From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #256 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, August 21 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 256 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SV: Ignored for almost 14 years? ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: SV: Ignored for almost 14 years? [Motitan@aol.com] SV: SV: Ignored for almost 14 years? ["Marion Leffler" ] New Joni on WFUV [Alison E ] seeing Green - Joni and Kilauren [Mags ] Re: seeing Green - Joni and Kilauren [Mags ] Re:Thanks!!!! [Peep Richman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:04:16 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Ignored for almost 14 years? If there indeed was a meeting between Kelly and Joni at the time, surely she must know by now. (She would only have to ask Mrs Gibbs if indeed they took her to see Joni in Mariposa. But from what I have read about the Gibbs family, they weren't attending Joni's performances.) I'm still inclined to believe the little girl was not Kelly/Kilauren but Joni needed to believe she was. It put her at ease and helped her through her emotions. - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Jamie's Box of Paints Skickat: den 20 augusti 2007 01:04 Till: Brian Gross Kopia: Les Irvin; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Ignored for almost 14 years? I was thinking the same thing myself when I first read about that chance meeting... it makes you wonder if there was some sort of synergistic bringing together of mother and daughter throughout their lives... Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 19/08/07, Brian Gross wrote: > Great find Jamie! > > Now,after reading both accounts of this "meeting" at Mariposa, the > looming question (at least in my mind) is: > > Did the Gibbs call her "Kelly" as a shortened version of "Kilauren" > knowing her birth name was indeed "Kelly Dale" out of respect for her > birth mother's choice and the fact that she was not a newborn infant > (and may have already begun to respond to her name) when they took > possession of her? > > hmmm.... > > > > --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > > > There was even an article, in fact a radio broadcast in London in > > 1990 > > in which was mentioned her giving up her baby for adoption but did > > the > > rest of the press pick up on it? > > > > Here's the link in the library > > > > http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=891 > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. > And usually for the same reasons. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:24:01 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: Slouching - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN DOHENY" > In a strange way I almost feel as if Joni's music was always meant to go > with the poem..The drama and frankly "spooky" tone it sets matches > perfectly with the original text..I think Yeats would be proud..(quick > side story) I have two friends who are half born again christian and half > hippe..one night while talking about god and the bible I brought them to > my car and after i "hot-boxed" them..(smoked with windows up...updated > david crosby technique).. I played them "Slouching".. my friends begged me > for the cd..They both fell in love with the song.. A month later I got an > email explaining that they had each bought copies of Night Ride Home for > their best friends etc.. and it was the best album they've heard in > years..Everytime I hear that song I am brought back to that night.. ____________________________________________________________ This is a cool story. Just to satisfy my own interests, Kevin, will you tell us if you knew the poem before you heard the song? TIA, AJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:16:46 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: Ignored for almost 14 years? In a message dated 8/20/2007 4:08:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marionleffler@telia.com writes: believe the little girl was not Kelly/Kilauren but Joni needed to believe she was. It put her at ease and helped her through her emotions - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, yes. I highly doubt that the little girl was in fact Joni's daughter. Honestly, what are the odds? But as you said, Joni needed to believe she was for comfort. I think there are many things that we can implement in our minds to get through difficult situations. I'd imagine up until that time, Joni probably really wondered what happened to her. After that encounter I'm sure her worries of "if she was ok" atleast diminished giving Joni some room to breathe. All the other worries were there obviously but atleast she could find comfort in knowing she did the right thing at the time. - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:25:44 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: Ignored for almost 14 years? Yes, if we miss somebody really badly and have complex feelings about them, we see them everywhere. It's not uncommon at all and really not that mysterious. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Motitan@aol.com Skickat: den 20 augusti 2007 17:17 Till: marionleffler@telia.com; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: SV: Ignored for almost 14 years? In a message dated 8/20/2007 4:08:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marionleffler@telia.com writes: believe the little girl was not Kelly/Kilauren but Joni needed to believe she was. It put her at ease and helped her through her emotions - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, yes. I highly doubt that the little girl was in fact Joni's daughter. Honestly, what are the odds? But as you said, Joni needed to believe she was for comfort. I think there are many things that we can implement in our minds to get through difficult situations. I'd imagine up until that time, Joni probably really wondered what happened to her. After that encounter I'm sure her worries of "if she was ok" atleast diminished giving Joni some room to breathe. All the other worries were there obviously but atleast she could find comfort in knowing she did the right thing at the time. - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:36:57 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Re: Slouching I was in a play/musical called "Weird Romance" and the second act relied heavily on the Yeats poem "When You Are Old" therefore I became slightly obsessed with Yeats(besides I am half Irish and love all things from the island) that is when I first heard about "Slouching" maybe 8 years before I ever heard NRH...But once I heard the song I went right to my Yeats books..whatta perfect melding of two amazing artists AJ wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN DOHENY" > In a strange way I almost feel as if Joni's music was always meant to go > with the poem..The drama and frankly "spooky" tone it sets matches > perfectly with the original text..I think Yeats would be proud..(quick > side story) I have two friends who are half born again christian and half > hippe..one night while talking about god and the bible I brought them to > my car and after i "hot-boxed" them..(smoked with windows up...updated > david crosby technique).. I played them "Slouching".. my friends begged me > for the cd..They both fell in love with the song.. A month later I got an > email explaining that they had each bought copies of Night Ride Home for > their best friends etc.. and it was the best album they've heard in > years..Everytime I hear that song I am brought back to that night.. ____________________________________________________________ This is a cool story. Just to satisfy my own interests, Kevin, will you tell us if you knew the poem before you heard the song? TIA, AJ - --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:25:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: New Joni on WFUV Heard two new tracks from Shine today on WFUV, "If" and "One week last summer" an instrumental track. Both sounded good, very jazzy, very Taming the Tiger. If you don't live in the NYC area, you can stream it online as I do. www.wfuv.org I'm sure they'll play this new Joni again! I don't know of any other station in the US that is playing her. Hopefully I'll get an advance soon through the station I program for, KRCL. Alison e. in slc np: wfuv.org _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:35:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: seeing Green - Joni and Kilauren It is highly unlikely that Myrtle and Bill were given any identifying information about Joni. Adoption records in Ontario were sealed tight. The government was very strict about that. Only vague generalities were offered up. The systems in place set it up this way for a number of reasons. This is how it was played out. Joni , the birth mother, would be encouraged to forget that she had a child. She would be told it was for the best, that she could now get on with her life. A life sentence was bestowed upon her, filled with secrets and lies that would come back to haunt her for many years. It has been said that by writing Little Green and Chinese Cafe, Joni found some release for all that she held inside. The adoptive parents could assume the role of the "real" parents as if the other mother did not exist, as if a whole life history could be wiped clean. Not to mention that the issues surrounding why the adoptive parents were there in the first place were likely down played. The child would then be able to fit into a new family, like a long lost piece of a jig saw puzzle. No regrets coyote. Unfortunately for many, there were plenty of regrets with that system. The repercussions of a closed adoption are now breaking into the light of day. When a woman gives up a child for adoption, the mind plays games. As the years roll by, the sighting of any little boy or girl can fill the mind with "oh, this is what she/he is doing now", that sort of thing. for Joni to think that she thought that she saw little Green backstage, what a comfort that might have been. Les, and the person who did the typing (sorry I dont have the original post in front of me) , thanks for sharing this wonderful, thought provoking article. Mags - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail - --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail - - --------------------------------- Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:18:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: seeing Green - Joni and Kilauren barg. correction: I was trying to set this up so succinctly and there's the glaring booboo in the first line. I meant.....that the folks who adopted Kilauren would not have received identifying information about Joni and her family. Nor would Joni have had any inkling as to the identity of her daughter's adoptive family. Hopefully, you all knew what I meant. :--) Mags wrote: It is highly unlikely that Myrtle and Bill were given any identifying information about Joni. Adoption records in Ontario were sealed tight. The government was very strict about that. Only vague generalities were offered up. The systems in place set it up this way for a number of reasons. This is how it was played out. Joni , the birth mother, would be encouraged to forget that she had a child. She would be told it was for the best, that she could now get on with her life. A life sentence was bestowed upon her, filled with secrets and lies that would come back to haunt her for many years. It has been said that by writing Little Green and Chinese Cafe, Joni found some release for all that she held inside. The adoptive parents could assume the role of the "real" parents as if the other mother did not exist, as if a whole life history could be wiped clean. Not to mention that the issues surrounding why the adoptive parents were there in the first place were likely down played. The child would then be able to fit into a new family, like a long lost piece of a jig saw puzzle. No regrets coyote. Unfortunately for many, there were plenty of regrets with that system. The repercussions of a closed adoption are now breaking into the light of day. When a woman gives up a child for adoption, the mind plays games. As the years roll by, the sighting of any little boy or girl can fill the mind with "oh, this is what she/he is doing now", that sort of thing. for Joni to think that she thought that she saw little Green backstage, what a comfort that might have been. Les, and the person who did the typing (sorry I dont have the original post in front of me) , thanks for sharing this wonderful, thought provoking article. Mags - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail - --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail - - --------------------------------- Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. - --------------------------------- Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re:Thanks!!!! Hello, Hello!!! Just finished reading the most recent Digest....tremendous!!! Wonderful links...thank you all who contributed. Yesterday I watched the DVD "Painting With Words And Music" with a dear friend who is living with cancer...about to 'leave' this dimension too soon. We wanted to share a beautiful memory...and, of course, you know we did! Many congratulations to you, Kate. You didn't share with us if your baby is a boy or girl...name? I'm wondering why I have such a case of Joni Mitchell OCD. I know...I know...there are obvious reasons. But I'm trying to explore deeper reasons within my heart and soul. I've spent the last four hours reading articles and viewing paintings by Joni. Well, beautiful souls and many dear friends....time to attend...as in give love, play, treats, maybe...big maybe...a little trip outside in all this gloom...but no rain at the moment...I'm Poodle-sitting and have have one addition to my four! With Joni's magic playing on my CD...five Poodles loving to love and be loved...I'm in heaven!!!!! Before I leave...I read this one sentence in my four hours with Joni today..."mystic psychedelic coherence of the world Mitchell lives in". I think I understand..... Love to all from Bo - --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #256 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)