:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com hi Bob, so you think they might ship it Monday the 24th? that would be cool... What I was wondering is if it would be available on eMusic.com, as was Paul McCartney's last one. thx :) Em - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Amazon ships new releases on Monday - you can buy a next-day delivery > for > an extra charge if you want to be assured of getting it on its > release > date. > > I'm wondering when it will be available on I-tunes. Not that I'm > going to > buy it from there, just curious since downloading is more popular > than > hardcopy these days. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:32:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: So far from Shine......? - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > So far from Shine (based on what we have heard > here) what song is your > favorite or more or less since it is too early to > really tell, what song has the > most potenial for you? > -Monika > The ones I haven't heard yet. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:37:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' - --- Wtking59@cs.com wrote: > Gotta say that I agree with your comments 100%. > > The huge majority of our more recent female > artists--particularly the most > popular ones, it seems--just aren't what they used > to be back in the days when > Joni, Laura Nyro, Janis Joplin and Grace Slick ruled > the masses (and/or wowed > the critics) with their own unique visions of iconic > brilliance. > > Not by a LONG shot! :-( > > I have to admit, most of them sound the same to me. I swear, I've become my mother. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:50:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' I guess you have to say that every era has its own "style" of singing for better or worse. We can certainly recognize and identify it throughout the years, but maybe it is less apparent when it is current. And today's type of "popular" singing is certainly not meant to attract most of us on the list. And the seasons, they go round and round.... Jerry > --- Wtking59@cs.com wrote: > >> Gotta say that I agree with your comments 100%. >> >> The huge majority of our more recent female >> artists--particularly the most >> popular ones, it seems--just aren't what they used >> to be back in the days when >> Joni, Laura Nyro, Janis Joplin and Grace Slick ruled >> the masses (and/or wowed >> the critics) with their own unique visions of iconic >> brilliance. >> >> Not by a LONG shot! :-( >> >> > > I have to admit, most of them sound the same to me. I > swear, I've become my mother. > > > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:57:18 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: when you get shine Hey, ON THE DAY. . . . thE SPeciAL dAY that you get SHINE, LOG in and tell us WHERE and EXACTLY WHEN you GET IT! oaky? _________________________________________________________________ Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe. Claim your treat today! http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:57:35 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: So far from Shine......? "One Week Last Summer".......so good to hear Joni on the piano. "This Place".....I love the tropical feel of it, kinda like NRH. and "Shine"..... What a wonderful melody, and her voice sounds better than it has in years. Mind you, I haven't read any of the lyrics yet. I like to listen to the music before getting into the lyrics. Happy Hump Day! Jimmy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:41:16 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' I'm usually pretty good at being an old fogey, but I love the performances--vocal and instrumental--on the Hancock. Sounds a lot less synthetic than "Night of the Iguana," which I don't much care for. I'm not a neo-Luddite either, but I'd rather listen to actual instruments than to their simulated synthesizer facsimiles. Quoting Jerry Notaro : > I guess you have to say that every era has its own "style" of singing for > better or worse. We can certainly recognize and identify it throughout the > years, but maybe it is less apparent when it is current. And today's type of > "popular" singing is certainly not meant to attract most of us on the list. > And the seasons, they go round and round.... > > Jerry > > >> --- Wtking59@cs.com wrote: >> >>> Gotta say that I agree with your comments 100%. >>> >>> The huge majority of our more recent female >>> artists--particularly the most >>> popular ones, it seems--just aren't what they used >>> to be back in the days when >>> Joni, Laura Nyro, Janis Joplin and Grace Slick ruled >>> the masses (and/or wowed >>> the critics) with their own unique visions of iconic >>> brilliance. >>> >>> Not by a LONG shot! :-( >>> >>> >> >> I have to admit, most of them sound the same to me. I >> swear, I've become my mother. >> >> >> Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:44:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' I'm glad to hear that, Richard. I truly love the cd and all of its performances, especially Tina Turner. Jerry > I'm usually pretty good at being an old fogey, but I love the > performances--vocal and instrumental--on the Hancock. Sounds a lot > less synthetic than "Night of the Iguana," which I don't much care > for. I'm not a neo-Luddite either, but I'd rather listen to actual > instruments than to their simulated synthesizer facsimiles. > Quoting Jerry Notaro : > >> I guess you have to say that every era has its own "style" of singing for >> better or worse. We can certainly recognize and identify it throughout the >> years, but maybe it is less apparent when it is current. And today's type of >> "popular" singing is certainly not meant to attract most of us on the list. >> And the seasons, they go round and round.... >> >> Jerry >> >> >>> --- Wtking59@cs.com wrote: >>> >>>> Gotta say that I agree with your comments 100%. >>>> >>>> The huge majority of our more recent female >>>> artists--particularly the most >>>> popular ones, it seems--just aren't what they used >>>> to be back in the days when >>>> Joni, Laura Nyro, Janis Joplin and Grace Slick ruled >>>> the masses (and/or wowed >>>> the critics) with their own unique visions of iconic >>>> brilliance. >>>> >>>> Not by a LONG shot! :-( >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I have to admit, most of them sound the same to me. I >>> swear, I've become my mother. >>> >>> >>> Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:37:30 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Night of the Iguana -- what it means to me I have been listening to Night of the Iguana repeatedly on one of the free streams. First of all I love the sound of it... yes synthesizers and all. But after a recent listen the meaning of the lyric revealed itself to me. Even though the song is written in the third person (he) it tells the tale of sexual desire from the lead character's point of view. He is a defrocked minister who had previously succumbed to his obsession and lost everything. And now he is being tempted by the "kid in the see-through blouse" and it seems as if everything is conspiring against him (the see-through blouse, the kid would appear to be the aggressor since she is moving in hard on this holy vows, the smell of the mercilessly sweet jasmine, the widow dancing on the beach with her lover boys, the steaming stars, the flagrant women, his screaming senses, and the spell of the night) and he fears he will once again lose everything. Here once again Joni reveals herself as a great songwriter. I believe most writers would be tempted to pass some kind of judgment on the defrocked minister or frame it in more politically correct terms or make the kid the victim and the minister a lecher. But Joni just presents the story as one of sexual desire and leaves it at that. I believe this is where it thematically connects with the rest of the album. Human desire can lead to destructive behavior whether it be individual loss or the destruction of the earth due to uncontrolled consumerism. And in the end, at least in this song, God is of no help even to a man who once devoted his life to the church. At least that's what it means to me... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:50:28 -0700 From: "L.Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com Well, lately with Amazon it depends on what part of the country you're in and which distribution center you're getting shipped from. Lately for me some stuff ships the Saturday before, some the Monday before. Having worked in music retail I know which distributors have new releases drop shipped to your store on the Friday before and which ones don't drop until Monday so in many ways it's out of their hands. Now earlier this spring I was about to write Amazon off as they were cheaping out on the shipping method and it was taking 7 days to for new releases to get here. I suspect along with myself they got enough complaints that the last few months they seem to have rectified the problem. I'm back to getting new pre-ordered releases the day after or Thursday at the latest. I prefer when I can to buy from the one "indy" store left in Tucson when I want it on the street date but when I inquired about pre-ordering/reserving a copy there I got a big grief story about Starbucks distribution pricing and with what he'll have to pay wholesale to get the thing in his store he'll have to charge 16.98 just to break even on the title so he may not carry it at all. Sounds like there's some "greed" going on with this release and it's not going in Joni's pocket that's for sure. As for Wal-Mart, they could be giving the sucker away and it wouldn't entice me into one of their stores. Don't be too surprised if the Wal-Mart version has different cover art on it as god forbid we should see someone's bare ass on the cover of a CD.... Bruce >anybody know from past experience when Amazon.com would probably ship >the pre-ordered ones? >thx >Em > > > >"You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm." > > Sidonie Gabrielle Colette ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Listen to 'Big Yellow Taxi 2007' http://zaphod.uk.vvhp.net/v-v/070918094931 Enjoy! - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:29:53 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: shine at walmart Just so you know, when you buy a CD at a discount, it's the artist who takes the hit, not the record company, distributor or retail store... Marianne Rizzo wrote:>joni mitchell will go on sale at wal mart for approximately 10.40 with tax ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:40:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Joni on XM Cafe's daily grind, then and now The Daily Grind's 'Then and Now' just featured back to back Coyote and Shine. Interesting combo. Joni is everywhere, and I love it. Happy Hump Day and International Talk Like A Pirate Day. AAAAAAAAArrrrhhhg. Suze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:12:16 -0700 From: David Marine Subject: Re: Preview of River: The Joni Letters Hey List, The highlights for me so far are BSN and Tea Leaf Prophecy, especially Tea Leaf Prophecy, which is stunning. I'm wondering how this song was chosen. Does anyone know when it was recorded? I feels to me like a tribute / lament for Joni's mother. Bob, could you help us out with the bonus tracks? Amazon lists A Case of You and All I Want as special Amazon-only bonus tracks. Where can we find the other two? Best, David > > > What's really confounding about the project is trying to gather up > all of > the "bonus tracks" that aren't included in the domestic release; > Case of > You, All I Want, Harlem In Havana, I Had A King and others. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:26:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Preview of River: The Joni Letters Good question...like I said, it's confounding. I was originally under the impression that the import version was to be a 2-CD set, including Harlem, I Had A King, ACOY and others. "All I Want" appears to be an Amazon-only track, ACOY is featured on the import as a bonus track. The others remain shrouded in mystery. His website is of no help. But...I remain on the case and will do my best to share what I find out. Perhaps the others will be available only as downloads. 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Usually, the artists -- like Shawn Colvin or Eliza Gilkyson -- come to perform their songs with the band, but Strings Attached recently presented a 3-night Joni Mitchell tribute, featuring 3 local Austin singers, and the 4th and 5th nights they recorded the songs in the studio. The resulting "Back to the Garden" CD will be released in mid October, but you can order it now at www.StringsAttached.org. You may also go to this link and stream a promotional version of each track on the album: http://stringmusic.com/backtothegarden You're gonna need these: username: river password: caseofyou23 J np: Strings Attached, Chelsea Morning ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:26:38 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Shine Shines I've just heard several tracks played on my local radio station, and I will say this: this is the most significant release by Joni in decades. And not just because I agree with the politics of it. The music is fantastic, too. Some of you may know that I have been less than enthusiastic (to say the least) about pretty much everything Joni has released since WTRF. This is, imo, a return to form in a big way. I like the new BYT, too. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:57:36 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Shine on Amazon... 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Not bad, not bad at all. - -m ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:07:17 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Night of the Iguana -- what it means to me i'm outing myself as someone who got an advance copy of shine about three weeks ago, and i ADORE this album. especially compared to taming the tiger, her last album of originals. i love the production, synthesizers, organs and all. each song has its own sound, and the album is beautifully sequenced so no two songs sound similar next to each other (i thought sameness of production was a particular weekness of ttt) 'night of the iguana' is a particular favorite, the beginning sounds like someone slapping a mandolin, the rhythm really dances. another thing about 'iguana' is that it's very humorous. the movie, as it's described, sounds about as funny as a root canal, but joni sees the humor in the characters' foibles, and the production really makes it fun. the cheesy electric guitar on the choruses is perfect. "hana", with its squawks and beeps is also a production that works very well for me, and i love the lyrics, a character description of an admirable woman. the only song where the guitar sounds vg8 flat-and-boring (like most of ttt) is 'shine', but there's piano, muted trumpet and that beautiful mournful vocal. and 'if' is just a wonderful song, i really agreed with the way one of the reviews we read yesterday liked it. i'm not completely crazy about 'bad dreams', though it is lovely, but i really have fallen for 'if i had a heart i'd cry', which for some reason reminds me of todd rundgren. i was a little trepidatious about this album, and from the first listen i've been 'thank god!' i really think you guys are going to love it. patrick np - sondheim, putting it together - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of David Sapp Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:38 PM To: joni list Subject: Night of the Iguana -- what it means to me I have been listening to Night of the Iguana repeatedly on one of the free streams. First of all I love the sound of it... yes synthesizers and all. But after a recent listen the meaning of the lyric revealed itself to me. Even though the song is written in the third person (he) it tells the tale of sexual desire from the lead character's point of view. He is a defrocked minister who had previously succumbed to his obsession and lost everything. And now he is being tempted by the "kid in the see-through blouse" and it seems as if everything is conspiring against him (the see-through blouse, the kid would appear to be the aggressor since she is moving in hard on this holy vows, the smell of the mercilessly sweet jasmine, the widow dancing on the beach with her lover boys, the steaming stars, the flagrant women, his screaming senses, and the spell of the night) and he fears he will once again lose everything. Here once again Joni reveals herself as a great songwriter. I believe most writers would be tempted to pass some kind of judgment on the defrocked minister or frame it in more politically correct terms or make the kid the victim and the minister a lecher. But Joni just presents the story as one of sexual desire and leaves it at that. I believe this is where it thematically connects with the rest of the album. Human desire can lead to destructive behavior whether it be individual loss or the destruction of the earth due to uncontrolled consumerism. And in the end, at least in this song, God is of no help even to a man who once devoted his life to the church. At least that's what it means to me... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:23:53 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni on the radio today, whoa oh oh! Oh honeys, she turned me on! WARNING: Ooby shooby Flip City post ahead! I know some of you have heard "If" on the radio already, but this was my first time hearing it out of the blue, while travelling in my vehicle. It came to pass Like lightening striking from above Electric flash Just like lightening striking from above Struck by precious love Precious precious love It started as an announcement. I wasn't really tuned in because my head was full of work quandaries when suddenly I heard: "Hear Music is releasing Joni Mitchell's new album on September 25th. The same company that released Paul McCartney's latest, and that just signed James Taylor." Did he say JONI MITCHELL? All systems go! It sounded really loud they said it really loud On the radio whoa oh oh (One-Adam-twelve, one-Adam-twelve: Madwoman of Mansfield driving under the influence of new Joni! Driving while intoxicated. We'll get her now!) Note to self, just at that moment of the world: All senses on alert. Deep breath. (When I get this crazy feeling, I know I'm in trouble again.) Be prepared for emergency landing! And now in my heart I know I can say what I really feel cause they said it really loud They said it on the air On the radio whoa oh oh On the radio whoa oh oh On the radio whoa oh oh On the radio "It's called SHINE." Then came: "If": the music, the words, the VOICE! Oh, sweet Jesus! A loud, screaming-from-the gut, soul-stirred "Woooooo HOOOOOOOOOO" escaped from me and I raised my fist in Joni jublilation. YES! Good thing I was alone. Any passenger would have had a heart attack or would have screamed: "What the HELL are you doing?" I had to pull off the road (LOL...thinking of Sherelle pulling over for Roundabout) before I drove into a tree or whole museum of them or something, laughing and crying at the sheer spontaneous delight of it all. The dizzy dancing way you feel! It was like a blood transfusion giving me new life. New holy wine. Joni renews me, again and again. "If you think that love isn't found on the radio Well tune right in you might find the love you lost!" It was WGsomething, 88.3 on my dial ( TIC: dial in the number, who's bound to love you). Do you think this can be real? Yep. This was just another "pinch" that it is. Love, Patti P., wishing you all the same joy when it happens to you NPIMH: If you can fill the journey Of a minute With sixty seconds worth of wonder and delight Then The Earth is yours And Everything that's in it But more than that I know You'll be alright You'll be alright *** Thank you, Joni. We're all alright! We're all alright! _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: sweet bird I'm not sure if this should be NJC or not, although, it is totally about Joni, Has anyone ever been close to someone, and all of a sudden they surprise you with a tonne of knowlege about Joni, that they took the time to find out, just because they know how much Joni means to you, and that you love Joni's music and have done so, for many, many years? (hoping this makes sense) It's one hell of a gift, a surpise, my sweet Joni friend of spirit. fwiw, I love every little bit of Shine I have heard and look forward to NEXT Tuesday with open arms. I will remind those who are in proximity, that McNally Robinson is going to sell Shine at $14.99 Canadian, which is one hell of a deal, n'est-ce pas? Apparently, Universal has set out the deal, so it's all good. I'm excited. Not sure if I mentioned this before, but one of my life long friends who lives in Calgary went to see the ballet and said that it is brilliant. Her daughter, who is only 12 is a big Joni fan. Cool or what. Alison darling girl, it sure is nice to hear from you!! SLC cant be THAT far from the Peg ;--) now listening to Sweetbird, as if for the first time. Mags, writing for real, finally - --------------------------------- Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:30:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: So far from Shine......? The first one, the piano inspired by nature piece ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:46:24 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Tina and the Kingpin/I hate waiting My girl works it out!! I LOVE it! Go ahead Ms Tina!! I haven't wanted a weekend to go by so fast in a very long time..I am waiting for tuesday like I used to wait for christmas as a kid. Our girl is back..Can you even stand it? I can't.. I find myself telling everyone she's releasing a new album.. Ive posted it on my Myspace blog and sent out bulletins..lol.. I am so jazzed. I really thought she was done making music. Thankfully I was wrong. I am counting the seconds... 432,046 to go.. Love you all! xoxo Kev - --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #289 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)