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onlyJMDL Digest       Sunday, August 19 2007       Volume 2007 : Number 254



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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  SV: Shine lyrics, my take      ["Marion Leffler" <marionleffler@telia.com>]
  Re: Shine                            [Gary Z <nyro_in_detroit@comcast.net>]
  Re: Okay!!!! Now it really ism Saturday!!  [Peep Richman <ubehpy2003@yahoo]
  Bob! a cover question                              [Em <emzdogz@yahoo.com>]
  Re: Okay!!!! Now it really ism Saturday!!                 [Motitan@aol.com]
  Re: Shine Lyrics..My take           ["Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>]
  Re:SJC Hotel California (long)      ["Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>]
  Ignored for almost 14 years?             ["Les Irvin" <lesirvin@gmail.com>]

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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:24:33 +0200
From: "Marion Leffler" <marionleffler@telia.com>
Subject: SV: Shine lyrics, my take

I've been thinking that maybe she did IF for her grandchildren? Of course
that does not mean she is not also referring to experiences of her own.
Maybe she has found the poem useful for herself and wants to pass it on. (I
imagine Kipling wrote the poem thinking of a young person).
Marion

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Dmne: Re: Shine lyrics, my take

Yes I think the lyrics on Shine are more direct than some of Joni's other
work... but I believe that was her intention.  I remember on the Amanda
Ghost interview Joni made a passing comment that Shine was "Joni for
dummies" and then she chuckled... going on to say that she was dealing with
major themes supported by major chords.  My initial impression after reading
the lyrics was that these were probably going to be perfectly crafted "pop"
songs and reflective of Joni's lifelong songwriting education.
  
These lyrics from If really jumped out at me (yes I know it's an
adaptation):

If you can bear to hear
The truth you've spoken
Twisted and misconstrued
By some smug fool
Or watch your life''s work
Torn apart and broken down
And still stoop to build again
With worn out tools.

I felt as if Joni could be describing her own career and what some have done
to her life work in the name of criticism rather than appreciating the
tremendous gift she has given the world.  And reading the last two lines I
imagined that was how Joni must have felt as she stooped to record again...
signing off for now,
Peace, David


       
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:16:22 -0400
From: Gary Z <nyro_in_detroit@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Shine

And it's already listed as a pre-order on cduniverse.com as well. 

Best regards,

Gary Z.
Detroit

Bob Muller wrote:

><so where are we supposed to get the album?>
>   
>  I'm planning on swinging by Earshot on the 25th and getting Joni & Herbie.
>   
>  Like Richard said, it's available wherever you typically shop. I'm sure it will be on itunes too, and if Macca's CD was on emusic I'm certain that Joni's will be too.
>   
>  Bob
>   
>  NP: Dave Blackburn, Robin Adler & The Joni Band, "Woodstock"
>  
>
>
>
>
>       
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:08:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peep Richman <ubehpy2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Okay!!!! Now it really ism Saturday!!

Hello everyone!
  I know what day it is...aha!
  Christian, thank you for your lovely words about my last posting.
  Today I want to share a quote I discovered.  I know Joni would probably enjoy it.
  "The most beautiful discovery
    true friends make
    are that they can grow separately
    without growing apart."
                    -Anonymous
  Beautiful and so true, don't you think?
  I find that I think of Joni so often during the day.  I wonder what she may be doing....I know there's a three hour time difference so I think about that too....I think about certain lyrics that seem to just pop, without specific motivation, into my head...I wonder if Joni is well and if her life is gentle...I wonder what she's reading and what music she is listening to...and I marvel at her multi-talents.  Most of all, I feel so completely grateful that she is in my life.  And, through our common love of Joni, I have found so many kindred spirits and wonderful people on our digest.
  Peace and real love to everyone,
  Bo

       
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:56:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Em <emzdogz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Bob! a cover question

is this person's cover of "Carey" among your collection?
http://www.saragazarek.com/

Nice! I was out back on the deck dipping/immersing myself nicely in
jazz and I *thought* I was listening to a set of Max Roach related
stuff, on our super duper community radio station WMNF. Not sure if
that's the case or not - but this played, and it was pretty kick-ass. I
called the station ( the lines were open) and got her name.
:)
Em <<drinking the world's worst mojito...lemonade, rum and 2 mints from
my friend's purse..... feh

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! goin' back to b double e double r very soon

" We need an El Camino"
"Some things I know, and some things I don't."

... John From Cincinnati

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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:12:45 EDT
From: Motitan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Okay!!!! Now it really ism Saturday!!

In a message dated 8/18/2007 1:19:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
ubehpy2003@yahoo.com writes:

"The most beautiful discovery
true friends make
are that they can grow separately
without growing  apart."
- -Anonymous
Beautiful and so true, don't you  think?


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    That is a lovely quote and very true.  If all  people could understand 
that....we'd be making progress.
- -Mon
    



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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:52:40 -0700
From: "Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>
Subject: Re: Shine Lyrics..My take

Exactly- having a vehicle for anger allows us to NOT be angry all the time
or even much of the time & remember what she said- she sings her pain 

kate

Mark in Sydney>I totally relate to everything Joni has said, either in song
or not. I'm sure Joni is not angry every day either but this is her vehicles
for discussing the way she feels about things that are important to her.<

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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:32:34 -0700
From: "Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>
Subject: Re:SJC Hotel California (long)

Mark "whenever I play that game of, "if you could go back and live in any 
time period through history and in any place in the world, where/when 
would it be?" my choice is always Woodstock or Laurel Canyon in the 
early '70s."

thank you for saying this, lately I've been reminiscing on some amazing
experiences that I've had in my life one is that I got to experience a small
part of the Woodstock era during the end of the 60s (& in her later years
before she passed, my mom told me about some of her family who lived in in
Woodstock decades earlier & even then it was quite bohemian)  

& although it wasn't laurel canyon, I got to be part of a wonderful 'back to
the garden' lifestyle with music at the core- it wasn't laurel canyon but
not that far away from there & for me, perhaps, a better choice at the time

kate

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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:27:10 -0600
From: "Les Irvin" <lesirvin@gmail.com>
Subject: Ignored for almost 14 years? 

Joniphiles - 

 

A new article has just been added to the Library from an Australian
newspaper published in April of 1983.  Miguel Arrondo, who typed the
article, pointed out an interesting fact contained therein:  Joni admits to
having a child and giving her up for adoption, even revealing the name given
to her at birth.  This is 1983, mind you.

 

Am I the only one who missed this back then?  Why was this such a surprise
in December of 1996 when "the news" hit and Joni stated "the good news is
that I'm clean now, and I have no skeletons."  It's fascinating that the
same news which created such a media frenzy in 1996 was completely ignored
in 1983.  Even Joni, 13 years later, implied it was a just-revealed fact.

 

Read the article here:

http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=1629

 

Is my memory slipping or is this whole thing quite strange?  Hmmmm..

 

Les (not London)

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