From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #276 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, September 10 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 276 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: On a Joni mission [jeannie ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #275 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #275 [StDoherty@aol.com] RE: shine in tomorrow's NewYork Times [Bryan ] Hana and more [] Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery [Bryan ] Re: Joni's influence on you? ["Mark Scott" ] a diamond snake around my arm.... ["Mark Scott" ] SV: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery ["Marion Leffler] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: On a Joni mission Good Evening, Oddmund. You know, anyone who truly listens to Joni's expressions in her music, I must say, would benefit. I'd say your mission is worth it for many of life's causes. So, go for it, Oddmund! May God's love for you guide you through your journies. Truly, Jeannie Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: Regarding our dear siste Annie Lennox (who also relaeses an album approximately at the same time as Joni, according to the information provided by Amazon) In her past she said: "You can fool with your brother - But don't mess with a missionary man." Ten years ago, I was kind of a christian missionary man. I was young. I was idealistic. And I had a strong belief I wanted to share, wherever and whenever. It was a rich time in many ways. I spoke to all kinds of people, and got to know people very different from myself, they teached me, after a while, that things weren't black and white. So after a while I gave up on my mission. It didn't feel right. It feels like such a long time has passed, but really it's just ten years, just so many things have happened. Coming out of the gay closet, for one, as maybe the most important feature to my life and ny bekief. Now thes days, I really sucks as a christian missionary. I'm not doing any mission at all. Doesn't feel right, doesn't feel me. And it feels good not to, because I feel that people have to find their beliefs themselves, it's no help me forcing anything on anyone... Although I've made some exceptions. When there is things I'm burning with interest and enthusiams for, than I'm happy again to be a missionary man. These days my main-mission is to read and evaluate books and to recomend the tremoundously web-site www.onskebok.no (http://www.whichbook.net/) But I'm also a Joni missionary man. So yesterday I went to this christian-gay church I sometimes attend to. And there was a party afterwards and we started taking about obsessed music lovers/fans. One was shocked about Elvis fans who goes to Graceland in sort of a pilgrimage. Others talked about the Abba Museum that are soon being built, and about how likely it would be that fans would go on a pilgrimage to Sweden too. Then, I couldn't help nyself, I just had to get out of the closet as a Joni fan. I said: "I'm such a fan, I'm such a fan who would take a mortage just to see Joni in concert if I had a chance." Poeple looked at me amazed, and a bit shocked, 'till this guy supported me and said "Oh yeah, Joni is great, you should really go if you had the chance..." And I told the "Oh well Joni is releasing a new album in end of september" One older guy asked me what the album was called and I told him "Shine" And I asked them if anyone knew Rudyad Kiplings poem "If" which is being featured on the disc. The one who knew it said that he was really into Cat Stevens (or Yusuf Islam) an we agreed that the seventies was such a great time for music. I threw in a good word for the faboulous Sandy Denny (Fairport Convention) before I threw in the towel. Quite satisfied. The old missionary man strikes again, but not for God this time, this time it's for Joni. And I*'m sure I can do a good Herbie Hancock mission as well..... So To all of you with all kinds of predjudism and traumas with missionary men, I hope you can apologize me for bringing in the term. I just did it, to show that it can also be attended on Joni. And it made me very happy (-: So there. Have a great week-end Love ! Oddmund, Norway - --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:57:43 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #275 In a message dated 9/9/2007 3:07:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Ms. Mitchell wrote on her Web site Joni's got a web site? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:56:54 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #275 In a message dated 9/9/2007 3:07:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Ms. Mitchell wrote on her Web site ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: RE: shine in tomorrow's NewYork Times So, is there a longer version of the Shine item in the print version of the NYT? The online article is somewhat brief, and I can't quite tell if it's supposed be a review, a news update, or ? Certainly doesn't seem like a real review to me. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:48:18 -0700 From: Subject: Hana and more Hi Marianne, I don't have a copy of Shine but have heard some downloads that I recall were referenced here a few weeks back. I'm sure the real disk is going to sound all the more spectacular. My first impression was that it was a bit of For the Roses II but on further listening it has many bits of all Joni's styles over the years plus some whole new sounds. It is very interesting. Also, I must say that as much as I love Wayne Shorter's contributions to Joni's music over the years, I think this time Bob Sheppard's participation was just meant to be, whether by design, convenience or divine accident. Bob should get some kind of big recognition for this one. It was one of the bigger "oh my" surprises to me. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery The official amazon.com review of Shine is lukewarm (whatever...) and includes a claim that Joni is practicing "pedantic effrontery" in some of the album's lesser songs. I am stunned. If I had known the woman has been abusing children all these years, I would have ditched her long ago. But seriously, how can we take a review seriously with such pretentious language? Furthermore, the "Jason" who wrote the review is probably all of 23 years old. Curmudgeonly, Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:53:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery - --- Bryan wrote: > The official amazon.com review of Shine is lukewarm > (whatever...) and includes a claim that Joni is > practicing "pedantic effrontery" in some of the > album's lesser songs. I am stunned. If I had known > the woman has been abusing children all these years, > I would have ditched her long ago. But seriously, > how can we take a review seriously with such > pretentious language? Furthermore, the "Jason" who > wrote the review is probably all of 23 years old. > > Curmudgeonly, > Bryan > Thanks for the laugh, Bryan. I think someone may have been abusing the thesaurus as he wrote that review. And yeah, I can't think of anyone named Jason who's over 30 except for Jason Robards and the guy with the Argonauts. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:14:28 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery In a message dated 9/9/2007 9:16:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, taulbeebryan@yahoo.com writes: Furthermore, the "Jason" who wrote the review is probably all of 23 years old. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - I can't say anything much for a lukewarm review except that it is only one opinion. We must base our own judgment on our own opinions. If everyone only took to those things which were only praised highly, we would have very things to be into if any at all! But I will say just because you are 23 doesn't mean you don't know a thing or two.....nor does it mean you don't have good taste in music for example...... - -Monika, 22 years old ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:08:40 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni's influence on you? I was just wondering if any of you have ever gotten into something or tried something simply because Joni has? I don't mean this in a creepy-pulling a single white female-dressing like her-imitating her-way but in a positive light. The people we know influence us all the time but in my case, people I am interested in (whether it be because of their music or writing or work or whatever) have an even greater influence over me. For example, I have read a a few books that Joni has mentioned reading just because she said she enjoyed them. See? Harmless enough! In addition, I plan on buying a dulcimer in the near future and taking up that instrument. I do love all stringed instruments that you can pick or strum that are not a bass. I've also tried a couple of her guitar tunings which previously were unfamiliar and even unknown to me. Oh, I will admit to something else as well. In some certain, shakey situations I suppose I'll call them, I have thought in my head, "what would Joni do?" Of course I don't know her personally (unfortunately) but can only imagine the outcome based on what I have read about her and based on what she herself says. So have you been influenced by Joni in your own personal life? - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:23:52 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Shine lyric of the day....(or the next couple of days) Since "Shine" is getting nearer and nearer I've decided to take the liberty and post a "Shine lyric of the day or time" (depending on how often I post them!) that is relevant to what we experience in our daily lives or see in the world. Ah it's all for fun and in anticipation of the album! "Strong and wrong What is God's will? Onward Christian soldiers... Or thou shall not kill... Men love war! Is that what God is for?" - -Joni Mitchell - -monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's influence on you? > So have you been influenced by Joni in your own > personal life? It was really because of Joni that I got into playing the guitar. I had started learning to play before, because my parents bought us kids a guitar one Christmas that we were to share. Everyone else lost interest after a while and it became mine, all mine. But it was hearing Joni that got me really into it. And I did buy a dulcimer earlier this year, with the help of Chuck E who discovered it at a local music store where he lives. I think I might have a hard time even finding one around here. And I got back into piano playing within the last year, probably partly because of Joni, not that I play it terribly well, but it's an electronic keyboard and you can plug in headphones and play without bothering anyone even late at night. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:44:41 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni's influence on you? Hi Monika, Joni has definitely influenced my life. She has opened my eyes, ears and mind to many things over the years. The paintings of Georgia O'Keefe and Vincent Van Gogh are among the things that Joni made me take a good look at. I bought a Lambert, Hendricks and Ross album mostly because of Joni - 'Twisted' and 'Centerpiece' and reading that they were among Joni's favorites in her younger years. She got me to do some exploring of jazz which is probably partially responsible for the love I developed for Billie Holiday's recordings. Not to mention everything I have picked up or been turned on to because of people on the JMDL. And of course the relationships with the people on the JMDL. All because of Joni. It all comes down to Joni! ;-) Mark E. in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Joni's influence on you? > So have you been influenced by Joni in your own personal life? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:58:40 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: a diamond snake around my arm.... I watched an old film version of Oscar Wilde's 'An Ideal Husband' that I tivoed from Turner Classic Movies. This is not the more recent film that starred Cate Blanchett, Julianne Moore and Jeremy Northam. This is an older version that featured Michael Wilding (Elizabeth Taylor's 2nd husband) and a very young Glynnis Johns. Anyway, there is a piece of jewelry in this movie that figures into the plot. It is described as a diamond broach but it turns out that it also doubles as a bracelet. And the form or this broach/bracelet is a diamond snake. I wonder if Joni ever saw this movie? I always wondered what made her choose that particular image in the final verse of 'Song for Sharon'. Mark E. in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:53:38 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery Okay, for what it's worth: pedantic hasn't got anything to do with child abuse, it means particular. When somebody is pedantic, she is very particular about whatever she is doing. Isn't that our Joni? And Monika, you are so right, age is not per se a mark of ignorance or bad taste! Marion, with a dictionary nearby - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bryan Skickat: den 10 september 2007 03:08 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery The official amazon.com review of Shine is lukewarm (whatever...) and includes a claim that Joni is practicing "pedantic effrontery" in some of the album's lesser songs. I am stunned. If I had known the woman has been abusing children all these years, I would have ditched her long ago. But seriously, how can we take a review seriously with such pretentious language? Furthermore, the "Jason" who wrote the review is probably all of 23 years old. Curmudgeonly, Bryan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #276 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)