From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #273 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 7 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 273 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hello [Mark-Leon Thorne ] SV: Hello ["Marion Leffler" ] Hana & some more ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Back to the Garden (or something like that....) [Cindy Vickery ] Re: Back to the Garden (or something like that....) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Hana & some more ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: Back to the Garden (or something like that....) [Michael Paz ] Re: Hana & some more [Em ] Welcome!!! [Peep Richman ] Re: Hana & some more ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Hana & some more [Catherine McKay ] Coming Soon to Starbucks [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Blue On Blue [motitan@aol.com] Re: Hana & some more [motitan@aol.com] RE: Hana & some more ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:23:54 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Hello Hi Jonathan. Welcome to the list. Just about one representative from all of the western European countries now. That's cool. I am one of a very small handful from Australia (New Holland) :-) Enjoy the list and stay tuned for offerings of recordings or just ask. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:23:52 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Hello Hello Jonathan, and a warm welcome to you! Yet another European in the community! (Don't get me wrong, all you wonderful Americans, Australians, Canadians - and you know there may be more - I love you all but I used to feel quite isolated in my part of the world, with all of you so far away. That's why I'm always so thrilled to see other Europeans on the list). Marion in Sweden - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Jonathan Lowe Skickat: den 6 september 2007 01:01 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Hello After subscribing to the list a few months ago, but not posting until now, I just wanted to come out of lurkdom to say "Hi" and to send my appreciation to all of you for the information about Joni I have picked up here. I was amazed and delighted to find this wonderful community of people still interested in Joni and loving her music despite the lack of new material in recent years. I came along hoping to find information about where I might be able to get rare or live tracks...and then within days of subscribing...the release of Shine was announced, so my thirst for something new will finally be quenched. I've been a fan for 25 years, and I am so looking forward to hearing the new record and getting to love it gradually, the way it happened with each Joni record I bought, so long ago... Thanks, Jonathan Lowe [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:17:51 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Hana & some more Did you notice this beautiful text? Hana [image: Printer-friendly version of this lyric] by Joni Mitchell Hana steps out of a storm Into a stranger's warm, but Hard-up kitchen. She sees what must be done So she takes off her coat Rolls up her sleeves And starts pitchin' in. *Hana has a special knack For getting people back on the right track 'Cause she knows They all matter So she doesn't argue or flatter *She doesn't fight the slights She takes it on the chin Like a champ *Hana says when life's a drag Don't cave in Don't put up a white flag Raise up A white banner In this manner- Straighten your back Dig in your heals And get a good grip on your grief!* Hana says, "Don't get me wrong This is no simple Sunday song Where God or Jesus comes along And they save ya." You've got to be braver than that You tackle the beast alone With all its tenacious teeth! Light the lamp. Hmmm. Can't wait to hear this. I should have leiked to meet this Hana, she seems like a very wise person. Sometimes I attend services at a very special church in Oslo. It's called Kirkens bymisjon, Toyenkikren. What is special is that it gathers all kinds of persons from famous Liv Ullman to the drugaddict on the street. And I think we all feel welcome there. What I like most about this church is that it is a place just to sit down and relax. None will bring a mission to you, I'm welcome - as I am. Coming there is like coming to Hana. And coming there and meeting othere, both those who have been fortunate and those who has'nt always makes me grateful, becaus it is no us - and them, it is we... And that is maybe my on line qutation review of all Joni Mitchells arts & music: It is we...(And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.....) And as Tom Waits sings, I'm a raindog too. For me that's such a good expression and symbol of what humanity is all about... Some thoughts from Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:50:53 -0500 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: Back to the Garden (or something like that....) Hi all! Like a bad penny, I've turned up again. I left the Jonilist about 2 years ago, maybe - too much to do, and too much crazy going on - but I missed you all! Bob, it's at least partially your fault I'm back, I suppose - I've driven past Greenville several times in the last few months, and wished each time that I still had your phone number, but alas... (or, perhaps, for you, fortunately) I do not. I've moved from Alabama to Whippany NJ, and have traveled back and forth too many times, but Margaret and I are getting settled in up here now, and I look forward to reconnecting with those of you who remain (I saw Lama and Em and Oddmund in my mailbox this morning! Yay!) and meeting those of you who appeared in my absence. So - Shine. Excellent. And an art exhibit - and right in time, since the new digs are only about an hour away from Manhattan. (I have a still-unclaimed sleeper sofa, Suze, waiting on the word from you.) What else did I miss? Hugs to you all - Cindy (PS: Paz, what's going on with your hair? And did you realize that people in NJ don't know what a crawfish is??) _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:47:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hana & some more - --- Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > Did you notice this beautiful text? > by Joni Mitchell Hana steps out of a storm > Into a stranger's warm, but > Hard-up kitchen. Hey, Oddmund. These lyrics really stood out for me too. It's very grounded, homespun without the cuteness. I particularly liked this, and the way the rhyming of "banner" and "manner" are there in the middle of this verse makes me chuckle for some reason. Hana sounds a bit like Mary Poppins without the spoonful of sugar - a very sensible person with some down-to-earth advice. > Don't put up a white flag > Raise up > A white banner > In this manner- > Straighten your back > Dig in your heals > And get a good grip on your grief!* Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:22:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Back to the Garden (or something like that....) I am delighted to take FULL BLAME for your reappearance, Cindy - great to see you back, although I can't envision you as a Jersey Girl yet, in time perhaps. What did you miss? Lots of great conversation, a really fun Jonifest, and LOTS of Joni covers. Bob NP: Ben Folds, "Late" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:27:45 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Re: Hana & some more Hana sounds a bit like Mary Poppins without the spoonful of sugar - a very sensible person with some down-to-earth advice. yes, just what I found too Catherine ! But you put it just perfect! Thanks ! :-) Oddmund On 9/6/07, Catherine McKay wrote: > > > --- Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > > > Did you notice this beautiful text? > > > by Joni Mitchell Hana steps out of a storm > > Into a stranger's warm, but > > Hard-up kitchen. > > Hey, Oddmund. These lyrics really stood out for me > too. It's very grounded, homespun without the > cuteness. > > I particularly liked this, and the way the rhyming of > "banner" and "manner" are there in the middle of this > verse makes me chuckle for some reason. > > Don't put up a white flag > > Raise up > > A white banner > > In this manner- > > Straighten your back > > Dig in your heals > > And get a good grip on your grief!* > > > Catherine > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email > the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at > http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:23:28 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Back to the Garden (or something like that....) What about my hair beeacth? Welcome back girl. The band and myself will be up your way soon so keep an eye on the website and come hang out with us. NEW JERSEY????? Holy..... Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Cindy Vickery wrote: Hi all! Like a bad penny, I've turned up again. I left the Jonilist about 2 years ago, maybe - too much to do, and too much crazy going on - but I missed you all! Bob, it's at least partially your fault I'm back, I suppose - I've driven past Greenville several times in the last few months, and wished each time that I still had your phone number, but alas... (or, perhaps, for you, fortunately) I do not. I've moved from Alabama to Whippany NJ, and have traveled back and forth too many times, but Margaret and I are getting settled in up here now, and I look forward to reconnecting with those of you who remain (I saw Lama and Em and Oddmund in my mailbox this morning! Yay!) and meeting those of you who appeared in my absence. So - Shine. Excellent. And an art exhibit - and right in time, since the new digs are only about an hour away from Manhattan. (I have a still-unclaimed sleeper sofa, Suze, waiting on the word from you.) What else did I miss? Hugs to you all - Cindy (PS: Paz, what's going on with your hair? And did you realize that people in NJ don't know what a crawfish is??) _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:38:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Hana & some more Thanks for posting that, Oddmund - I like the lyrics a lot on that one as well. Matter of fact, I think this album is lyrically very strong from start to finish. Of course it's not the philosophical metaphor of Hejira or the cryptic depth of HOSL, but so what? To anyone who would challenge the quality of Joni's writing on this album, I would direct them to study the lyrics on the "Blue" album. For the most part they are simple and straightforward, sometimes whimsical, sometimes dark. And that's what Joni's giving us on "Shine". So let's 'accuse' her of trying to repeat "Blue"...is that a crime? Instead of focusing on relationships between people, she's examining relationships between cultures, countries, religions. It seems to be a logical pattern of growth that one would have from their 30's to their 60's. What I fear is that reviewers will focus on the political songs and ignore the others and talk about how Joni has shifted from merely being angry with the music business to being angry at the world, and I don't think that's the case at all. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Potter's Field" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:54:14 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Re: Hana & some more Very intersting Bob ! And I think you're right. It's easy to try to distance onself from what an artist is trying to say, just by saying "Oh, that's the old Joni, now shes's angry on the world. Wonder what's next" I find Joni a very brave person, and it's always very inspiring that she follows up what's on her herat and her lips. If I only could do that. Or if only any of those cold critics (that surely will show up) could do that, than I'm sure the world would turn out to be a warmer place to be... But unforunately we cant't, and that "can't" sometimes ends up in unfair judgement, as you sketched here. We'll just wait and see. I guess we're more excited than Joni. She has been abondoned from the critics you refer to, almost since she relased "Blue" so I'm sure she will be shocked to get anything, but a cold shoulder from those... Anyways I'm so happy that she doesn't make fear of others judgement stop her doing what she love, and what she feels she has to do. We are many, both critics, and musicians, and just musiclovers, who love what Joni has done all the years, not least what she did after "Blue" I listened to "Dog eat dog" yesterday, and I'm still amazed of the energy she puts into it. It so vivid, so alive and it has such a strong political content, not at all gone out of fashion or relevance...We love Joni, and I hope the fact that "Shine" is being released, will get more people to discover the wonderful and multitalented and brilliant artist Joni Mitchell is. Queen of Mind beauty, undoubtly ! Best ! Oddmund, Norway On 9/6/07, Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > > > Thanks for posting that, Oddmund - I like the lyrics a lot on that one as > well. Matter of fact, I think this album is lyrically very strong from start > to finish. Of course it's not the philosophical metaphor of Hejira or the > cryptic depth of HOSL, but so what? > > To anyone who would challenge the quality of Joni's writing on this album, > I would direct them to study the lyrics on the "Blue" album. For the most > part they are simple and straightforward, sometimes whimsical, sometimes > dark. And that's what Joni's giving us on "Shine". So let's 'accuse' her of > trying to repeat "Blue"...is that a crime? Instead of focusing on > relationships between people, she's examining relationships between > cultures, countries, religions. It seems to be a logical pattern of growth > that one would have from their 30's to their 60's. > > What I fear is that reviewers will focus on the political songs and ignore > the others and talk about how Joni has shifted from merely being angry with > the music business to being angry at the world, and I don't think that's the > case at all. > > Bob > > NP: Tom Waits, "Potter's Field" > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Hana & some more hey, brutalize me with Blue!!!!! I'll come up screamin' for more. whap! :) She's probably not angry with the world, but she might be weary of it.... It really does suck one's soul out watching the news sometimes. Like the ancient Egyptians used to pull out dead people's brains through their nose for entombment. or sucking up a raw oyster. ...slurp.... and sometimes they're two-biters and you're like "YUCK"!!!!!!! its too much!!!!!!!! too much oyster for one bite! too much news for one sensitive brain!!!! :P Em - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > So let's 'accuse' > her > of trying to repeat "Blue"...is that a crime? Instead of focusing on > relationships between people, she's examining relationships between > cultures, countries, religions. It seems to be a logical pattern of > growth > that one would have from their 30's to their 60's. > > What I fear is that reviewers will focus on the political songs and > ignore > the others and talk about how Joni has shifted from merely being > angry > with the music business to being angry at the world, and I don't > think > that's the case at all. > > Bob > > NP: Tom Waits, "Potter's Field" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Welcome!!! Hi Jonilistas! Here's a hearty welcome to Mark from NYC and to Jonathan from Holland!!! I've been a Digest member for about two years and can share with you that all the people on the Digest List are so very special....what we all have in common, of course, is our love for Joni. We also write about many other musicians and subjects and we all seem to be cool with agreeing to disagree. Remember, a few Digests ago when we were talking about who Harry might be? Someone on the Digest (sorry, I forget who and apologize) wrote about Joni's disdain for a particular type of woman. I agree. In "Last Chance Lost", Joni wrote "The shrew will not be tamed"....I think this also pertains to Joni's feelings about some women. I also share what I think Joni might be referring to about this specific type of woman. Self-centered, demanding, "credit card eyes", narcissistic, living in their own private world without interest in our planet and what is happening in our world at any given time....I can think of many other personality traits to list but I think you have my drift. Thanks to everyone who told us about where to buy "Shine" at such a reasonable price!!! CAN'T WAIT!!!!!! That's about it for now. Love to all, Bo - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:14:47 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Hana & some more I'm with Em. There's plenty to be angry about. I don't even know if I have the grace Joni calls for in "This Place": Spirit of the water Give us all the courage and the grace To make genius of this tragedy unfolding The genius to save this place. That's hopeful. So might be the enigmatic "Bad dreams are good in the great plan." I think "Strong and Wrong" might be too polemical and not poetical enough. But "Shine" works well, indeed--I love those lyrics best of all. Nothing can redeem Kipling's wretched poem "If" for me. I'm not entirely anti-Kipling: Kim is a masterpiece as are The Jungle Books, Just So Stories and a number of short stories for adults. But "If" is spoken entirely by Kipling's inner Polonius. Quoting Em : > hey, brutalize me with Blue!!!!! > I'll come up screamin' for more. > whap! > :) > She's probably not angry with the world, but she might be weary of > it.... > It really does suck one's soul out watching the news sometimes. Like > the ancient Egyptians used to pull out dead people's brains through > their nose for entombment. > or sucking up a raw oyster. > ...slurp.... > and sometimes they're two-biters and you're like "YUCK"!!!!!!! its too > much!!!!!!!! too much oyster for one bite! too much news for one > sensitive brain!!!! > :P > Em > > --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> So let's 'accuse' >> her >> of trying to repeat "Blue"...is that a crime? Instead of focusing on >> relationships between people, she's examining relationships between >> cultures, countries, religions. It seems to be a logical pattern of >> growth >> that one would have from their 30's to their 60's. >> >> What I fear is that reviewers will focus on the political songs and >> ignore >> the others and talk about how Joni has shifted from merely being >> angry >> with the music business to being angry at the world, and I don't >> think >> that's the case at all. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Tom Waits, "Potter's Field" >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:46:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hana & some more - --- Em wrote: > hey, brutalize me with Blue!!!!! > I'll come up screamin' for more. > whap! > :) > She's probably not angry with the world, but she > might be weary of > it.... > It really does suck one's soul out watching the news > sometimes. Like > the ancient Egyptians used to pull out dead people's > brains through > their nose for entombment. > or sucking up a raw oyster. > ...slurp.... > and sometimes they're two-biters and you're like > "YUCK"!!!!!!! its too > much!!!!!!!! too much oyster for one bite! too much > news for one > sensitive brain!!!! > :P > Em Em, you crack me up. You really have a way with words. I know exactly what you're talking about! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:04:52 -0400 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Coming Soon to Starbucks Download Joni wirelessly to your iphone - --------------------------------------- Sip. Buy. Repeat. - ----------------- If you’re in a participating Starbucks, the iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store on iPhone will have even more to offer. Tap the Starbucks button to find out what song is playing in the cafi, then buy it instantly. You can browse Starbucks playlists to discover new music while waiting for your mocha. Access the millions of songs available in the iTunes Store. No connection fee or login is required. Shine on! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:37:46 -0400 From: motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue On Blue 's also a big thrill to hear a cover of one of these; back in the 60's The Foggy Dew-O recorded "Born To Take The Highway", Fairport Convention recorded "Eastern Rain", The Ian Campbell Group recorded "Dr. Junk" and recently Henning Olsen/Big Yellow Taxi have been resurrecting some of these as well. You can check out the CD here: ? http://cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi4 ? (The unreleased songs are the 1st three). This CD is well worth owning. - ----------------------------------------------------- ? Thanks for the link!? I really do appreciate it and will check it out here at work.? I do enjoy Joni's early, early work.? It's incredible that she got into those different tunings so early on in her guitar playing.? I mean, she had only been playing a few years and already was composing songs, exploring new tunings, etc etc.? You really get a feel for her influences at that time.? I do think her writing got stronger in general--both musically and lyrically (that is inevitable with time!).? It's all so incredible to see the base of where it all started though and to hear these songs that other writers would have killed to write later on in their career let alone at the start of their career.? - -Monika, working the graveyard yard shift (12AM-6AM) at the station... Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:45:23 -0400 From: motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Hana & some more What I fear is that reviewers will focus on the political songs and ignore the others and talk about how Joni has shifted from merely being angry with the music business to being angry at the world, and I don't think that's the case at all. Bob - ------------------------------ ??? You bring up a good point here.? That is the risk with putting out material with even a touch of political awareness let alone an album of it.? Often just because it is political, the musicality of it all will come second if even at all.? The political core will be in the spotlight and not usually in the way the artist (in this case Joni) would want it.? Some people (critics and others alike) could be turned off right off by hearing this political voice because it may not be what he/she believes.? Politics and music are funny that way.? We listen to?songs all the time that we may not necessarily "believe" in or experience ourselves but we're ok with it.??If the tune is good, the tune is good.? I mean I listen to male artists all the time going on about some girl they love or want to be with and surely I can't relate to that because I'm not a man.? People listen to things like that all the time and don't mind.? But as soon as something political comes around that you don't believe, let's bring out the?hammers and the nails and forget about the entire song.? No artist forces you to?change your opinion.? Surely Joni doesn't force you to believe?what she believes.? She simply pours her own heart out and if you can dig it, excellent.? If you can't, so be it.? Take it or leave it.? I admire Joni for always doing that in her work.?? - -Monika? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:28:26 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Hana & some more Em wrote: > hey, brutalize me with Blue!!!!! > I'll come up screamin' for more. > whap! > :) > She's probably not angry with the world, but she might be weary of > it.... Remember what Joni said... "I sing my sorrow, and I paint my joy." Seems pretty evident in some of the Shine lyrics, IMO. Hell ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #273 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)