From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #266 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, August 31 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 266 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- More snippets of Hancock's River ["vincenzo mancini" ] SV: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #339 [Peep Richman ] Harry and Joni popularity [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Harry and Joni popularity [Motitan@aol.com] SV: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig ["Marion Leffler" ] SV: Harry and Joni popularity ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Harry and Joni popularity ["anon anon" ] Judy Collins - SJC [Jerry Notaro ] Let's hear it for Miss SC, now students liking Joni ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Harry and Joni popularity [Em ] Re: Joni Remixed [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Harry and Joni popularity [Bob Muller ] RE: Harry and Joni popularity ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Judy Collins - SJC ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Harry and Joni popularity [ajfashion@att.net] Coupla links [Bob Muller ] Fwd: Harry, the one with the house [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Harry and Joni popularity ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Harry and Joni popularity ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:11:34 +0000 From: "vincenzo mancini" Subject: More snippets of Hancock's River Besides to Hancock's BSN (thanks Bob!), snippets of Edith (Tina Turner), Solitude (no JM vocals yet !!!!!!!) and River (Corinne Bailey Rae) can be found at: http://myspace.com/herbiehancock (again, Bob needs to be thanked for the bait...) Vincenzo Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: A write-up on the Herbie Hancock CD plus a stream of his cover of BSN can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/32rm2m Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig But it wasn't "Harry's House", it was "Hissing of Summer Lawns" ('Diamond Dog, carrying a cup and a cane"...etc, etc.) Bob - --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:01:56 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig Oh, and when I say "average white male" present company is excluded, of course:-) Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bob Muller Skickat: den 30 augusti 2007 12:15 Till: Lindsay Moon; 'Dave Blackburn'; joni list Dmne: Re: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig But it wasn't "Harry's House", it was "Hissing of Summer Lawns" ('Diamond Dog, carrying a cup and a cane"...etc, etc.) Bob - --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:59:59 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig That would make more sense to me, I can't see Josi Feliciano as Harry. In my mind, Harry is a white, middle-class businessman longing for the comfort of a nice, loving housewife at home, kids to play with every now and then, homecooked meals etc, you get the picture. Somebody mentioned Chuck and maybe that's what Chuck was like, who knows? Anyhow, I think Joni's Harry fits the average white male in general so he is a type rather than any specific person. Again, my guesses. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bob Muller Skickat: den 30 augusti 2007 12:15 Till: Lindsay Moon; 'Dave Blackburn'; joni list Dmne: Re: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig But it wasn't "Harry's House", it was "Hissing of Summer Lawns" ('Diamond Dog, carrying a cup and a cane"...etc, etc.) Bob - --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:22:01 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: More snippets of Hancock's River Joni's contribution is new version of "The Tea Leaf Prophecy": http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=1612 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of vincenzo mancini Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:12 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: More snippets of Hancock's River Besides to Hancock's BSN (thanks Bob!), snippets of Edith (Tina Turner), Solitude (no JM vocals yet !!!!!!!) and River (Corinne Bailey Rae) can be found at: http://myspace.com/herbiehancock (again, Bob needs to be thanked for the bait...) Vincenzo Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: A write-up on the Herbie Hancock CD plus a stream of his cover of BSN can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/32rm2m Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:36:15 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: RE: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig Oh, heck. You're right. Sorry, too quick to jump in. I guess this is how rumors get started ... Lindsay _____ From: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:15 AM To: Lindsay Moon; 'Dave Blackburn'; joni list Subject: Re: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig But it wasn't "Harry's House", it was "Hissing of Summer Lawns" ('Diamond Dog, carrying a cup and a cane"...etc, etc.) Bob _____ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #339 Hello to all! Welcome Carl...glad you decided to post. I look forward to any of your future posts. This has bothered me ever since I've been an active JMDLer. Sometimes it seems to me that almost everyone is a musician or singer. I feel you share something I'll never quite understand or feel because, even though I LOVE to sing, I'm not a musician. Just wanted to tell you this...obviously it's been haunting me. Well, it's NEVER too late...and it's up to me to do something about it!!! Right??? Paz, you have been in my thoughts more often than you'll ever imagine over the last two years and particularly during the last few weeks. I'm not going to go on and on and on about how I feel about the "leadership" of our magnificent country. Is there anything...something I can personally do to contribute to helping "even" two years later. My finances...I eat a lot of oatmeal and eggs. But there must be something I can do...something personal. Please think about it and let me know. Pamela, your English is fabulous...don't worry a bit about it!!! I have Joni covers and can send you her Cd's...let me know. I can also make you a copy of some of her DVDs!!!!! Be safe this holiday weekend...for the US Listers. Love comes with this posting to everyone. Bo - --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:39:52 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Harry and Joni popularity Thanks for the responses regarding "who was Harry?" It is clear that Harry represents a type of dull middle class business/corporate stereotype ("battalions of paper minded males") with identical suburban homes decorated in the mode du jour ("yellow checkers for the kitchen, climbing ivy for the bath, she is lost in House and Garden, he's caught up in chief of staff") and there is a longing for the past ("he drifts off to the memory of the way she looked in school" and the whole dream sequence of Centerpiece). In true Joni fashion the irony runs thick and the shallowness of this whole lifestyle is revealed ("beauty parlor blondes with credit card eyes looking for the chic and the fancy to buy" and "while at home their paper wives and their paper kids, paper their walls to keep their gut reactions hid.) And then, snapping out of the reverie we come starkly back to reality ending with bitchiness ("to tell him like she did today, just what he could do with Harry's House and Harry's take home pay.") Interesting how absolutely nothing has changed in the 32 years since the song was written; L.A is even more like this song now than it was in 1975 (plastic surgery would have merited a zinger verse if the song were written today). I was just curious, since Joni chose a name for her stereotype, if it might have been inspired by someone in particular, but we'll probably never know, and it probably wouldn't elucidate the meaning if we did know. Patti, Monika et al have been mentioning the rarity of finding people who know Joni's work. From my angle, as a performer of Joni's music, I can tell you that the crowds that come out to hear our show are always to capacity and always crazy about the music. Perhaps we are turning some new people on to her music but there are always lots of people out there mouthing the words to the songs which reveals something. The age spread in the audiences is also vast. So they are definitely out there, at least in our corner of the world, and I imagine elsewhere too. As a performer for over 30 years this Joni show has been the most successful thing I've ever done and what's cool is the music is so interesting we never get tired of playing it. cheers all, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:21:34 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig In a message dated 8/30/2007 10:37:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, moonlj@san.rr.com writes: - -------------------------------------------------- Hmm. Who is Jose Feliciano? - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:29:37 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry and Joni popularity In a message dated 8/30/2007 11:19:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, beatntrack@sbcglobal.net writes: Patti, Monika et al have been mentioning the rarity of finding people who know Joni's work. From my angle, as a performer of Joni's music, I can tell you that the crowds that come out to hear our show are always to capacity and always crazy about the music. Perhaps we are turning some new people on to her music but there are always lots of people out there mouthing the words to the songs which reveals something. The age spread in the audiences is also vast. So they are definitely out there, at least in our corner of the world, and I imagine elsewhere too. As a performer for over 30 years this Joni show has been the most successful thing I've ever done and what's cool is the music is so interesting we never get tired of playing it. - ------------------------------------------------------- I am very glad to hear that you are getting a good crowd and a crowd that is more than familiar with Joni's work. I'm also glad you are performing this Joni show and enjoying yourself. I always think the most important thing in music is to enjoy yourself. Everything else comes second and third and so on.... Kudos to you! - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:08:27 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig Oh Monika, you young thing! Feliciano is well-known to us older dears...He was a popular singer/musician/songwriter within a latin tradition in the sixties (...to a latin drum and the hissing of summer lawns...). Wellknown songs are Felice Navidad and Listen to the pouring rain. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Motitan@aol.com Skickat: den 30 augusti 2007 17:22 Till: moonlj@san.rr.com; scjoniguy@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Who was Harry & Idyllwild Gig In a message dated 8/30/2007 10:37:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, moonlj@san.rr.com writes: - -------------------------------------------------- Hmm. Who is Jose Feliciano? - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:11:41 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Harry and Joni popularity - -------------- Original message from Dave Blackburn : -------------- > Thanks for the responses regarding "who was Harry?" > > It is clear that Harry represents a type of dull middle class > business/corporate stereotype ("battalions of paper minded males") > with identical suburban homes decorated in the mode du jour ("yellow > checkers for the kitchen, climbing ivy for the bath, she is lost in > House and Garden, he's caught up in chief of staff") and there is a > longing for the past ("he drifts off to the memory of the way she > looked in school" and the whole dream sequence of Centerpiece). [snip] I think everything you write is dead-on, but I also sense empathy from Mitchell for Harry, and also have always felt a small and ineffable sense of how he could be attractive. Perhaps because I've known men, especially back when I heard this song for the first time, when it came out, who were in some ways like Harry, and felt trapped in the lives they had in some ways created but in other ways were just stuck in. I feel like I know Harry, and while I completely feel in the marrow of my bones the singer's telling him just what he can do with his take-home pay, I also feel his sadness. This is, IMO, one of the most brilliant songs of the entire Mitchell ouevre. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:09:09 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Harry and Joni popularity - -------------- Original message from Dave Blackburn : -------------- > Thanks for the responses regarding "who was Harry?" > > It is clear that Harry represents a type of dull middle class > business/corporate stereotype ("battalions of paper minded males") > with identical suburban homes decorated in the mode du jour ("yellow > checkers for the kitchen, climbing ivy for the bath, she is lost in > House and Garden, he's caught up in chief of staff") and there is a > longing for the past ("he drifts off to the memory of the way she > looked in school" and the whole dream sequence of Centerpiece). [snip] I think everything you write is dead-on, but I also sense empathy from Mitchell for Harry, and also have always felt a small and ineffable sense of how he could be attractive. Perhaps because I've known men, especially back when I heard this song for the first time, when it came out, who were in some ways like Harry, and felt trapped in the lives they had in some ways created but in other ways were just stuck in. I feel like I know Harry, and while I completely feel in the marrow of my bones the singer's telling him just what he can do with his take-home pay, I also feel his sadness. This is, IMO, one of the most brilliant songs of the entire Mitchell ouevre. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:46:33 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Harry and Joni popularity I feel the same way about the song. I sense empathy from Joni for Harry, even a little bias in his favour. We get to know about his life and his feelings on several levels whereas his wife appears one-dimensional. Her hopes and dreams and disappointments are hidden, they have all just turned into dissatisfaction. Harry, on the other hand, can still picture her "the way she looked in school, with her body oiled and shining at the public swimming pool", and the future they dreamed up then. Maybe that's what makes him attractive in a way, his holding on to a hopeless dream while trying to fit into the role of provider and a life not entirely of his own design? Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr ajfashion@att.net Skickat: den 30 augusti 2007 18:12 Till: Dave Blackburn; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Harry and Joni popularity - -------------- Original message from Dave Blackburn : -------------- - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:04:23 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Harry and Joni popularity Maybe she chose to call him Harry because of the saying "Every Tom, Dick and Harry"? Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Dave Blackburn Skickat: den 30 augusti 2007 16:40 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Harry and Joni popularity Thanks for the responses regarding "who was Harry?" It is clear that Harry represents a type of dull middle class business/corporate stereotype ("battalions of paper minded males") with identical suburban homes decorated in the mode du jour ("yellow checkers for the kitchen, climbing ivy for the bath, she is lost in House and Garden, he's caught up in chief of staff") and there is a longing for the past ("he drifts off to the memory of the way she looked in school" and the whole dream sequence of Centerpiece). In true Joni fashion the irony runs thick and the shallowness of this whole lifestyle is revealed ("beauty parlor blondes with credit card eyes looking for the chic and the fancy to buy" and "while at home their paper wives and their paper kids, paper their walls to keep their gut reactions hid.) And then, snapping out of the reverie we come starkly back to reality ending with bitchiness ("to tell him like she did today, just what he could do with Harry's House and Harry's take home pay.") Interesting how absolutely nothing has changed in the 32 years since the song was written; L.A is even more like this song now than it was in 1975 (plastic surgery would have merited a zinger verse if the song were written today). I was just curious, since Joni chose a name for her stereotype, if it might have been inspired by someone in particular, but we'll probably never know, and it probably wouldn't elucidate the meaning if we did know. Patti, Monika et al have been mentioning the rarity of finding people who know Joni's work. From my angle, as a performer of Joni's music, I can tell you that the crowds that come out to hear our show are always to capacity and always crazy about the music. Perhaps we are turning some new people on to her music but there are always lots of people out there mouthing the words to the songs which reveals something. The age spread in the audiences is also vast. So they are definitely out there, at least in our corner of the world, and I imagine elsewhere too. As a performer for over 30 years this Joni show has been the most successful thing I've ever done and what's cool is the music is so interesting we never get tired of playing it. cheers all, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:33:23 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Harry and Joni popularity >From: ajfashion@att.net >Reply-To: ajfashion@att.net >To: Dave Blackburn , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Harry and Joni popularity >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:11:41 +0000 > >-------------- Original message from Dave Blackburn >: -------------- > > > > Thanks for the responses regarding "who was Harry?" > > > > It is clear that Harry represents a type of dull middle class > > business/corporate stereotype ("battalions of paper minded males") > > with identical suburban homes decorated in the mode du jour ("yellow > > checkers for the kitchen, climbing ivy for the bath, she is lost in > > House and Garden, he's caught up in chief of staff") and there is a > > longing for the past ("he drifts off to the memory of the way she > > looked in school" and the whole dream sequence of Centerpiece). >[snip] > >I think everything you write is dead-on, but I also sense empathy >from Mitchell for Harry, and also have always felt a small >and ineffable sense of how he could be attractive. Perhaps >because I've known men, especially back when I heard this >song for the first time, when it came out, who were in some ways >like Harry, and felt trapped in the lives they had in some ways created >but in other ways were just stuck in. > >I feel like I know Harry, and while I completely feel in the >marrow of my bones the singer's telling him just what he >can do with his take-home pay, I also feel his sadness. > >This is, IMO, one of the most brilliant songs of the entire >Mitchell ouevre. > >--AJ this song should have been used in the movie "American beauty"... the whole album would have been a good soundtrack to that movie, but paticularly thsi song... _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:12:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Judy Collins - SJC Judy - Still Looking At Life's Sides August 30, 2007 Chicago - Folk singer Judy Collins' career spans five decades. "I'm beginning to get the hang of it," said Collins, 66. "I'm always learning." Collins, of course, came to fame with a cover version of Joni Mitchell's "Both Sides Now," which hit the charts in 1968. She was the inspiration behind the Crosby, Stills and Nash song "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes." And her debut album, "A Maid of Constant Sorrow," was released in 1961 when she was living in Chicago and playing the folk scene here at clubs that included the legendary Gate of Horn. She will be back in the area to perform with Dar Williams and Sonya Kitchell on Sept. 7 at Ravinia in Highland Park -- where the trains that run along the park's edge typically show up during the somber "Send in the Clowns," she said with a laugh. Distractions or not, performing is still what she loves to do. "As someone once put it," she said, "I get paid for the travel. The singing I do for free." Turbulent times Among her more surreal Windy City memories was being called as a witness at the Chicago Seven trial of those charged with mayhem related to the protests and battles with police that rocked the 1968 Democratic National Convention. Collins had sung at a gathering of the Yippies, one of the main groups behind the antiwar protests, at a meeting in New York prior to the convention. On the stand she was asked to recall what happened at that gathering. Then, when asked what she did at the meeting, she began to sing "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" which is what she had done there. "I remember the (courtroom) guard putting his hand over my mouth," said Collins. Collins' career is filled with such colorful moments, but some of the shades are darker ones. Her life story has included battles with alcoholism, bulimia, depression and the suicide of her son in 1992. Following her son's death, she penned "Sanity and Grace," a book published in 2003. In June, she released her follow-up volume, "The Seven T's," (truth, therapy, trust, try, treat, treasure, and thrive) which offers practical advice for getting through, doing the best you can with the help of art, work, beliefs, and friendships. "Everybody has a different way to get through," said Collins. Collins also runs her own music label, Wildflower, out of her New York home. On that imprint are Collins' album of songs penned by John Lennon and Paul McCartney, which was released in June. Also due out this year is a tribute album of covers of her songs by artists including Chrissie Hynde, Dolly Parton, Rufus Wainwright, and old friend Leonard Cohen -- whom she met in Toronto in 1966, and shortly thereafter recorded his "Suzanne," one of her biggest hits. By Mike Danahey, Pioneer Local News THREE GENERATIONS OF WOMEN IN FOLK MUSIC Judy Collins, Dar Williams and Sonya Kitchell in the Pavilion, Ravinia Festival; 8 p.m. Friday, Sept. 7. $40; lawn $15. (847) 266-5100; www.ravinia.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:14:22 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Let's hear it for Miss SC, now students liking Joni >In a message dated 8/28/2007 11:30:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >loveuconn@hotmail.com writes: > >P.S. I'm interviewing potential student office workers, and after I ask >all >the regular questions about schedules and majors and experience, I find >myself asking: "Do you like Joni Mitchell?" > > >---------------------------- > Have you had anybody say yes? >-Monika > A few. But none of them are "like us." Actually, what I ask first is something like: "Do you know who Joni Mitchell is?" or "Have you ever heard of Joni Mitchell?" Here's the rundown: Scott (senior Spanish major, returning student) & Katherine (senior French major, new student to our office) say they really like Joni, but neither one of them has any of her albums or on their iPods. Both say they discovered her in "Love, Actually." Scott, of course, knows a lot more because he worked here last year and picked up a lot of Joni knowledge by osmosis. He did say that he really liked her "smoky, jazzy voice" on BSN. Katherine said that Joni gained "a certain level of popularity with our generation" with the movie. Scott went the extra mile last night and asked his two roommates if they liked Joni. They both said yes, and then they all got to wondering why none of them have any Joni on their iPods. Good question, kiddos! Gotta get down to it! Down to Joni...it all comes down to Joni.....where have all the wildflower childs gone?....when will they ever learn?....(pardonnez-moi, I am porous with first-week-of-classes fever -- everyone calling me up for favors, everyone's future to decide...). Maria, a new freshman (undecided major, maybe international studies and languages), also said she likes her, but then couldn't name any of her songs. (Maybe word is out on campus that you have to like Joni to get a job here....who knows?) Lauren, a senior just back from a year in France, said she knows about Joni because she worked w/ me when she was a sophomore (LOL), her Mom and Dad like her, and she has always liked "folksingers." Then I had two other students: one a new worker here (undecided major), and another whom I will be mentoring all semester (biomedical engineering) (ha! wish me luck with THAT stuff!). They both answered: "No." My eyes bugged out and my mouth flew open and I said: "Never?" "Never", they both replied. They must have really boring parents, dontcha think? Can you imagine, no Joni in your life, EVER? What a sorry face you get to wear! Inchoate, all of the above. Sorry for the sloppiness. Love, Patti P. in Flip City P.S. The good news is that our quick lunch stand is back. Yay! (Proud-headed) Lizzie's Curbside Cuisine. http://www.lizziescurbside.com/ Check out the menu, maybe it will give you some good ideas for dinner if you're in a rut. I know, I know -- she can't spell, but this chick can COOK like you wouldn't believe. I had Italian Wedding Soup today in honor of Pamela! Ciao, babies! _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater&cp=42.358996~-71.056691&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=950607&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:29:37 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Harry again Don't you love how the image of paper runs through the Harry's House lyric (like water in the movie 'Water")? Males are "paper-minded", "Paper wives and their paper kids, paper the walls to keep their gut reactions hid." We generate paper in business to earn paper, we plaster it on our walls to 'hide a nasty stain that's lying there' and we are so shallow that we are even metaphorically made of paper. Damn, she's good that Joan... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Harry and Joni popularity - --- anon anon wrote:> > this song should have been used in the movie "American beauty"... > the > whole album would have been a good soundtrack to that movie, but > paticularly > thsi song... but the Kevin Spacey character was SOOOOOOOOO not that way! In fact, ALLLLLL day today, as you all have been discussing this, I found myself wishing that there had been a sign of even one kinky, interesting thing about Harry. If it had been a Steely Dan song, for some reason I have this feeling I'd be interested in Harry, and his psychology too. He'd have been banging his father's maid or some such. Instead I am left with a portrait of, if not negative space, certainly not very interesting space. The blood in his veins remains remote. Is there a side to Harry implied in the song that I'm missing? I've read the lyrics a couple of times today...but maybe I need to steep in the song and listen to it. But, like lots of HOSL, I'm not even tempted to linger there. Maybe someday I will be locked in a cellar and learn to love it. Wondering what passion caused Joni to write this. Or was it just an exercize in description? Its the kind of art I have to be tied down and drugged to love. But it could happen. Sheesh, you all having spent this much time on it, now I think I must be missing something )always a possibility) Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:54:57 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Remixed I'm not sure how this happened but here is the link to grab the two missing tracks http://arunaurl.com/11m7 Mark in Sydney NP I Had a King - Big Yellow Taxi On 31/08/2007, at 7:36 AM, Jussi Pukkila wrote: > > hi > > thanks for the Joni remix uploads. I noticed two tracks are missing > from the rar's. Can you upload them too? > > tracks 10 & 6 > > thanks, > --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:57:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Harry and Joni popularity Maybe not, Em - the only thing that makes me care about him is this lyric: "He drifts off into the memory Of the way she looked in school With her body oiled and shining At the public swimming pool ..." On one level, it's like OK he was fished in by a pretty girl in a bathing suit, but at least it shows that he is CAPABLE of being passionate about something. I don't think Joni wants us to find sympathy with either of these characters. Both of them kind of get what they deserve. On another note, I almost think that Joni is continuing the thought process she started in "The Arrangement": "You could have been more Than a name on the door On the thirty-third floor in the air More than a credit card Swimming pool in the backyard While you still have the time You could get away and find A better life you know the grind is so ungrateful Racing cars whisky bars No one cares who you really are You're the keeper of the cards Yes I know it gets hard Keeping the wheels turning And the wife she keeps the keys She is so pleased to be A part of the arrangement" Harry probably could have been more too, no? Bob NP: Allison Crowe, "Skeletons & Spirits" - --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:21:26 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Harry and Joni popularity I'd hate to think we couldn't feel something other than contempt for Harry and his centerpiece. AJ said "I feel like I know Harry, and while I completely feel in the marrow of my bones the singer's telling him just what he can do with his take-home pay, I also feel his sadness. This is, IMO, one of the most brilliant songs of the entire Mitchell ouevre." It wouldn't be brilliant if Harry were only a stereotype. I agree with AJ and I also think that without the Lambert Hendricks and Ross interlude "Harry's House" is a lesser composition. My favorite moment is "get down offa there, get down offa there, nothing's any good, nothing's any good" I mean yes, it's not a pretty picture, but it's just complex enough and truly human enough that what could be a clichi becomes a masterpiece. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:58 PM To: Em; anon anon; ajfashion@att.net; beatntrack@sbcglobal.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Harry and Joni popularity Maybe not, Em - the only thing that makes me care about him is this lyric: "He drifts off into the memory Of the way she looked in school With her body oiled and shining At the public swimming pool ..." On one level, it's like OK he was fished in by a pretty girl in a bathing suit, but at least it shows that he is CAPABLE of being passionate about something. I don't think Joni wants us to find sympathy with either of these characters. Both of them kind of get what they deserve. On another note, I almost think that Joni is continuing the thought process she started in "The Arrangement": "You could have been more Than a name on the door On the thirty-third floor in the air More than a credit card Swimming pool in the backyard While you still have the time You could get away and find A better life you know the grind is so ungrateful Racing cars whisky bars No one cares who you really are You're the keeper of the cards Yes I know it gets hard Keeping the wheels turning And the wife she keeps the keys She is so pleased to be A part of the arrangement" Harry probably could have been more too, no? Bob NP: Allison Crowe, "Skeletons & Spirits" - --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:23:33 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Judy Collins - SJC Jerry, Judy was my first love--even before Joni Thanks for this update. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:13 PM To: Joni List Subject: Judy Collins - SJC Judy - Still Looking At Life's Sides August 30, 2007 Chicago - Folk singer Judy Collins' career spans five decades. "I'm beginning to get the hang of it," said Collins, 66. "I'm always learning." Collins, of course, came to fame with a cover version of Joni Mitchell's "Both Sides Now," which hit the charts in 1968. She was the inspiration behind the Crosby, Stills and Nash song "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes." And her debut album, "A Maid of Constant Sorrow," was released in 1961 when she was living in Chicago and playing the folk scene here at clubs that included the legendary Gate of Horn. She will be back in the area to perform with Dar Williams and Sonya Kitchell on Sept. 7 at Ravinia in Highland Park -- where the trains that run along the park's edge typically show up during the somber "Send in the Clowns," she said with a laugh. Distractions or not, performing is still what she loves to do. "As someone once put it," she said, "I get paid for the travel. The singing I do for free." Turbulent times Among her more surreal Windy City memories was being called as a witness at the Chicago Seven trial of those charged with mayhem related to the protests and battles with police that rocked the 1968 Democratic National Convention. Collins had sung at a gathering of the Yippies, one of the main groups behind the antiwar protests, at a meeting in New York prior to the convention. On the stand she was asked to recall what happened at that gathering. Then, when asked what she did at the meeting, she began to sing "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" which is what she had done there. "I remember the (courtroom) guard putting his hand over my mouth," said Collins. Collins' career is filled with such colorful moments, but some of the shades are darker ones. Her life story has included battles with alcoholism, bulimia, depression and the suicide of her son in 1992. Following her son's death, she penned "Sanity and Grace," a book published in 2003. In June, she released her follow-up volume, "The Seven T's," (truth, therapy, trust, try, treat, treasure, and thrive) which offers practical advice for getting through, doing the best you can with the help of art, work, beliefs, and friendships. "Everybody has a different way to get through," said Collins. Collins also runs her own music label, Wildflower, out of her New York home. On that imprint are Collins' album of songs penned by John Lennon and Paul McCartney, which was released in June. Also due out this year is a tribute album of covers of her songs by artists including Chrissie Hynde, Dolly Parton, Rufus Wainwright, and old friend Leonard Cohen -- whom she met in Toronto in 1966, and shortly thereafter recorded his "Suzanne," one of her biggest hits. By Mike Danahey, Pioneer Local News THREE GENERATIONS OF WOMEN IN FOLK MUSIC Judy Collins, Dar Williams and Sonya Kitchell in the Pavilion, Ravinia Festival; 8 p.m. Friday, Sept. 7. $40; lawn $15. (847) 266-5100; www.ravinia.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:34:12 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: RE: Harry and Joni popularity - -------------- Original message from "Richard Flynn" : -------------- > I'd hate to think we couldn't feel something other than contempt for Harry > and his centerpiece. > > >.AJ said "I feel like I know Harry, and while I completely feel in the > >marrow of my bones the singer's telling him just what he > >can do with his take-home pay, I also feel his sadness. > >> This is, IMO, one of the most brilliant songs of the entire > >Mitchell ouevre." > > >It wouldn't be brilliant if Harry were only a stereotype. > > >I agree with AJ and I also think that without the Lambert Hendricks and Ross > interlude "Harry's House" is a lesser composition. > > >My favorite moment is "get down offa there, get down offa there, nothing's > any good, nothing's any good" The way JM sings/says "nothing's any good, nothing's any good" is, for me, one of the great moments in, not just JM's music, but in all music. Hits me in the gut every time I hear it--and I've been listening to it for what? thirty years now. Harry bears some resemblance to the guy in "The Arrangement," although the Harry song is far, far greater and endlessly complex. I guess what I'm saying is I used to think of someone I cared (and still care) very deeply for when I'd listen to The Arrangement, and realize that people--especially mid-century men--often got stuck in lives not entirely of their own making (my friend escaped that life, I'm happy to say, but not without enormous cost). I guess it's another reason JM is so great: that these characters, like Harry, who could so easily be one-dimensional or, in EM Forster's words, "flat" seem to have an interior life, which is not reflected in their public life. And my heart goes out to them, in some ways. Wouldn't have married one of them, but I have loved men who remind me of Harry. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Coupla links Firstly, looks like Les has been working overtime putting up some new Herbie info on JM.com: http://jonimitchell.com/herbie.cfm According to the website, you can play some/all of the tracks? I couldn't get it to work, maybe they're still tinkering with it. Secondly, check out this Delta Blues-ish take on This Flight Tonight...it ain't Joni, and it ain't Nazareth. I think it's pretty killer. Maybe it derivates too much from the original for Randy's tastes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTAtaNKFOVY Bob NP: see above - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:23:58 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Harry, the one with the house ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Return-path: From: LCStanley7@aol.com Full-name: LCStanley7 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:39:44 EDT Subject: Re: Harry, the one with the house To: joni@smoe.org, beatntrack@sbcglobal.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Dave asked: Who was Harry? You know the one with the house... Hi Dave, Thanks for asking this question because it got me to listen to the song more deeply. What a great song! I love the analogy of the helicopter on the building and the dragon fly on the tomb. Harry... I think he represents the upper middle class, middle-aged male. Joni made a comment once that I can't quote, but it was something about how love is a trick nature plays on people. This song reminds me of that. It seems Harry at an early age made decisions based on his passion for his love, and as he got older and he and she changed not only in appearance but in temperament with what life entailed, the reality comes clear that all his effort in life boiled down to was so she could tell him what to do with his house and pay. Yet he is still able to be right back to the experience of being reeled in by her shine. This got me thinking of the practical and the colorful in life. Colorful flowers attract bees for a purpose. As I walked into work this morning through the parking deck, the cars looked different to me. Normally, I don't notice them as I walk through them. But today I saw their colors and shapes and their shine and thought how beautiful and valuable they are. And, then I saw them as very heavy pieces of metal that burn gasoline and carry people here and there. Two different feelings about cars in those few minutes... I've looked at cars from both sides now. Harry in my opinion is the guy who looks at his love from both sides now. His dream of how she used to be keeps him able to see both at the same time. Both sides is a common theme in Joni's songs. I'm seeing it in the new lyrics also. There is a humbleness in her balance of both. It is like what do we really know when all we recall about anything is really just an illusion anyway? Love, Laura ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:18:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Harry and Joni popularity I just revisited the lyrics & what struck me is that even though the song was titled after the man, the song was actually more about a particular kind of woman that Joni appears to have disdain for in this song. Perhaps because it was a choice she clearly walked away from with Graham, fearing that it might kill her creativity or career (if memory serves it was her grandmother's life that made her decide against becoming a wife). And all those lyrics about paper wives & kids made me think of her earlier song My Old Man where she sings, we don't need a piece of paper from the city hall. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:39:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Harry and Joni popularity Maybe someone has already mentioned this but to me it seems like Harry is the same guy who she is writing about in The Arrangement. Kate ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #266 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)