From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #227 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, July 29 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 227 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shine Sampler [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni and Righteous Babe [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter ["ron" ] Re: Joni and Righteous Babe ["Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" ] Re: Joni and Righteous Babe ["Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" ] Art and the Market ["Gordon MacKie" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #226 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Shine Sampler ["ron" ] RE: Shine Sampler ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Austin Texas Joni Night Will Taylor w/ Strings Attached [Bob Muller <] Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter [Rusty10113@aol.com] Shine (Sampler) [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Shine (Sampler) [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Shine [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Shine Sampler ["P Bear" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:13:05 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Shine Sampler That's very sweet of you, Patti. My French is a little rusty (not much call for it in Australia, unless I took a short trip to New Caledonia (Nouvelle Caledonie)). Not sure what I'd do in the United States except have fun. I'd have just as much chance to get work here but without the pieces of paper to prove to people that I'm brilliant, no dice. It's nice to know that there are people out there enjoying my work though. Merci pour vous. Mark en l'Australia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:15:03 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni and Righteous Babe Who does Righteous Babe Music distribute through in Australia? Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:14:52 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter hi my 2c worth of course joni is getting flak from the music biz. she has been railing against them for quite some time, & (probably due to press manipulation) it has been getting regular exposure. now she has put her money where her mouth is & gone elsewhere. shown that she is ready to act on her convictions in this aspect. my perception, based on a gut feel more than anything else, is that she has criticised the music biz more than other businesses. if she had gone back to them, i would be calling her a hypocrite. ron np - stevie ray vaughn & double trouble - give me back my wig ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:51:58 -0700 From: "Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" Subject: Re: Joni and Righteous Babe Hi Mark, all ~ I don't know if Ani's deals are exclusive, (though that is almost certainly the case), but I do know Righteous Babe CDs are distributed by Shock Records in Australia - distributor for Tom Waits, Sinead O'Connor, Mavis Staples, Cowboy Junkies, Dr. Dre, Josh Rouse, Bloc Party and many more. As far as I know, Ani's print music is published and distributed in Australia by All Music Publishing - which does the same for Aussie acts Missy Higgins, Silverchair, The Waifs and such international acts as Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton and younger folks such as Lily Allen. I've no idea which online retailers Righteous Babe uses - though, the obvious ones like iTunes, and eMusic, Rhapsody et al would be likely - the internet sales outlets are many. cheers, Ad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:54:43 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni and Righteous Babe Ah yes. I am very aware of Shock Records. Great label. I was in communication with them when I was creating a music section for a Canberra based gay newspaper. They even distribute for labels that already exist in Australia but won't put their backing into promoting unprofitable artists. They also specialise in music genres that don't sell well like, Gansta Rap and the undefinable genres. Ani Di Franco has a big following here but I have never bought one of her albums so I don't know her label. I wonder if they sell here with the Righteous Babe label on the disc or if it is redesigned with the Shock label. If Joni was distributed by Shock in Australia, she would still sell plenty I think. The trouble with selling through Starbucks is that I'm not sure how many countries they are open in. I'm not sure which other outlets Hear Music can be sold out of. We do have Borders here too but they are not as widespread as in the US. Starbucks might have to do a deal with Sanity Music or Hum Music to get them into more stores. Otherwise, it's online. I don't know how many Australians would but from Amazon because there is no Amazon Australia yet and I think people are reluctant to buy from the US Amazon because then you have to pay for postage, wait longer for it to arrive and convert the currency. Mail order can be risky. We do have, however, ebay.com.au Mark in Sydney On 28/07/2007, at 5:51 PM, Allison Crowe Music Mgmt wrote: > Hi Mark, all ~ I don't know if Ani's deals are exclusive, (though that > is almost certainly the case), but I do know Righteous Babe CDs are > distributed by Shock Records in Australia - distributor for Tom Waits, > Sinead O'Connor, Mavis Staples, Cowboy Junkies, Dr. Dre, Josh Rouse, > Bloc Party and many more. > > As far as I know, Ani's print music is published and distributed in > Australia by All Music Publishing - which does the same for Aussie acts > Missy Higgins, Silverchair, The Waifs and such international acts as > Bob > Dylan, Eric Clapton and younger folks such as Lily Allen. > > I've no idea which online retailers Righteous Babe uses - though, the > obvious ones like iTunes, and eMusic, Rhapsody et al would be likely - > the internet sales outlets are many. > > cheers, Ad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 02:19:08 -0700 From: "Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" Subject: Re: Joni and Righteous Babe I'm not certain, again, but I expect Shock distributes Righteous Babe with the RBR label on the disc in Australia. Here in Canada, the indie label I work with shares a physical distributor with Ani/RBR, and, from my vantage point, in terms of getting music "out there" effectively, making money, and maintaining artistic freedom and integrity on all levels, Righteous Babe is the epitome. RBR has achieved that complex balance very successfully. I know it's just a dream, a fantasy, even, still, knowing the artists, and the business side, in my view, a pairing of Joni and Ani in a label venture really would be a cosmic convergence. With Joni's stature, and Ani's network, I'd anticpate any album would attain maximum reach around the world. I wish Joni nothing but well in her current chosen partnership - and I can still dream of a day when the independent spirits unite. cheers, Ad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:44:27 +0100 From: "Gordon MacKie" Subject: Art and the Market Dear All The way I see it, we all have to make, to vartying degrees, ethical choices when entering the market place. The only way round it is to choose not to enter. Joni chose for a long time not to enter. She has made a choice which she believes is ok for her. If she can live with a multinational company trading in the world coffee markets ( plenty of literature to read on that one) as being more preferable to the 'cess pool'of the music market, just think how bad the latter must really be. I wonder what she thinks when people support the record business by buying their products. Ever bought a cd? Shame on you. ...er...oops, yes I have lots of em. Does that make me bad? Nah. Here is today's experiment. Next time you go food shopping, aks yourself as many questions as you can about the products you buy and see how ethical you can be. Its really hard...and it takes ages. I bet Joni took ages to get this far too. It's Dog eat dog, aint it flim flam man? Have fun y'all....I'm off to make an alternative stimulant drink with an equally dodgy ethical backgound....tea I mean! Pip pip Gorodn in SUNNY Glasgow. Could this be summer? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:44:19 +0100 From: "Gordon MacKie" Subject: Art and the Market Dear All The way I see it, we all have to make, to vartying degrees, ethical choices when entering the market place. The only way round it is to choose not to enter. Joni chose for a long time not to enter. She has made a choice which she believes is ok for her. If she can live with a multinational company trading in the world coffee markets ( plenty of literature to read on that one) as being more preferable to the 'cess pool'of the music market, just think how bad the latter must really be. I wonder what she thinks when people support the record business by buying their products. Ever bought a cd? Shame on you. ...er...oops, yes I have lots of em. Does that make me bad? Nah. Here is today's experiment. Next time you go food shopping, aks yourself as many questions as you can about the products you buy and see how ethical you can be. Its really hard...and it takes ages. I bet Joni took ages to get this far too. It's Dog eat dog, aint it flim flam man? Have fun y'all....I'm off to make an alternative stimulant drink with an equally dodgy ethical backgound....tea I mean! Pip pip Gorodn in SUNNY Glasgow. Could this be summer? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:49:24 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #226 In a message dated 07/28/2007 3:12:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: I guess what I'm saying is that right-minded people try to do the best they can. Congratulations on breaking the writer's block. I'm looking forward to hearing your newest songs. Amen x 2 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:19:43 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Shine Sampler hi mark wrote > It's nice to know that there are people out there enjoying my work though. or trying to. i havent yet been able to get the site to load. is there something i'm missing? ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:53:00 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Shine Sampler Hi Patti, I know you are saying "Sherelle dear student can you translate that please?" Eeeks! Can't get all of the words but I read, "Mark, thank you so much for your funny (gueules?) Marvelous! I am (abaisse devant?) your greatness! Oh dear teacher! Help me fill in the blanks!!! I love this language so much! I am laughing my butt off at your boss' comments! Ha! ha! I love them! I am fortunate to have a Starbucks right across the street from my apartment complex so I will make sure I get my copy of shine as well! Sorry I couldn't download the sampler. My computer is so old! Some things it will open and some things it will not for some reason. I hope for a new computer in the near future! Patti wrote: > >Mark, merci beaucoup pour les amuses gueules! Merveilleux! Je m'abaisse >devant votre grandeur! > >(Sherelle, chere etudiante, can you translate that, s'il vous plait?) > >I'm not very techy, but I downloaded them easy as pie. And enjoy them I >did! Thank you for the gift of your extra time. I tell you I'm very >hungry now for a completer fare! ; ) Can't wait until September 25th. >I've already asked for the day off. My boss wrote back: > >"I am sure that you will spend the day off waiting in line, having camped >there the night before, to buy the cd. It's great that all these "retired" >people are back on." (Not sure whom else she is referring to....) > >Between your artwork and now this, I think we can get you this special visa >status I learned about in a recent immigration workshop I had to attend. >The handout read: > >Extraordinary Ability (EB-1) (N) (No job offer necessary) > >a. Individual can self petition >b. Alien must prove that he/she will continue to work in the area of >expertise >c. Sustained national or international acclaim >d. Heavy documentation with many reference letters > >And in my hand-written notes, it says: "Einstein visa -- different and >unique" > >I'm sure Dave and I -- and you know there may be more --would write letters >for you! (Congrats on your great show, Dave!) > >Bon weekend, everyJonibody! > >Shining, > >Patti P. > > _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:55:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Austin Texas Joni Night Will Taylor w/ Strings Attached Thanks in advance, Mr. Happy The Man. I'm looking forward to hearing it - only wish I could have been there to dig it with you guys live. Bob NP: The Arcade Fire, "Intervention" - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:07:45 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me Thanks Jeannie! This is a good discussion! Much thanks to Christopher for his insider insights! They are valued opinions. After hearing them I do agree that this is a risky move for Joni but the only one she can make with the Music industry being in the state that it's in. To me, she's risking her reputation to do something different and innovative. Who knows? Maybe this is the new direction of record labels. The regular brick and mortar stores aren't working for sales. Maybe food and music will be the new way to go and will save the CD. I'm willing to bet on Joni. What I love most about the CD is the artwork as well as the liner notes. You can't get those digitally as much as I like digital music. Maybe we can find a way to make the CD more appealing again by giving the listener something special in this area when they purchase it. I'm looking at Joni's Turbulent Indigo CD cover and the art lover in me just can't stop looking at it. The industry can't compete with digital downloading just on the ear alone. It has to start appealing to the "eye" the way it used to back in the heyday of the album. When the music industry figures this out instead of trying to ringtone everyone, I believe it will save the CD. Joni to the rescue! Sherelle Jeannie wrote: > >Well Sherelle, I think your written thoughts say it all, for me! > > jeannie > > > wrote: > Hi Christopher, > >My question is this: with the volatile nature of the Music industry >right now, what else is she supposed to do? I'm not saying you are >suggesting that she take a different course. You are just not very hopeful >of the outcome of this arrangement. To me, with the way things are in the >industry, it's a kind of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" thing. CD >sales have plummeted with major labels so the CD itself is in ICU on life >support at the moment. Even though I love digital music, I do not wish to >see the CD go the way of the dinosaur. Major retail stores like Tower >records have already done that. There's something about holding a work of >art in your hands and "seeing" as well as "hearing" it in my opinion. I >wasn't aware that Paul McCartney received a bashing for going with "Hear >Music" but I'm not sure what other recourse or alternative either of them >had given the state of things. > >To me, the Starbucks option is one way of preserving the sale of CD's >existence. I am hoping that Joni will not become embittered over this but I >understand your concern. This is why I feel it so true to always make music >for yourself first and hold true to that. It's a great buffer against the >slings and arrows that may come your way. There is no way Joni's ever going >to find a middle ground and please everyone. Everyone has become so >poloarized especially in regards to the war. She's made her decision so I >hope that she will hold her head up high and be true to herself once more. >It's only a hope but I'm going to hang on to it nonetheless. > >Sherelle > _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Austin Texas Joni Night Will Taylor w/ Strings Attached And as a sidenote, if anyone wants to snag a copy of the shows, they can be ordered here: http://www.yourtexasmusic.com/Strings_Attached_Live_CD_p/sa-livecd.htm Bob NP: Elliot Smith, "Everything Means Nothing To Me" - --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:29:32 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Shine Hi all, thank you Bob, for the track list, and Mark for the samples! I am so looking forward to September 25! I have been reading the discussion on Starbuck and it made me feel - old and tired, sigh. Seems like we have been fighting these (losing) battles forever now. Starbuck isn't in Sweden (yet) so I haven't had to decide on whether or not to buy any coffee there but there are many similar companies and you would have to spend your whole day trying to avoid them. I do my best and shop at the coop mostly - they have so called fair trade products, but can I really rely on them? Don't know, am not sure. Like somebody said, as soon as you enter the market you have to find a way to cope with the way big corporations go about their business. Joni has made up her mind, I'm sure she has her reasons. What I'm not sure about is that you can call her a hypocrite for that - or can you not go on criticizing something that you are using or involved with ? Are we allowed to criticize our work conditions although we entered our contracts freely? Can we be critical of society although we live in it and support it by interacting with it? And so on. I'm just glad Joni found a way that suits her so we can all enjoy her music once more. By the way, some days ago my local paper reported "Mitchell does a McCartney" and wrote about her deal with Starbuck. So she is already getting publicity she normally wouldn't. Have a nice weekend! Marion in Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:11:11 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter As we know, Rosie O Donnell is abig Joni fan... this is from her blog Q & A today Do you see that Joni has a new cd coming out to starbucks? It looks great. i cant wait i hope she tours i hope i can open for her Can you imagine Rosie opening for Joni on the road? Id buy a ticket pronto! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:29:17 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Shine (Sampler) Here's another link for the Shine sampler just in case anyone else is having problems downloading the first one. http://arunaurl.com/k63 Mark in Sydney NP Steadfast - Brian Blade with Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Shine (Sampler) I really enjoyed this, Mark. I'm looking forward to the full, finished versions more than ever. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:08:16 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine In a message dated 7/28/2007 2:43:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marionleffler@telia.com writes: By the way, some days ago my local paper reported "Mitchell does a McCartney" and wrote about her deal with Starbuck. So she is already getting publicity she normally wouldn't. - -------------------------------- That she is! Just yesterday I told my brother, "Joni Mitchell is releasing a new album and signed on with Starbucks." He replied, "I know. It was on the aol news screen. I read all the news when I go online." Aol had it up and ready! - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:18:53 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter I'm sorry, I can't remember who mentioned it but someone was going on about their uneasiness about Joni and Starbucks because of Paul McCartney. He/she said (like I said I don't remember who said it) that Paul McCartney is a joke among his/her friends or peers or whatever. I don't think that is necessarily because of his decision to go with Starbucks. McCartney was a joke to some even before that. There are those who feel the majority of his solo career is a bunch of mush and didn't respect him anyway long before the whole Starbucks deal. I don't think we need to worry about that with Joni. There are those who are fans of hers and then there are those who just don't like her. I wouldn't say she's ever been a joke or ever could be. Her music stands strong and people who don't like her don't see her as a joke but just never got into her for whatever reason. My brother, after reading the Starbucks story on aol news, told me there are comments on the bottom of the news page. He said the majority of them are usually positive for whatever story and of course there's always that one "asshole" as he said. He said the Starbucks one was the same thing. Most people were excited by this but one person commented something like, "I'd need a lot of espressos before I could listen to Joni Mitchell." - -Monika, not a fan of espressos but indeed a fan of Joni's ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:47:38 +1000 From: "P Bear" Subject: Re: Shine Sampler Much Thanks Mark for the Shine Sampler ! What did I think - Ah ! There's that voice smooth as ever ! Of course a much maturer texture ! Yes , it is a folk jazz album . Are there more tracks ? Personally I would like to see Joni and Band go Full Jazz ! Folk Diva ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ New jobsjobsjobs.com.au. Find thousands of jobs online now! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #227 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)