From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #288 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, September 19 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 288 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Man from Mars [clive sax ] name that movie [Deb Messling ] fascinating comments by Joni on each new track [Deb Messling ] Re: fascinating comments by Joni on each new track [Moni Kellermann ] Re: News on www.jonimitchell.com ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] DJRR 2: Big Yellow Taxi [Moni Kellermann ] The name of that movie [c Karma ] JMDL Banner on NY Concert Footage on You Tube [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Joni "poem" in New Yorker [J Kendel Johnson ] If you can fill the journey of a minute... ["Jeff Hankins" ] Re: News on www.jonimitchell.com ["Owen Duff" ] Re: DJRR 2: Big Yellow Taxi [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) [Wtking59@cs.com] Subject: Mingus ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: 2007 Jonifest CD's [PassScribe@aol.com] Remake of BYT [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Preview of River: The Joni Letters [J Kendel Johnson ] Re: The name of that movie ["Mark Scott" ] Re: JMDL Banner on NY Concert Footage on You Tube ["Mark Scott" Subject: Man from Mars Hi all, On the back of the Prairie home Companion thread, has anyone seen the film 'The Bridge'?. It is about suicide attempts made by jumping of the golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. There is a small section where a guy contemplates his jump accompanied by the sound of the intro to 'Man From Mars'. Love to all Clive _________________________________________________________________ 100s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:16:20 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: name that movie Who can name this movie off the top of their head? 4. "Hana" "I wish I could remember the name of this great old movie from the '30s that I based this song on. The story is about a woman who literally shows up at a house in the middle of a blizzard. It's set in the Depression and she's selling kitchen utensils door to door. She literally comes in from the cold, sees the dire living situation of this school-teacher husband and his wife and kid, and becomes like an angel to them. She offers to be their maid, make their money stretch and get them back on the right track. Hana is a wily, street-wise, Irish woman who has a generous heart but also a hidden motive for being in this town: to visit her illegitimate son who was adopted by a rich family. I identified with her, but she was way ahead of me. She's exemplary in the way she dealt with life." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:25:28 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: fascinating comments by Joni on each new track Joni Mitchell Talks About Each Track On New CD, 'Shine'; Listen To ... Starpulse.com, CT - 9 hours ago Legendary singer/songwriter Joni Mitchell will be the next artist signed to the newly formed Hear Music label. The new CD, 'Shine,' a 10-song collection ... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------Deb Messling -^..^-dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:28:16 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: washington times review of Shine Even the right-wing press likes this record! http://washingtontimes.com/article/20070918/ENTERTAINMENT/109180011/1007 Maybe everyone else is Google-Newsing for Joni articles, so I hope these links aren't annoying. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:58:19 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: fascinating comments by Joni on each new track Wie Deb Messling so vortrefflich formulierte: > Joni Mitchell Talks About Each Track On New CD, 'Shine'; Listen To ... > Starpulse.com, CT - 9 hours ago Source: http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/09/17/joni_mitchell_talks_about_each_track_on_ 1. "One Week Last Summer" (instrumental) (From the CD liner notes: "I stepped outside of my little house and stood barefoot on a rock. The Pacific Ocean rolled towards me. Across the bay, a family of seals sprawled on the kelp uncovered by the low tide. A blue heron honked overhead. All around the house the wild roses were blooming. The air smelled sweet and salty and loud with crows and bees. My house was clean. I had food in the fridge for a week. I sat outside 'til the sun went down. That night the piano beckoned for the first time in 10 years. My fingers found these patterns that expressed what words could not. This song poured out while a brown bear rummaged through my garbage cans.") "This was originally titled 'Gratitude,' and it was the first piece I wrote for this album. I was in my house north of Vancouver, and I was feeling so grateful for this place that I've owned since 1969. I'd written a lot of my songs here-nearly all of For the Roses and Court & Spark, but that was on a baby grand which proved to be too big for the space. I finally replaced it with a spinet that has an old Wurlitzer five-stop electric keyboard in it. After 10 years of not playing the piano or my guitar, I sat down at the spinet and this just poured out in the spirit of I'm-so-happy-to-be-here. I was just ripple watching and cleaning my house, watching the shoals change and Big Bird flying over. It was cheap thrills at a time when nothing in Hollywood made me feel good. I started playing the piano and at first came noodles, a nucleus of sound. Then the dam broke and it began to pour out. Later in the studio I added the orchestration. I had called my engineer, Dan Marnien, to get me a composer's synthesizer that had good orchestral colors. On past albums I had jobbed out the arrangements, but I wanted to do my own this time. I laid down the meat and potatoes of the tune and then I painted over that, skimming a little color around the notes, going back to my palette to see what colors worked best. Then I called Bob Sheppard in to play saxophone. This is the only song he plays alto saxophone on. All the others are soprano. It was his decision to play alto, and it was good call." 2. "This Place" "This song is about preventing a catastrophe. When I first moved to this place in B.C., it was rural and the land's function hadn't been designed. It contained the remnants of the logging industry and most of the people who lived here were poor. No one knew about it. I knew that sometimes a famous person moving in can start a gentrification movement, so I've been very quiet here for 30-plus years. But now, five miles away on the Sunshine Coast, developers are beginning to clear cut areas so the wealthy people can build houses and bring in their yachts. And then we learned that we don't own the mineral rights to our land. A company started poking around, wanting to tear a mountain down for gravel, then build a giant conveyor belt out into the ocean where the gravel would be picked up by huge diesel-powered boats several times a day. The deal ended up falling through, but it still concerns everyone living here. The song talks about my neighbor, caretaker and friend, Hans, who says, 'When I get to heaven, if it is not like this, I'll just hop a cloud and I'm coming back down here...' It ends with the line about having the 'genius to save this place.' I remember an actor in L.A. telling me once that everyone's a genius. I didn't agree with him, but then I thought, wouldn't it be nice if that were true." 3. "If I Had a Heart" "I spent a couple of years in anger. I had fallen into a place where there was a lot of shaming and blaming, which I believe is the lowest level of evil. It conspires to having a bad heart-a heart poisoned with anger. I did a lot of weeping for what's happening to the earth when I was in my 20s. I could see a lot of things coming. Now I feel kind of inoculated to what people are now just discovering. If they're waking up and seeing it, they're in pain and they're feeling helpless. This is a lamentation that asks the question, what can we do when we feel feeble, when we feel that things are so out of hand. How can we heal the holy earth? I may feel like a flea on a dinosaur, but I'm still kicking it in the shins." 4. "Hana" "I wish I could remember the name of this great old movie from the '30s that I based this song on. The story is about a woman who literally shows up at a house in the middle of a blizzard. It's set in the Depression and she's selling kitchen utensils door to door. She literally comes in from the cold, sees the dire living situation of this school-teacher husband and his wife and kid, and becomes like an angel to them. She offers to be their maid, make their money stretch and get them back on the right track. Hana is a wily, street-wise, Irish woman who has a generous heart but also a hidden motive for being in this town: to visit her illegitimate son who was adopted by a rich family. I identified with her, but she was way ahead of me. She's exemplary in the way she dealt with life." 5. "Bad Dreams" "The chorus line, 'Bad dreams are good/In the great plan,' came from my grandson, who said this when he was 3 years old. My daughter, grandson and I went to see the play version of 'The Phantom of the Opera.' He was all dressed up and had been really well behaved during the play. But afterwards when we went to a restaurant, he was tired and hungry and started acting up. To try to stop his tantrum, I pointed to the theater across the street where the play had been performed and told him that the Phantom lives in a tunnel under the old house. Basically I was resorting to telling him a black fairy tale to keep him quiet. When he settled down, my daughter said, 'It's a wonder sometimes that he doesn't give me bad dreams.' He responded by saying, 'But Mamma, bad dreams are good in the great plan.' And I said, how do you know that? And he replied that he didn't know. All I know is that this was one of the few profound things people have told me in person. (Another one was a guy telling me once, 'Joni, Joni, keep up the divine dissatisfaction, but don't worry.') The beginning of the song is based on a haiku I had written - the only poetry I had written in 10 years: The cats are in the flowerbed A red hawk rides the sky A little dog is chewing on a book of matches. Well, the little dog didn't fit the melody, but the rest did. So, those two lines and the 'If' poem by Rudyard Kipling were the only words I had in my head when I started the album. It's true there's a sorrow and despair in this song. But it's factual. Rather than make a sad sack out of myself, I figured, let's talk turkey and face facts. It's not that I have a negative view. And I don't want people to think, 'Oh, Joni, she's suffering.' If people are seeing me confessing to something, they're missing the point of this song. Even though I'm using 'I,' I'm hoping people won't think this is autobiographical, but that they will see themselves in it. Certainly I see myself in that grocery list of failures-like being selfish, forgetting to be grateful, focusing on the me me me. As for the superheroes saving the day, children who grow up with those fantasy figures may end up being frustrated by this rough world. Fantasy escape may not necessarily be the best toy for the troubles that lie ahead." 6. "Big Yellow Taxi (2007)" "This song ended up in the ballet. It's the only song like it in the ballet and on the album. It's the encore of the ballet, which doesn't usually have one because it's dance. But [choreographer] Jean Grande-Maitre said, 'Joni always has encores, so we must have one.' I chose to revisit this song and do it so that it has an element of humor in it. I came across a doo-wop pattern and kept going with it. The chorus sounds like bop. I came up with an arrangement that is very French-circus sounding and uses instrumental sounds, like the accordion, that some people may consider square. It works great for the ballet encore-it dances perfect without drums-and on the album, the song keeps the theme going and lightens the feel after 'Bad Dreams.' Why is this song still viable? It's taken people a long time to see that we have to cut back on our electricity, but we won't. The idea of this song wasn't popular when I first recorded it, and it's not now either because we're drowning in pop culture." 7. "Night of the Iguana" "This is loosely based on the film of the same name [director John Huston's 1964 screen adaptation of Tennessee Williams' play] where Richard Burton plays the role of an alcoholic preacher who loses his church because he was seduced by a woman. But he's not defrocked of his clerical collar. He ends up leading a bus tour to Mexico that stops in a funky, rundown place where once again he has to deal with temptation. The song fits in with the theological/ecological theme of the album. I added cello and sax and then electric guitar into the mix after I had the tune itself. Then I had Brian Blade come in to hit really hard on his drums, and Larry Klein play out the bass sketch I had written." 8. "Strong and Wrong" "This was one of the last songs written for the album. Originally I had a different syncopation to the melody. I wrote it instrumentally, like I did with all the other songs on the album. At first I was going to keep it as an instrumental and use it as a hidden track. There was such a spontaneous beauty to the melody, and I had a hard time getting beyond the 'breaking away' phrase I was thinking of when I was looking for lyrics. The words came to me after seeing a National Geographic documentary on the gnostic gospels where two of the experts agreed that Jesus was easily amused and had a childlike sense of humor. They based that assertion on a passage about Jesus in a black robe laughing his head off at his disciples. Behind the scenes of the show, the two experts ended up getting into a bitter dispute, which spoke to me about what that scene is all about anyway: Jesus seeing his disciples worshipping their own egos. He's laughing at their foolishness. So, the song is talking about Christianity worshipping egos, like Bush saying that he talked with God last night. I see it as him having a little chat with his ego. Then there are the men loving war, like Jesus Camp [the documentary film about the evangelical church summer camp that espouses teaching children to be members of the "army of God"]. It's a militant camp where 3 year olds are being told to stand up for God. It's terrifying. To me, it's the most nonspiritual warp of Christianity to date." 9. "Shine" "These lyrics were born over a period of time, and the song could have been 14 minutes long instead of seven. In a sense, 'Shine' is reminiscent of that old Sunday School song about letting your light shine. I heard the words of the chorus first, but I didn't know what the song was going to be about. When I recorded it, I was sick so a doctor prescribed some penicillin, which I had an allergic reaction to. I was delirious, stressed out, and we worked all night long. I was so delirious that I was playing way back on the beat. The tone of it reminds me of the Blue album. I was also very sick when I recorded that. When I was inducted into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame in Toronto in January 2007, I had demos of the Shine songs with me and played them to some friends at a party afterward. James Taylor told me that he had to play on this song. I wasn't sure if anyone could because it was created in such a rare spirit. But James came in anyway and I asked him to play short figures like a saxophone. So you can hear fractions of James' guitar playing here." 10. "If" "My friend called me up and read this Rudyard Kipling poem to me over the phone. As soon as I heard it, it resonated with me, and I wanted to set it to music. I love the opening line: 'If you can keep your head/While all about you/People are losing theirs and blaming you.' So, I wrote down the words, went to my house in Vancouver and made a song out of it. It's the only song that I wrote up there on the guitar. The poem is written from a soldier's perspective, so I rewrote some of the poetry. Kipling wrote, 'If we can fill the journey/Of a minute/With 60 seconds worth of distance run/Then you'll be a man, my son." I disagree with him, philosophically speaking, that endurance gives you the inheritance of the earth. My experience tells me that the earth is innocence, with wonder and delight, which is renewable. The blue heron on my property flies overhead, and I'm a 3 year old. I'm filled with wonder and delight. So I rewrote that part of the poem as 'If you can fill the journey/Of a minute/With 60 seconds worth of wonder and delight.' Kipling's version is macho; I wanted to get the feminine principle into the poetry." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:15:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: fascinating comments by Joni on each new track Moni, thanks so much for posting all that. I love this: "This is a lamentation that asks the question, what can we do when we feel feeble, when we feel that things are so out of hand. How can we heal the holy earth? I may feel like a flea on a dinosaur, but I'm still kicking it in the shins." I guess its an extension of shaking one's fist at lightning and roaring like forest fire... It brings me happiness that Joni got this creative spurt...renews my faith in life. Can't wait to get the album and settle in with a pair of headphones. It will take careful planning, no distractions...dim lights, a couple of candles, maybe buy a special bottle o'wine for the occaision. :) take care Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:33:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: fascinating comments by Joni on each new track Hey, thanks a lot for the link, Deb - I was hanging on her every word as you were too I'm sure. I LOVE this quote: "I may feel like a flea on a dinosaur, but I'm still kicking it in the shins." And I also found it humorous to see that the infamous "Bad Dreams Are Good" originated from a haiku that she had written. Bob, the hillbilly shin-kicker NP: XTC, "Ball & Chain" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Jim L. np: "Crash" by Patricia Barber, not the DMB one. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:54:59 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: News on www.jonimitchell.com Hear the remake of BYT here: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article2482168.ece Quoting Michael Paz : > I could listen to her talk forever. > > Sigh > > Paz > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:35 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > Les put some news on www.jonimitchell.com today. > > Jim L. > np: "Crash" by Patricia Barber, not the DMB one. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:16:54 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: fascinating comments by Joni on each new track In a message dated 9/18/2007 8:01:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kellerfrau@gmx.de writes: Fantasy escape may not necessarily be the best toy for the troubles that lie ahead." - ------------------------------------------------------ First off, thank you for posting that! It indeed is fascinating. I always enjoy whenever Joni talks, whether you hear it in a video or on a live recording, or if you read it in print. And I absolutely love hearing insight into the creative mind as we do here--you know, Joni going into detail about how she wrote everything and what spurred it on. I love that! This is just so exciting, isn't it? Anyhow, I particularly enjoyed her comment above on "fantasy escape." As children we always engage in fantasy and honestly, up until a certain point, I wouldn't want it any other way. Childhood was the time in my life where I remember being the happiest. I have wonderful memories from it. But of course even as adults we lapse into fantasy. I think an "escape" is good in moderation because if you spend no time away from reality I think you'd be frustrated most of the time and if you spend too much time, well then you'll miss out on the real world--good and bad which both have their consequences. Even Joni took time off away from everything and everybody at various points in her life to be alone and write. That is healthy and needed some of the time! Anyway, we're getting closer and closer to the 25th! It's absolutely insane how fast time is going! - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:58:41 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Shine Audio Samples For those who haven't heard samples, Amazon has them! My copy's on pre-order. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:37:38 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: DJRR 2: Big Yellow Taxi Thanx to Richard for posting the story at http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article2482168.ece This is a streaming asf file again. So basically you can use my former tutorial to save that song to your mp3 player. The URL (which you paste into the WM Recorder) this time is: mms://wm.interoute.com/{6ffab433-1c7d-4a4a-a9cc-472ebc88c47e}/{5f5726fa-216e-48cf-aebd-2e6bd6e503ea}/06 Big Yellow Taxi [2007 Version].wma Enjoy! moni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:48:39 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: The name of that movie From Joni's track by track for "Shine": 4. "Hana" "I wish I could remember the name of this great old movie from the '30s that I based this song on. The story is about a woman who literally shows up at a house in the middle of a blizzard. It's set in the Depression and she's selling kitchen utensils door to door. She literally comes in from the cold, sees the dire living situation of this school-teacher husband and his wife and kid, and becomes like an angel to them. She offers to be their maid, make their money stretch and get them back on the right track. Hana is a wily, street-wise, Irish woman who has a generous heart but also a hidden motive for being in this town: to visit her illegitimate son who was adopted by a rich family. I identified with her, but she was way ahead of me. She's exemplary in the way she dealt with life." Well Joni, the movie was 1938's "White Banners" directed by Edmund Goulding. Original music was by Max Steiner (woo hoo). Not a bad cast including Claude Rains, Claudette Colbert, Fay Bainter (Hana) and young Jackie Cooper. It was notable for VERY REALISTIC depiction of the COLD INDIANA WINTER (think Griffith's "Way Down East"), which made the ending that much more gut wrenching. The character is referred to in literature I've found as "Hannah", not "Hana." Perhaps "Hana" is a Gaelic spelling? Perhaps this quote is indicative of "Hana"'s wise philosophy -- (The Schoolteacher, Paul Ward played by Rains): "You don't think I have a fighting chance?" (Hannah): "I don't think you have a chance, fighting." CC _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:29:54 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: JMDL Banner on NY Concert Footage on You Tube Not sure if this has already been mentioned but at the beginning of this Youtube footage there is a big ass JMDL banner in the front row so may I assume that some lucky people off this list were at this concert?? Wondering who was there and how it was .................thanks....Stewart http://youtube.com/watch?v=J5k_B37R3Xs - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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NP: If....over and over again Just popping briefly out of lurkdom to say I love it, love it - and with all the fascinating (no irony there) back-and-forth about poetry vs song, I for one have to say that this makes a better song than it ever was a poem. Sorry Mr Kipling - but I wonder how many of us were dreading to hear the pompous, jingoistic much beloved bit of doggerel treated with rather too much reverence on Shine. But now - begone fears - a splendidly sinuous tune, a gorgeously sensuous voice makes it into a palatable groovy catalogue of semi-wisdom. And hey, if you can do all that - yeah - you'll be alright! Love it! Jeff, Wales ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:29:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: DJRR 2: Big Yellow Taxi Question for you (Ich habe eine frage). How the heck do you figure out what the url is for the particular asf file? I was trying to use that program to capture some other stuff from youtube and so on, to see how that would work, and to capture a file for my daughter, but kept getting error messages (I'm not at home now, but goofing off at work just before leaving for home, so I don't remember precisely what the error message was). I'm sure it's because the url you see on the page is for the page itself and not for the music file embedded within it, but I can't figure out how to get the actual url for the music file. I tried clicking on properties and a few other things, but can't figure this out at all. - --- Moni Kellermann wrote: > Thanx to Richard for posting the story at > http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article2482168.ece > > This is a streaming asf file again. > > So basically you can use my former tutorial to save > that song to your > mp3 player. > > The URL (which you paste into the WM Recorder) this > time is: > > mms://wm.interoute.com/{6ffab433-1c7d-4a4a-a9cc-472ebc88c47e}/{5f5726fa-216e-48cf-aebd-2e6bd6e503ea}/06 > > Big Yellow Taxi [2007 Version].wma > > Enjoy! > moni > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:20:53 +0000 From: "Owen Duff" Subject: Re: News on www.jonimitchell.com Cool! It's lovely to read Joni's words, she comes across as insightful and amusing, as always. I'm eagerly anticipating 'Shine' (which, in light of discussions that some of you may remember, is being purchased by someone else on my behalf!), but I'm still very disappointed by the inclusion of the blasted synthesizer sounds that are crawling over everything I've heard so far. But I suppose I'll just have to get over it, or record my own versions... O Lycos email has 300 Megabytes of free storage... Get it now at mail.lycos.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:03:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: DJRR 2: Big Yellow Taxi - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > Question for you (Ich habe eine frage). > > How the heck do you figure out what the url is for > the > particular asf file? I was trying to use that > program > to capture some other stuff from youtube and so on, > to > see how that would work, and to capture a file for > my > daughter, but kept getting error messages (I'm not > at > home now, but goofing off at work just before > leaving > for home, so I don't remember precisely what the > error > message was). I'm sure it's because the url you see > on > the page is for the page itself and not for the > music > file embedded within it, but I can't figure out how > to > get the actual url for the music file. I tried > clicking on properties and a few other things, but > can't figure this out at all. I managed to blunder through and get this one. The url you provided didn't seem to work, but I was able to get it while playing it on winamp. I have absolutely no idea what I did and am not sure I'd be able to do it again, but - it worked, so who cares? Not sure about the Youtube stuff though and if this wm recorder would work on that - have you ever done it? (recognizing that the quality on a lot of youtube stuff is pretty awful.) Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:10:38 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) THANKS-A-BUNCH for revealing the film title ("White Banners") that Joni couldn't remember as the inspiration for her new song, "Hana." After a bit of research, I've learned that this 1938 film was based on one of Lloyd C. Douglas' "better living through faith" short stories (?), and--just as you suggested--Fay Bainter's Oscar-nominated role was actually spelled "Hannah Parmalee". It should also be noted that the Deborah Kerr character in John Huston's 1964 film version of Tennessee Williams' "The Night Of The Iguana" is named (and spelled in cast credits I've found) "Hanna Jelkes". I'm not exactly sure how Williams originally spelled it in his play, however, since he didn't pen the screenplay. But, perhaps Joni's "Hana" is actually a composite of BOTH characters ("HANNAH Parmalee" and "HANNA Jelkes")--thereby creating (voila!) "HANA". Just a thought (...and a possible explanation for the different spelling). XXXOOO, Billy NP: "The Pale Green Girl" (2004) by Penelope Houston ======================================== ckarma@hotmail.com wrote: From Joni's track by track for "Shine": 4. "Hana" "I wish I could remember the name of this great old movie from the '30s that I based this song on. The story is about a woman who literally shows up at a house in the middle of a blizzard. It's set in the Depression and she's selling kitchen utensils door to door. She literally comes in from the cold, sees the dire living situation of this school-teacher husband and his wife and kid, and becomes like an angel to them. She offers to be their maid, make their money stretch and get them back on the right track. Hana is a wily, street-wise, Irish woman who has a generous heart but also a hidden motive for being in this town: to visit her illegitimate son who was adopted by a rich family. I identified with her, but she was way ahead of me. She's exemplary in the way she dealt with life." Well Joni, the movie was 1938's "White Banners" directed by Edmund Goulding. Original music was by Max Steiner (woo hoo). Not a bad cast including Claude Rains, Claudette Colbert, Fay Bainter (Hannah or "Hana") and young Jackie Cooper. It was notable for a VERY REALISTIC depiction of the COLD INDIANA WINTER (think Griffith's "Way Down East"), which made the ending that much more gut wrenching. The character is referred to in literature I've found as "Hannah", not "Hana." Perhaps "Hana" is a Gaelic spelling? Perhaps this quote is indicative of "Hana"'s wise philosophy -- (The Schoolteacher, Paul Ward): "You don't think I have a fighting chance?" (Hannah): "I don't think you have a chance fighting." CC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:26:27 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Mingus Great. Most of the stories on "Mingus" are Joni's take on Mingus' life and / or directly from his autobiography. That thought is from Charles Mingus, as 'seen' through Joni's lens. "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" is Mingus' tribute to Lester Young. Joni's lyric fleshes out the tribute. The JM.com "Lyric Glossary" defines "Pork Pie Hat" here: http://jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=32 Jim L. >All I can say today is the line, "God must be a boogie man," >is stuck in my head.... >Monika, excited about Mingus and exciting about Shine's release >soon to be.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:47:19 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: 2007 Jonifest CD's In a message dated 9/18/07 3:00:37 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: LCStanley7@aol.com > Subject: Jonifest 2007 DVD's > > Very nice job Adriano!!! > > I guess I missed this before; how many DVD's are there; how much are they and from who/where do I order? Kenny B ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:52:42 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Remake of BYT I finally had the chance to listen to this (about 5 times in a row), and I loved it. I thought this was a very fresh take on this song. When I first heard she was remaking this song, I thought why bother, it's been covered to death. Leave it Joni to breathe new life into it. Only one week to go! Woo-hoo! Jack In a message dated 9/18/2007 9:58:31 AM Central Daylight Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/articl e2482168.ece ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: Preview of River: The Joni Letters I just finished streaming River: The Joni Letters, and I am feeling quite bewildered. I LOVE Herbie's arrangements and all the musicians' performances, but, except for Tina Turner and Leonard Cohen, all the other vocalists seem totally out of sync with the instrumentals -- almost as if they were listening to some other versions of these songs when they cut their vocals. No sensitivity to what's going on around them musically, no inventiveness, no sense of timing or meaningful phrasing. Am I the only one experiencing this? It's just struck me that it's only the youngsters I have a problem with. Tina at least finds her way into the ballpark and, admirably, delivers some vulnerable and daringly different vocal treatments than I have ever heard from her. And Leonard and company turned in the finest track on the record -- an exquisite performance that genuinely pays tribute to Ms. Mitchell's work as a writer. Very beat and steeped in Leonard and Joni's co-history. Spellbinding and iconic. Sadly, Norah Jones' performance is the most painful -- and I adore everything else I've ever heard her do. It sounds like they had the whole thing done before she came in to track the song, and it turned out to be in a key that wasn't right for her voice and at a pace that didn't allow her any time to do anything but rush to the next phrase. The other women sound like mediocre karaoke. I wish I could get this record without the singers on it, except for maybe Tina -- and Leonard, of course. I continue to admire all the artists on this record, but I just can't understand how anyone could have sat in the sessions when the younger artists cut their vocals and said, "Oh, yeah, that's it." I'm disappointed that Herbie didn't work with them to get more expressive, meaningful performances from them -- or get other vocalists to re-cut the tracks. I find the "sing-along" nature of their performances really annoying! Did no one have the guts to say, "Hmmm, okay... we're not quite there yet..."? J np: Momma, Ben Burgess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:08:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: The Reverend Pearson For those interested, MSNBC is reairing it's documentary on Bishop Pearson mentioned in Shine this month. - --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:25:18 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: The name of that movie > Well Joni, the movie was 1938's "White Banners" directed by Edmund > Goulding. Original music was by Max Steiner (woo hoo). Not a bad cast including Claude Rains, Claudette Colbert, Fay Bainter (Hana) and young Jackie Cooper. Hm. Not in 'Leonard Maltin's 2008 Movie Guide' and the IMDB doesn't show Claudette Colbert in the cast. But Claude Rains was a fine actor. Bette Davis always said he was her favorite actor. And I love Fay Bainter! Usually a supporting player but alway first rate. She was Bette Davis's Aunt Belle in 'Jezebel' and also played Katharine Hepburn's illustrious aunt in 'Woman of the Year'. I'll have to be on the lookout for this one. Maybe TCM will run it some time. Interesting that it made such an impression on Joni. Must have been those cold Canadian winters that made her remember/relate to it. Mark E. in Seattle back to work today after foot surgery last Wednesday. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: JMDL Banner on NY Concert Footage on You Tube I would venture to guess that this footage was from the 'A Day in the Garden' Woodstock anniversary concert in 1998. It says Bethel NY and the following clip of 'Slouching Toward Bethlehem' has 'A Day in the Garden' flashed on screen at the beginning and is surely from the same concert (same backdrop, same outfit). If that is the case, there were most certainly people from the JMDL there. In fact there probably hasn't been a Joni Mitchell performance since the list started that hasn't been attended by someone from the JMDL. I have had the privledge of attending 2 concerts in 1998 at the Gorge in Washington state (wearing a JMDL 'Siquomb, isn't she shirt?') and a performance from the 'Both Sides Now' tour with full orchestra at the Concorde Pavillion in 2000. Then there are those lucky dogs who got to attend the 'Painting with Words and Music' taping and who also got to meet Joni afterwards. Alas, I was not one of those and have never had that particular privledge. Mark E. in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: JMDL Banner on NY Concert Footage on You Tube > Not sure if this has already been mentioned but at the beginning of > this > Youtube footage there is a big ass JMDL banner in the front row so > may I > assume that some lucky people off this list were at this concert?? > Wondering who was there and how it was > .................thanks....Stewart > > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=J5k_B37R3Xs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: JMDL Banner on NY Concert Footage on You Tube Hey Mark and Stewart, Yes, there was a big group of us that attended A Day in the Garden, me being one of them. I made the banner as at the time I was still teaching, and one has access to great big rolls of paper. It appeared to us that Joni actually took a picture of the banner, and the cool thing is seeing it like that on tape brings back very sweet memories of a fun filled weekend. Where are all the listers from that trip? Happy Tuesday, Suze ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- Subject : Re: JMDL Banner on NY Concert Footage on You Tube Date : Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 From : "Mark Scott" To : , I would venture to guess that this footage was from the 'A Day in the Garden' Woodstock anniversary concert in 1998. It says Bethel NY and the following clip of 'Slouching Toward Bethlehem' has 'A Day in the Garden' flashed on screen at the beginning and is surely from the same concert (same backdrop, same outfit). If that is the case, there were most certainly people from the JMDL there. In fact there probably hasn't been a Joni Mitchell performance since the list started that hasn't been attended by someone from the JMDL. I have had the privledge of attending 2 concerts in 1998 at the Gorge in Washington state (wearing a JMDL 'Siquomb, isn't she shirt?') and a performance from the 'Both Sides Now' tour with full orchestra at the Concorde Pavillion in 2000. Then there are those lucky dogs who got to attend the 'Painting with Words and Music' taping and who also got to meet Joni afterwards. Alas, I was not one of those and have never had that particular privledge. Mark E. in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: JMDL Banner on NY Concert Footage on You Tube > Not sure if this has already been mentioned but at the beginning of > this > Youtube footage there is a big ass JMDL banner in the front row so > may I > assume that some lucky people off this list were at this concert?? > Wondering who was there and how it was > .................thanks....Stewart > > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=J5k_B37R3Xs ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #288 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)