From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #229 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, July 30 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 229 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- native american - joni ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: A case of you ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: native american - joni [jeannie ] A case of you ["Patti Parlette" ] SV: native american - joni ["Marion Leffler" ] SV: A case of you ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter ["Owen Duff" ] Re: A 'long' case of you [Motitan@aol.com] Re: A case of you [Motitan@aol.com] Joni jokin' in the ole workplace ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: A 'long' case of you [jeannie ] RE: SV: A case of you ["Sherelle Smith" ] If [David Sapp ] Joni Tribute in Skaneateles, NY ["Strodel, Joe" ] XM Cafe ["Suze Cameron" ] A Case of You, now Joni the Troubador ["Patti Parlette" Subject: native american - joni I heard a native american woman being interviewed the other day on the radio. . and her voice reminded me of Joni in some way. the way the words are pronounced I guess this strikes me because I seem to hold native americans with highest esteem. . I often wish /dream that I have native blood. . . but maybe I am only native in my heart. . native americans and their reverence for the earth, animals, the sky, water, air, fire. . every bit of life. . the rocks the soil seven generations. . etc. land preservation reverence spirit that's all where it's all at. . and joni. . this is what joni seems to be about. . so when I hear joni's voice lately I seem to hear the native voice. "let the wind carry me. . ." bring me closer to all these things it's a spirituality. . etc.). . maybe I will make a list sometime Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:59:03 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: A case of you Wow! This shows how differently people can interpret the lyrics to a song. I have always felt that this song has one of the most romantic lines I've ever heard. I have always taken this line, "I could drink a case of you darlin...and still be on my feet, still be on my feet..." to mean that the amount of love she feels for this person is like a case of wine. She could drink it all and still want more. Also, him being "in her blood like holy wine" has always been a positive thing to me. Even though the love may be unrequited, she still feels it. This is something I've always loved about Joni and been inspired by with her. She has always been able to describe love in so many different and truthful ways. It's like a snapshot of her life at the time that clear, honest, and to the point. Listening to her music has given me the strength to get over love that has hurt me and the courage to look again. She sets the bar and in her own way tells us to do whatever we need to do to get the best love we can. Sherelle Marion wrote: Hi all, Kevin wrote: "As I was on a roll I remembered that anther posting said they could not understand the line from "Case of You" - why would you want to drink a case of you but still be on my feet". I see this as Joni's way of putting someone down bigtime. This shows that Joni can be ruthless: "constantly in the darkness...where's that at?...if you want me I'll be in the bar"; the image of being two-faced (bitter and sweet/ darkness and light). In contrast to Strange Boy" where love is the strongest poison and medicine of all the "love" that exists between her and her lover is now as strong as diet coke!" I beg to differ, Kevin! I think that what she means is that although he is "in her blood like holy wine" she will get over him and "still be on her feet". That's not putting somebody down as much as encouraging oneself to move on. Marion _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: native american - joni I hear you, Ms. Rizzo! You just now made me realize Joni even has the NativeAmerican tonality, too, and I've always thought it to be strictly genetic. Marianne, you possess within yourself all those things you wish you had. Please, believe me. You've always had Paradise, so, never let it go. You don't live near those concrete jungle parking lots or in those flim-flam man pink hotels or shop at those bizarre bazaars or hang out at those bars where mad-men sit up making bombs and wars. And, Marianne, you also are held in great esteem. Love, Jeanne Marianne Rizzo wrote: I heard a native american woman being interviewed the other day on the radio. . and her voice reminded me of Joni in some way. the way the words are pronounced I guess this strikes me because I seem to hold native americans with highest esteem. . I often wish /dream that I have native blood. . . but maybe I am only native in my heart. . native americans and their reverence for the earth, animals, the sky, water, air, fire. . every bit of life. . the rocks the soil seven generations. . etc. land preservation reverence spirit that's all where it's all at. . and joni. . this is what joni seems to be about. . so when I hear joni's voice lately I seem to hear the native voice. "let the wind carry me. . ." bring me closer to all these things it's a spirituality. . etc.). . maybe I will make a list sometime Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 - --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:04:14 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: A case of you Sherelle wrote: Also, him being "in her blood like holy wine" has always been a positive thing to me. Even though the love may be unrequited, she still feels it. This is something I've always loved about Joni and been inspired by with her. She has always been able to describe love in so many different and truthful ways. It's like a snapshot of her life at the time that clear, honest, and to the point. Listening to her music has given me the strength to get over love that has hurt me and the courage to look again. She sets the bar and in her own way tells us to do whatever we need to do to get the best love we can. *** Tres bien! But sometimes, don't you think that love is just mythical, Sherelle? Oh and love can be so sweet Love so sweet. And then again, of course, it's a repetitious danger. I think she sums it up best with this: And on love the strongest poison and medicine of all Just off of the top of my head, those. You KNOW there are more! In my search for love (the medicinal kind) that don't seem to cease, Patti P. P.S. I keep getting this message when I go to check MOA lyrics. Even though they are in my blood like holy wine, sometimes I have to doublecheck so I get them exactly right (must avoid Mitchellian mondegreen mortification at all times!) "The web site you are accessing has experienced an unexpected error. Please contact the website administrator." All the other lyrics seem to be there except MOA. So that's not too terrible, because you can find most of them in other secret places. _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:13:39 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: native american - joni Hear, hear! Jeanne said it so well, nothing has to be added. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr jeannie Skickat: den 30 juli 2007 16:03 Till: Marianne Rizzo; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: native american - joni I hear you, Ms. Rizzo! You just now made me realize Joni even has the NativeAmerican tonality, too, and I've always thought it to be strictly genetic. Marianne, you possess within yourself all those things you wish you had. Please, believe me. You've always had Paradise, so, never let it go. You don't live near those concrete jungle parking lots or in those flim-flam man pink hotels or shop at those bizarre bazaars or hang out at those bars where mad-men sit up making bombs and wars. And, Marianne, you also are held in great esteem. Love, Jeanne Marianne Rizzo wrote: I heard a native american woman being interviewed the other day on the radio. . and her voice reminded me of Joni in some way. the way the words are pronounced I guess this strikes me because I seem to hold native americans with highest esteem. . I often wish /dream that I have native blood. . . but maybe I am only native in my heart. . native americans and their reverence for the earth, animals, the sky, water, air, fire. . every bit of life. . the rocks the soil seven generations. . etc. land preservation reverence spirit that's all where it's all at. . and joni. . this is what joni seems to be about. . so when I hear joni's voice lately I seem to hear the native voice. "let the wind carry me. . ." bring me closer to all these things it's a spirituality. . etc.). . maybe I will make a list sometime Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 - --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:37:30 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: A case of you yes, Sherelle, I do agree, the song is about somebody breaking up with somebody she still loves. It has been one of my favourites forever. If he is in her blood like holy wine he is not somebody she will want to dispose of. But the love has been lost, she tells us in the first line, and they have to part. Yet she can drink a case of him and still be on her feet - she is confident it will not break her. She can love him and let him go nevertheless. When I first heard A case of you I had just broken up with a lover and was absolutely heartbroken. If I hadn't had that song to take encouragement from I don't know what would have happened. It just so happened that Blue was released at precisely the hardest time of my life (yet) and it had a good deal to do with me pulling through. Also, I think it's wonderful how we all recognize our own feelings in Joni's songs - but that's what makes her so great, the way she can put emotions into words and music, emotions so entirely her own and yet so universal. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Sherelle Smith Skickat: den 30 juli 2007 15:59 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: A case of you Wow! This shows how differently people can interpret the lyrics to a song. I have always felt that this song has one of the most romantic lines I've ever heard. I have always taken this line, "I could drink a case of you darlin...and still be on my feet, still be on my feet..." to mean that the amount of love she feels for this person is like a case of wine. She could drink it all and still want more. Also, him being "in her blood like holy wine" has always been a positive thing to me. Even though the love may be unrequited, she still feels it. This is something I've always loved about Joni and been inspired by with her. She has always been able to describe love in so many different and truthful ways. It's like a snapshot of her life at the time that clear, honest, and to the point. Listening to her music has given me the strength to get over love that has hurt me and the courage to look again. She sets the bar and in her own way tells us to do whatever we need to do to get the best love we can. Sherelle Marion wrote: Hi all, Kevin wrote: "As I was on a roll I remembered that anther posting said they could not understand the line from "Case of You" - why would you want to drink a case of you but still be on my feet". I see this as Joni's way of putting someone down bigtime. This shows that Joni can be ruthless: "constantly in the darkness...where's that at?...if you want me I'll be in the bar"; the image of being two-faced (bitter and sweet/ darkness and light). In contrast to Strange Boy" where love is the strongest poison and medicine of all the "love" that exists between her and her lover is now as strong as diet coke!" I beg to differ, Kevin! I think that what she means is that although he is "in her blood like holy wine" she will get over him and "still be on her feet". That's not putting somebody down as much as encouraging oneself to move on. Marion _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:47:47 +0000 From: "Owen Duff" Subject: Re: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter Hello all, Just had chance to catch up with this stuff, and I have been swayed by some (not all) of the contributions here. A lot of my reaction is certainly to do with how I think this makes Joni "look" to others . As I said, a lot of people in my social circle will be turned off the CD by the association with SB (because, rightly or wrongly, it has a bad image among them) which is a real shame, as I'd love for those people to love it. But whoever said that Joni feels she has a great piece work and sees this as a good way to get lots of people to hear it made a good point, and I can understand that. As for moral tone in my disappointment, my exact words were "makes her look like a massive hypocrite", which is not the same as accusing her of being one. Really, I can't criticise SB or Joni, because I don't and never will have enough information about either. All I can do is react to how it appears, I hope I didn't come across as doing anything more than that. On a related point - Bob, my boycotting of companies is rarely done for any other reasons than petty defiance! I don't expect it to make any difference at all (except to me) and, in the case of SB, it wasn't based on anything more than irritation at the prevalence of their stores in such a short space of time. It's more of a personal challenge really, and it's been 8 years now... not sure how I'm going to get around this one though. Regardless, I am really excited about "Shine", even if I have to ask someone else to buy it for me in order to satisfy my slightly OCD avoidance of Starbucks! That's all folks... O - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From:: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > To: "Owen Duff" > Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:55:14 -0400 You are correct in saying that I did not mean to offend you. I think (at least I hope) that most of us do the best we can regarding consumer decisions based on a variety of things. You don't have to look very hard into ANY corporation to find out that they're doing some things that you don't like. So, we all pick our battles, and yes, sometimes we have to compromise. I don't shop at Wal-Mart, but if I was traveling and a member of my family needed some medicine or something that I had to go into the Wal-Mart to get, damn straight I would run, not ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:42:37 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you In a message dated 7/30/2007 12:00:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com writes: You'll see, hanging out with Joni will be upon to you a gift of wisdom, and more precious yet, because it's from a tender woman's wisdom and heart with many, many paint brush touches of love. Good night, Monika! Sincerely, Jeannie PS: Have you heard Joni's song, Love? - ----------------------------------------------------- There are many things to be learned in Joni's music. She describes or says certain things that you yourself would never admit to or could never find the words to say. I think Joni has made a career out of articulating, certainly her feelings, but also the feelings of everyone who listens to her. You can relate. The couple of times I mentioned on this list playing Joni in my car and someone objecting to it or making a comment that is not necessary, I always tell them, "if you'd listen you might learn something." Oh, I have not heard the song Love. I do not own WTRF yet (someday soon). I said that I would go through Joni's album buying them and listening to them chronologically but often I want to cheat as far as the listening goes. I notice the library has quite a few albums from the 90's with songs I know (from DVDS and such) and like. To cheat or not to cheat? That is the question....(I have to check and see if they carry WTFR...) But since you mentioned the song "Love" the first thing I did was find the lyrics...I particularly like the lines, "if I didn't have love, I'd be nothing" and "love sees like a child sees." Although I speak in tongues Of men and angels I'm just sounding brass And tinkling cymbals without love Love suffers long Love is kind! Enduring all things Love has no evil in mind If I had the gift of prophecy And all the knowledge And the faith to move the mountains Even if I understood all of the mysteries If I didn't have love I'd be nothing Love never looks for love Love's not puffed up Or envious Or touchy Because it rejoices in the truth Not in iniquity Love sees like a child sees As a child I spoke as a child I thought and I understood as a child But when I became a woman I put away childish things And began to see through a glass darkly Where as a child I saw it face to face Now I only know it in part Fractions in me Of faith and hope and love And of these great three Love's the greatest beauty Love Love Love - -M ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:46:15 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: A case of you In a message dated 7/30/2007 11:14:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, loveuconn@hotmail.com writes: love the strongest poison and medicine of all - ----------------------------- From the first time I heard this line, it has been one of my favorite lines in a Joni song and in a song in general. She sums up something so perfectly here...something that deep down we all know....but would never be able to find the words or put the two thoughts together (love being poison and love being medicine). If that is not a truth of the world then I don't know what is! It is so eloquently phrased too! Amen to that. - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:23:19 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni jokin' in the ole workplace In Prof. X's search for the perfect classroom (which don't seem to cease....sheesh!) we had this Joni rich exchange (seems to me). (At least he's never a telephone screamer, and is the best one at tolerating my JMOCD....LOL....he's the one I called at home once and said: "Hi. This is Joni Mitchell." And he went with it, played it cool, played it cool, saying: "Hi Joni! Where have you been? I've been trying your tunings and they are so hard to master!") At 04:55 PM 7/27/2007, he wrote: Does 215 have two doors, i.e., is it more appealing. Is that the nice high-tech room across from my office? That would be super!!! I will not make any Joni jokes, promise!!! And I replied: Yes, dear. That's the room. You are very very lucky with this! No more favors the rest of the year! And if you EVER make any Joni jokes or show her any disrespect whatsoever, your classes will be over in the horse barns! (Ach du Lieber...merde! Missed opportunity here: I should have also threatened that he'd be brushing out a brood mare's tail there while the sun is ascending.....a dreaded early early a.m. class time.) Now for your Joni erudition, here are some "joke" mentions in her lyrics: Borderline ... to be the night when All well-wishing ends? All credibility revoked? Thin skin thick jokes! Can we blame it on the smoke, This borderline? Every bristling shaft of pride ... Tax Free Front rooms Back rooms Slide into tables Crowd into bathrooms Joke around Cheap talk Deep talk Talk talk talk around the clock Crawl home Lie down Teeth chatter ... Furry Sings The Blues ... at you and says "I don't like you" Everybody laughs as if it's the old man's standard joke But it's true We're only welcome for our drink and smoke Dancin' Clown ... the woods He's just weak in self-defense 'Cause he's so thin skinned He can't take a joke at his expense "You're a push down window" says Rowdy ... Song For Sharon ... on my face There's a gypsy down on Bleecker Street I went in to see her as a kind of joke And she lit a candle for my love luck And eighteen bucks went up in smoke Sharon I ... **** Lately I wonder what I do it for. Now he'll be asking for push down windows! And a rainbow on the wall! Throwing the lightness on these things, Patti P., more JMOCDed than ever these days _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:21:26 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Starbucks Restless Daughter I found this in Sunday's Chicago Tribune, and had to share. Jack Pop (Machine) quiz July 29, 2007 1. What new comedy did Jim Carrey just sign on for? a. "Yes Man," about a guy who says "yes" to everything. b. "No Sir," about a guy who says "no" to everything. c. "The Why Guy," about a guy who must learn to quit compulsively asking, "Why?" d. "My Hair's on Fire!" about a guy whose hair is always on fire. 2. What songwriter/author duo just had their new "play with music" workshopped in New York? a. Bono and Michael Chabon b. John Mellencamp and Stephen King c. Patti Smith and Jonathan Franzen d. James Taylor and Toni Morrison 3. Who will be the subject of an upcoming E! Entertainment reality series promoted as "hilarious and heartwarming"? a. Joan Baez b. Andy Dick c. Snoop Dogg d. Ike Turner 4. Joni Mitchell is following Paul McCartney to become the second performer signed to Starbucks' recording label, Hear Music. What is the name of her upcoming album? a. "Drizzle" b. "Shine" c. "Venti" d. "The Hissing of Summer Espresso Machines" - - - - ANSWERS 1. a 2. b 3. c 4. b ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:30:05 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: A case of you Merci beaucoup mon amie! Do I feel that love is sometimes mythical? That's a good question Patti! I'm definitely going to have to mull over that one! I do know that love is all of the things you are describing and that's why I love Joni's lyrics so much. She knows how to paint a snapshot of her life while she experiencing all of these different phases of love. What is the feminine word for troubador? Trobadress? I'm not sure. That's how I feel about the way she writes and sings her songs. She speaks of love in such a personal way. She speaks of love as poisnonous medicine ("Jealous lovin'll make you crazy...if you can't find your goodness cause you lost your heart...) and also as the sweetest of the sweet, (my take on the lyrics, "I could drink a case of you...darlin...and still be on my feet...still be on my feet...). Such wonderful extremes! It all makes love what it is....a wonder. Love, Sherelle Patti wrote: >Sherelle wrote: > >Also, him being "in her blood like holy wine" has always been a positive >thing to me. Even though the love may be unrequited, she still feels it. >This is something I've always loved about Joni and been inspired by with >her. She has always been able to describe love in so many different and >truthful ways. It's like a snapshot of her life at the time that clear, >honest, and to the point. Listening to her music has given me the strength >to get over love that has hurt me and the courage to look again. She sets >the bar and in her own way tells us to do whatever we need to do to get the >best love we can. > >*** > >Tres bien! > >But sometimes, don't you think that love is just mythical, Sherelle? > > >Oh and love can be so sweet Love so sweet. > >And then again, of course, it's a repetitious danger. > >I think she sums it up best with this: > >And on love the strongest poison and medicine of all > >Just off of the top of my head, those. You KNOW there are more! > >In my search for love (the medicinal kind) that don't seem to cease, > >Patti P. > > >P.S. I keep getting this message when I go to check MOA lyrics. Even >though they are in my blood like holy wine, sometimes I have to doublecheck >so I get them exactly right (must avoid Mitchellian mondegreen >mortification at all times!) > >"The web site you are accessing has experienced an unexpected error. >Please contact the website administrator." > >All the other lyrics seem to be there except MOA. So that's not too >terrible, because you can find most of them in other secret places. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! >http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:42:28 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you - - > There are many things to be learned in Joni's > music. She describes or > says certain things that you yourself would never > admit to or could never find > the words to say. I think Joni has made a career > out of articulating, > certainly her feelings, but also the feelings of > everyone who listens to her. You > can relate. The couple of times I mentioned on > this list playing Joni in my > car and someone objecting to it or making a comment > that is not necessary, I > always tell them, "if you'd listen you might learn > something." > Oh, I have not heard the song Love. I do not > own WTRF yet (someday > soon). I said that I would go through Joni's album > buying them and listening to > them chronologically but often I want to cheat as > far as the listening goes. > I notice the library has quite a few albums from > the 90's with songs I know > (from DVDS and such) and like. To cheat or not to > cheat? That is the > question....(I have to check and see if they carry > WTFR...) Monika, this is what I suggest you do as far as listening to Joni's albums without any questions. I'm so happy for you, just beginning your Joni hejiras. Pick out what you want to hear from any of her albums, listen to intently and study everything about the songs you love the most and their meaning and her message. Concentrate on the artwork and photography from every album because there's always something in there to appreciate that will attract you and eventually steer you forward on which way feel like going over to next. Joni's ever-evolving work and patterns are knots of love and its pleasures and pains done with the needed determination of knitting a most difficult, yet the most beautiful, unique and the rarest of sweaters made from finest threads of silk, for all of us! And Joni's never really stopped knitting! And no one has ever been able to unravel her convictions and creations of truth and beauty. It's all so interconnected and every picture and word tells it's own story and you'll keep learning more and more about Joni, no matter which route you go. Love, Jean > But since you mentioned the song "Love" the > first thing I did was find > the lyrics...I particularly like the lines, "if I > didn't have love, I'd be > nothing" and "love sees like a child sees." > > Although I speak in tongues > Of men and angels > I'm just sounding brass > And tinkling cymbals without love > > Love suffers long > Love is kind! > Enduring all things > Love has no evil in mind > > If I had the gift of prophecy > And all the knowledge > And the faith to move the mountains > Even if I understood all of the mysteries > If I didn't have love > I'd be nothing > > Love never looks for love > Love's not puffed up > Or envious > Or touchy > Because it rejoices in the truth > Not in iniquity > Love sees like a child sees > > As a child I spoke as a child > I thought and I understood as a child > But when I became a woman > I put away childish things > And began to see through a glass darkly > > Where as a child I saw it face to face > Now I only know it in part > Fractions in me > Of faith and hope and love > And of these great three > Love's the greatest beauty > Love > Love > Love > -M > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak > peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:24:05 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: SV: A case of you Thank you for sharing that Marion. Your words give totality to the meaning of the song. Even though it was a song about a break up, I got so stuck on the words from the chorus and the kind of love she had for this person, it was hard for me to hear anything else. I am now beginning to understand the song in its totality. I think I needed to hear someone say that they loved someone this much out loud. (Both Sides Now..."To say 'I love you' right out loud...) The album that touched my life when I needed it most was "Court and Spark" as I was going through the realization of unrequited love at that time as well too. It truly helped me to get through that phase of my life. I couldn't believe that someone could be so honest about heartbreak. Sherelle Marion wrote: > >yes, Sherelle, I do agree, the song is about somebody breaking up with >somebody she still loves. It has been one of my favourites forever. If he >is >in her blood like holy wine he is not somebody she will want to dispose of. >But the love has been lost, she tells us in the first line, and they have >to >part. Yet she can drink a case of him and still be on her feet - she is >confident it will not break her. She can love him and let him go >nevertheless. >When I first heard A case of you I had just broken up with a lover and was >absolutely heartbroken. If I hadn't had that song to take encouragement >from >I don't know what would have happened. >It just so happened that Blue was released at precisely the hardest time of >my life (yet) and it had a good deal to do with me pulling through. > >Also, I think it's wonderful how we all recognize our own feelings in >Joni's >songs - but that's what makes her so great, the way she can put emotions >into words and music, emotions so entirely her own and yet so universal. > >Marion _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:40:29 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: If I have been listening to the Shine sampler and like all of what I hear. The song If really stands out to me... I believe this is a new sound for Joni, catchy and rhythmic... can't wait to go to Starbucks on 9/25, sit there, drink coffee and listen to Joni... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:42:39 -0400 From: "Strodel, Joe" Subject: Joni Tribute in Skaneateles, NY The Skaneateles Area Arts Council presented A Tribute to Joni Mitchell: A Concert by Maria DeAngelis and Friends on April 28, 2007. The concert emcee was Jeffrey Pepper Rogers, the performers were six musicians led by jazz singer and composer Maria DeAngelis, and the attendance was 330 people. The show was really a wonderful tribute to Joni and received three great reviews from the media in the Syracuse, NY area. The concert opened with Joni's voice from an interview conducted by Jeffrey Pepper Rogers for Acoustic Guitar magazine. The audience loved it! Then Maria and her uber-talented team performed 16 Joni songs. The musicians were: Phil Flanagan, Karen Oberlin, Tori DeAngelis, Hannah Richardson, and Barry Blumenthal. A reception to kick-off the concert was presented by the Everson Museum of Art and the Skaneateles Arts Council, called "Music, Martinis and Joni Mitchell Masterpieces", featured stunning works of art signed by Joni, and was held in the beautiful home of Jim and Kimball Kraus. Here's the concert set list: Big Yellow Taxi Chelsea Morning Rainy Night House Both Sides, Now Free Man in Paris Down To You California Real Good For Free Help Me A Case of You Last Time I Saw Richard Raised On Robbery - - A very short intermission for tuning - Circle Game Ladies of the Canyon A Woman of Heart and Mind Woodstock All songs written and recorded by Joni Mitchell. One of the media reviewers, Jan Kent, wrote an article titled "Return of the Philosopher Queen." Check it out at: http://www.piratecny.com/jkent/article.php?article_id=tB1178585826t463fc ae2c5c22. I wanted to thank several members of the JMDL community for supporting this tribute concert and reception. First, a very special thanks to Maria DeAngelis for performing Joni's songs in a magical way. She played dulcimer, guitars, percussion, and received several standing ovations. She is a incredibly talented jazz singer and composer and interpreted Joni's songs in a stunning way! To see a summary of this event written by her, please visit the JMDL library at: http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1600. Also, a very special thanks to Les Irvin for all his support of the two events and a huge thanks to Jack Merkel for sending three stunning works of Joni art (signed by her), and to Henry Diltz for sending three signed photographs of Joni. The art work was on stage and at the entrance, and the crowd loved all of the art. I also would also like to thank Ashara Stansfield for sending the JMDL banner; .it was prominently displayed at the entrance to the concert! The Skaneateles Arts Council's next event is our annual gala; we are presenting Sonya Kitchell (some JMDLers may recall that Sonya sang in the Music Cares Tribute to Joni in New York in 2006); to learn more, please visit: www.skaneateles.com. Thanks again to Les, Maria, Jack and Ashara for making the Joni tribute concert and reception a beautiful evening to celebrate the incredible artistry of Joni Mitchell! I can't wait for the "Shine" to arrive at Starbuck's! Warm Regards, Joe Joseph D. Strodel, Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:54:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: XM Cafe Joni Friends, Who would have thought, thirty years ago, that we would be paying for TV and radio but long distance on our phones would be so inexpensive? GM hooked me with a three month free subscription when I bought my new vehicle. I couldn't pay quick enough for my service after I learned that they play Joni on the XM Cafe channel (45). Now, I know I can attach my iPod and play all the Joni I want, or I could jam my 6 CD player with Joni music from four decades, but why, when I can be surprised by the randomness of The Tea Leaf Prophecy! What a way to end the weary day. Then the other bit of good news is that they are building a Starbucks right around the corner from my office (or so rumor says). Cool Joni news. For the record, place me in the catagory of 'grateful regardless of who Joni releases with' as far as the Starbucks and Hear music is concerned. I am thrilled that we again have new material to listen to, and will be counting down the days until September 25th. Suze n.p. 'Soulfully' Catie Curtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get all the Hottest Artists on Your Cell Phone - Plus 10 Bonus Tones Today! Find Your New Ringtone at Lycos Mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:58:41 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: A Case of You, now Joni the Troubador Sherelle wrote in part: What is the feminine word for troubador? Trobadress? I'm not sure. That's how I feel about the way she writes and sings her songs. She speaks of love in such a personal way. She speaks of love as poisnonous medicine ("Jealous lovin'll make you crazy...if you can't find your goodness cause you lost your heart...) and also as the sweetest of the sweet, (my take on the lyrics, "I could drink a case of you...darlin...and still be on my feet...still be on my feet...). Such wonderful extremes! It all makes love what it is....a wonder. *** Wow! You really are starting to think like a Francophile, asking if troubadour is masculine or feminine. In French it is masculine, but in English, like most nouns (I think), it is genderless (as in Joni's "genderless music"....) From Merriam Webster: Main Entry: trou7ba7dour Pronunciation: 'tr|-b&-"dor, -"dur Function: noun Etymology: French, from Old Occitan trobador, from trobar to compose, from Vulgar Latin *tropare, from Latin tropus trope 1 : one of a class of lyric poets and poet-musicians often of knightly rank who flourished from the 11th to the end of the 13th century chiefly in the south of France and the north of Italy and whose major theme was courtly love -- compare TROUVERE 2 : a singer especially of folk songs Oui, oui, Sherelle -- Joni is a troubadour! Among many other things, of course. And that thought brings this song to heart and mind (I took the liberty of changing a few masculine words to feminine in this case of Joni): She is now to be among you At the calling of your hearts Rest assured this troubador Is acting on her part. The union of your spirits, here, Has caused her to re-main For when-ever two or more of you Are gathered in her name There is Love. There is Love. ( Noel "Paul" Stookey ) - -- Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:38:46 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Tribute in Skaneateles, NY Thanks for the great write-up, Joe - I was wondering if there was going to be any posts about it. I'm surprised that Karen Oberlin didn't perform "Barangrill" since she's recorded it. While I'm sure the show and performers were excellent, the set list was certainly a disappointment. They covered the first 8 years of her career and ignored the following 25. Bob NP: Drive-By Truckers, "Puttin' People On The Moon" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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That's >how I feel about the way she writes and sings her songs. She speaks of love >in such a personal way. She speaks of love as poisnonous medicine ("Jealous >lovin'll make you crazy...if you can't find your goodness cause you lost >your heart...) and also as the sweetest of the sweet, (my take on the >lyrics, "I could drink a case of you...darlin...and still be on my >feet...still be on my feet...). Such wonderful extremes! It all makes love >what it is....a wonder. > > >*** > > >Wow! You really are starting to think like a Francophile, asking if >troubadour is masculine or feminine. In French it is masculine, but in >English, like most nouns (I think), it is genderless (as in Joni's >"genderless music"....) > >From Merriam Webster: > >Main Entry: trou7ba7dour >Pronunciation: 'tr|-b&-"dor, -"dur >Function: noun >Etymology: French, from Old Occitan trobador, from trobar to compose, from >Vulgar Latin *tropare, from Latin tropus trope > >1 : one of a class of lyric poets and poet-musicians often of knightly rank >who flourished from the 11th to the end of the 13th century chiefly in the >south of France and the north of Italy and whose major theme was courtly >love -- compare TROUVERE > >2 : a singer especially of folk songs > >Oui, oui, Sherelle -- Joni is a troubadour! Among many other things, of >course. > >And that thought brings this song to heart and mind (I took the liberty of >changing a few masculine words to feminine in this case of Joni): > >She is now to be among you >At the calling of your hearts >Rest assured this troubador >Is acting on her part. >The union of your spirits, here, >Has caused her to re-main >For when-ever two or more of you >Are gathered in her name > >There is Love. There is Love. ( Noel "Paul" Stookey ) > > >-- Patti P. > >_________________________________________________________________ >http://newlivehotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:30:10 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter I hear what you're saying, Owen. Some people are going to think 'Starbucks/faceless corporation/ick'. I don't think it will amount to a large percentage of the people who would've bought it, however. Anyway....we should have seen Joni's association with Starbucks coming years ago when she made that album. You know. "Brew". Thank you very much, I'll be here all week, RR From: "Owen Duff" > Hello all, > > Just had chance to catch up with this stuff, and I have been swayed by > some (not all) of the contributions here. A lot of my reaction is > certainly to do with how I think this makes Joni "look" to others . As I > said, a lot of people in my social circle will be turned off the CD by > the association with SB (because, rightly or wrongly, it has a bad image > among them) which is a real shame, as I'd love for those people to love > it. But whoever said that Joni feels she has a great piece work and sees > this as a good way to get lots of people to hear it made a good point, > and I can understand that. > > As for moral tone in my disappointment, my exact words were "makes her > look like a massive hypocrite", which is not the same as accusing her of > being one. Really, I can't criticise SB or Joni, because I don't and > never will have enough information about either. All I can do is react to > how it appears, I hope I didn't come across as doing anything more than > that. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:29:47 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: A case of.... Oops I forgot to cc the list; and I added Jean because she has been chiming in as well. On 7/30/07, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: Sherelle, I totally, or almost totally, agree with what you say about A Case of You. It's so well said. " Even though the love may be unrequited, she still feels it." "I could drink a case of you, and still I'd be on my feet" - it is such a strange line because it is ambiguous, and it seems that it strikes a slightly different chord with each person. I think of it as meaning that her love would still be on its feet, never mind how many ups and downs she'd have to go through with him. There is the bitter and nostalgic feeling that the relationship is over (I think of that painting on BSN where she is sitting in the bar with her cigarette below the No Smoking sign, it's that atmosphere), but there is also defiance, as Kevin says. But I think the defiance is about not giving in to petty hatred. When you break up with someone there is always a host of friends there to tell you that they guy was a waste of your time, not worth your while and a loser, and you'll find someone better. And sometimes it seems like it would be easier for both of you if you could think like that. But I think she is saying, no, we went through hell together, but at the end of the day, my love is intact. Or maybe 'I am still intact, because you have become part of me'. Something like that! She is refusing to let it be "just another show; and you leave them laughing when you go etc." and to "play it cool" Someone mentioned 'Love', I feel that these two songs are related. On the other hand, I think it is a different kind of love she sings about when she says 'We got drunk on alcohol, and on love, the strongest poison and medicine in the world'. Although the words are very strong, I think this really is more of a passing thing, love taken as a drug. At least it is a love that is in the past. Maybe the one in A Case of You will fade to indifference, but at least when she wrote the song I think she felt it would not. Passion and desire would go away, but not love. I'd like to think that her rendition of 'Love' confirms just that. But then as Kevin says there is ample room for other interpretations, it really is filled with mixed emotions. Whoa, that single line with all its ambiguity has struck a chord with many of us at just the right time, and made us stop and think. And in my case, join the jmdle! A case of love... Bene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:48:27 EDT From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: AMAZON Condones Cruel Behavior....Don't buy from them! I recently discovered that Amazon.com sells magazines and books that promote dog fighting and cock (Male Rooster) fighting. As you all may or may not know, this activity is not only extremely HEINOUS and disgusting, as well as brutal for the animals involved, but it is also illegal in all fifty states in the U.S. So, in effect, they are supporting some of the worst animal cruelty as well as illegal activity. This activity is a felony in all but one state. Also, Amazon.com sells foie gras. In case you aren't aware, foie gras is a product that is produced by shoving metal tubes down a goose or duck's throat several times a day and forcing it to eat immense amounts of food, until its liver becomes diseased and swells to up to ten times its normal size. Then the poor animal is slaughtered and the liver is taken out, combined with some other things and spread on toast as a "delicacy." Not only does Amazon.com sell the actual foie gras, but in addition, it sells books on the subject. I have used Amazon.com quite frequently over the past two years to buy things for myself as well as for my family members, but I cannot in good conscience do so anymore. I am urging each and every person I know to stop using Amazon.com, and to cancel their account with Amazon.com. Please make sure to let them know once you cancel your account, exactly why you are canceling it. This will make a much bigger impact, as it will let them know that what they are doing is effecting their profits directly. Thanks to you all for reading this email, and for those of you who do cancel your subscriptions, thank you in advance. Sincerely, Rick ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #229 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)