From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #236 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, August 5 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 236 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Coyote ["Marion Leffler" ] joni stamps [Deb Messling ] Re: joni stamps [Motitan@aol.com] Joni, Joni, Joni everywhere! [Motitan@aol.com] Re: joni & cohen ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] SV: Joni, Joni, Joni everywhere! ["Marion Leffler" Subject: Coyote Hi everybody, woke up with Coyote (the song!) on my mind this morning. Strange since this is one of the few songs I can't relate to and so it doesn't mean much to me. I like the way Joni sings it though. Now I know people on this list are a fountain of interpretations so I would love for anybody to let me know their take on this song. I realize it's about one of the many womanizers that seem to have crossed Joni's path but is there anything more to it? Marion, on a sunny Saturday morning in Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 08:51:32 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: joni stamps My husband just gave me a bunch of Joni postage stamps as a gift celebrating the anniversary of our local music festival. I'm not a stamp collector and I don't like the photograph, but they're nice to have. I wish they were valid stamps in the States; I'd use them on my Christmas cards. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:51:26 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: joni stamps These Joni stamps are all over Ebay....... - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 12:08:01 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni, Joni, Joni everywhere! Well here's some trivial Joni-ness for the weekend's sake. Be warned: this post does not have the meaning of life in it nor does it have any hidden meaning. This is light and fun and showin' Joni all around! Anyway, last night I met up with some friends at a restaurant/bar for a few drinks. We were outside sitting at a table on the restaurant's patio (it was a beautiful, warm summer night and some of my friends do smoke). And of course, they have music playing there. However, the music outside was very faint. Now everybody's talking to everybody else (including someone to me) and guess what comes on? Joni! I heard the opening chords to Free Man In Paris. Even though I was in the middle of a conversation I yelled out, "this is a great song!" One of the girls noticed my enthusiasm and suggested we sit inside the restaurant to listen. Indeed we did! Although, I doubt this girl was a Joni fan. She was a friend of my friend's so this was the first time I ever even met her. I didn't even bother to ask her if she liked Joni although I did tell her that this was a Joni Mitchell song. That went pretty much unnoticed as this girl was kind of drunk by then. Either way, it was still so much fun to hear some Joni and someone else express drunken, fleeting interest in all this! - -Monika, seeing the Simpsons movie today ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 18:50:29 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Re: joni & cohen Well, Emiliano, your answer provided me with a lot more of light than darkness (then I see a darkness, and then I see a darkness) Thanks for correcting my misunterstanding with Cohens text. I think maybe I4ve gotten further confused trough Cohens version he wrote to Jennifer Warnes and of norwegian singer Kari Bremnes nowefuan version translated by poet Haavard Rem (Look out for the name, soon appearing in Bob4s covers compilations) I remeber I read somewhere that Cohen had rewrote the song for J.Warnes, and I remeber reflecting over it some years ago and got very confused of what sexes/sexualities was invloved in it. Therefore your reference to Cohens own words spread some light on it. Because he seems to be kind of confused himself. Oh that dear Old Cohen, I think it4s so funny that he doesn4t really remeber if the song is about himself or some third part. For an outsider I percieve Cohen to have been a person very much alive and living in the present. I watched an interview with him quite recently - - and what stroke me was that he appeared so warm - and reconciled with his past, even with his former manager who stole his money. He didn4t seem bitter at all. Maybe it4s this Budhism thing that is working I don4t know. I find hime very fascinating - and I can kind of forgive his flirting tone withe the young and pretty norwegian interviewer. Hmm - Cohen and joni would be two persons I4d really like to meet - but I4m afraid I would be so terrified meeting them that I wouldn4t be able to say a thing. Well, bless them. And thank you for the music. And Joni4s new album is on it4s way and Herbe Hancocks too - --- oh such grace in my heart. I will be delighted - even though it4s not published on Righteous Babe, which would be eeven better Love And have a wonderful time, you too Oddmund, so happy to have lurked you out of lurkdom --- I feel deeply honured ( - : & On 8/4/07, JoniPD wrote: > Hi, Oddmund! > > Oh well, that's a tempting subject! > > I think I can shed a little light (or maybe more darkness, you know...) > about this matter. > > First, I think you've got it a little wrong: Famous Blue Raincoat is, > obviously, about a man > "And what can I tell you my brother, my killer > What can I possibly say? " > It's a song "in second person"; ie: a letter written to someone (just > like Rainy Night House!), but... who's that "You"? > > Well, believe it or not, some Leonard Cohen fans think it's about Leo > Cohen himself; that it's a kind of "open letter" to him, a kind of > "speaking to oneself in the mirror" therapy after he broke his marriage. > There's something he tells in a BBC interview back in 1994: > "The problem with that song is that I've forgotten the actual triangle. > Whether it was my own - of course, I always felt that there was an > invisible male seducing the woman I was with, now whether this one was > incarnate or merely imaginary I don't remember, I've always had the > sense that either I've been that figure in relation to another couple or > there'd been a figure like that in relation to my marriage. I don't > quite remember but I did have this feeling that there was always a third > party, sometimes me, sometimes another man, sometimes another woman. It > was a song I've never been satisfied with. It's not that I've resisted > an impressionistic approach to songwriting, but I've never felt that > this one, that I really nailed the lyric. I'm ready to concede something > to the mystery, but secretly I've always felt that there was something > about the song that was unclear. So I've been very happy with some of > the imagery, but a lot of the imagery... The tune I think is good, I > remember my mother approving of it, I remember playing the tune for her, > in her kitchen, and her perking up her ears while she was doing > something else and saying "that's a nice tune". > > Of course, that's very obscure! > Could it be our Joni that "another woman"??? > Did Leo played that tune in some Florida kitchen? > I too have read in the JMDL that Rainy Night House might have a > connection with Cohen, isn't it? > > Anyway, that's my two cents on it. I'm sorry I didn't help much... and > grateful to you for marking that resemblance in two of my favourite > songs ever. > > Have a Wonderful time! > Emiliano > > NP: Al Gromer Khan & Amelia Cuni: Monsoon Point > > > Oddmund Kaarevik escribis: > > Joni ; Rainy night house : > > So you packed your tent and you went > > to live out in the Arizona sand > > You are a refugee > > >From a wealthy family > > You gave up all the golden factories > > To see who in the world you might be > > > > Cohen: Famous blue raincoat : > > I hear your building your house deep in the desert > > Your living for nothing now > > I hope you4re keeping some kind of record.... > > > > These two text appeared in a short while through the great shuffle > > ipod I acchieved due to Bob4s kindness (+you know he lit a candle for > > my loveluck and hey, 18 $ went up in smoke...and then we have the > > shipping costs for donating money to jm.com, that still appears a > > little strange, Les) Anyways, achieving this precious gift from > > Mr.Muller has opened a new world for me. Suddenly I can carry all this > > great music in my pocket, and it weighs nothing. Well, enough about > > that. Listening to the ipod I suddenly traced a recembllence with > > these two texts. Both Joni and Cohen sings about some person who has > > retreated to his/her secret place- - - I started wondering if this > > could be the same person. Most likey not, since I believe Coehn sings > > about a woman and Joni ablut a man, those artist are JUST SOOO > > STRAIGHT! Oh MY GOD! Well I believe I4ve heard that Joni and Cohen had > > some sort of relationship in the sixties, and I4ve also heard from > > great my Joni scholar and friend Karen Marie, that Cohen4s Rainy night > > house might have a connection with Joni. So who in the world might > > help me with this one, if any? > > > > Jonilove from Oddmund --- who is happy to pay only 10$ for Turbulent > > IOndigo the other day, so finally I own a copy of this precious album ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:27:55 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni, Joni, Joni everywhere! Ah, an unexpected Joni-moment! How nice! Good for you, Monika! And have a good time at the Simpsons movie! I love them, watch the tv-series every weekday night! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Motitan@aol.com Skickat: den 4 augusti 2007 18:08 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Joni, Joni, Joni everywhere! Well here's some trivial Joni-ness for the weekend's sake. Be warned: this post does not have the meaning of life in it nor does it have any hidden meaning. This is light and fun and showin' Joni all around! Anyway, last night I met up with some friends at a restaurant/bar for a few drinks. We were outside sitting at a table on the restaurant's patio (it was a beautiful, warm summer night and some of my friends do smoke). And of course, they have music playing there. However, the music outside was very faint. Now everybody's talking to everybody else (including someone to me) and guess what comes on? Joni! I heard the opening chords to Free Man In Paris. Even though I was in the middle of a conversation I yelled out, "this is a great song!" One of the girls noticed my enthusiasm and suggested we sit inside the restaurant to listen. Indeed we did! Although, I doubt this girl was a Joni fan. She was a friend of my friend's so this was the first time I ever even met her. I didn't even bother to ask her if she liked Joni although I did tell her that this was a Joni Mitchell song. That went pretty much unnoticed as this girl was kind of drunk by then. Either way, it was still so much fun to hear some Joni and someone else express drunken, fleeting interest in all this! - -Monika, seeing the Simpsons movie today ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #236 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)